A condensed and edited version of an interview with Greek Holocaust denier Konstantinos Plevris, the first Holocaust denier in history to be tried in a court of law and found ‘Not Guilty’ — much to the anger and alarm of organized Jewry.
The full interview may be read in the Barnes Review under the title Interview with a Gutsy Greek Patriot.
Pictures, captions and comments by Lasha Darkmoon.
LD: Greek nationalist lawyer and self-confessed anti-Semite, Konstaninos Plevris, author of The Jews: The Whole Truth, was initially found guilty of inciting racial hatred against Jews in December 2007, this verdict being based entirely on outspoken quotations found in the above-mentioned 1400-page book.
Thus Plevris described Joseph Goebbels as “one of the brightest minds of the century, a philosopher with a deep understanding of mass psychology”. He called ZYKLON B gas “merely a poisonous gas used to fumigate the concentration camps … extensively publicized as the gas used to put Jews to death in special gas chambers which have not been found.” Finally, Plevris’s praise of Adolf Hitler was not appreciated by the Jews who regard Hitler as the most evil man in history—second only in infamy to Jesus Christ, of course, who is now being burned in hot excrement in hell according to the Talmud. “The tragic leader of the German Third Reich is certainly the most impressive leadership figure of the modern age,” Plevris enthuses about Hitler, adding ruefully, “He could have rid Europe of the Jews, but he did not.”
Other complaints against Plevris is that he subscribed to “the myth of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” that he characterized Jewish children in the concentration camps as “very fat and well-fed”, and that he regarded Jews as “mortal enemies” and as “subhuman”. (See here)
Plevris appealed the court ruling, and on the 27th of March 2009 the court of appeals overturned all charges against him. His complete exoneration by the most distinguished legal brains in Greek jurisprudence was to prompt angry charges from Jewish sources that there had been a “miscarriage of justice”.
However, it was not easy to prove that admiration of Adolf Hitler or doubts about the Holocaust could in any way equate with incitement to violence against Jews; nor that failure to love Jews or hold them in high esteem was in itself a crime.
PETER PAPAHERAKLIS [TBR]: I am here at the home of Mr Konstantinos Plevris to interview him and learn about his beliefs. Specifically, about his very big and important book, “The Jews: The Whole Truth”, which is not yet available in English. Mr Plevris has some introductory remarks…
KONSTANINOS PLEVRIS: Three years ago, I published in Athens my book “The Jews: The Whole Truth.” (Picks up book and shows it to camera.) This is 1,400 pages long. This book is full of facts, proofs, references to 270 authors, writers, other books and of course photos. Immediately after the publication of my book, the Central Council of Jews in Greece and the European Jewish Congress started a campaign against me. They went to the prime minister of Greece asking me to be condemned. They went to the Justice Department, and, after three years of legal fights, I have finally won 100 percent in the Supreme Court of Athens. Justice prevailed; the court proved itself to be independent and not under Jewish control.
TBR: What do you think of the Jewish “Holocaust” hypothesis?
PLEVRIS: I don’t believe in the “Holocaust.” Of course many Jews died during WWII, but there is no proof the Germans planned to exterminate them.
TBR: We understand that you do not now believe in the Jewish “Holocaust” of World War II. But did you at any point in your life believe it?
PLEVRIS: No, I never believed in the “Holocaust.” That is the reason that I have examined the figures that they have given. In 1968, more than 40 years ago, I published a book on it with the title The Myth.
According to the evidence that we have, it was impossible to have killed 6 million Jews — because in all the countries that were occupied by Hitler there were only 4,200,000 Jews according to the official statistics. Even if he arrested all of them, he still could not come up with 6 million.
But Hitler never planned to kill the Jews. He only wanted to transport them to the island of Madagascar or some other place.
Anyway, almost 3,300,000 Jews have received money from West Germany in the past because they claim that they were arrested and put in concentration camps. All this is explained in detail in my book.
TBR: Have you ever been to Auschwitz or related sites?
PLEVRIS: Of course. I have been to Dachau, Auschwitz, all of them. There are no gas chambers in any of them.
TBR: Is it illegal in Greece to question the “Holocaust” theory?
PLEVRIS: No. Absolutely not. In Germany and in Austria they feel guilty for the Jews, and there it is illegal. Not here. Here we have freedom of speech. You are free to express your ideas and to state your opinion.
TBR: Did not the ancient Greeks almost invent freedom of speech?
PLEVRIS: Yes, of course. Don’t forget that here we believe in dialogue. You speak, I give my answer, and we discuss things. Many times I called on the Jews to come on my TV program to speak in a public, free dialogue, and they refused. Why? Because they know they are wrong and I am right. And it’s not only about the Jewish “Holocaust” of World War II. Most of my book involves the crimes the Jews committed against the Greeks throughout history.
TBR: WWII was a terrible time. How many Greeks died in the war?
PLEVRIS: Half a million; 520,000 to be exact.
TBR: What other holocausts have the Greek people survived?
PLEVRIS: We had the 1922 genocide in Pontus, the area around the Black Sea. Around Greece there are these states — Albania, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey — and all these states were founded on Greek territory. They enslaved the Greek population. So, we Greeks have had genocides. Real genocides!
And no one gave us any money!
The Jewish “Holocaust” is for me an enterprise. It has an economic goal. The Jews gained money from it. Thirty years ago, I remember, it was written that 4 million Jews were killed at Auschwitz. Later, they changed this to 1 million. But the Jews collected money for 4 million.
LD: Actually, the official figures for Holocaust victims at Auschwitz were revised downward from 4 million to 1.5 million in 1989. So it was officially admitted at that point that the figure of 2.5 million needed to be subtracted from the 6 million figure. Incredibly, no such subtraction has ever taken place. The magic 6 million figure remains unaltered. And merely to question it is an imprisonable offense in seventeen countries: Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Switzerland.
TBR: The Roman historian Dio Cassius said in the 2nd century A.D. that the Jews killed 220,000 Greeks in Cyrene and 240,000 in Cyprus. What do you think about that?
PLEVRIS: Yes, it is not only Dio Cassius who said this. Modern historians say it too, including Edward Gibbon in his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. It’s a fact. Maybe the numbers ar a bit exaggerated, but it is a fact.
TBR: What details of the Holocaust myth do you call into question?
PLEVRIS: First of all we have to use common sense. If the Jews are telling the truth, if they are right in what they say, they don’t need to legally penalize so-called “Holocaust Deniers.” If you’re right about something and someone denies it, you can prove that he is wrong. But the Jews use the penal law. This is unbelievable to me. I can say that the American Revolution never happened. Does that mean that I should be condemned for saying it? That I should go to jail because I expressed my opinion?
If the Jews are right, they are obliged to accept a public dialogue. This they refuse. It’s not only forbidden to deny that the “Holocaust” occurred as such — even to doubt it is a crime! In Germany and Austria you are not even allowed to express doubts about the “Holocaust.” Unfortunately, there is no more any Deutschland. Instead there is “Judenland.” If you go to Germany, you will see “Holocaust” monuments and memorials everywhere.
TBR: Are there any other specific details you call into question?
PLEVRIS: Look, I always use either scientific arguments or common sense. The Germans came to Greece in 1941. They went to some town in Greece. They arrested some Jews. They put them in train cars. They sent them somewhere into Poland or Germany, where there was a concentration camp. For what reason? The Jews say: “to kill us.”
I’m asking: Why didn’t they kill them in Greece?
Is it necessary to go through all the trouble of organizing the camps, and the trains, and all that? So it comes down to common sense.
It just doesn’t add up.
TBR: How has your latest book “The Jews: The Whole Truth” been received by the Greek-reading audience?
PLEVRIS: Now, after three years, it is in its fourth edition.
TBR: It is indeed a massive work.
PLEVRIS: Yes, it definitively closes the case. And don’t forget that my victory in the Greek court is final. There are no more appeals. Also, this is the first time in Europe that the Jews lost a case.
TBR: How do you feel about the way that the Israelis have been treating the Palestinians, Lebanese, and others in the Middle East, such as the holocaust against the people of Gaza?
PLEVRIS: I have inside my book more than 50 photos, unbelievable photos of Jews killing children — and they wanted to kill them. If you look, all the proof is inside the book. Of course, this is a war crime. But there is no new Nuremberg for Zionists unfortunately.
TBR: I really was struck by the photograph in your book of the two Palestinian children throwing rocks at an oncoming tank. That picture speaks a thousand words.
PLEVRIS: Yes, exactly. And don’t forget that anyway, had the Jews not crucified Jesus, no one would know anything about them. No one would mention them…. What we do know for sure about the Jews is that they were slaves: slaves to the Assyrians, slaves to the Babylonians, slaves to the Persians, slaves to the Greeks, slaves to the Romans, slaves to the Byzantines, slaves to the Arabs, slaves to the Turks, slaves to the Germans. And now they have a state, not because they are able to have a state on their own, but because the United States helped them. This is clear. If the United States dumps them, they will be slaves to someone else!
TBR: Are you aware of the Israeli attacks on the USS Liberty in 1967 and on Rachel Corrie and other Americans, as well as some Europeans and Japanese newsmen? Can you comment on that?
PLEVRIS: Yes. For the USS Liberty I have a chapter in my book, because the Jews don’t have any gratitude for the American help. There are many Jews convicted as spies against the United States. I believe that the Jews—and when I say “Jews” I don’t mean ALL Jewish people, because there are also good Jews. I am referring to the Zionists: the Jewish Zionists. So, if there is a Jew that does not believe in the Talmud, of course I don’t have a problem with him. But I don’t personally know a Jew who does not believe in the Talmud, and who does not believe in the chosen people.
During my trial I said to the court: “Look, these people claim that they are God’s chosen people, and they have the nerve to accuse me of being a racist! How can I be the racist here when it is they who claim that they, the Jews, are chosen by God?”
Anyway, when I say something I try always to prove it. For this reason, the solution of all these cases concerning the Jews is only one: free public dialogue. Everything in the open, everything in the light. Everything clear, to see it and discuss it. The Jews, they refuse. For this reason I suspect something is wrong. Because they refuse free dialogue … They refuse!
TBR: Apparently the Jews claimed that they were somehow being defamed by your book. Is that right?
PLEVRIS: The president [of the court] was against me. After the process, I was condemned to a suspended sentence of 14 months in prison. After this, because this judge acted absolutely illegally, I made a counterattack against him — and now he has been kicked out of the justice department! I made the appeal, and it was in a superior court of five judges and a prosecutor. The five judges unanimously ruled that I was not guilty!
Never in my book did I say, “Do something illegal! Be violent against Jews!” Never! I spoke only the truth, and I proved that I spoke the truth. And if the Jews were able to discuss my book and prove that I am wrong, they would do it. But they are not able to prove it. They cannot prove it. Because it’s the truth I speak. So they followed legal proceedings. And they lost — they totally and definitely lost!
TBR: What was the role of Ms Andrea Gilbert, head of the Central Board of Jewish—
PLEVRIS: Please! . . . I have no wish to enter into discussion about a lesbian! A woman who will not respect her own nature is unlikely to have any respect for the truth! Not only is she a lesbian, she is also the president of the Lesbian Federation.
LD: An additional black mark against Plevris is that he is an unabashed “homophobe”.
TBR: So what is this Central Jewish Council of Greece?
PLEVRIS: The Jewish Council went against me. They said: “When Plevris published this book. . . . after its publication. . . . someone went to the city of Patras and desecrated the Jewish cemetery there by painting swastikas on the Jewish graves.”
I asked “Has the perpetrator been arrested?” He had been arrested, and he was the son of a rabbi!
TBR: So it was reported in the news that he was the perpetrator?
PLEVRIS: Absolutely. He was an agent provocateur!
TBR: So you do not sanction or incite anyone to violent acts against the Jews? Nor do you justify similar practices that others have done in past?
PLEVRIS: I don’t agree with violence. When you have 100 percent truth on your side, you don’t need violence. Anyway, what violence? The Jews accuse us of violence? They are the first teachers of violence! Look at what is happening in Palestine!
“The best among the Gentiles deserves to be killed.”
— Rabbi ben Yohai in the Talmud, quoted also in the Jewish Encyclopaedia.
TBR: It seems your enemies were extremely selective in what they quoted from your works. For example, I believe your most notorious book contains extensive quotations from the Talmud. And a huge stock of historical evidence of Jewish anti-Christian hatred. Of this, they said not a word. Can you comment on that?
PLEVRIS: The Jews are afraid of any public dialogue. I mentioned that earlier.
TBR: How do you see the political future of Greece?
PLEVRIS: The future of Greece is very difficult because we have many problems. Two million immigrants have come into Greece: from Albania, from Pakistan, from Africa, from everywhere. They came to Greece, and we have a big problem. They have changed the national composition of our country.
TBR: What is the population of Greece currently?
PLEVRIS: We are 11 million, and almost 20% are foreigners. We don’t want them. We don’t accept them. They have to return to their countries. But the political parties play the game of parliamentarianism and human rights. Human rights for the others, not for the Greeks. There is a racism in Greece from the foreigners against the native Greek population.
TBR: I understand that you wrote about the “Holocaust” in 1968. Can you tell us more about that book?
PLEVRIS: The book’s title, as I mentioned earlier, was The Myth. This offered evidence and proofs that what the Jews claim about the Holocaust never actually happened.
TBR: So, at the time you wrote this book in 1968 you were one of the pioneers on this subject worldwide?
PLEVRIS: Yes, that’s true. Of course, the Jews complained. But I didn’t care about them. I was very strong then. I was General Secretary of the Ministry of National Security, and I didn’t pay any attention to them at all. Also I was only 28 years old. When you are 28, you’re not afraid of anyone!
TBR: Have your Revisionist books been translated into other languages, and do you have plans to translate them into English?
PLEVRIS: No, only The Myth has been translated into German and Arabic. I want to translate my other works into English, but the work of every day has not given me the opportunity.
TBR: How well has your book “The Jews: The Whole Truth” been received?
PLEVRIS: I think about 20,000 to 30,000 copies have been sold.
TBR: Is there anything else you would like to say for our audience, which is mostly American?
PLEVRIS: Yes. Of course, we belong to different nations, but most of us are white. But white, red, yellow or black, our race is the first thing we have to keep intact. The Jews want all the non-Jews to be blended into a “universal goy.” I am not a racist under the bad meaning of the word, because it is not by my choice, or the choice of any mortal, that we have people being mostly black in Africa, mostly yellow in Asia, and mostly white in Europe and North America. Rather, it is the natural order of things for the races to be geographically separated. So, the first thing we have to protect, for all non-Jews, is our race: our right to be white, yellow, black or whatever race we are.
TBR: Mr. Plevris, thank you very much for your time.