A US Marine Corps veteran and author asserts that Israel masterminded the 9/11 attacks, saying if Americans were informed of this, they would exterminate the Zionist regime.
“I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period,” Alan Sabrosky, writer and consultant specializing in national and international security affairs, said in a clip appearing on the public video-sharing website You Tube.
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“It is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation.” — Dr Alan Sabrosky, former Director of Studies at the US Army War College.
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Sabrosky said his colleagues who are still serving in uniform initially react with incredulity to his assertions but upon his explanations regarding the controlled demolition of the buildings their disbelief gives way to rage.
“First is disbelief, and what I show them immediately afterwards is an interview with a Danish demolitions expert named Danny Jowenko, and it shows the third building at the World Trade Center going down – WTC7.”
“The thing that’s necessary is to tell people:
(1) THREE buildings went down.
(2) The third was NOT hit by a plane, it was wired for controlled demolition.
(3) Therefore, ALL of them were wired for controlled demolition.
And at that point the reaction is rage. First disbelief, and then rage,” he added.
Sabrosky said if the Americans were apprised of the truth behind the attacks, they would not hesitate to eliminate Israel without any consideration for the costs involved.
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“If Americans ever know that Israel did this, they are going to scrub them off the earth,” he said.
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On September 11, 2001, a series of coordinated attacks were carried out in the United States, reportedly leaving nearly 3,000 people dead.
The US government claimed that 19 terrorists, allegedly affiliated with the shadowy, Afghanistan-based al-Qaeda group, had hijacked four commercial passenger jet airliners to carry out the attacks.
The official US account of the September 11 events has, however, been widely challenged by various quarters in the US and worldwide.
The US, under the administration of former President Bush, invaded Afghanistan in 2001 after claiming that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the members of al-Qaeda harbored by the then Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
The US also attacked Iraq in 2003, insisting that the oil-rich country was in possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
In his September 22, 2011 address to the UN General Assembly, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for an independent international probe into the 9/11 incident, saying the attacks provided the US with a convenient excuse to wage wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
“The Zionists are playing this as truly an all-or-nothing exercise, because if they lose this one, if the American people ever realize what happened, they’re done,” Sabrosky concluded.
See Video here
Part 2: IRAN NOW BEING ACCUSED OF DOING 9/11 BY SAME ZIONISTS WHO DID 9/11!
The latest US allegation against Iran, accusing Iran of being involved in the 9/11 incident, is utterly “preposterous,” a respected political analyst tells Press TV.
James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for the 9/11 Truth, questioned the legality of a Thursday ruling by a US federal judge in Manhattan, alleging Iran’s involvement in the terrorist attacks. He described the judicial ruling as “quite preposterous.”
In an extraordinary move, the court also withdrew Saudi Arabia from the ten-year-old case, even though 15 of the 19 September 11 attackers were Saudi nationals.
Fetzer pointed to multiple investigations on the 9/11 incident by independent journalists, including Alan Sabrosky, Christopher Bolyn, Wayne Madsen, as well as other websites exclusively devoted to probe into the issue, insisting all those researches have revealed that “Israel, the MOSSAD, have played a key role in 9/11.”
The political analyst also made reference to the proposal by Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad during his address to the UN General Assembly, calling for an independent international probe into the 9/11 incident.
In his September 22 speech, Ahmadinejad said the US government has been involved in the 9/11 attacks or has allowed them to happen to find an excuse to wage wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Fetzer referred to Washington’s massive media campaign to put the blame of 9/11 on al-Qaeda in the wake of Ahmadinejad’s proposal, and questioned, “So who was it — Iran or al-Qaeda?”
On September 11, 2001, a series of coordinated attacks were carried out in the United States, reportedly leaving nearly 3,000 people dead.
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Who did 9/11 — IRAN or AL-Qaeda?
Or was it ISRAEL?
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The US government claimed that 19 terrorists, allegedly affiliated with the shadowy, Afghanistan-based al-Qaeda group, had hijacked four commercial passenger jet airliners to carry out the attacks.
The official US account of the September 11 events has, however, been widely challenged by various quarters in the US and worldwide.
The US, under the administration of former President Bush, invaded Afghanistan in 2001 after claiming that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the members of al-Qaeda harbored by the then Taliban regime in Afghanistan.
The US then attacked Iraq in 2003, insisting that the oil-rich country was in possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD).
This turned out to be the first Big Lie of the 21st century.
See VIDEO here.
Part 3: INTERVIEW BETWEEN MARK GLENN and DR ALAN SABROSKY (2010). EDITED AND ABBREVIATED BY LASHA DARKMOON.
MARK GLENN: Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.
Now, not only that – Dr. Sabrosky correct me if I’m wrong here – not only are you a graduate of the US Army War College, but you were a director of studies there for some period of time – is that correct?
Dr ALAN SABROSKY: That’s correct. For five-and-a-half years.
MARK GLENN (MG): Dr. Sabrosky, I cannot think of an article that I have read in recent memory that basically sums up the problem that we are dealing with right now as accurately and as succinctly as this essay that you have written.
You have, for all intents and purposes, nailed this thing on the head.
I guess the reason why I got so excited over this article, Dr. Sabrosky, is because one of things that I have noted about the problem that we’re dealing with – in terms of Zionism, the power of the Jewish lobby, and what-not – is that everything is shrouded in some type of confusion or mystery, and I think deliberately so. I think one of the biggest components to this powerful foreign interest being able to get as far as it has.
I mean, let’s face it: it got away with attacking a United States ship for close to two hours killing 34 men – this was an act of war, they got away with it.
Not only did they get away with it, they were rewarded with three-billion dollars a year minimum.
When we look at the two wars that the United States finds herself in, and on the cusp of at least two others, and all of this for the benefit of a certain foreign country sitting on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean Sea – they have been wildly successful at bringing all of this about and I think one of the main components of this is the fact that very few people really understand the nature of the problem – and I think that your article here basically lays out the problem, which is that when you have people that try to make this claim that they are loyal to America and, at the same time, loyal to a foreign government, it is a lie.
ALAN SABROSKY (AS): It is, and it’s more than that, Mark. What we need to stand up and say is that not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it.
I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.
9/11 has led directly to 60,000 Americans dead and wounded, God knows how many hundreds of thousands of people in other countries that we’ve killed or wounded or made homeless, and it’s an on-going sore. It’s not your sore from the USS Liberty, it’s not my sore from Vietnam. Both of us have those, both of us care about. But this is an open wound.
And what Americans need to understand is that they did it. They did it. And if they do understand that, Israel’s going to disappear. Israel will flat-ass disappear from this Earth.
I sent a film to one of my colleagues and it basically had Americans grieving over their dead coming back. And I showed one of them — it was a woman — just wrenched by grief over her dead soldier. And I said, you know, if Americans ever know that Israel did this, they’re going to scrub them off the Earth, and they’re not going to give a rat’s ass — forgive my language — what the cost is.
Phil Tourney: Your article needs to be shipped off to the library of congress immediately.
AS: Well, I can tell you it’s being read by some people in Headquarters Marine Corps and at the Army War College. I sent it off to them this past week and I’ve had some long discussions with people up there, and there’s some really, really unhappy people.
MG: What are they saying, Dr. Sabrosky?
AS: Astonishment. The first thing, Mark, is astonishment. They didn’t know. They truly didn’t know. And these are not unintelligent people. They really didn’t know.
And the next statement is rage. Real rage. And the Zionists are playing this as truly an all-or-nothing exercise, because if they lose this one, if the American people ever realize what happened, they’re done.
And if this explodes, I’m going to go down with the rest of them [as a Jew myself]. And I know this. I flat-out know this. But if that was the price for making America whole again….But if that’s the price, then that’s the price I’ll pay. I mean that.
Phil Tourney: You struck me very, very hard just a second ago when you talked about 911. You’re very willing to say that, yeah, they did it: 911. Yes, they did. And, you know, my heart broke.
MG: Just for the record, Dr. Sabrosky, it was about three years ago…and I made a prediction on the air….Someday, maybe a lot sooner than any of us realize, the United States is going to find herself at war with Israel. And I mean a real, live shooting war.
Now, technically speaking, we ARE at war with Israel because she is at war with us. She is out to destroy us. We just haven’t figured that out yet.
My personal prediction is that probably – again, sooner than any of us realize or would like to envision – Israel is going pull off another 9-11. She’s going to pull of another USS Liberty. Obviously, some pretty powerful people in some pretty prominent places, such as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen, believe this is a possibility because he cut short a trip he made to Europe a few years ago to hastily fly to Israel to meet with his counterpart and warn him in no uncertain terms how important it was that there not be another USS Liberty part two.
I think that Israel has been watching all of this and has been saying, “We need to kind of let things cool a little bit for now — if we try to pull another one off right now, then that’s it: we’re going to blow our cover.”
LIE #1
Israel was created by European guilt over the Nazi Holocaust. Why should Palestinians pay the price?
Three thousand years before the Holocaust, before there was a Roman Empire, Israel’s kings and prophets walked the streets of Jerusalem. The whole world knows that Isaiah did not speak his prophesies from Portugal, nor Jeremiah his lamentations from France. Revered by its people, Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures 600 times – but not once in the Koran. Throughout its 2,000-year exile there was continuous Jewish presence in the Holy Land, with the modern rebirth of Israel beginning in the 1800s. Reclamation of the largely vacant land by pioneering Zionists blossomed into a Jewish majority long before the onset of Nazism.
After the Holocaust, nearly 200,000 Shoah survivors found haven in the Jewish State, created by a two-thirds vote of the UN in 1947. Soon 800,000 Jews fleeing persecution in Arab countries arrived. In ensuing decades, Israel absorbed a million immigrants from the Soviet Union and thousands of Ethiopian Jews. Today, far from being a vestige of European guilt or colonialism, Israel is a diverse, cosmopolitan society, fulfilling the age-old dream of a people’s journey and ‘Return to Zion’- their ancient homeland.
LIE #2
Had Israel withdrawn to its June 1967 borders, peace would have come long ago.
Since 1967, Israel has repeatedly conceded, “land for peace.” Following Egyptian President Sadat’s historic 1977 visit to Jerusalem and the Camp David Peace Accords, Israel withdrew from the vast Sinai Peninsula and has been at peace with Egypt ever since.
In 1995, Jordan signed a peace treaty with Israel but neither the Palestinians nor 21 other Arab states have done so. In 1993, Israel signed the Oslo Accords ceding administrative control of the West Bank to the Palestinian Authority(formerly the PLO). The PA never fulfilled its promise to end propaganda attacks and drop the Palestinian National Charter’s call for Israel’s destruction.
In 2000, Prime Minister Barak offered Yasser Arafat full sovereignty over 97% of the West Bank, a corridor to Gaza, and a capitol in the Arab section of Jerusalem. Arafat said NO. In 2008, PA President Abbas nixed virtually the same offer from Prime Minister Olmert. In 2005, Prime Minister Sharon unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. Taken over by terrorist Hamas, they turned dismantled Jewish communities into launching sites for suicide bombers and 8,000+ rockets into Israel proper. In 2010, Prime Minister Netanyahu renewed offers of unconditional negotiations leading to a Palestinian State, but Palestinians refused, demanding more unilateral Israeli concessions, including a total freeze of all Israeli construction in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
LIE #3
Israel is the main stumbling block to achieving a Two-State solution.
The Palestinians themselves are the only stumbling block to achieving a Two-State solution. With whom should Israel negotiate? With President Abbas, who, for four years, has been barred by Hamas from visiting 1.5 million constituents in Gaza? With his Palestinian Authority, which continues to glorify terrorists and preaches hate in its educational system and the media? With Hamas, whose Iranianbacked leaders deny the Holocaust and use fanatical Jihadist rhetoric to call for Israel’s destruction?
Today, it is a simple fact that while the State of Israel is prepared to recognize all Arab States, secular or Muslim, these states adamantly refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish State and demand “the right of return” of five million so-called Palestinian “refugees” – a sure guarantee for Israel’s demise.
LIE#4
Nuclear Israel not Iran is the greatest threat to peace and stability.
Though never acknowledged by Jerusalem, it is generally assumed that Israel has nuclear weapons. But unlike Pakistan, India, and North Korea, Israel never conducted nuclear tests. In 1973, when its very survival was imperiled by the surprise Egyptian-Syrian Yom Kippur attack, many assumed Israel would use nuclear weapons–but it did not. Contrary to public condemnations, many Arab leaders privately express relief that Israeli nuclear deterrence exists. While Israel has never threatened anyone, Tehran’s mullahs daily threaten to “wipe Israel from the map.” The U.S. and Europe can afford to wait to see what the Iranian regime does with its nuclear ambitions. But Israel cannot. She is on the front lines and remembers every day the price the Jewish people paid for not taking Hitler at his word. Israel is not prepared to sacrifice another six million Jews on the altar of the world’s indifference.
LIE #5
Israel is an Apartheid State deserving of International Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaigns.
On both sides of the Atlantic, church groups, academics and unions are leading deceitful and often anti-Semitic boycott campaigns demonizing what they call the Jewish “apartheid” State.
The truth is that unlike apartheid South Africa, Israel is a democratic state. Its 20% Arab minority enjoys all the political, economic and religious rights and freedoms of citizenship, including electing members of their choice to the Knesset (Parliament). Israeli Arabs and Palestinians have standing before Israel’s Supreme Court. In contrast, no Jew may own property in Jordan, no Christian or Jew can visit Islam’s holiest sites in Saudi Arabia.
LIE #6
Plans to build 1,600 more homes in East Jerusalem prove Israel is ‘Judaizing’ the Holy City.
Enemies of Israel, exploit this phony issue. Jerusalem is holy to three great faiths. Its diverse population includes a Jewish majority with Muslim and Christian minorities. Since 1967, for the first time in history, there is full freedom of religion for all faiths in Jerusalem. Muslim and Christian religious bodies administer their own holy sites. Indeed, the Waqf is allowed to control Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, even though it rests on Solomon’s temple and is holy to BOTH Jews and Muslims.
Meanwhile, Jerusalem’s municipality must meet the needs of a growing modern city. The unfortunately-timed announcement during U.S. Vice President Biden’s visit of 1600 new apartments in Ramat Shlomo, was not about Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, but for a long established, heavily populated Jewish neighborhood in Northern Jerusalem, where 250,000 Jews live (about the same population as Newark, N.J.) — an area that will never be relinquished by Israel.
LIE #7
Israeli policies endanger U.S. troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The charge that Israel endangers U.S. troops in Iraq or the AF-Pak region is an update of the old “stab in the back” lie that Jews always betray their own friends, and the libel spouted by Henry Ford and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that “Jews are the father of all wars.”
U.S. General Petraeus has stated he considers Israel a great strategic asset for the U.S. and that his earlier remarks linking the safety of U.S. troops in the region to an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal (which 2/3 of Israelis want) were taken out of context. A resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict would benefit everyone, including the U.S. But an imposed return to what Abba Eban called “1967 Auschwitz borders” would endanger Israel’s survival and ultimately be disastrous for American interests and credibility in the world.
LIE #8
Israeli policies are the cause of worldwide anti-Semitism.
From the Inquisition to the pogroms, to the 6,000,000 Jews murdered by the Nazis, history proves that Jew-hatred existed on a global scale before the creation of the State of Israel. In 2010, it would still exist even if Israel had never been created. For example, one poll indicates 40% of Europeans blame the recent global economic crisis on “Jews having too much economic power,” a canard that has nothing to do with Israel.
The unsettled Palestinian-Israeli dispute aggravates Muslim-Jewish tensions, but it is not the root cause. During World War II, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a notorious Jewhater, helped the Nazis organize the 13th SS Division, made up of Muslims. Unfortunately, in addition to respectful references to Jewish patriarchs and prophets, the Koran also contains virulent anti-Semitic stereotypes that are widely invoked by Islamist extremists, including Hezbollah (whose agents blew up the Jewish Community Center in Buenos Aires in 1994), to justify murdering Jews worldwide. The disappearance of Israel would only further embolden violent Jew-haters everywhere.
LIE #9
Israel, not Hamas, is responsible for the “humanitarian catastrophe” in Gaza. Goldstone was right when he charged that Israel was guilty of war crimes against civilians.
The Goldstone Report on Israel’s defensive war against Hamas-controlled Gaza, from which 8,000 rockets were fired after Israel’s unilateral withdrawal in 2005, is a biased product of the UN’s misnamed Human Rights Council. The UNHRC is obsessed with false anti-Israel resolutions. It refuses to address grievous human rights abuses in Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Cuba and beyond.
Faced with similar attacks, every UN member-state including the U.S. and Canada would surely have acted more aggressively than the IDF did in Gaza.
Yet, Richard Goldstone, a South African Jewish jurist, signed a document prepared by investigators whose main qualification was rabid anti-Israel bias. He accepted every anonymous libel against the IDF. But he insisted that hearings in Gaza be televised, guaranteeing that fearful Palestinians would never testify about Hamas’ use of civilians as human shields and their hiding of weapons in mosques and hospitals. Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz denounced Goldstone’s Report as a modern “blood libel” accusing Israeli soldiers of crimes they never committed.
LIE #10
The only hope for peace is a single, bi-national state, eliminating the Jewish State of Israel.
The One-State solution, promoted by academics, is a non-starter because it would eliminate the Jewish homeland. However, the current pressures on Israel are equally dangerous. In effect, the world is demanding that Israel, the size of New Jersey, shrink further by accepting a Three-State solution: a PA state on the West Bank and a Hamas terrorist state controlling 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza. All this, as Hezbollah, Iran’s proxy in Lebanon, stockpiles 50,000 rockets, threatening northern and central Israel’s main population centers.
In 2010, most Middle East experts believe that the only hope for enduring peace is two states with defined final borders. But too many diplomats, pundits, academics and church leaders ignore the fact that current polls show that while most Israelis favor a Two-State solution, most Palestinians continue to oppose it.
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=5958687
This is rubbish and Israeli propaganda.
Smith is nothing more than a mouth-piece for Israeli Foreign Ministary.
He is a paid foot soldier whose job is to infltrate websites that are critical
of IsraHell and spew Israeli propganda and talking points. In other word,
distract readers from the real issues: Israeli occupation and its war crime against
humanity. The illegal and inhumane siege of 1.7 million Palestinians in Gaza, Adminsitrative
Detention Act. Kiddnapping at checkpoints and midnight raid. Lets not forget the targeted assassination. All of which are war crime and collective punishement by Israeli against the native inhimbants of Palestine. This Smithy dude is posting from an overseas location as indicated by time on his comment. Thanks for the earlier alert by one of our Guardian Angel here.
To copy, cut, and paste is not a real and and meaningful debate.
You are simply reguragating israeli hasabra and spitting it here.
Time to get the face mask, it starts to stink from all of your litter, Smity.
Apparently, Israelis not only can’t use any force to defend themselves; they can’t respond in writing either, and those defending them must be 100% original. Most of my comments here are written by me, Mahmoud, and your hateful friends have posted plenty of c&p links and material, so please spare us the hypocrisy. If you’re unhappy with something I took from somewhere else (and fully credited with a link or other source ID), address it, not me personally, since I made it very clear that I didn’t write it.
You forget one thing, Albury.
This site gives you total freedom of speech to put your pro-Zionist viewpoint here and to back the Jews to the hilt no matter what atrocities they commit. Your comments, though they are totally repulsive to every single poster here, HAVE NOT BEEN BLOCKED.
Why is that the Zionist sites where you ideologically belong allow no such freedom of speech to the posters on THIS site? To people like Lobro, Berenice, Sardonicus, Kapoore, Rehmat and Mahmoud El-Yousseph? Why are they invariably BLOCKED on Zionist sites by your free-speech-loving Jews?
You see, Albury, that’s the difference between Zionist sites and anti-zionist sites like this one. We publish your views. You refuse to publish ours. We give you absolute freedom of speech here. In return, you give us none.
Why is that?
Are you so afraid of exposing your Zionist readers to a contrary viewpoint?
Will their universe collapse if they discover the truth about the Holocaust and 9/11?
Why should anyone’s comments be blocked in any honest discussion, MONTECRISTO? I could hardly forget that mine haven’t been on here, given how often it happens on other 9/11 “truth movement” sites.
I think you’ll find substantial Jewish representation in the ACLU and other organizations that staunchly defend free speech, even if it’s from Holocaust deniers and other hatemongers of any stripe. Try committing “blasphemy” in Pakistan and some other Islamic countries and see where it gets you. Theo Van Gogh, Salman Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Danish cartoonists, and many others have found out, even if they were in Western countries.
I don’t think you understand the point I am making. I am saying that you are given the privilege of free speech on this site and your comments are NOT blocked here. I could block them if I wished and give as my excuse that your comments constitute HATE SPEECH. I don’t do this, even though most of my posters regard your comments as utterly hateful.
You understand what I am saying?
In contrast, I am saying, my posters here are NOT allowed to post their comments on Zionist sites. They are NOT allowed to cast doubts on the official version of 9/11 or to question that 6 million Jews died in gas oven on the orders of Hitler. However polite and mild their language, they are NOT allowed to put their case. They are BLOCKED. SILENCED. Even if they criticize some new atrocity committed by Israel, their comments are BLOCKED.
Why? I’ll tell you why. Because the Jews who run those sites have decided in advance that anyone who annoys them with a contrary opinion is indulging in HATE SPEECH.
Do you honestly wish to assert that someone who questions the 6 millon figure is “hate mongering”? That he should be blocked and silenced for “hate speech”?
Is it “hate speech” to say that Israel should stop stealing Palestinian land?
I somehow doubt you will seriously address any of these questions, and I can well understand why most of my posters are getting thoroughly pissed off with you.
You are abusing the hospitality of this site. Understand that. And yet we put up with you.
The reason the Jews block us on their sites has nothing to do with hate speech and all to do with fear. They fear the Truth. At all costs, the Truth must be silenced.
I’ve never questioned your right to speak, and certainly not your right to exist. Many Jews will go to extremes to defend your rights, so I don’t know where you got the idea that you’re being silenced.
I’m blocked and permanently banned on numerous 9/11 “truth movement” sites, simply for questioning some of the assertions made. I was quickly banned at the Loose Change “forum” for asking someone why 12 different insurance companies, at least 4 of which are foreign-based, all paid Larry Silverstein a total of ~$4.68 BILLION if he publicly admitted to blowing up WTC 7. The moderator proudly announced to everyone that my question wasn’t “sincere enough,” and that he had no alternative but to ban me. Do you know a more sincere way to ask that question? This 9/11 “researcher” also banned me from posting on his dog-and-pony show:
http://letsrollforums.com/major-9-11-truth-t20779.html
It’s very unusual for me to be allowed to comment on any web site that’s run by the 9/11 “truth movement.”
b greatfull u r aloud to post hear then, idgit!
i wish u wassint a jew mister coz u make me feel so darn ashaymed 2 b jewish. u r makin every 1 angrie hear and so they will also hayt ME coz i’m jewish.
sory about my spelin mister but i’m onely 14 and i’m dislecksick.
@ jessel meyer
Shut up, Jessel. You are bringing shame on our race by your bad spelling and low IQ comments. Take a hike, will ya.
Mr Albury,
I’d like to meet you for coffee and bagels if you happen to be living anywhere near Fifth Avenue. I know just the place. Very romantic. Let me know if you are interested in extending your horizons.
I don’t get to NYC very often, Ruth. It’s a ~2-hour schlep from Philly.
AIPAC bombshell……
The Democratic primary for four-term Islamophobe Jewish incumbent Joseph Isadore (Joe) Lieberman’s open Connecticut seat got interesting on Thursday night. Lee Whitnum, a former software engineer, writer, author and politician from Greenwich, Connecticut, who reminds Jewish lobby groups of former Rep. Cynthia McKinney, called one of her four opponents, Rep. Chris Murphy, “whore” for Murphy’s blind support for Israel Lobby (AIPAC)……
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/senate-hopeful-calls-opponent-israeli-whore/
It’s still April 8th here in the U.S. and Albury is already living April 9th, so he isn’t in the U.S. I doubt Mr. Smith is American and probably doesn’t know or care that much about 9 11, other than it irritates him when Israel is blamed. He probably doesn’t pay taxes that fight wars for Israel, nor has he probably had the experience of having his government bought out by AIPAC. He might not have access to Holocaust Revisionist sites since that might be illegal in the country where he lives, consequently, he basically hasn’t a clue about the revisionist arguments. Mr Smith sounds like he gets all his information from DEBKA (a Mossad internet site), or maybe he is the one writing for DEBKA (who knows). Notice how tidy Mr Smith’s reasons are–devoid of the blood and guts of war, devoid of depleted uranium, devoid of exploded body parts, and blood streaked faces of the innocent. He is one of the collateral damage guys, and ‘we made the desert bloom’ guys. He exudes that squeaky clean aura of a new suburb (Westbank settlement). He’s slickster salesman for everything Zionist? Agnostic /Christian background…well, anything is possible. Or maybe he isn’t human, but some kind of packaged program like an automated call in service.
If Albury Smith’s logic is to be followed then there should be an Eastward Ho for the Europeans who colonized North America, otherwise it is an argument by occupation.
If the rules of Israel claim to be the legitimate successors of the ancient rulers of Israel then the blood of Jesus is on their hands. If exhortations of Isiah are valid for modern Zionists today as they were over 2000 years ago then so is the New Testament valid for Christians to demand punishment for the blood for Christ in eternal damnation of Zionists who return to Palestine.
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on the cross.” Acts 5:30.
The Jews exodus from Arab lands was the result of reaction to the formation of a Colonial-settler state at the tail end of European colonialism. In fact it was driven in many cases by acts of terror fomented by Israeli secret service.
Zionist argument was heard in Europe and then in America becasue of a climate where European occupation was considered a norm. Zionists have over time adopted partial and quasi and false Jews to increase their numbers and indoctrinate them, specifically those who wanted to leave the Soviet Union for life in the West.
video: Professor Tony Martin on “Tactics of Organized Jewry in Suppressing Free Speech”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zejF_AMt6g&feature=player_embedded
linking to simon wiesenthal center, what more do you want?
obey noahide law, crawl abjectly towards synagogue of satan, chains clinking, delivering children and freshly harvested organs to priests of moloch.
i tell you, he is not only a jew but a real deal talmudist, ruth, yacob and jessel are budgies by comparison.
i can now hear it in every word, reptilian coiling around the thread to choke the life out of it.
just ignore him and continue conversation with each other, since the editorial policy does not include embargo.
i tell you, he is not only a jew but a real deal talmudist, ruth, yacob and jessel are budgies by comparison.
hey, just 2 wotch it! i aint no budgie! i’m danjerouus! Sory about my spelin lobro, but i’m onely 14 and i’m dislecksick.
k, li’l miss danjeroos, i mispelt 2, i ment buddy, not budgie
I asked this question before, and I am asking again:
Is there an editorial policy about minors posting here?
Well, yes. We take the view that minors with spelling problems are bound to improve their spelling by using this website. Banning them would be a breach of their human rights to a good education!
A few days before Passover, the Israeli ambassador got up to speak at the UN. “Ladies and gentlemen,” he said. “I have much to say, but before I begin, let me tell you an old Passover story, as the holiday is almost upon us: When Moses was leading the Jews out of Egypt, he had to cross the near endless Sinai desert. The Israelites were so thirsty they could hardly go on, so Moses struck the side of a mountain with his staff and a pond appeared with crystal-clear water. Now the people rejoiced and drank to their hearts’ content, but Moses wished to cleanse his entire body, so he
went over to the other side of the pond, took off his clothes and dived in. Only when he came out did he discover his clothes had been stolen, and I have good reason to believe that the Palestinians stole Moses’ clothes.”
At this point, the Palestinian delegate jumped out of his chair and screamed. “You lying fool! Everyone knows there were no Palestinians at that time!”
“Exactly,” said the Israel Ambassador. “And with that, let me begin my speech.”
(not written by me)
A man is taking a walk in Central park in New York.
Suddenly he sees a little girl being attacked by a pit bull. He runs
over and starts fighting with the dog.
He succeeds in killing the dog and saving the girl’s life.
A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: “You are a
hero, tomorrow you can read it in all the newspapers:
“Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl”
The man says: – “But I am not a New Yorker!”
“Oh then it will say in newspapers in the morning:
“Brave American saves life of little girl’” – the policeman answers.
“But I am not an American!” – says the man. “Oh, what are you then?”
The man says: – “I am a Palestinian!” The next day the newspapers says:
“Islamic extremist kills American dog. Connections to terrorist networks
are being explored”
Some one send me this years back. Even if it was not a joke, it does reflect the sad sick mind set of people like Albury Smith, who goes through pain to distort reality.
Despite your distorted sense of reality, Mahmoud, Jews have been in what’s now Israel far longer than “Palestinians,” and have a legitimate right to a small fraction of Middle East real estate. If you fear progress, avoid the many scientific and other contributions from a Jewish population that’s <14 million worldwide, but don't worry too much about being converted; they care much less about changing your beliefs than you do about killing or enlightening them.
You sound like a broken records. Jews were alway minority in Paletine.
They consititue less than 2% and owned less than 6% of the land prior to 1948.
All Israeli leader were foreign born. Even the current Israeli P.M. is from your home town
of Philly. If you are indded from there. Helen Thomas was right! I agree with her 110%. To solve the problem,
, these Jews have to go to where they came from, and return what they stole from the Palestinian
in the first place. You can bark like a dog unitl infiniti, no one is going to belive you and you will not
change the fact in the ground.
Yes, Israel wants piece, a piece of every Arab land.
You may remember the story of King Soloman, where a woman made a false claim to another woman’s child.
With his wisdom, king Solomon, said, he will split the child in half to satify both woman. So,
what did the real woman said in response the King Solomon proposa? Please don’t, let her have my child.
King Solomon knew then who is the real mother. He then ruled in her favor.
And fyi, Palestinian are not treated equally under Israeli law. They are treated as a second class citizens. They are threathened harrassed all the time. They are not permitted to go worship freely. Christians included. Christmass tree is bannned in the squar of Betlehm. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are gaged like animals.
Can’t leave or get back in without Israee proir consent. The men are killed daily, so are children. If not they are jailed without charges or trail. Just bogus reason. Such as security reason or terrorism. Homes are confiscated daily and whole family are put on street. In addition illegal Jewish settlers attack Palestinian daily, by uprooting their trees and crops, harrasing children in the way to school or back home, and burning their place of worship to the ground.
You sound like broken record.
You sound like a one-trick pony, Mahmoud; if there’s something you’re unhappy about, the Jews did it.
Once mentioned but never again
King Merneptah Stele – 1208 BC
The only time Israel was mentioned in the ancient Egyptian texts, the most meticulous and coherent of the world’s ancient civilizations and which covered the chronicles of nearly 3000 years, was in Merneptah Stele, a black granite slab engraved with a description of the victories of king Merneptah- son of the great Ramses II- in a military campaign against the Meshwesh Libyans and their Sea People allies, but its final two lines, line 26 & 27, refer to a prior military campaign in Canaan in the Near East.
The stele which dates to about 1208 BC was discovered by renowned British archaeologist Flinders Petrie at Thebes in 1896.
The Inscription contains a hymn and a list of the Pharaoh’s military victories. A tribe, whom Merenptah had victoriously smitten”I.si.ri.ar?”Or as Petrie quickly suggested that it read: “Israel!” is on the list of conquests. The mention of Israel is very short; it simply says, “Israel is laid waste, its seed is no more.”
(IT’S SEED IS NO MORE.) Do you UNDERSTAND??? The rag pickers are no more/gone/byby.”Only they who call themself jews and ARE NOT”.Identity theft is not new,asshole.
@ Albury Smith, since you claim to be a patritica American and an expert, I have two questions for you.
This has been bugging me for a long time. Some how it does tie in to the title of this post.
1- Why is Israel the only country in the world that can not be sued for war crimes in US court of law?
2- How come Jewish American can serve in IOF or hold public office in Isreal whithout losting their citizenship?
ho-ho-ho-the-plague-of-locusts and other stories from kabbala crypt.
love those 100% “all wows” true stories, the wisdom, wit and warmth of the chosen geniuses who by strength of khazar intelligence always outwit the goy neanderthals, nuclear tipped david versus jawbone wielding terrorist goliath.
and pray tell the other one, how two jews invented copper wire by fighting over a penny.
dumb amalek would never have dreamed of it, right?
so long as these are related in good, cooperative spirit of camaraderie, absent malice and racism …
All religions are loaded with preposterous claims, lobro, not just Judaism. Immaculate conceptions and coming back from the dead are just 2 in Christianity. The history of Christ was written by people who didn’t live in his alleged era, and he’s mentioned very few times in the New Testament. Contemporary secular historians from that time period didn’t write about him at all, so before ridiculing ancient beliefs, take a look at some of your own.
Jesus name peace be upon him is mentioned in Holy Quran 33 times. His miricle birth in mentioned in great details
in chapter Mariam[Mary] may God be pleased with her.
Fact is: Jews do not recognize Jesus[pbuh] and considered him a bastard and his mother is a hore.
Muslim believe in Jesus[pbuh] as one of the greatest prophet. Insulting any of the prophet is offensive and distastefullfor Muslims. Mother Superior name was mentioned 27 times in the Holy Quran. God has chosen her above all women. She is the only woman mention by name in the Holy Quran. That shows respect!
Ruth, like the German say, ” uber geschmuck mann soll sich nicht beschlagen.” In English, [never argue about taste.]
Last time I check, this site is called DARKMOON and not E-Harmony.com
I think if you get lucky/ the hock up with Albury Smith, you should consider making a contribution to Montecristo to help alleviating the cost of operating this site.
i always thought she was a nice jewish gahl, nah, a princessss.
shame on you ruth for offering your thrice-annointed bagel to a perfect stranger, you bring this site into disrepute, acting like a neonazi skinhead skank.
Hey lobro, take ‘r easy on Rurth! She is dateless and desperate and have no place to go.
Why all the petty personal attacks, Mahmoud? Ad hominem is legitimately banned on many discussion forums and used as an excuse to block comments on others claiming to be, even when someone hasn’t resorted to it at all, as I’ve learned on many occasions.
Albury, Ruth is practically my cousin. This was said in jest. She referred to Arabs and
Muslims by natsy adjectives I refuse to repeat.
After all, where is you sense of morality
when one commenter on this thread suggested that Lasha Darkmoon should be ganged raped
by US soldiers stationed in Aghanistan?
Obviously, you can not hide your hypocracy!
Perhaps there were no Palestinians, but there were philistines and Canaanites etc. Modern Palestinians are biological and spiritual descendents of Moses and ancient people of Palestine, something the Jews could not accomplish. The covenant with the Jews was cancelled when they murdered the prophets and opposed Jesus. Joke is on the Khazar PM of Israel.
Why haven’t the biological and spiritual descendents of the “Palestinians”—some of whom exiled themselves after promises from neighboring Arab belligerents that their homes would still be theirs after the Israeli Jews were defeated—absorbed them into their societies in Jordan, Syria, Egypt, and other nearby nations? The biological and spiritual descendents of the Muslims who stayed in Israel in 1948 make up ~20% of its current population, are free to follow any religion they want, participate in the Israeli government, and are not targets of state-sponsored harassment and murder, unlike Jews in many Arab countries.
Muslims in Israel, especially intellectuals , are under constant government and Shin bet surveillance. They dare not say anything that would displease the Zionists nor can they make efforts to organize their freedom and union with the rest of the Palestinians. This is a mirage, not freedom, It is a manged spectacle. Even their cars and passports are separately identified, they live in their ghettos.
The US has now learned from the Israelis how to curtail the privacy and civil rights of its Muslim population. Muslim-specific legislation is written by Zionist Congressman, inspired if not directed by Israel. It is implemented by Homeland Security run by Zionists stalwarts. We thus see an Israelization of American polity and society crazed by Zionist dominated media chorus for a security state.
Political life even under Saddam had greater maneuverability than this ‘freedom’, it was more alive, the Shias and Kurds were in open revolt. Can you conceive of such a scenario in the US or Israel, they would be blown to kingdom come.
Israel, a country where Muslims are cavity checked and undressed is not a free country for Muslims. I believe even the Jews of Israel, being prisoners of Zionism. Mere material gain, on account of political ascendency, is not freedom. True freedom lies in the freeing of the heart of prejudice, prejudice of the kind Zionism cultivates and thus damns its own adherents.
Your adverts on this site underline this disease of the heart. By such argument you raise your own ilk above the rest. This sneering contempt of others is based on false genetics and a false interpretation of a covenant. This world-view now threatens humanity, because this Masada mentality is not one with the world . However it is now armed with 200 nukes and second hit capable submarines. Unfortunately people of Europe, especially the Germans, do not know that they will be the first victims of this holocaust of revenge. Zionist do not forgive, a tern unknown in their lexicon. Their autistic cognition only entertains memory but no forgiveness. The world should be beware of the impending doom fostered by a malicious geo-ethnicity incubated by a power which has dangerously mixed myth with power politics.
This ‘circumcision’ separates Jews and gentiles for ever. The souls present at the Exodus are numbered, thus salvation is for the few. Who cares about the rest. ‘Special’ souls are recycled through reincarnation, much different from the Muslim view that every self has a beginning and a chance to flower and move towards salvation. This underlies the Muhammadan ethics taught at Taif, where after being humiliated, stoned, bloodied, beaten and driven out he is said to have refused the angels offer to crush the town of his opponents betwixt two mountains, instead he prayed for the eventual guidance of their progeny. Political religion of Israel admits none such accommodation, there is no common salvation and no common humanity.
The increasing intolerance in Muslim societies is indeed deplorable, it is a refection the abandonment of adl and insaf, and an impious embrace of the modern concepts of selfishness. An attribute highly developed in the bastions of capitalism, where Zionsits greatly influence public policy, taste, fashion and morality.
It is also a reaction against reach and cruelty of powerful countries , working , knowingly or unknowingly to further the Zionist agenda to disperse and fragment Muslim polity, the only potential challenge to Zionist hegemony.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm
(Meet “they who call themself jews and are not.”
Pope John Paul II definately NOT Hitler youth, but he was a Freemason.
Pius XII as Cardinal Pacelli was Hitler’s mate. He and Franz von Papen signed the Reichkonkordat.
Hitler was put into power by the Jesuits. Hitler had been educated at a Jesuit school in Vienna. “Mein Kampf” was ghost written by Fr. Bernhardt Stempfle S.J. when he and Hitler were in prison together. Himmler, Jesuit educated based the SS on the ideas of the Jesuits.”They who call themself jews and are not.”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/vatican_videointroxyz.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szwvjyiGBSk&feature=player_detailpage
You want to see someone that really hates Blacks? ~Reply to Mark Glenn earlier~ Go to freedomportal.net and check out Walt Disneys posts. He is Glenns brother in law. I suggest you Black folk dont go there to see this.
What say you Marky Mark?
This Jew Zimmerman really brings out the true colors of you shills. Now go on and chat with your hero Gilad Atzstein and our dear Jewish brutha Nathan. Run along little man.
@ lobro
What do you think of Wagner? Myself, I’ve never been able to listen to Wagner, but this is only because my tastes are so limited. Even if you don’t care for Wagner, you will find the essay linked below of extraordinary interest for what it has to say about Wagner’s hostile attitude to the Jews. The article is packed with useful information and quotes.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/04/evil-genius-constructing-wagner-as-moral-pariah-part-1/
sad to say, know almost nothing about wagner except that he was held in universal high esteem among fellow composers, even the jewish gustav mahler (though he converted to catholicism …).
i like bruckner, his loyal disciple.
Stephen Fry is possibly the most overrated and overexposed individual in the history of British entertainment, and has benefited enormously from the intellectual elite’s construction of Jewish genius to the point where he is routinely hailed in sections of this fawning media as a “genius” and a “national treasure.”
i recoil even more at the mention of his judeo-french counterpart, bernard henri-levy (french fry?)
the fact that fry had a love affair with the music of Richard Wagner doesn’t whet my appetite much.
like you said, xanadu, vita brevis and there are too many worms escaping the can sometimes referred to as my head to keep track of everyone else’s
but yes, if fates decreed me a long life, there should be some time set aside for wagner.
One of my favorite writers is PG Wodehouse, creator of the inimitable Jeeves. Imagine my horror when Stephen Fry was cast as Jeeves in the BBC television series! No one could be less Jeevesian than Fry, the unctuous homosexual. How he got the part amazes me.
That’s beside the point.
The point is: how on earth do we shake off the pernicious influence of Jewry once and for all? They control just about everything. And everything they touch they contaminate. They are a force for universal corruption. They induce despair.
And the general public, like lambs to the slaughter, move to their inevitable doom in a state of somnambulism — unaware of the very existence of this bloodsucking Enemy.
Albury Smith is such a fake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoZEuj1VPv0
Albury Smith is a verifiable paid disinformation agent, that cannot withstand the slightest scrutiny, and his theory of the events implodes when given the slightest critical examination, as does his self proclaimed credibility.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_wtc_implosion.html
Response to Albury Smith RE Building 7
He knows full well the 47 storied 81 vertically columned steel framed high rise WTC7 took 6.5 + seconds to come straight down into its own footprint during its FINAL global collapse phase, described by eyewitness reports as ‘In the manner of Controlled Demolition”.
He also knows 2.25 seconds of that was at FREE FALL speed and has to rely on the ‘new phenomenon’ magic bolt hypothesis of Pinocchio Sunder, leader of creatioNIST Agnotology, to explain the complete removal of the 81 vertical columns all at once to allow observed NO RESISTANT FREE FALL.
The hypothesis is coming apart. We already know NIST WTC7 “Normal Office Furnishings Fires’ is a computer program. A construct. An ‘animation’. Un-tested and secret, not based on forensic study nor eyewitness testimony.
We know that in this untested theory ‘critical collapse initiation’ began with fires already out on ONE floor [12] somehow heating 4 major beams enough to axially expand them in ONE direction, without SAG, breaking 3/4? shear studs@22? centers,’walking’ the massive girder between columns 44 and 79 off its ONE seat, thus, in NIST La La, creating a ‘cascade collapse’ somehow spreading within split seconds throughout the super strong infrastructure
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/19/realestate/commercial-property-salomon-solution-building-within-building-cost-200-million.html
and dropping it at FREE FALL, all concrete pulverized to nanothermate ridden DUST, 6.5seconds + later.
We know that no steel framed high rise has EVER fallen in such manner due to fire. We KNOW that serious experts contested the breaking of shear studs http://uwaterloo911.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/david-proe-and-ianthomas-wtc7-comments.pdf
and that NIST engineers themselves doubted the methods being used compiling the report http://uwaterloo911.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/fire-engineering-fmr-nist-cheif-challenges-niosh-wtc-report.pdf
We know that major fire studies by Cardington institute with fires burning hotter and much longer produced NO such differential stresses breaking the shear studs.
Yet NIST said that’s what happened.
An NISTs ENTIRE theory rests upon those shear stud breaks.
Recent studies presented
http://www.911blogger.com/news/2012-03-10/tangled-webs-nist-and-wtc7#comment-256007
based on study of WTC7 plans have utterly refuted the possibility of the axial expansion as presented by NIST, showing the strength of connection at column 79 seat and the skewed parameters of modeling data preclude seat failure.
[NIST equations done on UNrestrained steel][Plates securing both sides of vertical girder flange to column,TWO lines of shear studs on internal girders], a presentation adding to the excellent work done by AE911truth researchers and definitive WTC7 ‘Mysterious Collapse’ book by D R Griffin, which identifies just HOW the differential stresses were CREATED in the model to crack the critical shear stud NCSTAR1-9:352 “No thermal Expansion or material degradation was considered for the concrete slab, as the slab was not heated in this analysis.
Author – rogermorris
http://wemustknow.net/2012/04/we-are-all-conspiracy-theorists-now-the-mainstreaming-of-911-truth/
I have no idea what the “Cardington institute” is, Roger, but the fire tests conducted by the U. of Edinburgh, the Imperial College of Science, British Steel (Corus PLC), SCI, BRE, etc. at the village of Cardington in Bedfordshire used an 8-story structure with no spans >9 meters, entirely different connections from those in WTC 7, and no asymmetrical areas even remotely comparable to the condition NE of Col. 79 in WTC 7. The floors were composite, but no mention of shear studs is made in their June, 2000 conclusions.
If you have any statements by Dr. Asif Usmani or any of his fellow Cardington researchers that disagree with the NIST findings, please feel free to post links to them. You’ve obviously read their report as carefully as you’ve read NCSTAR 1A and 1-9, i.e. not at all, and are incapable of understanding that differential thermal expansion was inevitable in WTC 7 while being prevented by design in the Cardington frame.
Do you even have a plausible motive and perpetrator for this alleged C/D at 5:21 PM on 9/11? You run away whenever I ask you to explain why Silverstein collected ~$4.68 BILLION from 12 different insurance companies, and couldn’t begin to explain what difference the collapse could possibly have made in post-9/11 US foreign policy decisions. Do you ever actually THINK, or just blindly regurgitate truther crap?
you have no idea about anything Albury. obviously reading comprehension is not your forte.
Im not roger, I just copied and pasted Rogers reply to you that you failed to answer at the link provided – perhaps you should post your non answer there too so that roger might reply, unlike you, he probably doesnt spend his entire life looking scouring the internet for every article related to 911.
Youre a know nothing liar – as evidenced by your unqualified anonymous postings all over the internet, that you repeat 24/7 at every opportunity, as some sort of final arbiter on anything to do with 911, yet youre too scared to use your real name to debate anyone who disagrees with you. Well, thats because lies fear investigation right?. It is not people who question the fact that the official story does not stand up to the slightest scrutiny that have to supply you with answers to anything, the onus is on those who claim that the events of 911 did in fact happen as they say they did, beyond all reasonable doubt, as as the majority of the worlds population doesnt agree with the official version, i think its safe to say theres plenty of doubt.
to this day, there has been no unfettered independent transparent investigation with subpoena power, and there is a preponderance of evidence that in fact suggest they did not.. Your gormless insidious bleatings have run their course, time to get a new hobby. No one cares what you think, and no one is asking youy anything, but, if you want to prove me wrong, show your true colours and lets debate this live, using real names, you can show everyone exactly what qualifications you have that you think make you such an expert, and argue why you think 911 does not warrant a proper investigation. ( dont bother regurgitating that nist and the 911 ommission report are anything but a cover up, as has been pointed out repeatedly over the years, as even slightly resembling an unfettered transparent independent investigation with subpoena power )
http://www.filmsforaction.org/Articles/Taboo_or_Not_Journalists_Have_a_Duty_to_Report_the_Full_Truth_about_911/
– lol – http://luraypagefreepress.com/2012/04/16/karen-kwiatkowski-answering-bob-goodlattes-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-575316
whats wrong…
you dont have the courage of your convictions to expose yourself – your real identity, .. to submit to a video debate? are you really that gutless lol.. i dont blame you. you know damn well everything you say is a lie.
youre a filthy lying shill.. and everyone knows it..
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=30654
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You’d definitely win the name-calling contest, but what you can’t do is intelligently address any of the comments I made to Roger’s post. The Cardington frame looked nothing like WTC 7′s framing, but explaining that to you is a waste of time. You look very foolish asking for another investigation when you don’t even understand the ones already conducted.
btw, is “Informed” your first name and “Citizen” your last name?
its not up to me or anyone to address anything you say idiot.
its up to the people who perpetuate the lie of the official version of events to prove it beyond all reasonable doubt, to everyone else. simply .. they cant.
there has been no unfettered independent transparent investigation with subpoena power.. such a terror attack deserves nothing less.. all that has been so far is coverups, and the majority of the world knows this, as do you.. as evidenced by poll after poll..
youll find out my real name when we find out yours you stinking liar…
anytime you want a video debate, but somehow i feel you lack the courage of your convictions to actually put your real name and face to anything you say, the shame and embarrassment it would bring to your poor pathetic family…
off you go now shill.. hurry up.. track down some more 911 blogs to go paste your lies onto
You’re incapable of answering simple questions, and obviously haven’t even read the reports from NIST, FEMA, and other qualified sources. I can’t help but wonder how you got so much smarter than all of those SEs with doctorates and PE certification, but it must be the magic of the 9/11 “truth movement,” huh?
Here’s what the ASCE thinks of your crap:
http://www.iowaasce.org/2012/04/9-11-truth-communications/
perhaps if you had the courage of your convictions to submit to a recorded debate, where your real name and reputation were on the line, you could explain your irrational assumption that anyone is obligated to answer anything you ask.
This is a recorded debate. So far you’ve responded to nothing I’ve said.
a “video” recorded debate, where your real name and reputation were on the line..
and again. i nor anyone else are under any obligation to answer to you..
who the hell do you think you are to question me? – or anyone?
ohhh thats right.. your an anonymous unqualified shill who thinks he is the final arbiter on what is and what isnt factual regarding the events of 911.
You won’t even debate me here, little stalker man, so why would it be any different on video?
you have serious comprehension issues dont you. A video would expose you for what you really are.. an unqualified know nothing liar whos too ashamed and lack the courage of his convictions to put his real name and reputation on the line.
if thats too hard for you to understand, then i think youve just demonstrated what sort of IQ you have.
look citizen, you are wasting time with this troll.
he is highly coached in his technique of obfuscation and frustrating debaters with intentionally opaque, technical sounding, yet utterly meaningless gibberish.
you point out a string of impossible events, e.g.,
impossibility of fires due to jet fuel to melt structural steel trusses,
impossibility of perfect collapse (x3!?) without planned demolition,
presence of thermate in otherwise impossibly powdered remains of steel,
rapid removal and disposal of the above steel amounting to destruction of evidence,
utter weirdness of a third building rapidly and perfectly collapsing despite not being hit, yet only those belonging to criminal jews silverstein and lowy fell down,
no forensic investigation for arson in wtc7 despite clear and specific federal law mandating such investigation in such cases,
historical curiosity of no other steel backed building ever having collapsed due to fire, especially in clean, orderly fashion without meticulously planned demolition (many examples of steel building – the latest in china – burning out of control for many days without falling down)
jewless slaughter despite the same buildings being crammed with jews and israelis on any given day, the only goys were janitorial staff who massively perished
and on and on and on …
and his answer is very specific blather about how nist geniuses proved that if a specific boeing with 98.373 people of whom 19 were obese hit the first tower at that specific angle, with photocopier churning out reports on jewish financial perfidy and a washroom with 8 stalls, 2 of which had busted flushes in the opposite corner, the result, without any doubt will be 3 perfectly collapsed, though bomb-proof buildings and pentagon with the specific wing missing where accountants investigated a mysterious disappearance of 2.3 trillion dollars – rumsfeld just had no clue, sorry folks, dunno.
2.3 trillion disapperaed, paper trail disappeared, accountants disappeared.
goddamn magical flying jihadists, now everyone will blame jews and mossad, just because they happened to have benefitted enormously from each and every minute detail of 9/11 and its world-destroying consequences, 2 million dead muslims, 0 dead jews.
albury “nist” smith got perfect explanation.
perfect, because no one, this side of yhwh has any clue what he is yammering about.
yes.. hes a waste of time, a waste of space, a waste of bandwidth.. all in all, hes a waste of everything, but. im calling him out for a showdown
as you all can see, hes scared.. hes a chicken, hes a gutless lying coward who lacks the testicular fortitude and courage of his convictions to stake his name and reputation on what he says, to have a debate.. unlike all those who he derides as being buffoons, the hundreds of credible, knowledgable people, experts in their fields..and the overwhelming majority opinion of ordinary people all over the world – that with a little common sense, logic, and a little scrutiny.. know that it is impossible for the events of 911 to have happenned as we are being told..
as he hides behind his computer, day in, day out, 24/7.. he calls me a “stalker” as he stalks his next elusive 911 blog that he can smear his anonymous, unqualified, unsolicited defecation all over.. because in his imagination, he is the final arbiter, of all that is, on the subject of 911..
though in reality, he is nothing but a gutless coward, a gormless shill, a know nothing waste of space..
but it is fun to point that out.
It’s apparently fun to duck my questions too, little stalker man. You need a new hobby.
lol – why do you feel im obliged to answer any of your questions?
you need a new hoppy ya gutless loser.
I thought you said you wanted a debate, little stalker man. How much proof would you like than Box Boy’s nothing but a liar?
as soon as you work out who you really are little anonymous unqualified shill, the debate is on..
though i doubt youll ever find the courage to debate anyone, including me, without the comfort of knowing you dont have to be held accountable for your lies.
off you go littlechickenman..
now, now boys, dont fite! be freinds!
Lobro jabbers stupidly:
“impossibility of fires due to jet fuel to melt structural steel trusses,”
I have no clue what you’re yammering about, lobro. Please point out any claim made by NIST, FEMA, or other government agency or spokesman that steel melted to cause any of the WTC collapses.
go away u sily man, u are anoying evry1, we dont wanna hear bout 911, we all no who dun it, and it dont mater to me cos no jews got kilt. g-d was lookin after us jews for shore, 4 how cum no jews dyed? can u tell me that? sory bout my spelin mr smith but i’m onely 14 and i’m dislecksick. buy 4 now, jessel meyer
we all look forward to your video rebuttal of richard gages address to the Royal Institute of British Architects in London in June 2011.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltjeKtXPHY
see if you can do it without any ad hominem, ohh, and dont forget to include verification of your (real) identity, and any experience and qualifications you may have ( rotflmao ) – because without that, anything you say remains simply the opinion of an anonymous shill who totally lacks credibility.
That’s another outright lie. Box Boy did not address the RIBA last year; he simply rented a room at their London HQ for his dog-and-pony show. Their membership is reconsidering its rental policies as a result:
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/riba-comes-under-fire-for-hosting-‘bonkers’-9/11-talk/5020382.article?PageNo=8&SortOrder=dateadded&PageSize=10#comments
video rebuttal little chicken man..
ohh, and dont forget to include verification of your (real) identity, and any experience and qualifications you may have ( rotflmao ) – because without that, anything you say remains simply the opinion of an anonymous shill who totally lacks credibility.
You just claimed that Box Boy addressed the RIBA, little stalker man, so who “totally lacks credibility”? Please feel free to cite any mention of him on the RIBA, ASCE, or AIA web sites.
listen to what a number of professional psychologists have to say about those who refuse to accept or even look into the abundant evidence that 9/11 was a black op and that the official 9/11 Report is itself an absurd ‘conspiracy theory’:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlt0n-AZvHY
Your link doesn’t work, darrell, but if these are the “professional psychologists” who shill for Box Boy in Colorado, what’s the difference between that absurd video and pure ad hominem?
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/psychologists-mental-health-questioning-911-sane.html
you know very well the link darrell was referring to, as it has been given to you countless times during your pathetic career as an anonymous unqualified shill, otherwise how could you claim it is pure adhominem.
perhaps youd like to go on video, declaring your true identity, and tell everyone why it is so unreasonable to want real answers to reasonable questions.
and perhaps he didnt address THE RIBA.. and as you say, i was only at their facilities..
but that doesnt mean members were not present does it.. you have to be registered to look at that link.. though a lot of your links lead to malware sites.. so im not that inclined to look further.
and to answer your last question.. its you who lacks credibility you lying anonymous unqualified shill.
Look at your video and open the link I posted, little stalker man. Box Boy was playing to a nearly empty house in London, and the RIBA doesn’t want him in their HQ again because he’s an embarrassment to real professionals in the building industry.
Search “Richard Gage” on the AIA, ASCE, and RIBA web sites and see what you get.
dont need to be logged in to see this page little chicken man.
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/riba-aia-and-aaronovitch-attack-gage.html
and if you think numbers at gages presentation mean anything, then you must be really concerned to know that an overwhelming majority of the population all over the world have doubts about the official version of events, believe the government is covering up, believe it is not unreasonable to have an unfettered independent transparent investigation with subpoena power.. you know, the normal course of events that usually takes place after a crime..
now if youd agree to a recorded debate, you could explain to the rest of the world why you dont think its reasonable that the truth be revealed beyond all reasonable doubt.
lol. but you wont do that will you… because youre a lying little chicken man shill eh..
“Perhaps [Box Boy] didn’t address THE RIBA,” little stalker man? Yesterday you said “we all look forward to your video rebuttal of richard gages address to the Royal Institute of British Architects in London in June 2011,” so which is it?
like i said fool with reading comprehension issues, that link you posted requires people to have an account and to be logged in.. im not doin that.
now you can show me your evidence that there were no members of the RIBA present, as well as your qualifications and the authority RIBA gave you to speak on their behalf during a recorded debate..
if only you were not so afraid of being exposed for the pathetic lying shill you are little chicken man
and more on this…
i just thought it quite demonstrative of your trolling record, that about halfway down this page..
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-06-24/richard-gage-talk-royal-institute-british-architects-ignites-firestorm
people are reffering to you, and your work..
seems all your ilk are afraid of a proper debate.. you seem to prefer to remain unaccountable.. and like a broken record, keep spinning around furiously in the same place, never getting anywhere..
if only you had half a clue, and were not such a frightened gutless lying loser.
The 9/11 blogger site where people are attacking me personally and I’m not posting is your idea of a debate? My responses to them are on the bdonline site at this link:
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/riba-comes-under-fire-for-hosting-‘bonkers’-9/11-talk/5020382.article?PageNo=1&SortOrder=dateadded&PageSize=50#comments
The guy who said that I paid to comment there is a liar, and I would gladly have posted at 9/11 blogger, but no one on the bdonline site told me that I was the topic there. I also would most likely have been banned immediately by the moderator, as I am on “forums” at most 9/11 “truth movement” web sites.
You can register for free to read the comments following last year’s bdonline article, but twoofers managed to get the discussion shut down by flaming at me and others who don’t drink the Kool-Aid. You guys rock.
You claimed that Box Boy addressed the RIBA, little stalker man. He didn’t, so own it; it’s just that simple. It’s also very easy to register at the bdonline site and read the comments from RIBA members and others about letting a clown like him rent space in their London HQ – something I don’t think they’ll do again.
btw, have you searched the RIBA web site for references to “Richard Gage”? How about the AIA and ASCE sites? There’s no mention of any of your other 9/11 “truth movement” luminaries either.
whats the difference between refering to gage as boxboy, and pure ad hominem?
lol – your hypocrisy is pathetically amusing little chicken man.
grow a pair, and debate anyone, including silly ol me.. on camera, with your identity verified, you know.. for credibilitys sake..
if we do this right little chicken man.. it could go viral! – it could be the most watched video on youtube! – wouldnt you like the whole world to see what a master(de)bator you are?
why spend day in, day out, all your life posting your unqualified anonymous opinion on web page after web page, when you could reach so many more people with a simple video?
is it shame.. or embarrasment.. that is stopping you? fear maybe….. is it fear little chicken man.. that you will be exposed for what you truly are?
whats wrong little chicken man.. tell me your problems, im listening…
The AIA, ASCE, RIBA, NIST and other qualified professionals ignore you too, little stalker man, and it’s not from any lack of understanding they have of engineering or explosive demolition. If you really wanted to debate, you’d address the comments I’ve already made on here about Box Boy’s absurd claims.
No self-respecting engineer would even dream of timing a building collapse to determine what caused it, but Box Boy can’t even do that accurately. The towers took ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, and WTC 7′s facade took ~8.5 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4&lr=1
Do you just like liars or something?
time and time again, all you questions and concerns are answered by people all over the web, but you simply ignore all that, and move onto the next blog only to repeat the same pattern.
i didnt say i wanted a debate.. i was offering you the opportunity to prove that youre not a liar, that you really do know what youre talking about, via a recorded debate where you can display your qualifications and explain why you think its unreasonable for anyone to doubt anything about the official version of events.
but.. for some reason, you seem scared to do that. afraid to expose yourself to the same scrutiny that those who speak out against the official version of events do.
they stake their lives and reputations, while you sit behind your computer, hiding behind lies and anonimity.. letting loose with ad hominem attacks on anyone with a counter view to the myth that is the official version of events.
youre a gutless lying shill… and guess what, it doesnt take a structural engineer to see that either.
I have a counter view on timing building collapses to divine their causes, little stalker man, and I think Box Boy and others in your “truth movement” are lying about the times. Have you ever actually timed the tower and WTC 7 collapses yourself, or do you just believe liars?
How did they get the WTC 7 time to the nearest 1/10 second, when no available video shows the bottom floors? It was 610′ high, and NIST showed that the top 242′ fell in 5.4 seconds, so did the bottom 368′ take only 1.1 seconds, or did your “researchers” just make up a time?
the youtube video i mentioned on psychologists and 9/11 truth is here. the other one was removed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEGgAk1AbA4
Which of those deep thinkers is a structural engineer, darrell?
show us your qualifications little chicken man.
I have an entire career in commercial construction management, and have done all of the field engineering on several multimillion-dollar buildings.
Do you have any background for this discussion at all? You’d be laughed off any job I ever ran or worked on.
no you dont liar. until you grow a pair and provide proof as to your claimed credentials and your identity, and put your name and reputation on the line like everyone else you anonymously attack.. then whatever you have to say is worth sweet stuff all.
you have the chutzpah to call me a stalker lol, yet you stalk the internet looking for a place to park and spread your bile 24/7! – im just giving you a taste of your own medicine.. whats the matter princess? getting your feathers ruffled are we? too bad, cry more.
youve posted the same idiotic blatherings on hundreds of webpages all over the internet, and on all of them youve been called out and embarrassed for the lying gormless shill you are.
if you think anyone is being fooled by your anonymous unqualified gormless opinions, then you really are a fool.
noone cares what you think little chicken man, you pathetic, lying, gutless skidmark on the underpants of humanity.
Seriously, little stalker man, what do you do for a living? Are you in valet parking? Fast food prep? Gas pumping?
And if “noone [sic] cares what [I] think,” why do you keep following me around? You obviously can’t discuss the topic intelligently, or your posts wouldn’t all be about me.
as is evidenced by your extreme postings all over the internet, an intelligent conversation with you is impossible, as you have been told countless times on hundreds of posts, by many people… its obvious that noone cares what an anonymous lying unqualified shill has to say about anything.
seriously little chicken man, ive told you ill debate you any time.. grow a pair, and say youll stake your name and reputation on your lies, by way of a video debate, with your identity revealed, as do all the others you simply attack while hiding behind your screen.
i know thats too much to ask, for it will expose you for what you are.. a lying, gutless shill who doesnt have to courage of his convictions to own his comments.
youre a gutless shill and you, and the whole world knows it, and trying to dodge the fact that youre too gutless to debate me on camera, by inferring that a valet parking attendant is an unworthy job, says a lot more about you than it does about parking attendants.
put up or shut up shill.
You won’t debate me here, little stalker man. Why is that?
“You won’t debate me here, little stalker man. Why is that?”
listen stupid little man, ill explain this one last time fool.
until you prove your identity and credentials, anything you say is worth diddly squat. you say youre an expert prove it!
youre the one making all the claims, are we just suppossed to believe you?
im not making any claims, im simply pointing out that qualified experts from all over the world dont agree with the official version of events, and are denied a proper – transparent, independent, unfettered hearing.
scenario:
i accuse you of murder. instead of a trial, i gather some of my good friends, and we have a meeting. betweern us, we determine you to be guilty. despite there being no judge, no jury, and the only witnesses allowed are ones we like.
you happy with that? despite the fact that you have witnesses that can prove it wasnt you?
despite the fact you were not allowed to present that evidence.. you happy with my friends and i declaring you guilty, without your evidence ( or mine ) being scutinised by experts, for the case to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt?
of course not, no reasonable person would.
unlike you, im not making any claims, im just saying that experts who disagree, and theres countless of them, should be heard and their evidence scrutinised? wouldnt you want the opportunity to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that what you say is true?
the fact is, you have been debated – ad nauseum, all over the internet, but you are not the final arbiter on this matter, and again, quite frankly, an annonymous opinion, from an unverified individual that spends his time 24/7 for years on end, promoting the scenario above as reasonable.. just cant be taken seriously.
you have shown repeatedly, that you cant understand the concept that unless youre willing to own your comments, then youre nothing but a waste of time, regardless of your determination.
dont pretend this is the first time this has been explained to you either.
heres someone who is qualified to have an opinion, and who has the courage of his convictions to put his name to what he says..
Professor Daniele Ganser (Switzerland) – 10 Years After 9/11 The Official Account Does Not Add Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY
so ill debate you anywhere, on the common sense reasons for a proper investigation, that the majority of the world agree with according to any poll..
but why do you think anyone should listen to someone who wont divulge his identity or credentials.. eh ? eh ? eh?
bit of a waste of time if you ask me..
by the way.. a video debate shows im willing to expose myself as soon as you do, but i tell ya what, youll have to do a good job to convince me that those buildings are falling down, and not exploding outwards.. i know what i see.. i know the difference between an apple and an orange.
dr paul craig roberts puts his name to his comments.
About Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2011/09/13/911-truth-critics-do-they-have-a-case/
see how much more credible his argument is when he puts his name to it.. its not rocket science albury, its common sense.
i know youre going to ignore that all though, because quite frankly, thats your job.
so. put up, or shut up. noone cares for the opinion of an anonymous, unqualified shill, who simply goes around regurgitation the same official fairy tale we have all heard countless times already, the same story we all know as good as you.. but noone believes any more, due to the overwhelming evidence and opinion of experts who find that the official story does not stand up to scrutiny.
.. perhaps, as you are a self declared expert on every aspect of 911, ( though totally unverifiable due to your reluctance to prove any of your proclaimed credentials – we just have to take the word of an rando on the internet ) you might like to explain your understanding of a “false flag” event, and maybe you could give an example of such an event from history, as there are quite a few that have been confirmed.
also – if you could expand a little on your understanding of governments that pay people to manipulate social media, blogs etc, via purpose built software to create personas to give the impression of a greater amount of support for government than what otherwise may actually be true.
if youre unable to to answer these questions, ill be happy to provide examples for your edification.. or alternatively you could ask pretty much.. anyone else.
Reynolds Wrap isn’t just for cooking, yanno. Try putting on two layers.
“You won’t debate me here, little stalker man. Why is that?”
so all you have in reply is a spray of ad hominem.. proves the point that you cant debate anything anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2YrUq2Y_C4
the official story doesnt stand up to scrutiny chicken man. nor do you.
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/fatal-holes-destroy-bushs-lies-about.html
A man who does not know the truth is just an idiot but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a crook! –Bertolt Brecht
albury runs from the truth. he is an anonymous, unqualified cowardly liar, who not only doesnt have the courage of his convictions to debate where he uses his real name, he cant even do it anonymously.
his time is running out, and he knows it. hes feeling the heat, poor, pitiful, gormless little shill.
http://disquietreservations.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/evaporation-of-darkness-mass.html
I think it’s time to investigate some of the bizarre and absurd claims made by Richard Gage, not the three WTC hi-rise collapses on 9/11, since they’ve already been thoroughly investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST scientists and engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242′, of the collapse of WTC 7′s facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet Gage and others in the 9/11 “truth movement” claim that the entire 610′ collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368′ fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time to the nearest 1/10 of a second for the entire collapse when NIST couldn’t because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
How can he claim that the towers nearly free fell when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each one were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground. Was g miraculously increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/40/qLShZOvxVe4
yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He’s also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were “pyroclastic,” but there are no reports of anyone’s skin being instantly peeled off, and he’s claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc
How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was less than 100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn’t leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevator shafts, has he even looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so he’s not even making sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower’s main collapse was over.
We should investigate the nonsense coming from Richard Gage, as well as his “engineers.”
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12
I think it’s time to investigate some of the bizarre and absurd claims made by Richard Gage, not the three WTC hi-rise collapses on 9/11, since they’ve already been thoroughly investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST scientists and engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242′, of the collapse of WTC 7′s facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet Gage and others in the 9/11 “truth movement” claim that the entire 610′ collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368′ fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time to the nearest 1/10 of a second for the entire collapse when NIST couldn’t because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
How can he claim that the towers nearly free fell when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each one were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground. Was g miraculously increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4&lr=1
yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He’s also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were “pyroclastic,” but there are no reports of anyone’s skin being instantly peeled off, and he’s claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:
sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc
How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was less than 100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn’t leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevator shafts, has he even looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so he’s not even making sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower’s main collapse was over.
We should investigate the nonsense coming from Richard Gage, as well as his “engineers.”
forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12
allblurry has been asked previously to explain why the government needed to lie here,
http://www.show-the-house.com/id107.html
but because he cant explain it, ( ie; he hasnt been told what the official response to this is yet ) he simply ignores it.
either that, or hes not sure which direction the sun rises each morning.
take your unsolicited, unqualified, incredible, anonymous cowardly, mentally retarded opinion little chicken man, and shove it where the sun dont shine. noone cares what you think.
@ Informed Citizen
@ Albury Smith
THIS HEATED DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU ON THE 9/11 CONTROVERSY MUST NOW COME TO AN END.
YOU HAVE SAID ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT AND ARE NOW GETTING ON OUR READERS’ NERVES.
MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT PLEASE, AS ABUSIVE AS YOU LIKE, BUT MAKE IT SHORT AND CRISP!
— John Scott Montecristo
Id just like to thank you and your readers for the opportunity to express my opinion however offensive some people may find the call for a proper transparent unfettered independent investigation into the events of 911 ( – even though such a thing be over a decade late.. the truth never dies, nor does it fear investigation….) to be, and above and beyond patience in my dealings with the verifiable mental retard commonly known as albury smith
sincerely..
thanks.
PS : see ya round little chicken man.
An Invitatiion to write an article on 9/11
@ Informed Citizen
@Albury Smith
@ Anyone Else
It might be a good idea if one or more of you were to consider writing a brief essay for this website on the subject of 9/11.
The type of essay I am looking for is NOT a conventional disquisition on 9/11 but a LIST OF NUMBERED POINTS. Point 1 would be the first paragraph, Point 2 the second paragraph, and so on. If you were making 30 points, there would be 30 paragraphs. A few (unnumbered) introductory paragraphs would not count. Each paragraph would have to be short and pithy, listing one point.
Essay to be called something like: “Thirty Reasons for Rejecting the Mainstream View of 9/11″, or “Forty Reasons for Believing Osama bin Laden could not have done 9/11″, or “Twenty Reasons for believing Israel was behind 9/11.”
Each point would list an implausibility of some kind in the traditional account, e.g., the impossibility of Building 7 coming down without controlled explosions, or the curious fact of that passport being found miraculously intact in the ruins of Ground Zero, or the strange fact that few Jews seem to have perished that day, or the stranger fact that Larry Silverstein and his family didn’t show up as usual for work that day, or the curious insider training that was gong on before 9/11, or the behavior of the five dancing Israelis.
How many of these implausibilities exist? I don’t know. I suspect there could be well over 100. If someone could arrange them all in a neat list, that would be a great boon. I would consider publishing such an essay provided it was well-written and not too technical.
Alternatively, Albury Smith is welcome to write and send us an essay with the title “20 Reasons why I reject all conspiracy theories and believe Muslim Terrorists were responsible for 9/11.” The same article being a vindication of the mainstream account and a rejection of any Jewish involvement.
In fairness, I would consider publishing BOTH sides of the argument. Readers could then make up their minds which side they prefer.
— Editor John Scott Montecristo
if youll allow me this one last indulgence.
i believe its quite obvious to most, that im not much of a writer, but i think what you propose is fine, if people were genuine and serious and approached it without hyperbole and ad hominem, as a way of giving those that havnt explored the questioning behind the official story, a chance to see what the fuss is about. there is in fact a whole heap of similar style articles already on the net that do list discrepancies and other reasons to doubt the official story, that already make a strong argument for a new investigation, such as links ive already posted here and another example…
http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/
there are thousands of credible, qualified, respected people the world over, who have gone on the record, staking their reputations & livelihood, expressing their doubts and reasons for those doubts, about the events of 911, easily accessed via a persons favourite internet search engine. there is also an enormous amount of misinformation and disinformation though, which is why there is so much confusion about whats fact and what isnt.
despite the confusion, the fact that opinion polls show overwhelmingly, continually growing support for a new investigation ( eg, a poll in germany found recently almost 90% of the population doubts the offical version, and even in new york, years ago, with only a minority of new yorkers having even heard of building 7.. there was considerable doubt ) yet there has never been any official answers to any of these concerns. they are simply ignored and left to the likes of albury to try to convince everyone there is no reason for concern.
albury seems to think that because he has an answer for everything, there is no reason to hold a proper investigation, but his are not official answers, and he remains unaccountable. there is no way this can ever be solved simply by anonymous opinions going back and forth on the internet between albury and me, or anyone else, as is evidenced by the fact that albury has been doing this for years now, trying to convince people that a healthy dose of skepticism is actually an illness..
i think a strong case has already been made for a new, proper investigation, and that idea is understood by most people who have an interest in the matter and have looked into the issues, but despite what albury believes, if he wants to write an article on why he doesnt want his case to be scrutinised, tested and proven once and for all, ( in something other than a government sposored and organised investigation into the goverment itself – since when does someone who is accussed of something get to conduct their own investigation? ) that might make interesting reading, as truth fears no investigation, however, there is only one way ill be satisfied, and that is the same way crimes have been dealt with for centuries.
im no expert, never claimed to be, and im not trying to prove anything here, rather im just trying to show my reasons, via links to credible opinions as oppossed to anonymous, unqualified, unacountable assertions, why i have doubts, and why i am advocating that it is not unreasonable for a proper, ie; independent, unfettered, transparent investigation be held, where cross examination, under oath, of expert testimony, eyewitness testimony, ALL evidence can be examined, as there are also many credible, respected criticisms of the NIST report, and the 911 Commission report, and it is the only way, where the truth can be found and proven one way or the other, beyond all reasonable doubt.
again, thanks for allowing me my say.
Good points, informed Citizen. No one can disagree with any of this.
Unfortunately we are ruled by a criminal mafia who have already conducted a “thorough” investigation into the circumstances around 9/11—an event they themselves perpetrated or were complicit in—and they have decided, after “due consideration”, that the people they framed are guilty.
The criminal mafia itself, located in Tel Aviv, with its main branch in Washington DC, is naturally beyond reproach. And the same criminal organization will soon, I suspect, be making it illegal to doubt their word. They, after all, are the Government.
You yourself, Informed Citizen, will most likely be carted off to some FEMA camp for daring to speak your mind on this matter. And Albury Smith, I regret to say, will be your jailer.
So get ready for a long happy stay behind bars!
I’ll probably be in the adjoining cell.
id relish the opportunity to look an albury in the eyes, and ive lived a life happy and long enough already that i fear naught what they might do – i might also however, be a little more predisposed than you, to a more optimistic outcome, and instead, i feel its all the alburys that fear, that a change is nigh, and it be they, wholl soon be the ones rattling their tin mugs across the bars..
its through the work that you do, and others like you, giving voice to truth, that makes them desperate, because they understand the power of truth, they know it fears no investigation..
and they know.. truth never surrenders.
thats it for me now. thanks again. goodbye.
PS. i could think of worse neighbours
albury has never made a legitimate claim ;if he thinks that NIST examined the WTC in its entirety , they have not gone public with it . They were never called before the 911 Commission to testify . There were very few reliable witnesses at the 12 Public Meetings held by the commission of omission . they Omitted 10 times more info then they extracted from anyone . Informed Citizens deserve more respect than your blabbering , gibberish yelling .. I have checked some of your so called evidence and found less than what was produced in the 911 Report . You need to start from the beginning and forget all your previous findings .. thank you
The 9/11 Commission Report had nothing to do with investigating the causes of any building collapse on 9/11, as you’d know if you actually read it. The only damaged or destroyed buildings mentioned in it are the WTC towers and the Pentagon, since they were targeted in the al Qaeda suicide attacks.
@ informed citizen et al
Your analysis is bang on.
This ‘Albury Smith’ person clogged up the comments section of a website that I contribute to
for the best part of a year
- before finally being blocked –
for relentlessly posting the same text-based suppression techniques that he has being cutting and pasting into this thread.
He cares a lot about israel too, for some reason
(despite its behavior)
I was blocked on your ridiculous dog-and-pony show for disagreeing with your absurd C/D nonsense and posting facts and proof, ewingsc. I’m still waiting for you to explain to me why 12 different insurance companies, at least 4 of which are foreign-based, all paid Larry Silverstein a total of $4.68 billion if he publicly admitted to blowing up his property. It’s a lot easier just to ban me than answer that question, isn’t it?
because they are jew-owned and controled, they are rowing in the same kabbalist boat acting monolithically for the advancement of the same goals as stated in the protocols/clean break: strategy for securing the realm/pnac.
besides even if the money came out of their pockets, which i seriously doubt (jew will always sadistically squeeze the goy to pay for the murder of another goy, as a matter of diabolical pride), it is chump change to 2.3 trillion jew (under guidance of dov zakheim) stole from dod when the accounting office investigating disappearance of funds was blown up by a missile on 9-11.
and you, if you really are a goy, should be ashamed of shilling tirelessly in abject service of the humanity’s greatest enemy, cutting and pasting the same meaningless inanities as ewingsc and informed citizin already observed.
enjoy your daily 30 shekels, don’t spend them all on bagels.
and don’t forget to turn the lights off at sunset tonight.
let’s turn this question around.
why did the insurance companies pay for wtc bldg 7, which did not get hit but supposedly came down due to fires, despite that fact that in clear contravention of the federal building code, the fire department did not investigate the possibility of arson?
this is the only such exception in history of united states.
but then, rules are made to be broken on behalf of your master, aren’t they?
for a graphic account of how a steel structure (hotel in taiwan) falls when compromised on one side (like supposedly wtc#7) check this slow motion video.
but newton’s laws have no power over talmud, do they?
c’mon, let’s hear you dump forth a bunch of irrelevant factoids.
So you “think” that a building that’s intact and undermined at its foundation should do the same thing as a building whose interior columns failed because of fires? That goes a long way toward explaining why you’re not a structural engineer.
Your comment about investigating for arson’s completely absurd, since the cause of the fires in WTC 7 was witnessed by numerous people:
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc
Do you have any proof that Lloyd’s, Swiss Re, Copenhagen Re, Zurich Financial, and at least 8 other insurers are “jew-owned and controled [sic]“? How did the owner of WTC 7 or any insurer of the WTC gain anything from billions of dollars in losses, or doesn’t that matter, as long as you’re libeling Da’ Joos?
Insurance companies don’t loose money by insurance payouts – they pass it on to their customers in the form of premiums. Actually, insurance is a complex interlinked system in which bets are spread out over numerous companies in the form of derivatives, even though they might be taken on and signed on behalf of one company. Many companies will therefore have a stake. Administration costs for claims are also paid for mainly by the government, which count as the biggest source of revenue for insurance companies. The insurance industry is heavily government subsidized. Losses that public companies make are foremost at the expense of shareholders and not management.
Back to the Israelis in the white van: you have still not answered this puzzling event sufficiently Albury.
If you were a Goy insurance manager, would you even dare to investigate 9/11 if it were suggested that there is evidence of it being an inside job? I don’t know many insurance managers who are armed with hundreds of nuclear missiles, a CIA, Department for Homeland Security, Mossad, F16s, Polonium and such like. Rather than having a personal stake in loosing nothing if not acting, they might have an interest in not acting when standing to loose everything?
So it’s your understanding that 12 different insurance companies from all over the world just willingly paid out hundreds of millions of dollars each to someone who publicly admitted to insurance fraud? What did any of them, or Larry Silverstein, gain from this alleged secret demolition? His replacement costs far exceed the insurance settlement, he’s lost all cash flow from the towers and other leased buildings for more than a decade, and he’s still paying the PANYNJ ~$10 million/month for the property while he rebuilds. WTC 7 was nearly fully occupied in 2001 also, and tenants are just now beginning to return.
I don’t think real estate investing and management are good career choices for you.
In your little fantasy world, what were the detained Israelis doing that had anything at all to do with 4 coordinated hijackings and crashes by al Qaeda suicide terrorists, aside from photographing the towers along with thousands of others?
Now you are getting very abusive, Albury and going off subject to hurl personal insults at people trying to raise valid points in response to your comments. If this was my website, I would have kicked you off already for this, rather than having my regulars upset without just cause, I am sorry to say. I raised an argument about insurance in relation to the first comment you made in this thread, and without fully responding to it directly, you deflected the argument and then hurled a personal insult: ‘I don’t think real estate investing and management are good career choices for you.’ This is also a strange insult, as it does not bear a direct relationship to the comment that I made. Further, when you started your second thread, you said ‘In your little fantasy world…’ What was the need for this Albury? The Israelis in the white van had set up their position before the two aircraft even hit the World Trade Centers. There was a lot that was suspicious about them that warranted the NYPD to pull over their van and detain them on suspicion of being connected to the attacks. This sits at the very centre of the 9/11 inside job theory, as it is one of the more obvious paper-trails linking Israel to the 9/11 attacks.
I certainly for one do not have time to copy and paste or rewrite arguments and counterarguments for and against the 9/11 inside job theory. If you would like to have a sensible debate, then engage in one, but don’t start getting abusive.
Please answer my question. The Israelis who were arrested, detained, and later deported did not “set up their position before the two aircraft even hit the World Trade Centers,” and only one eyewitness said anything at all about their behavior. They were asked by the NYPD what they were doing, and replied honestly that they were recording the events of 9/11, i.e. the massive fires in the towers (as thousands of others were also doing).
How on earth does anyone aid two hijackings and crashes from where they were on the morning of 9/11/01? Did they point out where the WTC towers were, or tell the hijackers when would be a good time to crash the planes into them? I’m simply trying to make sense of your allegation.
…why 12 different insurance companies, at least 4 of which are foreign-based, all paid Larry Silverstein a total of $4.68 billion if he publicly admitted to blowing up his property. It’s a lot easier just to ban me than answer that question, isn’t it?
and not only silverstein.
this from your favorite newspaper
Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel
why wasn’t he investigated for this and in fact, should have been charged with crimes against humanity … in fact, coming from a foreign statesman (likud leader at the time) this amounts to an act of war.
the same answer easily applies to both questions and explains the immunity enjoyed by both hookworms.
they are colonial overlords and can do whatever they please on us soil.
usa has no soverignity, its subjects are coolies like yourself sweating in the internet mines of king silverstein.
How does publicly stating an obvious fact implicate Israel in an al Qaeda suicide operation? Do Da’ Joos just go around admitting all of these alleged crimes like hijacking and crashing 4 US airliners, and secretly blowing up their property for no apparent reason except to lose billions of dollars?
Logic isn’t your strong suit, is it?
“I was blocked on your ridiculous dog-and-pony show for disagreeing with your absurd C/D nonsense and posting facts and proof, ewingsc. “
I have spent a long time looking for such evidence. If you don’t mind, would you kindly post one link here for my benefit of irrefutable proof that leads you to believe unequivocally in the official version of events. Thank you.
Find one thing wrong with this:
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/
You’ve provided NO evidence for your absurd claim of Israeli involvement in an al Qaeda suicide attack, and the idea that explosives secretly demolished any NYC hi-rise is beyond stupid. You’ve also provided no plausible and coherent motive for collapsing them, and it would be completely impossible to do without leaving evidence, both before and during the collapses, and in the debris afterward.
There’s a lot wrong with that as far as being a source for irrefutable evidence goes. As far as i know, I have never claimed that Israel is responsible, I have posted links where others have claimed that evidence makes them a legitimate suspect though.
While I was asking for conclusive evidence that the attacks were actually carried out by Al Quaeda, or evidence that proves Israel was NOT involved, I wasn’t aware that I was required to provide a motive for the attacks.
If you want to argue about what is beyond stupid, I’d suggest the idea that all the supports across an entire building, can be removed simultaneously without the aid of some sort of explosive, in order for the acknowledged free fall acceleration of building 7 to occur, would be right up there at the top of the list, especially since evidence of thermitic material was found in the dust. Perhaps you can provide a link to an official response to those findings?
Also up there on the top of the list of things beyond stupid, is to pretend there is no other evidence of explosives, as there are plenty of eye witness testimonies, videos and the very fact that, to most people, the twin towers looked very much like explosions, and building 7 resembled a controlled demolition in every way. To say there is no evidence, is beyond stupid.
Here’s the link you requested:
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610
The 24 interior columns weighed 730# per lineal foot, and the 57 exterior columns weighed 500# per lineal foot, and no explosive known to mankind could have secretly severed even one of them without being heard on Long Island. The sound of even one being explosively cut would have been deafening at 2 blocks.
All supports were not cut; the moment-connected exterior ones buckled simultaneously after the interior collapsed. If any of those massive columns had been explosively cut, a blind man would have been able to see evidence of it on the column ends.
Your “theory” is completely impossible, and once again, what motive was there for it?
Here are my comments at ewingsc’s ridiculous dog-and-pony show:
http://uncensored.co.nz/2010/04/27/911-debunker-gets-his-ass-handed-to-him-by-richard-gage/#comments
That’s a very long page, I was unable to find any irrefutable evidence in support of the official story. Do you have ANY at all, or do you just enjoy wasting peoples time? I came asking for evidence, all I have from you is questions and directions to time wasting links. If you can not answer my request, and if you can not even answer what evidence is it that makes you support the official version of events, without question, then I’m left wondering why you even bothered to reply to my original inquiry.
Sorry, I can’t read the links I posted for you; you have to do that yourself. You seem to enjoy ignoring evidence and then claiming that there isn’t any. I’d be glad to read your evidence of explosive demolition, but you’ve posted none.
I’m yet to see a single piece of irrefutable evidence that supports the Governments theory.
Anyone?
I’ve yet to see any evidence of explosive demolition at the WTC on 9/11, or of any Israeli involvement in the al Qaeda suicide attacks that day. I’ve seen nothing credibly refuting the NIST reports either.
Thank you for your reply, though you didn’t really answer my question. I was seeking clear, unquestionable evidence that supports the Government theory. As for your concerns, there has been no official response to the any of the issues raised here, scientific, video, eye-witness and forensic evidence.
http://www.santabarbaracounty911truth.org/the-evidence.html
I would still like to see irrefutable evidence that supports the Governments theory, or alternatively, an official refutation of the issues raised on that page.
I don’t wish to seem rude, but it seems you’re arguing a case without any evidence. Thanks.
Your Santa Clara “truth” nonsense has been thoroughly debunked. I’ve addressed much of it here, so what did I get wrong? Box Boy can’t even time collapses accurately, and timing one to determine what caused it is pure junk science.
after having viewed most of a.s’s posts, i am convinced that he is a fulltime mossad troll, with a departmental backup to do quick research on which load of patent bullshit would snow the regular posters the most.
waste of time belle.
it doesn’t affect him in the least that the 5 fiddlers on the roof of the “moving van” were proven to be mossad operatives and even boasted about it on israeli tv, that high powered sayanim like derschowitz immediately got into the act to spring them (and over 100 others who got caught in subsequent fbi mopup) from the jail, that they were clearly setup beforehand to videotape the events, that they were dancing their disgusting folk dances, presumably the same ones danced after the slaughter of the amalek, the same one that the war criminals netanyahu, barak, and the bloated slab of meat formerly known as sharon danced on that day.
listen, he likes them a great deal, because they are such loyal americans, just like him
They were asked by the NYPD what they were doing, and replied honestly that they were recording the events
ever heard of an honest … ahem, let’s not go there, except to say it would be a prime example of an urban legend.
in fact, the 5 honestly dancing shlomos were arrested by newark police … arrested solely because you know, nj cops are such antisemites, luckily albury smith was on the spot with bail money.
perverted liars and cowards, one and all.
it does not affect him, because he is one of them, pure and simple, got his phd in lying.
that everyone is getting frustrated at his “inability” to see the obvious is an asset to him, because he is simply sniggering away anything to do with truth.
whatever i post here is not in attempt to make him see the light but to warn other posters not to waste time with the troll.
if he is jewish, he prays in the synagogue of satan.
if not, synagogue of sayan.
Belle is very easily offended by abusive rhetoric, lobro, so please tone it down a little. I’m still trying to understand what the detained Israelis’ role was in hijacking and crashing the planes. Do suicide hijackers need ground control or something? Was it too difficult to see the WTC towers above the NYC skyline in perfect weather conditions?
If they were just taking video after the planes hit, did they perhaps think that the crashes and fires wouldn’t attract enough media and other attention, so they wanted to be sure to document it? Please explain.
You are paid for wasting people’s time. Period. Every time a poster replies to you at great length (like “Informed Citizen” or Lobro) he loses valuable energy which he could have put to better purposes.
I’m paid as much as anyone else to post here, i.e. nothing. Please take some of that “valuable energy” to answer my question about the role of 5 Israelis in the al Qaeda plot to hijack and crash airliners. What could 5 guys on the ground in NJ have possibly done to aid in the attacks?
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis
@ Albury Smith
THE FIVE DANCING ISRAELIS
(posted here in its entirety for future reference)
The very first people arrested on suspicion of involvement in the 9/11 attacks turned out to be five Israeli Jews: Sivan Kurzberg, Paul Kurzberg (Sivan’s brother), Oded Ellner, Yaron Shmuel and Omer Marmari. Their white Urban Moving Systems van was stopped and they were arrested within hours of the attacks, on the afternoon of 9/11/01. Sivan Kurzberg, Ellner and Shmuel had been observed by several eyewitnesses at the rear parking lot of the Doric apartment complex in Union City, New Jersey. They were seen atop the van with cameras, high-fiving, smiling, joking with cries of joy and mockery, hugging each other, and taking photographs and video of the Twin Towers within a few minutes of the first plane impact.
Source: KURZBERG, SIVAN ET AL (FBI report), Section 5
In fact, they were seen filming atop the van before the local news radio station 1010 WINS had even broken the news of the first plane crash. The station actually had one of its sales team account executives on her cell phone to its newsroom before the first plane crashed after she noticed it was too low and was going to crash, and so were quickly able to patch her on air to provide a live report. When seen, Ellner was kneeling at the back of the van facing New York City with his camera and Kurzberg and Shmuel were facing him. After their film was developed and processed by the FBI, the photographs depicted all three Israelis visibly smiling. In one photo, Kurzberg could be seen flicking a lighter like he was at a rock concert as the North Tower burned in the background. This jovial celebration was taking place before the second impact, when innocent bystanders believed the incident was merely a tragic accident.
When arrested, the Israelis – dubbed the “High-Fivers” by the FBI – were found to have airline tickets with immediate travel dates for destinations world-wide, and tie-ins to 9/11.
Original source: The Record (Bergen County)
Early reports said that these “tie-ins” were “maps of the city” with “certain places highlighted” linking the Israelis to the “bombing plot”. Carl Cameron’s subsequent Fox News report of 12/12/01 told of a “highly placed investigator” who admitted that there were tie-ins, but refused to provide details. The investigator stated, “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified, I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It is classified information.” In other words, there is evidence linking them, but the investigator can’t confirm the early reports regarding maps because Israel is too high in the pecking order.
Marc Perelman of New York’s Jewish weekly The Forward reported on March 15, 2002 that the FBI had concluded that at least two of the Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, and their employer Urban Moving Systems Incorporated was a suspected intelligence front. On September 14, 2001, Urban’s owner Dominick Suter fled the U.S. for Israel. Perelman also tells on video of how he was able to confirm that, according to the FBI, two of the five Israelis were “Mossad agents”. Christopher Ketcham says the transcripts of the Carl Cameron report were later removed from the Fox News website following pressure from Abe Foxman of the ADL, and replaced with the rather Orwellian message: “This story no longer exists”.
The FBI documents on the five Israelis were heavily redacted before release, with the more politically sensitive parts blanked out and classified until 2030 or 2035. Nevertheless, the information retained shows that Paul Kurzberg worked for the Jewish Agency, and his brother Sivan’s job in Israel had involved hunting Arabs of whom the Zionist regime did not approve. The FBI documents also show how the NS-2C Unit of its “National Security Division” from FBI Headquarters, Washington, D.C., in a communication dated 09/24/2001, ordered FBI-Newark to call off its investigation of the Israelis and to “assist US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in any INS proceedings for the five Israeli Nationals in detention at the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, New York”. Dual US-Israeli citizen Michael Chertoff, who co-authored the USA Patriot Act” and headed the Justice Department’s Criminal Division in the aftermath of 9/11, is a prime suspect for pulling strings to get the Israelis released and sent home.
All three Israelis lied, providing conflicting alibis of how they came to be seen at the Doric parking lot within such a short time of the first plane crash. Their alibis were physically impossible, given the time available for one of them to receive a telephone call from a friend alerting him to the news of a plane crash, then to read about the event on the Israeli news site YNET.co.il and the U.S. site CNN.com on two of their moving company’s sixteen computers, then for the three of them to make the bizarre decision that it would be worth leaving their workplace – and risk the wrath of their boss who was “tight with money” and normally did not let his employees take his vans for personal use – to “document” for “history” a simple plane crash that no innocent person could have known would turn out to be the defining event of the turn of the century, to gather up their cameras which they luckily had with them at work that day and run out to their employer’s van, to drive through rush hour traffic on what is normally a four to five-minute journey as they thought of a suitable location on the fly, make a left turn into an apartment block and drive around to the rear parking lot, get out and climb onto the roof of the van with their cameras, ending up at a location where one of them (Sivan Kurzberg) had been sighted the previous day posing as a “construction worker”, all of this having to occur within a few minutes before the local news radio station had broken the news of the first plane crash.
In their first alibis, Shmuel claimed they were on the West Side Highway in New York City at the time of the “incident”, Kurzberg said they first climbed onto the Urban Moving Systems roof and were then stuck in heavy traffic before arriving at Doric, and Ellner claimed they stopped at a Gulf gas station on the way to Doric after hearing of the first plane crash. Ellner’s new, improved alibi was the variation in which he received a telephone call from a friend alerting him to the first plane crash, and two of the Israelis then spent “a few minutes” reading about the event on CNN.com and YNET.co.il before setting off to Doric.
In the real world, as opposed to some fantasy dreamed up by tinfoil conspiracy kooks or concocted by inveterate liars about nineteen Arabs with box cutters, events occur in a certain well-defined order that all observers can agree on, unless they are traveling at relativistic velocities or someone has invented a way of bending the local space-time manifold. Websites such as CNN.com did not carry the news until after 8:49:34, and the first reports were of a fire, not a plane crash. Traffic to news sites was so heavy that many servers collapsed.
CNN.com and the Israeli news site YNET.co.il did not have news posted about the first plane crash at a time such that several Israelis could browse the internet and read about it on Urban Moving’s computers for a “few minutes” (which would imply that there was already so much detail about the event on news sites that it must have been long after the first impact), then go on a four or five-minute journey through rush-hour traffic, make a left turn and drive around to a parking lot at the back of an apartment complex, jump out and climb onto the top of the van and turn on their cameras, all before the local AM news radio station 1010 WINS was able to broadcast its breaking news report from a WINS account executive who was on scene and actually on her cell phone to the WINS newsroom before the first plane crashed. And all in the time it takes for a Doric apartment resident to be prompted to look out of the window by the sound of the impact or explosion as the first plane slammed into the North Tower at approximately 8:46:30 a.m., to scan the area for a minute or two before observing the smoke from the WTC, then to “immediately” telephone her friend, and for her friend to grab her binoculars and look out of the window and see the three Israelis atop the van. No browsing the internet, leaving work to go on a drive through rush-hour traffic, or climbing onto the roof of a van required. And all in the time it takes another eyewitness at Doric to notice the disaster, to walk along to an apartment to inform his colleague within five minutes of the first impact, and for the colleague to stand up from painting the baseboard and look out of the window to see the three Israelis atop the van.
The Doric location afforded an excellent view of both the North and South Towers across the Hudson River in New York City, and was an ideal location for recording video footage of planes approaching each Tower – one from the north and one from the south. In contrast, the Urban Moving Systems office and warehouse was north of the World Trade Center, and although it provided a view of the top of the North Tower, it would have been a lousy choice for anyone planning to “document” an event that included a plane approaching from the south to crash into the South Tower. Moreover, the Israelis quickly left the parking lot after the second plane crash, which would be puzzling behavior for wannabe journalists who’d just seen two plane crashes and were not to know there wouldn’t be a third. At the time they were seen celebrating the first plane crash they were not out on a delivery or collection as part of their job. Oded Ellner later said on Israeli TV that their purpose was to “document the event”.
SOURCE:
http://www.takeourworldback.com/zionistcrimes.htm#nineeleven
good one, xanadu, excellent post.
albury smith is clearly a mossad asset, i don’t think we need bother with him anymore, he is here solely in order to gum up the discussion and waste maimum time.
one proof (i will use spaces in http in order to avoid sitting in penalty box for multiple links):
Why would a tiny country like Israel want to start wars with Muslims in the Middle East?
(h t t p://www.darkmoon.me/2012/911-bombshell-%e2%80%94-the-truth-about-911-will-destroy-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-14572)
… israel is sooo tiny and defenseless, c’mon guys please, it is just a smurf state, a lovable cartoon, please feel sorry for the whimpering fiddler on the roof, it only wishes to live in love + peace with arabs, we are all brothers, aren’t we
but then, at some later date in response to my quoting netanyahu’s sadistic glee at thousands of murdered gentiles and in full awareness that no jews perished in the twin towers demolition
Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel (my quote)
but here he blows his cover:
How does publicly stating an obvious fact implicate Israel in an al Qaeda suicide operation?
right.
obvious fact … he has no problem with obvious as long as it does not interfere with hasbara plan.
except this is the main logistical problem with lying: since lie is by definition at odds with facts, you can’t keep track of all the contradictions and it will eventually trip you up. no problem when in yiddish comfort circle, they hate the truth anyway, hate and fear it.
and then he has temerity to say this to me in the same post:
Logic isn’t your strong suit, is it?
yes it is, ignore my strong suit at your peril.
RE: ISRAEL
“I recently came across a remark by a Jesuit priest to the effect that “Every time I hear that Israel is America’s only friend in the Middle East, I remember that before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East” – a point well worth remembering.” – Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Demystifying 9/11: Israel and the Tactics of Mistake)
“People often ask about some new evidence or proof tying 9/11, in whole or in part, to Israel. Now I understand that there can never be absolute proof for some people barring a public confession from one of the Israeli planners or their American supporters, and that, I suspect, we will never obtain – although some of the statements made later in Israel by three of the Israelis arrested in Bergen, NJ filming the burning Twin Towers comes very close to that: One stated categorically that “our purpose was to document the event,” which should leave little doubt that they knew in advance of the attacks, whether or not they themselves personally had any further role in them.” – Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Demystifying 9/11: Israel and the Tactics of Mistake)
“…the Zionist capture of the US Government is for all intents and purposes complete. The Obama White House now speaks as Israel dictates, and not a person of consequence remains in the US Congress who will stand up and speak out against it.” – Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Palestine, Israel and America: The Strategic Void)
“The lock to that gate is not in Washington, it is in the heartland of America where the Zionists have as of yet remarkably little influence. And the key to that lock is the open wound today which is 9/11 and the wars it spawned. Nail them on 9/11 and the cover-up of it, nail them for the wars they contrived and the wars they want the US to wage on Israel’s behalf, nail them for the lives and treasure America has spent and the lives it has taken waging America’s Jewish Wars, nail them often and hard, and the Zionists may end up wishing Germany had won WWII.” – Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Palestine, Israel and America: The Strategic Void)
“So much links Israel to 9/11 – Only a public confession is missing.” – Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Israel’s Hidden Faces, A Long Day’s Night for Us All / Article, March 6th, 2011)
“One of the great ironies is that two decades after the Berlin Wall fell, Israel has been constructing an “Apartheid Wall” around and within occupied Palestine, to protect Jewish settlers and contain Palestinian resistance.” – Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Israel’s Hidden Faces, A Long Day’s Night for Us All / Article, March 6th, 2011)
“Few Americans therefore even suspect what much of the world knows: Israel, through the ownership of the mainstream media (MSM) and the leverage exercised by a hydra-headed pro-Israel lobby, effectively controls the US Government, especially the Congress. Indeed, the Congress has for decades accurately been described as “Israeli occupied territory.”
This is particularly true of candidates for the Presidency. No one today can be a serious contender for President from either major party without what have become obligatory pledges of fealty to Israel and laudatory appearances before major Jewish audiences.” – Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Israel’s Hidden Faces, A Long Day’s Night for Us All / Article, March 6th, 2011)
“…if we could “freeze frame” the CEOs of the largest U.S. Media companies in mid 2002, covering the aftermath of 9/11, the attack on Afghanistan and the lead-in to the war in Iraq, we would find that ten outspoken Zionists ran the vast majority of U.S. television networks and other media companies including movies, radio, and publishing at that time.
Note that all except Rupert Murdoch are Americans and Jewish; Murdoch is an Australian, apparently with one Jewish grandparent, but a fervent & influential Zionist nonetheless.” – Dr. Alan Sabrosky (Israel’s Hidden Faces, A Long Day’s Night for Us All / Article, March 6th, 2011)
Dr. Alan Sabrosky is an outspoken anti-Zionist Jew who writes articles for the website Veterans Today.
Indeed, according to a recent poll, Israel has a lot of fence mending ( or pulling down ) to do if truly wants to be considered anything other than a pariah state in the eyes of the world community.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/israel-as-popular-as-north-korea-according-to-bbc-poll.html
Why does Sabrosky know that Israel was behind the 9/11 suicide attacks, and no nation in the world does? Even al Qaeda thinks it was one of theirs.
You’d have to ask Mr Sabrosky himself why he thinks what he does as I’m not a mind reader.
When you say that no nation in the world thinks Israel might have been involved, I don’t think it should be necessary to point out that elected leaders often say things that they might not personally agree with, as well as saying things that the majority of their citizens disagree with. Many Government officials, serving and past, have in fact expressed doubt and concern over the official narrative. It does raise the question, also, where is the evidence that it was anyone BUT Israel? It is far from a unique opinion though, as is evidenced by this article, and apart from the opinion of many other respected people around the world, if i were to guess why he thinks as he does, I’d suggest it may in part be due to the experience he has, and I’d guess, without any real evidence that shows who is responsible, he might be employing the investigative technique of looking at Motive, Means, Opportunity.
Motive: >rense.com/general67/benefits.htm<
Means + Opportunity. I feel given past history of State attacks on others, it is undeniable that Israel would have equal, if not far greater means than anything a group of terrorists living in hiding could muster.
You might recall that shortly after Sept. 11 2001, we were promised we would soon see the evidence that would show conclusively who was in fact responsible, alas, that was never forthcoming. In the abscence of any real evidence to implicate anyone else, and given that many experts and people in the know, seem to believe it was other than Bin Laden, it would be remiss for investigators not to include Israel involvement in any investigations.
You say Even al Qaeda thinks it was one of theirs.
As far as I’m aware, the last official word from Bin Laden re the attacks, was in fact a denial. Perhaps you are referring to reports of a VHS video that was found in very fortuitous circumstances, that allegedly shows Bin Laden confessing, which was shortly after widely considered to be a fake.
>whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osamatape.htmlaangirfan.blogspot.com/2012/04/osamas-mother-and-other-family-members.html<
In fact, In Libya, Yemen, Syria, the USA Government has, and is actually arming known Al Quaeda fighters, so if Al Quaeda are terrorists, why is the USA supporting them?
There is obviously good reasons that Israel is so poorly regarded these days.
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/israel-as-popular-as-north-korea-according-to-bbc-poll.html
Regarding your questions about the "Dancing Israelis", Israel agents, I don't think the "hijackers" necessarily needed a ground crew, as you suggested, but the fact that they themselves said they were there to "document the event", plainly is evidence of foreknowledge. Which begs the question, if Israel knew what was about to happen, why didn't they warn America?
Well, we've seen how Israel benefits from the attacks, so perhaps that's why, but another question, given that Israel didn't warn America, why in the world does America continue to fund Israel to the tune of about 80% of its total overall foreign aid?
I've answered your questions to the best of my ability, although it is only my opinion, as I was not involved in the attacks, or in determining who was to be blamed as responsible. I feel the best people to direct questions towards would be those who would be in a position to know the answers, unfortunately, the Government has not only failed to provide evidence, it fails to respond to critical questions, or evidence that shows their account can not be true.
If you have any proof, that shows Israel could not have been involved, or any proof that shows Osama Bin Laden was in fact the mastermind, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could provide a link to such evidence.
I am still looking for one piece of irrefutable evidence that proves the governments case, surely, if it happened as they say, there must be something, there should be truckloads! What is it exactly that you are basing your arguments on, in support of the Government v's all the so far, officially unquestioned and non-responded to, evidence that supports a counter scenario?
Bin Laden: Yes, I did it
By David Bamber
12:01AM GMT 11 Nov 2001
OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa’eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.
In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that “history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents”.
In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre’s twin towers were a “legitimate target” and the pilots who hijacked the planes were “blessed by Allah”.
The killing of at least 4,537 people was justified, he claims, because they were “not civilians” but were working for the American system.
Bin Laden also makes a direct personal threat against Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, for the first time, and warns nations such as Australia, Germany and Japan to stay out of the conflict.
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The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and America’s new evidence against bin Laden, to be released this Wednesday.
The footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. It is believed to be intended as a rallying call to al-Qa’eda members.
In the video, bin Laden says: “The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country.”
The hijackers were “blessed by Allah to destroy America’s economic and military landmarks”. He freely admits to being behind the attacks: “If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically.”
In a contradictory section, however, bin Laden justifies killing the occupants of the Twin Towers because they were not civilians – Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians even in a holy war.
He says: “The towers were supposed to be filled with supporters of the economical powers of the United States who are abusing the world. Those who talk about civilians should change their stand and reconsider their position. We are treating them like they treated us.”
Bin Laden goes on to justify his entire terror campaign. “There are two types of terror, good and bad. What we are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them and whoever supports them.”
He directly threatens the lives of President Bush and Mr Blair. “Bush and Blair don’t understand anything but the power of force. Every time they kill us, we kill them, so the balance of terror can be achieved.” He also calls on all Muslims to join him. “It is the duty of every Muslim to fight. Killing Jews is top priority.”
Bin Laden warns other nations to keep out of the conflict, implying that they could face terror attacks if they do not.
In the video, he also claims responsibility for an unspecified terrorist outrage in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which he claims was sparked by secret messages in one of his videos.
He admits for the first time using public pronouncements on video to whip up terrorism – a danger about which the British and American governments have warned broadcasters.
It is significant that throughout the video he uses the personal pronouns “I” and “we” to claim responsibility for the attacks. In the past, he has spoken of the attackers only in the third person.
Bin Laden has publicly issued four previous videos since September 11, always denying carrying out the atrocities.
He now claims to have access to nuclear and chemical weapons. Bin Laden made the claims on Friday night during an interview with the English language Pakistani newspaper Dawn.
He said: “If America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent.”
Defence analysts dismissed these claims. They said that although bin Laden could have access to nuclear material through links with Pakistan or former Soviet republics, he was unlikely to have the technology to cause an explosion.
A Foreign Office spokesman said: “We know that he was looking for that capability. We believe he does not have it.”
Emergency powers to imprison suspected international terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be announced this week. The measure, which will require exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the reach of existing laws.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1362113/Bin-Laden-Yes-I-did-it.html
Yes Albury, that is the fake video I referred to in my comment.
There is more written here
>globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18923<
discussing the confession tape legitimacy, or otherwise, and it can not seriously be regarded as conclusive evidence. However, if it is to be given serious consideration, you'd have to also consider his later statements of denial, as legitimate, as does the CIA, and it raises the question of why he would confess to the crime, to only deny it later on. It's not logical, unless of course, they are fakes.
“The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and America’s new evidence against bin Laden, to be released this Wednesday.”
Yet no evidence was released that Wednesday, or any other Wednesday, or any other day of the week. There has been no irrefutable evidence to support the official case, and again I ask you, what evidence is it that on which you base your unequivocal belief in the official story?
Osama bin Laden has admitted his role in the 9/11 suicide attacks numerous times, and allegedly denied it once while in Afghanistan and in imminent danger from US airstrikes shortly after 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qloshSGAJ1s
He’s also clearly spelled out his reasons:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
The telegraph.co.uk link I posted also contains admissions and comments from bin Laden on motive.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1362113/Bin-Laden-Yes-I-did-it.html
Why hasn’t al Qaeda blamed Israel for 9/11 if they’re innocent of it? Why has no nation in the world claimed that Israel did it?
You’ve provided no evidence whatsoever, and are most likely not more knowledgeable than every intelligence agency and legitimate media source in the world.
So it was really 5 Israeli guys on the ground in NJ who hijacked and crashed the planes on 9/11, not the 19 Arabs who were actually on the flights? Despite the fabrications in your “Zionist Crimes” post, there’s no evidence at all that they had any foreknowledge of the al Qaeda suicide attacks, and the article provides no links corroborating that claim. They were apparently linked to Israeli intelligence, but were spying on Islamic terrorist groups in the US.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis
imo this is no longer a question whether israel did 9-11 and whether the dancing jews were part of the slaughter.
it is the question of albury’s agenda, since he, with equal zeal defends and promotes everything israel does while covering thier criminal tracks.
Two important links:
apart from lasha’s excellent post above, i recommend that you acquaint yourselves with this one as well.
let’s look at some of albury’s claims:
1. israel has no interest in stirring up trouble with arabs, it is just a tiny country
2. but then takes it as obvious that 911 was a great boon for israel
3. laments loudly and repeatedly for a 911 victim while trying to tar us with a guilt brush, a typical anne frankian maneuver, real yad vashem style weep-fest:
How on earth do you “bring justice” to Mr. McIlvaine’s remarkable and beloved son Robert G. …
Robert’s death was a tragic loss, and my profound sympathy for Mr. McIlvaine is hard to put into words …
You are not honoring the memory of Mr. McIlvaine’s highly successful and accomplished young son …
4. denies that 5 jew-dancers had anything to do with it
Please answer my question. The Israelis who were arrested, detained, and later deported DID NOT “set up their position before the two aircraft even hit the World Trade Centers,” and ONLY ONE eyewitness said anything at all about their behavior. They were asked by the NYPD what they were doing, and replied HONESTLY that they were recording the events of 9/11
… hm, in other words, too bad about young, talented, etc., robert g. macilvane’s tragic death but protecting the interests of zion comes first, lots more goy meat where that came from
5. so now let’s look at attributable sources and evidence (including the police radio dispatches) a bit closer … refer to that second link from the top.
The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers PRIOR to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards.
PRIOR, albury, as reported in new york times, so dig yourself and your co-talmudists out of this one
6. one of mossad operatives tries to mislead the police into closing a wrong tunnel while the others, dressed as palestinians bomb couple of other tunnels
One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York’s bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here’s the transcript from NBC News:
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There’s a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He’s dressed like an Arab.
7. more than one Urban Moving Van in opertion
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot.
contrast this with albury’s insistence (in the post where he claims i am weak on logic) that ONLY ONE witness claims to have seen them celebrating, thus impugning their testimony and by extension, our gullibility or kookiness.
8. police issue a “Be-on-the-Lookout” alert for a white mini-van heading for the city’s bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.
White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen CELEBRATING AFTER INITIAL impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.
When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious “middle-easterners” were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers: “We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.”
Hey albury, how did he know instantly who to blame, same as the mystery caller who saw some guy in “sheikh uniform mixing junk at Newark airport”? btw, back in lovely homeland, sivan kurzberg’s daily job is arab hunting, according to the fbi profile.
9. let albury impugn this source as well, jerusalem post
American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported.
“…two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge … The FBI … says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge.”
Note that the video download has been blocked … blame osama bin laden.
taken straight from that link
What’s really intriguing is that ABC’s 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel.
But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.
It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating “middle-easterners” in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five.
Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a “get-away van” to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 “mystery caller”.
A classic misdirection play.
so there you have it albury smith.
why don’t you tell us some more about poor, innocent mossadists who just wanted to take a couple of photos of themselves oozing tears for young, talented, radiant, etc, etc, robert g macilvane?
and what a great tiny talented, etc, etc country israel is.
and what a great employer you have.
The report of a van full of explosives was erroneous and very quickly corrected.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/A_truckload_of_explosives
Like the 5 allegedly dancing Israelis, what purpose did guys driving around with explosives serve on 9/11? Do you know of any bridges or other structures that were attacked by vehicles full of explosives on 9/11?
I’m retired, so I don’t have any employer, great or otherwise.
You still haven’t explained how guys driving around with explosives in a van – a report that was quickly found to have been false – fit into an al Qaeda suicide plan to crash airliners into buildings. Were other vehicles exploded on bridges or crashed into buildings on 9/11?
that link provided by smith is simon-wiesenthal-pure propaganda, full of self serving, self contradicting lies marshaled badly in service of damage control, what the site is all about.
note the lying jew steve gordon, the lawyer who represented the mossad agents (even albury smith concedes the mossad reality)
Mr. GORDON: They’re five young kids who–who left Israel, tried to leave a war zone, if you so will. They came to America. They came here, initially, for a vacation. They came here to work and they started work for a moving company.
yeah right. from lasha’s post above:
The FBI documents on the five Israelis were heavily redacted before release, with the more politically sensitive parts blanked out and classified until 2030 or 2035. Nevertheless, the information retained shows that Paul Kurzberg worked for the Jewish Agency, and his brother Sivan’s job in Israel had involved hunting Arabs of whom the Zionist regime did not approve
MILLER: Now, the witness that we interviewed said that they were acting very strangely.
Mr. GORDON: If her story is to be believed …
kol nidre in action, while lying with every pore, accuse others of lying.
how about this, brazen faced liars, from toronto globe and mail:
The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture.
but of course, while the thought police enforcing the protocols of zion busily scrubs all pages from internet, albury’s hasbara (911myths.com) gets all the limelight.
If I understand this yarn correctly, these 5 stupid Israelis were in on the al Qaeda plot to crash planes into the WTC and wanted everyone to know, so they went out and celebrated in public. The FBI was either too stupid to connect the dots, or were all in on it too, and only some anonymous Internet kook with a hatred of da’ Joos is smart enough to figure it all out. It even fooled al Qaeda, who still thinks that it was one of their suicide operations, just like the 2 coordinated US embassy suicide bombimgs in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in 1998, and the suicide attack on the USS Cole in 2000.
How fortunate that we have a 9/11 “truth movement”…
No. They were arrested and failed a polygraph test, and detained for quite a while until Michael Chertoff got them off. They appeared on Israeli TV, and the whole thing was written up in Forward. These guys were Israelis working for the Israelis, not al quesda. There was another group of Israelis, though, that were following Mohammed Atta around, living next door in Hollywood Florida, etc. In fact, there were so many Israelis doing so many things just around 9 11 that I have almost lost track. Oh and the security systems in the airports that let the guys on the plane were Israeli, but no one could ever sue the airport security for allowing terrorists onto planes because airport security was protected by the Patriot Act. But frankly maybe there never were any terrorists on the planes because the security tapes that showed this have the wrong date on the bottom. What a bungled cover up that was. FBI did find one passport though that survived the fireball of the plane and ended up on the streets of New York–that is, by the way, a key piece of evidence identifying who did the attacks.
You seem to have “almost lost track” of any corroboration for any of this nonsense too. If you think Suqami’s passport is “a key piece of evidence,” you’re also sadly mistaken; there was plenty of other evidence that would very quickly have put him on the preliminary FBI hijackers list. Did you find it equally suspicious that thousands of other combustible items from the planes survived the fireballs, and were scattered on the pavements below?
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/aircraftpartsnyc911
Did you find it equally suspicious that thousands of other combustible items from the planes survived the fireballs, and were scattered on the pavements below?
I find it extraordinarily suspicious that NO wreckage, of any of the planes, has ever been forensically matched aircraft said to have been destroyed that day.
Also,
Two 9/11 Airliners, Flight 93 and 175, Were Only Just Recently Taken Off The FAA ‘Active’ List
>rense.com/general68/911h.htm<
What irrefutable evidence is it that on which you base your unequivocal belief in the official story?
Why don’t you ask American and United Airlines what happened to their planes?
indeed, for once you are right, however unwittingly.
their job was to
1. film the crashes for further analysis – they were result of remotely controlled airliners operated through fts (flight termination systems) pods mounted under the jets’ fuselage as seen in many photographs. Prior to becoming pentagon’s comptroller under whose watch $2.3 trillion dollars mysteriously disappeared (ask albury, because rumsfeld was clueless, albury will state that osama bin laden stole the funds), dov zakheim headed the spc corporation that developed this drone guidance technology. In his spare time, he wrote a paper, included in pnac, that a pearl harbor type event was called on to advance the timetable of talmudic takeover of the us government.
2. they showed the typically jewish glee at the death of thousands of innocent gentiles, including one robert g. macilvane, so dear to albury smith (but not as dear as all things zionist), but pretended to be muslim/arab/palestinian
3. through a 9-1-1 emergency call, one tried to divert police attention to holland bridge connecting nyc to nj, while they drove explosive laden vans to washington and lincoln bridges, all the while dressed in arab garb. The idea, obviously was to cause further death and mayhem and bleame it on muslims, thereby fulfilling the “pearl harbor” requirement stated by dov zakheim that would lead to destruction of islamic nations of afghanistan, iraq, libya and present attempts to wipe out syria and iran, the loss of over 2 million innocent lives, not all of whom were named robert g. macilvane but as point of commonality were gentile, every single on of them. As always, jew is left to count blood profits and play eternal victim.
4. clearly, the 5 jews that were caught were part of a larger mossad operation that included the demolition of the twin towers and building 7, 3000 goy lives and practically 0 jewish (certainly not a single israeli died at ground zero) as well as missile attack on the comptroller’s office in pentagon in order to exonerate the boss.
You’ve obviously never read Rebuilding America’s Defenses if you think that it called for a “new Pearl Harbor,” unless you’re just being deliberately dishonest:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
The 9/11 attacks actually drew hundreds of billions of dollars away from the high-tech military projects that were advocated, and into asymmetrical warfare in 2 backward countries.
Section V of Rebuilding America’s Defenses, entitled “Creating Tomorrow’s Dominant Force”, includes the sentence: “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor” (51).[14]
If not a call, it at the very least was very clairvoyant. What high-tech military project did not go ahead specifically because of those attacks?
Asymmetrical warfare? As in unbalanced, one sided? backward countries? I’m not sure it was all that asymmetrical given that the Americas finest are having trouble winning these wars against backward countries that have no Navy, no Air Force and no Army.
The plans to attack and invade Iraq, were discussed by Bush two years prior to the Sept 11 attacks, and in fact, Gen Westley Clark explains how there was a plan to invade and take over 7 countries in 5 years.
>willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/7-countries-in-5-yearsihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p119_Stolley.html<
I forgot,
the fact that the Patriot Act was written up before the attacks
>georgewashington.blogspot.de/2006/12/before-911.html< is also suggestive of the fact they were just waiting for "something" to happen.
I gave you the link to the document YOU cited. Instead of asking me what it says, READ IT.
No, I asked for irrefutable evidence. You provided a useless link to a NIST report. NIST offer what they believe is PROBABLE.
Science has proven their beliefs to be delusional and IMPOSSIBLE. NIST have nothing credible to offer, there are many experts that refute their findings. I’d ask you to try harder, but that would be a waste of my time, and yours, but frankly, that seems to be what you do best, so I doubt that would bother you.
As you have absolutely nothing intelligent to offer, and tend to believe things in the absence of anything that could be described as credible evidence, I don’t think I’ll benefit at all from any further engagement with you. As you refuse to employ common sense, facts, science and logic in your arguments, your personal intellectual turmoil is none of my concern.
This is the link YOU cited:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
You obviously haven’t read it or NCSTAR 1A, but what, pray tell, is “delusional and IMPOSSIBLE” in the latter? Are you even capable of explaining what the NIST WTC 7 collapse hypothesis is?
oh yeah …
… i like this too
The 9/11 attacks actually drew hundreds of billions of dollars away from the high-tech military projects that were advocated, and into asymmetrical warfare in 2 backward countries
which 2 backward countries, i wonder / ok, afghanistan is one, where might jewsa is getting its forward ass kicked because, unlike alexander the great and others with more brains than firepower, noahideous think that they can hose the enemy with money launchers.
and the other backward country?
would be the same one that threatened the mighty usa with nuclear magic mushroom clouds over its cities, suburban soccer fields strafed by thousands of islamofascist drones (hey albury, give us a link, authenticated by rita katz as usual, to osama video where he thunders in broken yiddish about these things), weapons of very mass deception, et cetera, ad nauseam.
or are you gainsaying the brightest, most heroic potus of all, who also served honorably in vietnam, shoulder to shoulder with other such heroes (don’t take it personally, i might just as well be talking about cheney, rumsfeld, wolfowitz, kristol tag team, perle, feith, (elliot) abrams, zakheim, libby, rubin, podhoretz, frum, foxman … the “a” team, all star commandos).
if you deny it, then you are a … DENIER!!!
i claim that they and 6 million other jews served in vietnam, gulf-1, afhganistan, iraq, libya and are ready and willing, nay, eager ZEALOTS to march on command into syria and iran (and afghanistan and russia and china …).
and why, what is the source of such fervor?
read Dual Patriot Act.
I was obviously referring to Afghanistan and Iraq, 2 nations that could hardly be described as developed superpowers. I’m sure you’ve noticed by now that the evil US no longer has a military presence in Iraq, and is disengaging from Afghanistan after wasting a couple of trillion dollars in them, so what do you think was gained from 9/11, and especially from the WTC building collapses?
Your comments about US presidents who are ‘nam vets, Jews who served in the military, the Patriot Act, the “Dual” Patriot Act (whatever that is), etc. are too incoherent for a response.
talk about deliberate dishonesty
The 9/11 attacks actually drew hundreds of billions of dollars away from the high-tech military projects that were advocated, and into asymmetrical warfare in 2 backward countries
at first it seemed that you come equipped with some research backing, maybe courtesy of some bank of analysts at wherever, mossad or one of its minor branches like cia.
but more and more it becomes clear that you are just shovelling crap and hoping to pass unnoticed, the old jewish tactic.
say a lie, get caught, so what, there is always a fallback position, beat a retreat without flinching, no sign of embarrassment, kol nidre training makes you a pro. and so on, down to a shriveled zero, the more you shrink, the more you resort to invective (“you people are sick”).
a brief history of us “defense” budget (do rapists get victim counseling?)
h t t p://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904490.html
(remove spaces in “h t t p”, i want to outwit not await moderation)
year billions
2000 311.7
2001 307.8
2002 328.7
2003 404.91
2004 455.91
2005 495.31
2006 535.91
2007 527.41
2008 494.41
2009 494.31
in more detail below
h t t p://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-134258319.html
For fiscal year (FY) 2005, military spending will be nearly $500 billion, which is greater in real terms than during any of the Reagan years and surpassed only by spending at the end of World War II in 1945 and 1946 and during the Korean War in 1952. The White House is asking for an FY 2006 Department of Defense (DOD) budget of $413.9 billion, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE FUNDING FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN.
…
The rest of the war aimed at dismantling and degrading the al Qaeda terrorist network will require unprecedented international intelligence and law enforcement cooperation, not expensive new planes, helicopters, and warships.
…
According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), in 2003 (the last year for which there is comparative worldwide data) total U.S. defense expenditures were $404.9 billion. This amount exceeded the combined defense expenditures of the next 13 countries and was more than double the combined defense spending of the remaining 158 countries in the world
and most of that money goes to jewish defense contractors, it does not include direct handouts to israel.
wow, i feel so damn safe, don’t you?
the only reason we haven’t been attacked by papua-new guinea (never again).
h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
For the 2010 fiscal year, the president’s base budget of the Department of spending on “overseas contingency operations” brings the sum to $663.84 billion.
When the budget was signed into law on October 28, 2009, the final size of the Department of Defense’s budget was $680 billion, $16 billion more than President Obama had requested.
The recent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were largely funded through supplementary spending bills outside the Federal Budget, so they are not included in the military budget figures listed below
a little example of what happens on year-to-year basis
Research, Development,
Testing & Evaluation $79.1 billion +1.3%
Family Housing $3.1 billion −20.2%
hey, you are allegedly a nam vet, these figures must be dear to your heart, no?
family housing accounts for less than 1/25th of rabbi zakheim’s r+d and even at that it took a 20% nosedive.
keep dancing internet hora, maybe you and the family get an extra portion of fermented carp.
everybody stand up and salute the neverending wars for the jews.
and let’s not talk violence (when jews do it, it is called “defense”), jews tender sensitivities are easily offended, pentagon must have a supplementary $200 billion budget to combat “hate speech”.
calling all troll heroes to action, eretz yisroel cowers in existential angst …
Are you ever going to READ Rebuilding America’s Defenses, or just continue to misrepresent what it says? Pissing away hundreds of billions of dollars in Afghanistan and Iraq was not on the neocons’ wish list; they were advocating an extremely expensive overhaul of our major defense systems that are used in conventional wars against developed countries, i.e. high-tech planes, ships and munitions, and the money for that went to nation building. There was also no need or desire expressed for a “new Pearl Harbor.”
pnac is a byproduct of clean break
the ziocons ultimate desire is to subjugate all nations still outside their control, starting with the muslim ones nearest to israel: iraq, syria, libya, iran, pakistan.
how about reading the clean break?
ultimately, the war will move to russia and china.
this is the grand idea, the promise of talmud, as karl marx called it … do you need a link to that too?
here
(actually, the letter was from baruch levy to karl marx, not the other way around but the very fact that correspondence like this regularly took place tells you all you need to know about marx’s interests)
the point being that you “hundreds of billions lost” will never be lost.
your people will bleed america as dry as the victims of their passover human sacrifices. to the last penny.
unless the masses wake up and smell imminent starvation, but even then it may be way too late, the mercenaries of xe-blackwater (now a division of monsanto) will take care of that little antisemitic problem.
how about pissing away $2.3 TRILLION
watch here how ONE DAY BEFORE 9-11 rumsfeld admits that $2.3 trillion are unaccounted for, in the domain of key pnac author dov zakheim previously ceo of spc corp whose principal product is remote plane guidance sytems and whose office investigating the missing $2.3 trillion was wiped out on 9-11 along with all documentation.
it just so happened that rabbi zakheim was out of the office that day, just as silverstein for the first time missed having his customary breakfast at the top of the twin tower restaurant.
11 years later, still no clue of what happened to the missing funds … it’s ok to attack iraq on pretext of searching for wmd but searching israel for our $2.3 trillion is out of question. not kosher.
watch now how albury explains that it was all just a funny coincidence: rumsfeld announcement one day, 911 the next, wipeout of investigating office, demolition of middle east, everybody happy except the 911 truthers.
in rabbi’s own words: the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor
hey, but with a little help from yhwh and mossad, the rabbi came out a magical winner.
just a coincidence.
just a set of 100+ coincidences, each very weird on its own, impossible in the lifespan of the universe to happen simultaneously within one day.
but try explaining this principle to albury smith.
btw, out of 27 authors of pnac doc, 18 are clearly jews.
another coincidence.
rumsfeld speech, forgot to embed
http://vodpod.com/watch/1969860-rumsfeld-2-3-trillion-dollars-missing-pentagon-1-day-b49-11
Good grief…
Rumsfeld gave away the plot one day before 9/11? To a sane and rational person, he was doing what a SecDef should do, i.e. express concern over lax accounting procedures in the DoD. It would take a lot more than a plane crash to wipe out all of the records of decades of accounting irregularities, overbilling, waste, corruption, etc. in defense spending.
Please substantiate your claim that there were 18 Jewish participants on Thomas Donnelly’s PNAC team.
You still haven’t explained how the al Qaeda suicide attacks of 9/11 fulfilled any of the wishes expressed in the PNAC’s Rebuilding America’s Defenses. I’d also like to know what difference you think no NYC building collapses on 9/11 would have made.
no collapsed buildings (or blown up bridges) and in general, no false flag mass murders blamed on muslims translate directly into no middle east invasions, occupations, genocides, destruction of infrastructures and social degradation.
iraq and libya are socialist, prosperous, with good standard of living, freedom and equality for women, good, free health care and education.
afghanistan was struggling but taliban had at least wiped out opium trade and crime.
and peace and prosperity among gentiles is considered a tragedy by jews,
so
always in history as now they take remedial measures, in tzarist russia, austro-hungarian and ottoman empires, world wars, poisoning societies through corruption at the top and trickling down through control and manipulation of public opinion through media, justice, entertainment, arts and academia.
so collapsed buildings, assassinations and atrocities while blaming it on others is something they’ve been experts at for a long time.
There were no blown up bridges, and the catastrophic property damage and loss of life without any NYC building collapses on 9/11 would have resulted in exactly the same US foreign policy decisions. President Obama has set a timeline for troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the US is not occupying Iraq, Libya, or any other M.E. country. I never supported Bush’s Iraq blunder, but don’t understand what you think the US gained from it or from attacking al Qaeda and the Taliban after 9/11.
There are atrocities in the news practically every day in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc., and few to none of them have any connection to da’ Joos you hate so much. The EIJ assassination of Sadat did, however, since he had just signed a peace treaty with Israel.
the rubble was carted off and disposed of with suspicious haste, amounting to destruction of evidence.
i spoke to a nyc taxi driver (a joo, as a matter of fact) who told me police stopped him from taking a photo of twin towers steel being trucked on its way to the barge.
therefore, it may well be that your precious nist investigation would have found it much more difficult to sell the story of 19 blethering jihadists carrying out such a sophisticated operation, pressures could have mounted to examine other aspects, like the joo airport security services that “let the jihadists in”, gross norad failure to intercept the airliners.
moreover, there ar stories (i admit i don’t know much about that) of armored vans carrying stuff out of the u/g garage that belonged to some offices upstairs (we can look it up), the stuff that was presumably declared missing and covered by liability insurance policies.
the loss of life may have been relatively insignificant w/o collapse, the graphic impact not as powerful and the pnac war party would not have got their pearl harbor moment necessary for a unilateral invasion of iraq and afghanistan.
patriot act, homeland security, wholesale rape of the constitution that took place afterwards (bush: “it’s just a goddam piece of paper”, subsequently amply confirmed by obama), rendition, torture, anonymous assassination of anyone, including americans (well, not everyone, our favorite tribe is off-limits), all these zionist machinations may have been forestalled if the sale of 911 narrative had hit a snag.
remember “shock and awe”?
it applies to americans, primarily, through 911 choreography.
a plane or two smacking into side of a building, leaving all sorts of traces available for forensics with minimal loss of life wouldn’t have done the trick.
in fact, the phrase “shock and awe” comes from hebrew shekinah, which represents some kind of divine female entity that brings enlightenment
Yhwh shall cause His Shekinah to shine for thee
i think it is a jewish joke upon the goys.
anyways, it would have been a second rate shekinah had the buildings remaind upright and the death toll minor.
as for atrocities in libya and syria, they were entirely engineered by zio-west, let’s leave that aside for the moment, but just recall that disgusting noahide butch hillary clinton tossing her head back and laughing as gaddafi was diabolically tortured to death, “we came, we saw, he died”
and us left iraq … how nice, how humane, good observation albury, what does it prove, what a nice bunch ziocons are?
certainly iraq is a much better country, just like libya, after the visit by liberating cavalry, one thing neither of them has to worry about is managing their oil resources.
and the treasures of baghdad museum are now in safe hands too (just a little aside).
and isn’t it interesting that all the new administrations in iraq and libya (formerly known as al-qaeda mercenaries) are now friends with israel and that the al-qaeda mercenaries gathering like vultures outside syria promise to normalize relations with israel (e.g., no claim to golan heights) as soon as they are in power.
What would not have been “suspicious haste,” according to you? Numerous PANYNJ, SEAoNY, FEMA BPAT, ASCE, NSF, and other engineers were on the WTC site during the entire ~8 months of cleanup, along with ~40,000 other people at one time or another, including experienced demolition contractors, and evidence of explosives would have been impossible for any of them to have missed. If any WTC building had been explosively demolished, millions of people would have known about it even without seeing evidence in the debris, since the sounds would have been heard many miles away. The scrap steel was worth ~$10 million for every 100,000 tons, and there was simply no reason to move and store hundreds of thousands of tons of it at huge expense just to satisfy twoofers.
The “gross NORAD failure” is very clearly explained by this timeline:
http://cleartheskies.com/timeline.html
Your speculation on the difference between collapses and no collapses is totally unfounded; no nation with a military would tolerate even one high-profile hijacking and crash into an iconic building that resulted in hundreds of innocent people being killed, and 9/11 was part of an escalating series of suicide attacks from the same group. If Bush had just been looking for an excuse to attack al Qaeda, the investigation of the suicide attack on the USS Cole gave him one just before he took office, and Clinton most likely would have retaliated if he hadn’t been in his last month. Please note that the same GOP that you claim is so trigger-happy faulted Clinton for the Tomahawk missile strikes in 1998 after the 2 embassy suicide bombings, and failed to respond at all to the Cole attack.
I guess it’s “interesting” that Iraq and Libya aren’t currently threatening Israel, but I’m sure they won’t disappoint you indefinitely, especially if Islamic fundamentalism gains a foothold. What you think the US has gained by any of its recent interventions in the M.E. is beyond me.
@ Heroay
Heroay: I’m not quite sure what point you’re making…? As far as I know, no one has been banned from posting on darkmoon.me. I personally have banned no one, if only for the reason that I don’t own this site and have no power to ban anyone. The editor has often declared darkmoon.me “a free speech zone” but has reserved the right to delete comments in exceptional circumstances. This is when commenters recommend the total extermination of the Jews in post after post or preach violence. Such comments, usually coming from Zionist trolls, are seen as mischievous attempts to bring darkmoon.me into disrepute and get it shut down. Sincere best wishes, Lasha
We don’t want this site to be a magnet for morons and intellectual skinheads.
now i know why sara silver(not-wo)man doesn’t post too often, because she preaches violence?
otherwise, some goy comedian might say something like
“i hope nazis killed anne frank. i’d fucking do it in a second again”.
har, har, har, go morons and intellectual skinheads.
@ Albury Smith (May 21, 2012 at 11:29 am)
No, he has NOT “admitted his role in the 9/11 suicide attacks numerous times”. He denied it TWICE in the most emphatic terms (on Septermber 17 and September 28, 2001 — and then he was killed.
All subsequent Bin Laden tapes claiming responsibilty for 9/11 have been PROVEN FAKES.
Period.
I note that Darkmoon has kept a pretty low profile all during this heated debate on 9/11, posting only one comment. I find this disappointing. However, I googled around and found that she had written written an article some time ago about Bin Laden.
This is what she has to say on the Bin Laden fake tapes:
Though many taped messages have purportedly been issued by Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri, not one of them after September 9, 2002 has been authenticated as genuine by independent experts such as the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, based in Martigny, Switzerland. (Institut Dalle Molle d’Intelligence Artificielle Perceptive, now the IDIAP Research Institute).
For further details of doctored bin Laden tapes, see here, here, here and here. [Links]
The only “experts” to validate the later bin Laden tapes have been those same intelligence agencies whose reputation for deceiving the public is now legendary.
Thus genuine videotapes delivered to al-Jazeera TV in late 2001, featuring an emaciated and white-bearded bin Laden disclaiming responsibility for 9-11, offer a bizarre contrast to the obviously fake bin Laden video tape of November 9, 2001—a tape conveniently “discovered” by American soldiers in an abandoned house in Jalalabad. Here a suspiciously plump and black-bearded Osama is suddenly found fessing up to 9-11.
Bin Laden was not a man given to lying. On September 17, 2001 he issued a message to al-Jazeera, disclaiming all responsibility for 9-11.
(PICTURE OF BIN LADEN)
“I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation.” (17 Sept. 2001)….“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks… (28 Sept. 2001). See here and here. [Links]
Bin Laden is now almost certainly dead. An obituary notice announcing his funeral appeared in Al-Wafd (an Egyptian newspaper) on December 26, 2001. It became perfectly safe after this date to issue bogus bin Laden tapes ad nauseam, threatening the west with fire and brimstone, given that the real Osama was no longer around to deny the authenticity of the same tapes.
All these fake tapes and phoney bin Laden lookalikes are surely signs of acute desperation. The perpetrators of Abu Ghraib have not only lost the moral high ground — they have lost the war on terror.
See original source HERE:
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/12/%E2%80%98death-to-america%E2%80%99-a-new-poem-by-osama-bin-laden/
Al Qaeda failed to mention that OBL was already dead last May, and promised revenge against the US for the SEAL attack that killed him. The Pakistani government also agreed that Navy SEALs killed him on May 2, 2012. Every nation in the world agrees with that assessment, as do all of the legitimate media worldwide.
Twoofers must be really special people, huh?
the same al-qaeda that with nato money, arms and surveillance help toppled gaddafi and laid waste to libya, securing its resources for the zio-west?
the same al-qaeda that is today attempting to pull a similar abomination in syria?
yes, the same al-qaeda, white house’s private death squad.
who was it that originally set it up to push ussr out of afghan, cheney? … while rumsfeld was selling monsanto’s war chemicals to saddam.
yeah, the real axis of evil … tel aviv, washington, london.
and at every juncture, jews overseeing the work of lesser butchers.
so you think this al-qaeda will speak the plain truth independently …
This al Qaeda:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
You have a habit of mixing facts and fiction, lobro.
Donald Rumsfeld was CEO of Searle when the US was selling agricultural fertilizer to Iraq in the late ’80s. The US had sided with Iraq against Iran because of the hostage taking incident a decade earlier. Monsanto acquired Searle in 1990 and Rumsfeld left. Fertilizer can be used to make chemical weapons, but it’s simply dishonest to claim that US industry sold war chemicals to anyone, and that the former CEO of an acquired company was involved in the transactions. Ramzi Yousef’s 1993 WTC bomb was made with fertilizer, and there’s no evidence to suggest that the manufacturer makes it for that purpose.
The US also covertly armed and backed the Afghan mujaheddin during the Soviet occupation in the ’80s. They did not back al Qaeda, and knew little to nothing about OBL and his Arab-Afghans, who were more of a nuisance than a help to the real Afghan freedom fighters being aided by the US, since they were more interested in Islamic ideology and martyrdom than in killing Soviet troops and winning the war. Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, and the Saudis asked the US to intervene, so Saddam was no longer considered an ally. Da’ Joos had little to do with any of this.
Here you are, Albury. No need for you to argue the toss with these guys. This article demolishes the 9/11 conspiracy therorists’ claptrap once and for all. It proves the truth of the official version of events, point by point.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=76025
Lots of Jews died in that event, including a whole bunch Jewish schoolkids I was shepherding that day on a school trip. This was never mentioned at the time. Still hasn’t been because of the parents’ desire for anonymity and discretion.
Thanks Yakob; that’s a keeper. There is nothing to confirm your Jewish schoolkids story, however.
That article demolishes nothing. Devoid of any evidence, no wonder Albury says its a “keeper”
“including a whole bunch Jewish schoolkids I was shepherding that day on a school trip. ”
Prove it, LIAR
“There is nothing to confirm your Jewish schoolkids story, however.”
Nothing to confirm your Muslim Boxcutter story either. SHILL
If you need a user name like “Building What,” then please explain the motive for the alleged demolition of WTC 7.
“please explain the motive for the alleged demolition of WTC 7″ – Securities and Exchange Commission in Building 7, which contained derivatives contracts which could have seen the US collapse economically like it did in 08-09? Max Keiser on insider trading on the day of 9/11. Here’s just one video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J3qyDQU7ic
Was it Muslims with box-cutters who were capable of the “put options” on the airliners that day?
Gee, how did you know that the SEC only had one office, that they had no electronic network, and that they were all in on 9/11?
massively intelligent answer.
9-11 official hallucination can never be questioned again after this reply, i am now a 100% believer.
arabs did it, israel did not in any way profit, trillions were lost in defense contracts, muslim world is much better off, all the illuminati jews lost huge wads of money, the bankers, the insider traders, the truth is laid bare for all to see, the dancing mossadists did their heroic best to save the towers which fell as they should have, jampacked with ever suffering jews, netanyahu said “it is good (for muslims)”, no information has ever been redacted or kept hidden.
guys, co-truthers, let’s pack it in and go home.
the latest truth coming out of tel washington is that iran did 9-11.
zionists are not our problem. their problem is our problem. palestinians are our problem.
it is tuesday, it means palestinians did 9-11.
if it is friday, it means iraqis did 9-11.
sunday, iran did 9-11.
wednesday, germany did 9-11.
monday, you are a Denier.
i say the time is to repay those ingluoriuos basterds, let ahmedinejad’s head feel the wrath of luisville slugger in hands of sandy koufax.
fellow retards, let’s roll!
The building trades unions profited from the attacks, so they must have done it, huh? What governments and media in the world are as enlightened as you are, and don’t believe that 9/11 was another al Qaeda suicide attack on the West? Pakistan? Yemen? Saudi Arabia? Please feel free to list all of them.
actually, it is all very clear now.
the reason the towers fell into their footprint as if due to explosive demolition and no jewish victims were located is that islamofascists were operating gas chambers and crematoria inside the buildings so that explosive cyanide and zyrkon-b blew the buildings up in manner of professional demolition and of course the reason no jews were ever found to have perished.
thanks for the clue, yakob, hope you saved those kids shoes for display in holoseums around the world.
The reason the towers fell is clearly explained in NCSTAR 1, and is corroborated by eyewitness accounts and the collapse videos. If you think they fell into their footprints, you’re probably looking at the wrong videos. This one may help you understand the difference:
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/WTC_Not_A_Demolition