Top Israeli scientist says Ashkenazi Jews came from Khazaria, not Palestine

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An Israeli geneticist challenges the “Zionist” hypothesis that all Jews belong to one race and are intimately related, thus giving them a common ancestor in the Holy Land and a Biblical claim to Palestine. 

Scientists usually don’t call each other “liars” and “frauds.”

But that’s how Johns Hopkins University post-doctoral researcher Eran Elhaik describes a group of widely respected geneticists, including Harry Ostrer, professor of pathology and genetics at Yeshiva University’s Albert Einstein College of Medicine and author of the 2012 book “Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People.”

For years now, the findings of Ostrer and several other scientists have stood virtually unchallenged on the genetics of Jews and the story they tell of the common Middle East origins shared by many Jewish populations worldwide. Jews — and Ashkenazim in particular — are indeed one people, Ostrer’s research finds.

It’s a theory that more or less affirms the understanding that many Jews themselves hold of who they are in the world: a people who, though scattered, share an ethnic-racial bond rooted in their common ancestral descent from the indigenous Jews of ancient Judea or Palestine, as the Romans called it after they conquered the Jewish homeland.

But now, Elhaik, an Israeli molecular geneticist, has published research that he says debunks this claim. And that has set off a predictable clash.

“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics, referring to Elhaik.

The sometimes strong emotions generated by this scientific dispute stem from a politically loaded question that scientists and others have pondered for decades: Where in the world did Ashkenazi Jews come from?

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The debate touches upon such sensitive issues as whether the Jewish people is a race or a religion, and whether Jews or Palestinians are descended from the original inhabitants of what is now the State of Israel.

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Ostrer’s theory is sometimes marshaled to lend the authority of science to the Zionist narrative, which views the migration of modern-day Jews to what is now Israel, and their rule over that land, as a simple act of repossession by the descendants of the land’s original residents. Ostrer declined to be interviewed for this story. But in his writings, Ostrer points out the dangers of such reductionism; some of the same genetic markers common among Jews, he finds, can be found in Palestinians, as well.

By using sophisticated molecular tools, Feldman, Ostrer and most other scientists in the field have found that Jews are genetically homogeneous. No matter where they live, these scientists say, Jews are genetically more similar to each other than to their non-Jewish neighbors, and they have a shared Middle Eastern ancestry.

The geneticists’ research backs up what is known as the Rhineland Hypothesis. According to the hypothesis, Ashkenazi Jews descended from Jews who fled Palestine after the Muslim conquest in the seventh century and settled in Southern Europe. In the late Middle Ages they moved into eastern Europe from Germany, or the Rhineland.

“Nonsense,” said Elhaik, a 33-year-old Israeli Jew from Beersheba who earned a doctorate in molecular evolution from the University of Houston. The son of an Italian man and Iranian woman who met in Israel, Elhaik, a dark-haired, compact man, sat down recently for an interview in his bare, narrow cubicle of an office at Hopkins, where he’s worked for four years.

In “The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses,” published in December in the online journal Genome Biology and Evolution, Elhaik says he has proved that Ashkenazi Jews’ roots lie in the Caucasus — a region at the border of Europe and Asia that lies between the Black and Caspian seas — not in the Middle East. They are descendants, he argues, of the Khazars, a Turkic people who lived in one of the largest medieval states in Eurasia and then migrated to Eastern Europe in the 12th and 13th centuries. Ashkenazi genes, Elhaik added, are far more heterogeneous than Ostrer and other proponents of the Rhineland Hypothesis believe. Elhaik did find a Middle Eastern genetic marker in DNA from Jews, but, he says, it could be from Iran, not ancient Judea.

Elhaik writes that the Khazars converted to Judaism in the eighth century, although many historians believe that only royalty and some members of the aristocracy converted. But widespread conversion by the Khazars is the only way to explain the ballooning of the European Jewish population to 8 million at the beginning of the 20th century from its tiny base in the Middle Ages, Elhaik says.

Elhaik bases his conclusion on an analysis of genetic data published by a team of researchers led by Doron Behar, a population geneticist and senior physician at Israel’s Rambam Medical Center, in Haifa. Using the same data, Behar’s team published in 2010 a paper concluding that most contemporary Jews around the world and some non-Jewish populations from the Levant, or Eastern Mediterranean, are closely related.

Elhaik used some of the same statistical tests as Behar and others, but he chose different comparisons. Elhaik compared “genetic signatures” found in Jewish populations with those of modern-day Armenians and Georgians, which he uses as a stand-in for the long-extinct Khazarians because they live in the same area as the medieval state.

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of Behar’s co-authors, of Elhaik’s paper. Hammer notes that Armenians have Middle Eastern roots, which, he says, is why they appeared to be genetically related to Ashkenazi Jews in Elhaik’s study.

Hammer, who also co-wrote the first paper that showed modern-day Kohanim are descended from a single male ancestor, calls Elhaik and other Khazarian Hypothesis proponents “outlier folks… who have a minority view that’s not supported scientifically. I think the arguments they make are pretty weak and stretching what we know.”

Feldman, director of Stanford’s Morrison Institute for Population and Resource Studies, echoes Hammer. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

Elhaik’s statistical analysis would not pass muster with most contemporary scholars, Feldman said: “He appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data.”

Elhaik, who doesn’t believe that Moses, Aaron or the 12 Tribes of Israel ever existed, shrugs off such criticism.

“That’s a circular argument,” he said of the notion that Jews’ and Armenians’ genetic similarities stem from common ancestors in the Middle East and not from Khazaria, the area where the Armenians live. If you believe that, he says, then other non-Jewish populations, such as Georgian, that are genetically similar to Armenians should be considered genetically related to Jews, too, “and so on and so forth.”

Dan Graur, Elhaik’s doctoral supervisor at U.H. and a member of the editorial board of the journal that published his paper, calls his former student “very ambitious, very independent. That’s what I like.” Graur, a Romanian-born Jew who served on the faculty of Tel Aviv University for 22 years before moving 10 years ago to the Houston school, said Elhaik “writes more provocatively than may be needed, but it’s his style.” Graur calls Elhaik’s conclusion that Ashkenazi Jews originated to the east of Germany “a very honest estimate.”

In a news article that accompanied Elhaik’s journal paper, Shlomo Sand, history professor at Tel Aviv University and author of the controversial 2009 book “The Invention of the Jewish People,” said the study vindicated his long-held ideas.

”It’s so obvious for me,” Sand told the journal. “Some people, historians and even scientists, turn a blind eye to the truth. Once, to say Jews were a race was anti-Semitic, now to say they’re not a race is anti-Semitic. It’s crazy how history plays with us.”

The paper has received little coverage in mainstream American media, but it has attracted the attention of anti-Zionists and “anti-Semitic white supremacists,” Elhaik said.

Interestingly, while anti-Zionist bloggers have applauded Elhaik’s work, saying it proves that contemporary Jews have no legitimate claim to Israel, some white supremacists have attacked it.

David Duke, for example, is disturbed by the assertion that Jews are not a race. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have… developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” wrote the former Ku Klux Klansman and former Louisiana state assemblyman on his blog in February.

“I’m not communicating with them,” Elhaik said of the white supremacists.

He says it also bothers him, a veteran of seven years in the Israeli army, that anti-Zionists have capitalized on his research “and they’re not going to be proven wrong anytime soon.”

But proponents of the Rhineland Hypothesis also have a political agenda, he said, claiming they “were motivated to justify the Zionist narrative.”

To illustrate his point, Elhaik swivels his chair around to face his computer and calls up a 2010 email exchange with Ostrer.

“It was a great pleasure reading your group’s recent paper, ‘Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era,’ that illuminate[s] the history of our people,” Elhaik wrote to Ostrer. “Is it possible to see the data used for the study?”

Ostrer replied that the data are not publicly available. “It is possible to collaborate with the team by writing a brief proposal that outlines what you plan to do,” he wrote. “Criteria for reviewing include novelty and strength of the proposal, non-overlap with current or planned activities, and non-defamatory nature toward the Jewish people.”

That last requirement, Elhaik argues, reveals the bias of Ostrer and his collaborators.

Allowing scientists access to data only if their research will not defame Jews is “peculiar,” said Catherine DeAngelis, who edited the Journal of the American Medical Association for a decade. “What he does is set himself up for criticism: Wait a minute. What’s this guy trying to hide?”

Despite what his critics claim, Elhaik says, he was not out to prove that contemporary Jews have no connection to the Jewish people of the Bible. His primary research focus is the genetics of mental illness, which, he explains, led him to question the assumption that Ashkenazi Jews are a useful population to study because they’re so homogeneous.

Elhaik says he first read about the Khazarian Hypothesis a decade ago in a 1976 book by the late Hungarian-British author Arthur Koestler, “The Thirteenth Tribe,” written before scientists had the tools to compare genomes.

Koestler, who was Jewish by birth, said his aim in writing the book was to eliminate the racist underpinnings of anti-Semitism in Europe. “Should this theory be confirmed, the term ‘anti-Semitism’ would become void of meaning,” the book jacket reads. Although Koestler’s book was generally well reviewed, some skeptics questioned the author’s grasp of the history of Khazaria.

Graur is not surprised that Elhaik has stood up against the “clique” of scientists who believe that Jews are genetically homogeneous. “He enjoys being combative,” Graur said. “That’s what science is.”

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192 Responses to Top Israeli scientist says Ashkenazi Jews came from Khazaria, not Palestine

  1. Ed Sallis says:

    A vitally important issue remains undecided here, it seems, with two groups of squabbling Jewish scientists fighting it out between them hammer and tongs.

    It seems to me that the issue ought to be decided by an appeal to scientific truth alone and NOT to a political agenda.

    The Ostrer brigade certainly seem to have a political ax to grind, unlike Elhaik, Shlomo Sand and Koestler. Elhaik himself points this out by saying that proponents of the Rhineland hypothesis were “motivated to justify the Zionist narrative.” This certainly casts doubts on the objectivity of their science.

    Hitherto, people like Kevin MacDonald and David Duke have thown in their lot with the Ostrer crowd — but purely, I think, for entirely justifiable scientific reasons. The science, after all, seemed to be entirely in favor of the Ostrer thesis: that all Jews formed a homogenous group who resembled each other more than they did any other group. This view has now been challenged by a top DNA expert who also happens to be Jewish: Elhaik.

    It will be interesting to see if MacDonald and Duke now change their minds, given that the science no longer favors the Ostrer group… with their somewhat suspicious Zionist agenda.

    Ed Sallis
    (Sri Lanka)

    • Berenice says:

      I don’t know what all the damn fuss is about. What’s to stop Ashkenazi Jews being basically of Khazarian stock, with their ancestors of Tartar, Mongol and Turkic origin, and ALSO having some Semitic DNA from intermarriage with Jews from Palestine?

      Jews migrated to the Khazarian region from Palestine. They settled there. They settled in every single country they could after the Diaspora. So it’s only reasonable to suppose they interbred with the Asiatics who were already in Khazaria and who converted en masse to Judaism in the 8th century AD. From Khazaria these Jews then went further northward into Germany and Russia and so on and interbred with those fair-skinned people too. Is it any wonder they ended up looking white after several centuries of breeding with white people?

      These are the Ashkenazi Jews.

      My thesis is: they may have SOME Semitic blood (hence the Semitic DNA found in their genes), but that does not prevent them from being essentially an Asiatic race of mongrels.

      I also have no doubt that the present-day Palestinians are a darn sight closer to the original Semitic Jews.

      • Anglo Saxon says:

        Please Berenice … will you drop that damned word: “Semitic”!

        There is no such thing as “the Semitic peoples”. All that trash talk comes from the Schofield (Jew twisted) Bible, which has driven at least half of all Americans mad / bozo / stupid.

        The term Semitic can ONLY refer to a language group, and not to any DNA strand! The Semitic branch of languages includes: Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Ethiopic, Hebrew, and Phoenician. It does NOT include YIDDISH!!!!!!!!!

        • Valerya McGriff says:

          Anglo Saxon,
          Your clarification on the word Semitic was perfect. Historical and now DNA proves that original Jews, Judaeans, Israelites, Hebrews were African, Black, Negro etc. They came in contact with people of the same race and converted them and people of different races and converted them too. Today’s so called Jewish people are Hebrew converts with little DNA of the Hebrews then and now. European is what the DNA proves them to be and that’s what they are!

  2. no one on earth HAS to be a member of the stool sculpture deity cult compound

  3. Franklin Ryckaert says:

    It is strange that Elhaik compares the Ashkenazis, the supposed descendants of the Khazars, with Armenians and Georgians, who live South of the Caucasus. The Khazar empire laid North of the Caucasus and never crossed that natural barrier. He had better compare them with Central Asian Turks, kinsmen of the Khazars, than with Armenians or Georgians. His method seems flawed to me.

    • Anglo Saxon says:

      I would echo Franklin’s observation and comment.

      The Khazars plied the Black Sea because the records tell us they traded with Byzantium (Constantinople).

  4. Ares says:

    The Jew book starts out claiming that woman was made from a rib of a man and this woman ate some magical fruit and put all of man into sin thus cursing her and her mate to eternal suffering and damnation. According to this book a woman’s menstrual cycle is Jehovah’s curse. Western peoples who have nothing to do with the rantings of sun baked desert tribal mythology are so taken by this story that they still name their children after the fictional characters Adam and Eve. And you wonder why you are ruled by the Jew.

    If you read the first chapter of this malevolent book written by psychopathic men who slander snakes and women and then continue to believe it and the claims of this group then you are a seriously deluded corrupted character. Obviously Eve was framed, women take the fall in this book, a book that was used to convict and burn thousands at the stake for being witches. Nothing in this book is historically accurate or moral or good, it is a book that seriously perverts humanity. Making legal claims based on is the ultimate insanity of our specie. The Torah/Bible has created a horror show, The Nightmare on All Streets.

    This book is being used to steal land and commit genocide, it should be no surprise that science and archeology will overturn every single claim of the Jew liars. Absolutely nothing a Jew ever says is true because the Jew is bound by evil and despises the truth. The Jew runs the media, everything spewing out of the Talmudic Vision is a blatant lie. 911, Sandy Hook, Boston. Lies, all lies. Look at how the Jew lies now, why would you trust anything they said back then? The public indoctrinated in the Bible lies eats it up, they are sinister, in on it with the Jew.

    There are no real Jews, no one should want to be a Jew, there is no Jew god choosing or judging, the claim to the Holy Land is false, it is not a legal claim, the Holy Land isn’t holy, it is a hell hole created by religious zealots. Jerusalem is the very spot where everyone was slaughtered many times. Judaism is a mental illness not a claim to someone else’s land.

    Science will eventually prove that there is no real Jew DNA because their never was a real Jew to start with.

  5. Sardonicus says:

    PUTIN TO NETANYAHU: THE SYRIA OF ASSAD IS THE RED LINE

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, during his visit to Shanghai on Monday 6th of May, received a strong reprimand by President Vladimir Putin: a warning that Russia would not tolerate further Israeli attacks against Damascus, and that he would answer.

    Putin did not say how, but he announced that he had ordered the acceleration of very advanced Russian arms supplies to Syria. Military sources quoted by Debka site revealed that the Russian leader refers to the anti-aircraft systems “S-300″ and tactical ballistic missiles in nuclear capacity “9K720 Iskander” (called by NATO SS-26 Stone), which are precise enough to hit a target in a radius of 5-7 meters and a distance of 280 kilometers.

    In his phone call to Netanyahu, the Russian leader did not hide his determination not to allow the United States, Israel or any other regional force (eg Turkey and Qatar) to overthrow the government of President Bashar Assad.

    http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/17254/

    Let’s hope it’s true and that Vlad the Impaler is getting tough…

    • Gabreal Jones says:

      BRICS – Brasil Russia India China South Africa and a whole peloton of 180 countries are cycling past the 20-30 western ZioNato countries.

      @sardonutcase

      They have passed them already and get to the finishline first, to speak in Boston terms. No attack will be there. Any major attack which could lead to WWIII would have happened already.

      Benjamin Fulford – not a sardonutcase like you- was the only one who talked about this when it just happened, when BRICS was under construction. In Monaco, in Switzerland. Check the details out yourself.

      Horse 237 Vid Rebel has gone many times in detail about the missile arsenal of Syria, Hezbolla. Anne Frankenstein/Rothschildstein would be wiped off the map.

      Only Fukushima should be faced and fixed and the entire zionide bilderberg gang must be jailed.

      @Ares

      (…) sun baked desert tribal mythology (…) / (…) Western peoples (…)

      Most of these Western peoples are btw into sun baking and solaria nowadays more then they are to be found in churches. A change in mythology perhaps can be observed?

      Writing off the entire Bible OT and/or NT as mythology does not pass the test. At least not my test. I am a city mystic with heavy laborshoes with steel noses.

      There is a mix of true authentic and added not original texts in what we know now as The Bible. I think that many writers of the Bible were true mystics who wrote about their experiences in codes.

      AXUM= AUM X (Not a word game, no time to explain now, every comma I write comes out after entire universes have been wrong out)

      Ethiopian Jews better go back to where the OT tabernacle is, in Aske/Nazi Talmudistan they are even not allowed to clean the toilet.

      To conclude (this is not ot=of topic it is the true meaning of
      the OT and or the NT)

      A= Waking U=Dreamin M= Deep sleep

      Let the other Maharshi of India Ramana Maharshi do the further eplanation:

      (…) If you ask what that is, it is called turiya, which means the fourth state. Why is this name used? This name is proper because it seems to say the three states of your experience-waking, dream and deep sleep-are foreign to you and your true state is the fourth, which is different from these three.

      Should the three states, waking, dream and deep sleep, be taken to form one long dream, the fourth state represents the waking from this dream.

      Thus it is more withdrawn than deep sleep, also more wakeful than the waking state.

      Therefore your true state is that fourth one which is distinguished from the waking, dream and deep sleep states. You are that only.

      What is this fourth state? It is knowledge which does not particularize anything. It is not unaware of itself.

      That is to say, the fourth state is Pure Knowledge which is not conscious of any object, but not unconscious itself.

      Only he who has realized it even for a trice, has realized the Truth. You are that only (…)

      http://arunachala-ramana.blogspot.nl/2008/06/only-heaven.html

      Only that IS REAL and the whole zionide political psychotic machinations in the daily news about isreal etc. is a nightmare from which the world is waking up now.

      CIA O

      • Sardonicus says:

        Pity they can’t hit Rotterdam and wipe out the evil Dutchmen! There’d be one less poster on this site…! :)

        • Gabreal Jones says:

          @Sardonutcase May 10, 2013 at 12:24 pm

          Sardonutcase. you don’t do any thorough research. The only research you do is searching for wine in a supermarket to come through the day.

          Your tribemembers would do the job if they could:

          Martin van Creveld born in Rotterdam, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem : “We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European continent”

          H.A.N.D. Have A Nice Day

          CIA O

  6. Dublinmick says:

    “The paper has received little coverage in mainstream American media, but it has attracted the attention of anti-Zionists and “anti-Semitic white supremacists,” Elhaik said.” “I’m not communicating with them,” Elhaik said of the white supremacists.”

    Unfortunately Elhaik also uses the tried and proven cliche white supremacist, very loosely. This seems almost a genetic trait in itself. Has this garnered the attention of any anti-khazarian white rationalists? Is he communicating with any white researchers who might not agree with him? Or does he simply refer to all with the “non-scholarly” term white supremacist? Does this leeway to insult others at will derive from his genome being privileged to media access for a long period or is it simply genetic?

    I don’t know, Duke may consider himself a Euro-rationalist, and Elhaik a Khazar supremacist. Elhaik may have a grasp on genomes but seems very weak when it comes to philosophy and social graces.

  7. Montecristo says:

    Editor’s note:

    Apologies to posters who are having their posts suddenly disappear and then reappear. This is a computer anomaly and has nothing to do with the monitoring of this website.

    Comments go for automatic monitoring if you post TWO links or more; if you post no links or only one link, your post will appear at once.

  8. John Friend says:

    The Jews are the most mixed race of people on the entire planet, HOWEVER, they all do share a common genetic link. Sephardic, Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, and other Jews all share common genetics. Jews infiltrated and subverted Khazaria, mixing with the upper classes. The Khazars didn’t just “convert” and become Jews – they mixed with the Jews, hence they have similar genetics. The “top Israeli scientist” highlighted in this article has been debunked by numerous scholars, some of whom are even quoted in this article. The Jews are a separate racial/genetic group of people, and that should be clear to everyone given their evil and wicked actions, statements, and thoughts.

  9. 5 dancing shlomos says:

    all jews share the same marker, trait, link – hate for others.

    • 5 dancing shlomos says:

      cheap computer.

      “An Israeli geneticist challenges the “Zionist” hypothesis that all Jews belong to one race” – map caption

      true, jews do – the race of hate.

  10. John Friend says:

    If Jews Are a Race – Which One? by Anne Cohen

    “It’s no surprise that Johns Hopkins geneticist Eran Elhaik stirred a hornet’s nest of controversy with his claim to have debunked the scientific theory that Jews are mostly members of a single race, with origins in the land that is now Israel.

    But as Rita Rubin, the science writer who penned the Forward’s piece on the dispute, points out, Elhaik isn’t really saying Jews aren’t a distinct race — he’s questioning which race.”

    http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinking/176171/if-jews-are-a-race-which-one/

  11. Sardonicus says:

    World Jewish Congress approves resolution calling for criminalizing Holocaust denial
    May 8, 2013

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/world-jewish-congress-approves-resolution-calling-for-criminalizing-holocaust-denial/

    Ouch, see you at New Auschwitz!

    Hope they don’t zap me with Zylon B. Deadly gas, I’m told. :)

  12. Jack says:

    Are Jews a race? Is there such a thing as a race? Nope. Recent DNA studies show that skin color is controlled by a few genes, and skin color controls the amount of ultra violet entering the skin and skin color correlates to latitude. You can look and look but you will never find the evil Jewish gene.

    What makes Jews repulsive to anything living is what they think, they hate that which is alive and not Jewish, which is everything on the planet that isn’t wearing a yarmulke. So when a Jew approaches you and is plotting your demise just remember that it is how his brain is wired, the Jew is running a program on his brain hard drive, this program makes him believe that he is superior and all else is at his disposal, animals, plants, people, cattle. To a Jew anything outside of its self is a thing to be used, thus the Jews turn love making into pornography, a woman is just a thing to have sex with, any woman not just Jewish women. Jewish women fought this objectification with feminism, they really hate Jewish men and for good reason.

    The Jewish program of hate is a memetic complex that is carefully installed during its upbringing, memes are cultural units of information, akin to genes which also is information saved chemically. The Jew is required to read and memorize the text of his books, this creates neural pathways, a matrix of Judaism in his mind. To become a real Jew you have to be indoctrinated into a hate robot, it takes lots of study and belief.

    Persons born Jewish but not indoctrinated have a hard time understanding the behavior of their fellow tribe members, their brains are not hard wired to hate and deceive. Thus many Jews are in the truth movement confusing those who believe that Jews are a race with specific genes that make them Jewish.

    Memes can change a person so that it appears that the person is a different race. But Jews are not a race, there are no races, there are different cultures. Any person can be culturalized, a black can be made to act and think exactly as a white or as a Jew. Recent DNA studies show that 95% of the Jewish population in Israel are NOT even semitic or shepardic or from that part of the world. But they sure act and speak like Jews because Jewishness is a cultural program created by the memes not the genes.

  13. Joe says:

    Old news. It’s played out already. Tired. Boring article.

  14. Joe says:

    Someone needs to study the genetic heritage of the Christian Zionists and the non-Jews who join secret-societies, the ones who love Freemasonry to kibble-and-bits. Not to mention the genetic heritage of all the Whites who worship Heidegger’s Dasein.

    What’s their genetic heritage?

    We all know Jews are a khazar-turkic people from Khazaria.

  15. Joe says:

    I bet John Friend loves Heidegger’s Dasein.

    The Nazi’s Heidegger’s Dasein is based on the ontology/metphysics/eschatology of Sufism-Islam [ same thing]. Hitler had Muslim Legions in his Third Reich. The Nazis and their Dasein introduced Islamic Jihad to Europe. Gee, thanks Nazis. The Nazis — who “loved” White people to kibble-and-bits, killed down Whites in Poland like dogs. especially White Catholics.

    Maybe John Friend can tell us the genetic heritage of those who go on Sufist-Islamic-Dasein-Nazi -Jihad? He seems to know a lot about genetics.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/05/sufi_jihad.html

    All existentialism is based on the ontology/metaphysics/eschatology of Sufism-Islam, by the way. What’s the genetic heritage of non-Jewish Whites who love Existentialism ?

    Islamic Jihad is based on Sufist existentialism. Existentialism and Sufism and Islam are all 3 synonymous. What’s the genetic heritage of Islamic Jihadists?

    http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitler-muslim-brotherhood.html

    http://en.wikipedia/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland(1939-45)

    What was the genetic heritage of the White “Aryan” Nazis who killed down so many Whites in Poland, especially the White devout Catholics ?

  16. flying cossack says:

    the jews holocausted this area “khazaria” in the famine of ukraine in 1933 … almost 10 million people died … jews didnt holocaust themselves, they holocausted ukrainians

    jews have controlled england for nearly a thousand years, and ukraine only since 1920 … hence they didnt spawn from eastern ukraine, nor beside it

    just because jews didnt spawn from palestine, is no reason to buy the khazar theory … while this khazaria theory is impossible, the reason i rarely debate it is because its irrelevant … who cares to prove where jews spawned from

    with ufo’s and malevolent non-humans getting heavily seeded by the ziotroll industry, project blue beam seems to have a go ahead … the world is going to blame khazaria and aliens for our troubles … jews are going to give greater palestine back to arabs …. though, after theyve culled all the arabs that live there … the world will celebrate the jews’ ‘act of charity’, and jewish world control will be complete

  17. Jack says:

    What is a Jew? Can’t be a race because race is a myth. It can’t be a religion because ADL says everyone on this site is antisemitic. LOL

    A Jew is book type, a fictional being of a fictional book that you take seriously. A Jew is a person who takes a particular book and installs in on his brain EXACTLY LIKE YOU INSTALL SOFTWARE ON YOUR COMPUTER. Your brain is a biological computer, the Torah is a software. It’s a long install, takes years, but in the end the brain becomes “Judaized”.

    A Jew is a human robot programmed to act in accordance to the software, the Torah or Talmud or whatever other secret books they have stashed. The program of the Jew is to kill, first hate then kill. Kill be any means, kill by deception. Kill the tree, kill the goy, kill the Arab, kill the self hating Jew, kill the Jew dissenter, kill the Americans, kill the Iraqis, kill the unborn babies, just keep killing because “god” demands this. This god is a meme, it does not exist, it is an invention of the Rabbi.

    The Rabbi gets the infected mind to do his bidding. A Christian is a gentile Judaized. The Rabbi owns the Christian, when the Rabbi says kill then the Christian will kill. The Rabbi uses god to get you to do his bidding. The Rabbi doesn’t have the authority to get you to do stuff like killing, but with god he does.

    Take the book away, deprive the Jew of his book and he is nothing but a robot unplugged.

  18. Joe says:

    Sounds like John Friend is an expert on genetic heritage and genetic homelands.

    Maybe he can tell us the genetic heritage-homeland of the White “Aryan” Nazis :

    The “Aryan” Nazis who loved White People to kibble-and-bits — The “Aryan” Nazis who killed down the White Polish in massive numbers – like dogs, especially the White Catholics, especially the devout White Catholics, and threw White Catholics into IG Farben work camps, and threw other White Catholics on Nazi slave- labor work projects throughout Nazi occupied areas of Europe.

    What’s the genetic heritage-homeland of the White “Aryan” Nazis, John Friend ?

    The Valhalla Mountains on Thule Island north of the north pole? Or, Mt Everest of the Himalaya Mountains of Tibet?

    I always get my John de Nugent and my Savitri Devi mixed-up.

    Isn’t it a shame, John Friend, how the Zionist “narrative” about the Third Reich always leaves out the part about how the Nazis hated Catholics with a passion, and killed down Catholics in droves?

    Why do the White Nationalists also leave out the part of how much the Nazis hated Catholics with a passion, and killed down Catholics in droves, in their/your White Nationalist “narrative” about the Third Reich?

    “Hitler’s Jewish Army”

    “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers”

    “Hitler’s Muslim Legions”

  19. Joe says:

    Hitler and the Nazis introduced Islamic Jihad to Europe. If Hitler loved the White Race to kibble-and-bits, why would he introduce Islamic Jihad right into the very heart of Europe?

    What is the genetic heritage-homeland of Islamic Jihadists?

    Why did/do the “Aryan” Nazis worship the very same Exact “religion” as Islamic Jihadists, that is, why do Nazis, past and present, worship Existentialism?

    Existentialism is Sufism — Sufism is Islam. Existentialism is Sufist in ontology/metaphysics/eschatology. Sufism and Islam are one and the same. So is Existentialism, as Existentialism is Sufism.

    Existentialism, Dasein, Aryanism, Nazism, Islamic Jihad, and Zionism are all based at the ontological foundation on Sufism — with some Kaballah and some Hinduism thrown into the mix. The eschatology of all of them are the same also — they’re all messianic “religions”.

    From what genetic heritage-homeland will their Messiah come from, you think? Maybe John Friend can tell us, he’s an existentialist, that is to say, he belongs to one of the Sufist-based, existentialist ‘religions” , Nazism.

    http://www.dhimmitude.org/d_history.html

    Why would the Nazis who loved the White Race to-no-end introduce Islamic Jihad right into the very heart of Europe?

    Whose agenda does Islamic Jihad truly serve? Maybe John Friend can tell us ? He’s an expert on these matters.

    ” Albert Pike 3 World Wars Planned”

    ” Albert Pike + World Wars + We Shall Unleash The Nihilists And The Atheists”

    Existentialism is another term for Nihilism. Though there are some existentialists who think they are their very own gods. Many atheists fall into this category as they believe in Darwinian Evolution. Which is, by the way, another belief system as Darwinian Evolution has never been scientifically proven. One accepts it on faith. Many atheists actually think they are their very own gods ; This is Sufism, this is existentialism, this is Islamic Jihad, this is Nazism, this is Zionism.

    Sufism/existentialism is a mainstay of Satanism. What is the genetic heritage-homeland of Satanists?

  20. Joe says:

    One of our most honest historians, Eustace Mullins, on the Nazis.

    Eustace Mullins payed a heavy price in his life to bring us truth. In spite of all the hardships and the obstacles the Zionists put in his way, he didn’t give up, didn’t sell-out.

    His genetic heritage-homeland was the American South : White Christian American genetic heritage-homeland :

    http://firstlightforum.com/2013/03/nazi-is-from-national-zionist-eustace-mullins/

    Search Terms :

    ” Eustace Mullins”

    ” Eustace Mullins PDF ”

    ” Ezra Pound + Eustace Mullins”

  21. Abba says:

    Joe’s phrases same as on TUT

    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/tut-fan-mail-may-8-2013/#comment-187673

    “You like islam/sufism because islamic jihadists hate true Christianity. That’s the REAL reason you like islam/sufism to kibbles-and-bits. You’re a bigger phony than John “Friend” and the jew-NAZI-jew kaminski put together.”

  22. Joe says:

    About Sabbatean/Donmeh Jews, Nazis, Islamic Jihad, and the Zionist New World Order . The website is a bit religious. It’s not my religion exactly, but the article is extremely informative :

    http://www.biblesearchers.com/hebrewchurch/primitive/losttribesisrael14.shtml

    Learn more about Sabbatean/ Donmeh Jews. Donmeh Jews are Jews who pretend to be Muslim.

    Sabbatean and Donmeh are synonymous. The Real “religion” of Sabbatean/Donmeh Jews is Sufism/existentialism.

    Heidegger’s mentor in Dasein-Existentialism-Sufism was a Jew by the name of Edmund Husserl. Husserl was a Sabbatean Jew pretending to be a Lutheran.

    Husserl taught the “great” father and “founder” of Dasein, Heidegger, the “faith”. The great philosopher of the great “Aryan” race was mentored in Dasein and the “Aryan religion” by a Sabbatean Jew.

  23. Joe says:

    I said negative things about Islam/Sufism, and 2 minutes later I was “banned” from The Ugly Truth” website ; As if the Islamic Jihadists have the best interests of the White Race at-heart.

    I linked to :

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/05/sufi_jihad.html

    Immediately after sending off my post with above link, I was “banned” from TUT like God knows what kind of harm I did to the White Race. Way overboard dramatic reaction to a link. I thought the readers should know what Islam is really all about.

    Way overboard reaction to Truth. The Real Truth of Islam is not that wonderful.

    I thought a webmaster who names his website “The Ugly Truth” could handle less-than-beautiful Real Truth, but I guess not.

    I got “banned” as if I did something horrible to harm the White Race. TUT didn’t put up my post with link to “American Thinker”, too boot. The readers of TUT will never get to read it at “The Ugly Truth”, even though The Truth of Islamic-Sufist Jihad is very ugly indeed.

    Just because the Zionist Jews are not on our side, it doesn’t naturally follow the Islamic Jihadists are on our side. They most certainly are not. The Muslim immigrants in Europe are agitating for Sharia Law in Europe — Sharia Law for everyone, even Non-Muslims.

    They hate the traditional culture and heritage of Europe. The traditional culture of Europe was always based on Christianity. For this I was banned at TUT.

  24. Joe says:

    “Black Terror, White Soldiers, Islam, Fascism, and the New Age ”

    by David Livingstone :

    http://uploads.empire-newmedia.com/BTWS_preview_1.pdf

  25. Joe says:

    “Theosophy and Gnosis” :

    http://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6310

    About Existentialism versus Christianity.

    Existentialism – which is based on Sufism — is also the basis of our present-day culture — the New Age culture.

    • Franklin Ryckaert says:

      “…Existentialism, Dasein, Aryanism, Nazism, Islamic Jihad, and Zionism are all based at the ontological foundation on Sufism – with some Kaballah and some Hinduism thrown in the mix. The eschatology of all of them are the same also – they’re all messianic “religions”…”

      “…This is Sufism, this is existentialism, this is Islamic Jihad, this is Nazism, this is Zionism…”

      “…Sufism/existentialism is a mainstay of Satanism. What is the genetic heritage homeland of Satanists?…”

      There is only one adequate word to characterize a mind that can produce such nonsense : MUDDLE-HEAD!

      • Sardonicus says:

        @ Franklin Ryckaert

        Joe is a bit of a problem. He’s been on this site before and caused immense confusion, chasing many good posters away including one of our star posters called “Sazzy”. Now he’s back, hurling his fatuous thunderbolts in all directions.

        The editor, John Scott Montecristo, is one of those staunch souls who hates censorship of any kind and avoids banning trouble makers and Zionist trolls if he can help it, but I think his patience was tried to the limit by “Poster Joe”, as we all came to call him. In his kindly way, I believe Monte told Joe to “go away”. Joe took the hint and left. Now he’s back.

        He’s been banned from several sites, including John Friend’s site and Mark Glenn’s The Ugly Truth site. I’m wondering how much longer Montecristo will be able to put up with him.

        • Franklin Ryckaert says:

          I count on this thread 14 “comments” of Joe in about 6 hours. All utterly nonsense.

          One more gem I would like to mention :
          “Sufist-Islamic-Dasein-Nazi-Jihad” (!)

          He’s either barking mad or a professional troll.

  26. Joe says:

    Anti-Heidegger, Anti-Sufism, Anti-Existentialism, Anti-New Age ; Heidegger’s Dasein existentialism [ based on Sufism] is the foundation of our present day culture, and tons of Whites love Existentialism/sufism. Sad, pathetic.

    Such Whites have share the same Exact “religion” as our racial enemies. There’s No Spiritual power in Existentialism to defeat the New World Order, none. That’s why our racial enemies and Satanists of all stripes were/are so intent in promoting Existentialism. Existentialists disdain and scorn the traditional culture of Europe, just as our racial enemies disdain and scorn the traditional culture of Europe. No wonder we are losing as a Race .

    http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/antiheideggercontents.htm

    • Franklin Ryckaert says:

      STOP IT!

      • Brownhawk says:

        @Franklin Ryckaert

        Telling Joe to stop is like telling someone with Turrett’s syndrome to stop doing that.

        “…They hate the traditional – SUFI NAZIS – culture and heritage of Europe. The traditional culture of – HEIDEGGER ISLAMIC JIHAD – Europe was always based – KIBBLES AND BITS – on Christianity…”

  27. Prisoner#7 says:

    Joe, you are misinformed, I think your heart is in the right place though. Keep on researching, and quit sighting jewish religious bullshit! Facts Joe, facts please……….

    • Anglo Saxon says:

      @ Prisoner#7

      “Joe” is most likely being paid to post his moronic nonsense. It is quite likely he’s attached in some form or other to Mossad, or the CIA, or some volunteer Zionist Propaganda group. No normal person would post several comments in a row. He is being deliberately disruptive.

      Such people do exist. What is interesting is the time it has taken them to pick up recent activities at http://www.darkmoon.me on their radar. They are extremely paranoid, and for good reason. The sponsors of such Internet Shills will be facing the death penalty when caught.

      So, my advice to you is don’t waste your breath. Idiots like “Joe” aren’t being paid to take notice of “appeals to reason” like the one you’ve just posted.

      My only complaint is that you (and many others) still do not appreciate the seriousness of the situation, and the desperate hysteria of those forces arraigned against you. If you don’t quickly learn how to perceive the ‘Lion stalking you in the long grass’, then you are going to get eaten.

      I don’t like to post links to Wikipedia, but I suggest you go there and learn the meaning of Normalcy Bias.

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