Last Words Of Gautama Buddha To His Disciples

Based on extracts from The Gospel of Buddha,
complied from Ancient Records by Paul Carus, 1883

LD: The term ‘Tathagata’ is a title of the Buddha. (See endnote). Ananda, the Buddha’s cousin, was also his closest and most devoted disciple.



I am now grown old, O Ananda, and full of years; my journey is drawing to its close. I have reached the sum of my days, I am almost eighty years old.

Just as a worn-out cart cannot be made to move along without difficulty, so the body of the Tathagata can only be kept going with much additional care.

Therefore, O Ananda, be ye lamps unto yourselves. Rely on yourselves, and do not rely on external help.

Hold fast to the truth as a lamp. Seek salvation alone in the truth. Look not for assistance to anyone besides yourselves.

We must separate ourselves from all things near and dear to us, O Ananda, and must leave all behind; for everything that is born and comes into being contains within itself the seeds of its own dissolution.

This mortal existence, O Ananda, must now be relinquished, cast away, renounced, rejected, and abandoned by the Tathagata.

Practise the earnest meditations I have taught you. Continue in the great struggle against sin. Walk steadily on the path of saintship.

Behold, O brethren, the final extinction of the Tathagata! It will take place soon, it will come before long.

I now exhort you, saying: ‘All component things must grow old and be dissolved again. Seek ye for that which is permanent, and work out your own salvation with diligence.’



LD:  Tathagata: When used by others of the Buddha, the term ‘Tathagata’ loosely means “the Enlightened One” or “the Perfected One”. When used by the Buddha of himself, it literally means “thus come, thus gone”, from tatha-agata (thus come) or tatha-gata (thus gone). This refers to the cycle of births and deaths, or reincarnation; and thus the term ‘Tathagata’ conveys the meaning of  “he who comes and goes” (i.e., is impermanent), or, if you prefer, “he who neither comes from anywhere nor goes anywhere.” (See Christmas Humpheys, A Popular Dictionary of Buddhism, p.195).

50 thoughts to “Last Words Of Gautama Buddha To His Disciples”

  1. “…I now exhort you, saying: ‘All component things must grow old and be dissolved again. Seek ye for that which is permanent, and work out your own salvation with diligence’…”

    That is too free a translation. The text in Pali says :

    “…Handa dani bhikkhave, amantayami vo : vayadhamma sankhara appamadena sampadetha…”

    In Sanskrit that would be :

    “…Hanta dani*) bhikshave, amantrayami vah : vyayadharmah samkharah, apramadena sampradetha…”

    I could not find a translation for “dani”. It is probably an emphatic particle.

    The accurate translation is : “Come monks, I exhortate you : compounded things are by nature transient, strive without negligence.”

    That sums up the Buddha’s teaching in one sentence :

    1) All things are compounded. They were once compounded in time, therefore they will eventually dissolve in time. Hence all compounded things are by their very nature transient.
    2) To escape this transient world one must strive one self (and not depend on others).
    3) This effort should be done without negligence (the Buddha’s path, including meditation, is essentially a continuous exercise in attention).

    Notice how different Buddha’s path is from Christianity. It is almost its opposite.

    1) In Buddhism one tries to escape from the world of transience. In Christianity one waits for the transient to become eternal. On the Day of Judgement the living and the dead will be judged and then those who are “saved” will for ever live in their resurrected bodies (as if that is possible). Says the apostle Paul :

    “…51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: we will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For it is necessary for this perishable body to put on incorruptibility, and this mortal body to put on immortality. 54 But whenever this perishable body puts on incorruptibility and this mortal body puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place:

    “Death is swallowed up in victory.
    55 Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting..?”

    1 Corinthians 15 : 51-55.

    The Buddha would call such a belief an illusion.

    2) In Buddhism one saves oneself by one’s own active effort. In Christianity one is passively saved by Christ. The Buddha would call that idea too an illusion.

    All religions do not preach the same message, as some naive idealists assert. They are fundamentally different.

    1. Regarding Saul, the Mosaist who hated Christ and Christians before his “miraculous conversion” on the road to Damascus: “Who then was the famed Apostle Paul, who became a primary source for what has become “Christianity”? From Christianity’s Great Mistake, Lloyd Meeker, Emissaries of Divine Light, pgs. 5-17 “… Jesus Christ Himself trained and instructed twelve disciples, through more than three years of ministry. These disciples were the men whom He ordained to carry on the work which He had begun, … Nevertheless, as we … consider Christianity as it is at this time widely known, believed and practised, not one of these eleven men whom Jesus Christ Himself instructed is conceived to have been the instrument through whom the practical application of the teaching of Jesus Christ in the world was made manifest. … Practically all of the doctrines of Christianity, practically all the ideas concerning the organization and function of the church, practically all the precepts to be found in the creeds and doctrines of all Christian churches come, not from Jesus Himself, and not from any one of the eleven disciples whom He taught and trained, but from the Apostle Paul. … it is NOT sensible to believe that, when Jesus Christ Himself was on earth and took three years to train and instruct eleven men in relationship to his own ministry, one man, who experienced ‘spectacular’ conversion at a later time should be permitted to completely overshadow the expression of Christianity as revealed by Jesus and his eleven disciples, and that what they had to say should become virtually overlooked. … Christians have been inclined to see Jesus and the apostles He trained through Paul and his writings, instead of seeing Paul and his writings through Jesus and that which His personally trained representatives did, said and wrote. … It is not until we see Paul in the right proportionate relationship to the whole picture that we can begin to understand Christianity as it actually is. … If it is conceived, as many church leaders and Biblical scholars have stated, that the real revelation of Christianity was made through Paul, we should not call ourselves Christians but, rather, ‘Paulists’.”
      From the Scofield Bible, “It was inevitable that a trained intellect like that of Paul, a convinced believer in Mosaism and, until his conversion on the Damascus road, an eager opposer of Christianity, must seek the underlying principles of the Gospel… Immediately after his conversion he preached Jesus as the Messiah; but the relation of the Gospel to the Law (as taught by the scribes and Pharisees) and in a lesser degree to the great Jewish promises, needed clear adjustment (!) if Christianity was to be a reasonable faith, and not a mere dogma. … Paul went to Arabia to seek and to find the adjustment of questions that were present… (thus) … Through Paul alone we know that the church is not an organization, but an organism, the ‘body of Christ’ , instinct with His life, and heavenly in calling, promise and destiny. Through him alone we know the nature, purpose and form of organization of local churches, and the right conduct of such gatherings. Through him alone we do know that ‘we shall not all sleep’, that ‘the dead in Christ shall rise first’, and that living saints shall be ‘changed’ and caught up to meet the Lord in the air at His return.”
      All this speaks of deliberate destruction/obfuscation of the real teachings of Jesus, by those who continue today with their ceaseless “revisionism”, destroying and obscuring truth and those who present it, intent to impose their satanic New World Order on mankind. Jews throughout history and as continues today, feign “conversion” in endless categories – religious, national, medical, corporate – claiming, in every facet of their living presented to the goyim, to be something they are not, while they each in fact provide full personal support to the long contrived ultimate goal of complete satanic Jewish control of all the earth.”

      1. Ass-backwards.

        The Church preceded the writing of the New Testament, every word of which was written by a Catholic to other Catholics in already existing Catholic Churches and owing to many false texts coming into circulation, the Catholic Church decided to create a canon and inclusion in that canon was the requirement that any book of the New Testament to be included in the canon had to have been read at Mass.

        Other than that, everything else you wrote is wrong.

    2. @ Franklin Ryckaert

      “…I now exhort you, saying: ‘All component things must grow old and be dissolved again. Seek ye for that which is permanent, and work out your own salvation with diligence’…”

      That is too free a translation. The text in Pali says :

      “…Handa dani bhikkhave, amantayami vo : vayadhamma sankhara appamadena sampadetha…”

      In Sanskrit that would be :

      “…Hanta dani*) bhikshave, amantrayami vah : vyayadharmah samkharah, apramadena sampradetha…”

      I could not find a translation for “dani”. It is probably an emphatic particle.

      The accurate translation is : “Come monks, I exhortate you : compounded things are by nature transient, strive without negligence.”


      While I enjoyed your erudite discourse and am in awe of your Sanskrit knowledge, I don’t accept your assumption that a verbally correct translation, pedantic and ponderous in its etymological precision, is to be preferred to a free and easygoing translation that most readers of English would rate far higher.

      Thus the Buddhist injunction, “Work out your salvation with diligence” — which you dismiss as “too free a translation” — is so widely quoted that it is now regarded almost as an English proverbial phrase when associated with Buddhism. I have heard it quoted scores of times over the years. Indeed, you will find it quoted in Wikiquotes here at the top of the page:

      You attach too much importance to verbal accuracy and tend to be a stickler for grammar; and yet you will be the first to admit that even Fowler’s English usage tells us that bad grammar in common usage sometimes trumps good grammar. Thus no one today but a pedantic nitwit would use the grammatically correct phrase, “It is I.” One is recommended to use the grammatically incorrect, “It’s me.”

      The same rule applies to translation from foreign texts. Strict verbal accuracy is to be avoided at all costs if the end result is ponderous, pretentious and absurd.

      1. I dare say that if you knew Persian you would dismiss Edward Fitzgerald’s “Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam” in English as disgracefully inaccurate in almost every line, compared to dozens of other more verbally precise translations. And you would be right. Fitzgerald’s translation is wildly inaccurate.

        It doesn’t matter. No other translation of Omar Khayyam is a patch on Fitzgerald’s. It is more beautiful in its inaccuracies than any accurate translation you may care to name.

        Consider the bizarre possibility that there may be cases when a translation is not only AS GOOD as the original but SUPERIOR to the original. There are Germans who tell me that Luther’s translation of the Bible into German is better that the Bible in its original Hebrew (OT) and Greek (NT) versions.

        Translation can be a tricky thing.

        When the New Testament sentence “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak” was translated into Russian and then back to English, the result was, “The vodka is good, but the meat is rotten” (водка хорошая, но мясо протухло).

    3. Only the Truth(Christ) can set one free, there is no other way.
      The delusion created when man fall’s from grace is a viscous circle, all attempts by the self(fallen angel) are doomed to fail by default.

      The faithful witness

  2. You know what’s interesting about these last words of Gautama Buddha?

    He wasn’t even 80 years old and he was old and dying! Maybe it was his (Indian?) diet, because had he conversed with his brothers and sisters across the Himalayas, the Hunzas, he could have lived until he was at least 130 or 140 years.

    But this Buddha’s dharma was completed and so he passed on . . . .

    Such words of wisdom for our trying and dire times. Thanks, Lasha!

    1. @ hp

      Who is the jewel in the lotus?

      You’re the expert, Homer. You tell us! But first tell us what the ‘Lotus’ is?

      (I’ll hazard a guess after you … but I’ll reframe the question to “What is the jewel in the Lotus”?

    2. Sardonicus, Center man, Center! Haha! Just kidding.
      It doesn’t take an expert to see and hear the answer, does it?
      It does take a desire, though. Or ‘just because’, will do.

      Of course I’m not an expert! Do you realize how rare experts are?!
      But since I, (and hundreds of millions) desire to believe Lord Buddha is Dasavatara, how might this desire be anything other than endless reasons to celebrate? The answer is .. yeah.
      (i’m an expert at celebrating)

  3. Tathata (Sanskrit) verbally translated into English means “suchness” in my German native language “Soheit/Solchheit”. There is not much to understand from these words in our languages.
    In Buddhism it means a type of perception while keeping the consciousness in total emptiness, free of any distraction of objects and subjects, thus directly receiving the creative reality of the spirit, a reality remote beyond any “made” sensual and extrasensory being/existence.
    Having himself elevated to this consciousness the historic Buddha Siddhartha Gautama
    called himself Tathagata.

    1. @ Wiggins

      From WIKI: “Travers Christmas Humphreys, QC (15 February 1901 – 13 April 1983) was an English barrister who prosecuted several controversial cases in the 1940s and 1950s, and later became a judge at the Old Bailey. He also wrote a number of works on Mahayana Buddhism. In his day he was the best-known British convert to Buddhism. In 1924 he founded what became the London Buddhist Society, which was to have a seminal influence on the growth of the Buddhist tradition in Britain. His former home in St John’s Wood, London, is now a Buddhist temple.”

    2. Wiggins
      Christmas Humphreys was a very interesting character. Back in 1977 I became very good friends with a personal friend of Christmas at a World Fellowship of Buddhists meditation classs in Bangkok. He told me Christmas was originally a theosophist who became a Buddhist. Christmas was also responsible for mentoring Alan Watts, who later went on to become something of a spiritual “celebrity” in California (where else, but the land of fruits and nuts?) during the hippie era. I believe in later years Alan Watts became enamored of spiritous ( vodka) things rather than spiritual.
      Regarding Christmas during his tenure as a high court judge he had no qualms about imposing capital punishment. He would frequently lecture the condemned on they having put themselves in their current situation and reaping their richly deserved karma.

      1. I read one of Watts’ quotes: He later said about psychedelic drug use, “If you get the message, hang up the phone.”

  4. Genesis.

    The key to eternal Life is Faith in Christ Jesus, not Faith in one’s ‘Self’. Those who are saved will be given new human bodies to repopulate the new earth (with its new heaven).

    Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    Knowing (the movie)

    Very likely, Biblical Prophecy is further along on the time-line than most people suspect.

    The Way home

  5. Theravada Buddhism
    the Abhidhamma was represented in the fourth week of Gautama Buddha’s enlightenment. Optimistic devas created a beautiful jeweled chamber after spent 3rd week dispelling mistrust and sitting inside it meditated on what was later known as the “Higher Doctrine”. His mind and body were so purified that six-coloured rays came out of his body — blue, yellow, red, white, orange and a mixture of these five. The mixed color represented all these noble qualities. Later, he traveled to the Trāyastriṃśa and taught the Abhidhamma to the divine beings that dwelled there, including his deceased mother Māyā, who had re-arisen as a celestial being. The tradition holds that the Buddha gave daily summaries of the teachings given in the heavenly realm to the bhikkhu Sariputta, who passed them on

    The Abhidhamma is presented as a pure and undiluted form of the teaching that was too difficult for most practitioners of the Buddha’s time to grasp. Instead, the Buddha taught by the method related in the various suttas, giving appropriate, immediately applicable teachings as each situation arose, rather than attempting to set forth the Abhidhamma in all its complexity and completeness. there is a similarity between the traditions of the Adhidhamma and that of the Mahayana, which also claimed to be too difficult for the people living in the Buddha’s time.

    QUOTES From Buddhism International

  6. Am I the only one glad to see you are still with us, TROJ? Huh? (looking around, checking in vain for some sign of endorsement, even barely perceptible nodding)

    No, no one? They must be into something else at the moment, don’t take it to heart, Joe.
    As I recall, just the other day Uncle Toby presented you with a priceless gift of freedom from everyday chores of being a resident nuisance, he actually let you run!
    Free, free, I am free, like blind Tommy in Who’s rock opera, ELEUTHERA!

    And it was only I, lobro, who opposed the universally approved motion and I prevailed because I, as everyone, especially you knows (you knows, doncha?) am Lasha’s special house pet, I must have it my way or else I shall pout.

    Because, in my wisdom, ever expanding from the center of lotus, I realized that in your presence, everyone, even the dumbest among us, feels like a winner,
    There, but for the grace of Lord, go I.

    But let’s not dwell among my achievements, too numerous to count but among yours, both of them.

    The 1st glance at your post reveals that its length is drastically cut down from the usual 8,000+ words, you used the keyboard editing shortcuts, Ctrl-c (copy), Ctrl-x (cut), Ctrl-v (paste) to excellent effect, it is proof that my hunch was right, that TROJ is the sharpest knife in a drawer full of spoons, so when everyone went “Ctrl-x TROJ”, I said, “no, Ctrl-v TROJ back in”.

    2ndly, you are not repeating yourself as much, so that sub-8,000 word posts become achievable, from 8,000+ to 8,000- in a single lifetime.
    Reps are good muscle builders, especially for lower head muscles, jaws, lips, oral cavity and so on, but you must let them migrate to the upper spheres as you evolve toward seemingly unattainable normality.

    All in all, good show, TROJ, don’t repeat yourself, I repeat, don’t repeat yourself.

  7. A very good article. One must realise, however that the teachings of the Buddha were only written down, circa 320 B.E. (Buddhist Era) in Pali, which is used in the Theravada school of Buddhism. The Buddha’s first injunctions were: Cease to do evil, Do good and Purify the mind. Yes, he taught the 4 Noble truths of which the translation of Dukkha, the first truth, causes the most misunderstanding. It is translated loosely as suffering but has a deeper philosophical connotation implying dissatisfaction with all transient things because they are impermanent. The second truth, Samudaya, is the arising or origin of Dukkha. The third truth is Nirodha, the ending or cessation of Dukkha. The fourth truth is Magga, which literally means path, which is the way or means to finding an end to Dukkha.
    When one looks at the teachings of Jesus Christ as expounded in the Sermon on the Mount, not the dogmas and theological claptrap, corruptly arrived at by the Council of Nicea and elsewhere, one can see that Jesus taught, one must first SEEK the kingdom of God then all things will be given one. In other words, through prayer and meditation one must purify oneself. Remember! Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall know God. Thus surrendering one’s thinking to blind belief in a church, a priest or pastor, or a crackpot theory of Jew worship is a complete rejection of the core teachings of Jesus Christ, i.e. The Sermon on the Mount.
    The best exposition of the Buddhist ideal by a non Buddhist are the “Nadas” by Saint John of the Cross.
    “That thou mayest have pleasure in everything, seek pleasure in nothing.
    That thou mayest know everything, seek to know nothing.
    That thou mayest possess all things, seek to possess nothing.
    That thou mayest be everything, seek to be nothing.”

    One reason for the Lotus being an important symbol or ideal in the Orient is the lotus grows in a filthy, muddy pond, but remains beautiful and unsullied. Such is the ideal of humanity. Remain pure, whilst living in the spiritual squalor and poverty of life on earth.

    1. One reason for the Lotus being an important symbol or ideal in the Orient is the lotus grows in a filthy, muddy pond, but remains beautiful and unsullied. Such is the ideal of humanity. Remain pure, whilst living in the spiritual squalor and poverty of life on earth.

      Strong stuff, Felix, I never caught onto this but it sure makes sense, thanks.

      1. HP,
        Excellent article! Thanks!
        You might like to know that the Buddha spoke of three types of miracle. The first being the miracle of psychic power: Walking on water, levitation, raising the dead and so on. These powers he dismissed as cheap, unimportant and an impediment to spiritual progress. The second type is the miracle of predicting the future. This he also dismissed as unimportant. The third is the miracle of teaching. This is the greatest miracle of all, because the person you teach may go out and change the world. So, HP you have been my teacher as have other posters on this board, Sardonicus, Franklin, Lobro, Ungenius, Arch et al. Let’s not forget our esteemed hostess, Lasha. Teaching is the greatest gift one can bestow on another person.

        1. (OFF-TOPIC)

          Abraham is The Father of the Abrahamic religions. Abraham sired Ishmael [ Ishmael= Islam] and Abraham sired Isaac [ Isaac = Judaism ].

          Ishmael/Islam and Isaac/Judaism are Abraham’s two sons. Ishmael/Islam is Abraham’s elder son, and Isaac is Abraham’s younger son. The only two sons Abraham sired.

          So why exactly is Christianity considered an Abrahamic religion? As Abraham only sired a Jew son and a Mohammedan son, Abraham didn’t sire a Christian son. So why is Christianity labeled an Abrahamic religion?
          [ And Jesus Was Not A Jew, Is Not A Jew, And Will Never be a Jew. Amen ]

          How can Judaism be older then Islam if Abraham’s son, Ishmael , the elder son Ishmael who represents Islam, is Older then Isaac who represents Judaism? That always confused me. How is it a younger brother can be older then his big elder brother? Isaac, which represents Judaism is younger then Ishmael, yet they say the younger brother Isaac is older then the big elder brother Ishmael who was the brother born first. Doesn’t make sense, as the first born child is older then then the second born child. An older brother is always older then his younger brother. An older brother has always been around longer then the younger brother. So why do they say the younger brother Isaac [ Judaism ] has been around longer then the older brother Ishmael [ Islam] ?

          Could it be that Mohammed simply put in writing and codified a very ancient religion in the Middle East that started with Abraham’s oldest son Ishmael? I don’t think Mohammed started Islam as Ishmael, the elder son of Abraham, represents Islam. That means Islam was around since the time of Ishmael, and Ishmael was born before Isaac/Judaism, so Islam is actually older and more ancient then Judaism. Before Mohammed, that ancient religion older then Judaism just wasn’t called “Islam”. [ I’m currently researching what that ancient religion was called before Mohammed and before everyone labeled it “Islam”. ]

          Another view of Christianity. A view of Christianity based on the premise Christianity is NOT an Abrahamic religion. A premise which makes a lot more sense to me. A big website, covers a lot of aspects of Christianity and the bible. A lot of info about the Jew’s “religion” and about Freemasonry. A very thought-provoking and compelling website about Christianity. Another view of Christianity– an older view of Christianity, before the Jews and the Freemasons and others of various stripes infiltrated Christianity and distorted The Faith :

      2. All good, Felix. Thanks.

        “Gautama was having difficulty deciding whether or not to give up the extreme austerities He had been practicing. Lord Indra comes to advise him..”

        Indra’s Lute

  8. ” The Bible says, ” The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful [people], and be crucified, and the third day rise again ” (Luke 24:7). Who are these sinful people ? You and me. Our sins nailed Jesus Christ to the cross, and we have His blood on our hands. ”
    Billy Graham

    The faithful witness

  9. I almost, almost, embraced Buddhism, many years ago.. My daughter was very young, and my half brother worked at a Buddhist monestary, on the border detween Scotland, and England. He would tell me things, which made me wonder, if I could protect my daughter form the vagariesw of life, by taking up residence at Sami Lyng.. My down to earth district nurse abused me of such notions, by saying that I could not protect my daughter from the evils of the world forever..

    The only problem I have with Buddhism, is their repression of the Myanmar Rohingyas..

    1. If you have been having problems gaining access to our website, not to worry. So have we. We are doing our best to sort out these problems.

      1. I’m not worried, I’m not having any problems accessing Darkmoon. I’m just wondering why Uncle always has some real severe problems hitting an icon on his computer screen and putting the posts I send in to him up on the Darkmoon commentary board.

    2. “The only problem I have with Buddhism, is their repression of the Myanmar Rohingyas..”

      You’ve just opened another can of worms — er — snakes… of the big nose variety.

    3. Ingrid,
      “The only problem I have with Buddhism, is their repression of the Myanmar Rohingyas..”
      It isn’t Buddhism that is repressing the Rohingyas, but some corrupt and reactionary pro-government monks who are leading the repression. Such acts are completely at odds with the teachings of Buddhism. Let’s not forget in Bangladesh, next door to Myanmar, the government of Bangladesh have been viciously suppressing Buddhists in the Chittagong Hill Tracts for decades with nary a word of protest from the so-called International Community, A.K.A, the Judea American Empire. Yes, I deplore what’s happening to the Rohingyas, but it isn’t Buddhism doing it. It’s the government using some monks as tools to instigate hate towards them.

  10. A primary difference between Christ and Buddha is in regards to reincarnation. Essentially, Buddha would have you believe that all which occurs in manifested existence is under the aegis of Divine Creation, i.e.; that God ‘signs off’ on everything.

    Whereas Christ teaches that this is false, which goes directly to a general mindset conditioned by thoughts of God’s omnipotence, with a certain understanding of that – that nothing can interfere with Creator’s design.

    The Christ teaching speaks of a major interference being one which has circumvented our spiritual reality by devising a cycle of life and death. A circumventing action resulting in reincarnation. Yet absent the interruption this represents is experiencing Being as the continuum it is intended to be.

    In actuality, “free will” is really “conditional will”. We may be able to choose this, that, and the other thing, but much of what results from choices made produces realities reflecting the spiritual circumvention.

    It’s not that difficult to grasp this concept.

  11. “Lost Together”

    No one on this planet knows
    Their EXACT CORRECT address.
    I, myself, am included there,
    I much regret to confess.

    One might know of 101, then,
    One might know First Avenue.
    One might even know Dayton,
    And Ohio would be a great clue.

    One might know the USA, and
    One might know North America.
    One might know which Hemisphere,
    Planet Earth would be the criteria.

    Well, that’s about it for an EXACT birth,
    Since we all are trapped here on this Earth.

    For one in another galaxy…
    Attempting to address a letter…..
    To a particular locality…
    It might be out there forever.

    This won’t EVEN get the job done…
    Galactic mailman would have NO fun…

    Junk Mail addressed to:
    Resident:101 First Ave, Dayton, Ohio, USA, N Am, N Hem, Earth, this(?) Solar System, this(?) Galaxy, this(?) Universe.

    One surely cannot even name
    THIS solar system from ALL others….
    Since not ALL other are known today,
    No matter about our druthers.

    No one can say they are dwellers…
    Within the Milky Way for sure.
    It would be called something else….
    Others might call it THE Big Blur.

    No one can say for sure…
    Which universe is home.
    No one really knows where they are….
    But, sorta relaxed… are not alone.

    All are… LOST….. together..!! 🙂

    Pat – 2015

    1. Cheer up, Pat! At least you know how to rhyme. You go on like this you’ll be hearing from the Queen of England, asking if you’d like to be the next Poet Laureate. 🙂

      1. Hey Pat, Poet-That-Laura-Ate, that link to the Queen announcing the satanic endgame: weird stuff, you think there is any truth to it?

      2. Lobro –

        “Laura” was a really cute gal.

        The Queenie’s stories don’t sound right to me.

        One would think SHE would know better… by now..!
        If she doesn’t, she missed a really good chance to ‘get it.’
        She better hurry…. 🙂

  12. Please put some effort into reading this:
    A few day ago, late night, after christmas, thats right, well, you know people, some people i dont know if most people but i know a lot of people have this tendency to remain drunk thinking Jesus approves of this or maybe the whole town of bethlehem got drunk the night he was born and well we must continue the tradition, but a big fight broke out in a place i was hunging out at and the inevitable just happened; bottles (and chairs even) started flying about the place that is called “La Araña”; (in case you wanna visit one of these days) i was sitting in a dark corner all the way over there near the non too smelly clean toilets trying to spot a new girl that goes by the name “la batidora” or “the mixer” in english, when-and amid all the mayhem- i had this bright idea; but please remember i was half drunk so dont take me seriously … Here is what i thought “why dont russia or france or the us or england just bomb the weapon factories instead of bombing isis, the factories in their own countries included, there will be peace forever from thereafter” then a bottle hit me in my mouth.
    When i commented about this idea to el señor Octavio (my regular cabbie) he said “well, paisano, no other country produces weapons but the five un permanent members, you know, the ones supposed to maintain world peace”
    I heard that as i switched the bleedy napkin from my upper lip to my forehead..what a joke
    Good bye, i am the avatar, i may be a jew ethnically or maybe even a christian who later was made to become a muslim but i am definitely a Palestinian bye for now

  13. More fascinating—To originaljoe off-line— great thoughts!
    So is a hornets’ nest the following – If Jesus is the son of God, he can’t be the son of Joseph….
    If one looks at Joseph’s genealogy, one finds an overly entertaining list of lies and so called “explanations” of why Joseph has two different fathers…..

    If the liars can’t even decide who is the father of Joseph, how dare they link Jesus to a filthy line of murderers all the way down to the line of David.
    Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary…
    Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli

    But also John reveals an interesting idea:
    JN 4:3He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.
    JN 4:4 And he must needs go through Samaria.
    JN 4:5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.
    JN 4:6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour

    The abrahamic “line” is based on another pure lie: Adam was NEVER the son of God!!! LK 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

    Man will never receive salvation from another man they both will be dead at no time. Jesus resurrected, His story is true, only through Him anyone can find the way to God, the creator.

    1. Every human being who is resurrected(born again) is a son of God.
      Christ is the first born(first fruit) of the son’s of God,
      the only begotten Son of God.

      ” And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

      ” And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ”
      ” For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
      whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

      The faithful witness

    2. Forget not that Jesus was also called the “Son of Man”. The Abrahamic line is not a lie.

      The Abrahamic Covenant

      Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of Man came with the “Clouds” of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before Him.
      7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed.

      Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

      1. Peace be with you NEW SONG.

        Forget not that Jesus was also called the “Son of Man”

        Revelation 14:14 ” And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.”

        The time has come.
        The Son of man
        Who is the faithful witness(Rev 1:5)

      2. New song – is an old song

        John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. “

        Genesis 17:13 “He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.”

        There is no abrahamic covenant – unless with satan (aka YHVH) in the flesh.
        Jesus is not a jew, never was, never will be.
        Joseph was not a jew either, living in Galilee, having “two fathers” (Jacob, Eli) – John 4:5, Mat 1:16, Luke 3:23 – a fact, that nobody can reconcile even today.
        The jews only waiting for a messiah, a man, a political leader, and they are still waiting for it. Jews have never waited for the SON of GOD, nor shall ever accept or receive Him!!!

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