(Posted here as Reference material)
These comments offer a cross-section of views on Stalin, both for the man and against him. There is also much on Hitler, WWII, and the mass rape of German women by Allied forces.
Apologies to posters whose comments have been excluded owing to lack of space. This article runs to almost 10,000 words, so it was necessary to stop it getting any longer by sacrificing many good comments and include only those that touched on the most important issues.
SELECTED STALIN COMMENTS BY DARKMOON POSTERS
@ Taras Bulba
I stand corrected. My antisemitism clouded my judgment. I now recall the Asiatic features of the soldiers raping the blond German girl in the snow. How could anyone forget that menacing, if not haunting illustration from the Hellstorm article? (Of course, I understand the illustration was created to reflect Mr. Goodrich’s assertion that most of the rapes were committed by Asiatics or Mongols.)
As an Asiatic semi-mongrel myself, I feel utter disgust at what my quasi-tribesmen did to 2 million German women. Unlike Alexander M, I will not apologize for the atrocities committed in my name. Those barbaric Asiatic and Mongol rapists should all be condemned for their crimes against humanity. We must never forget that most of those rapes and murders were committed after the war! Evil Asiatics! Evil Mongols!
The upshot of all this is that Mr. Alexander M can now take joy in the fact that it was those Evil Asiatics and Mongols and not his fellow White Christian Russians in his beloved Red Army who committed the rapes and atrocities against the German women. 3 cheers for Stalin! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray!
If I may, a couple of rhetorical questions as my parting shot:
Would the rape of 2 million German women ever have happened without kikes? More significantly, would WWII ever have happened without kikes? While I’m at it, would any of the major wars we’ve had in the last 200 years (I’m tempted to say the last 2000 years) ever have happened without kikes?
The mass rape and murder of German women during and after the WWII was part and parcel of the Morgenthau Plan to annihilate Germany and exterminate the German People. If I’m not mistaken, Morgenthau was no Mongol, but a kike. Put the real blame where the real blame is due. On the kikes!
The Morgenthau Plan, if you haven’t noticed, is still in effect. A kike politician in Germany by the name of Gregor Gysis more or less confessed to it last week.
Submitted on 2015/07/28 at 2:39 am
I was going to say I sympathize with Alexander and I do but I’m tempted to lose that sympathy when I hear “… dead as the result of the Hitlerite aggression against us? ” I’m the son of Germans who came to the USA after the war. I can relate to Alexander’s feelings. For my fifty seven years of life, but much more so for the first thirty five, I have heard nothing but lies about my people, not just once a month, once a week or even once a day. Beginning around 1970 you couldn’t go thru a day without hearing of the bestial Germans and what we were told they did to the Jews. But you wouldn’t just hear it once a day, you could see it in the newspaper in more than one article, then on TV and then maybe a news report about a “NAZI” arrested or some suffering Jew and then maybe in a movie. And now they still arrest 95 year old accountants or others for being “NAZIS.” I don’t think they had this holocaust propaganda blitz in the Soviet bloc that has gone on in the west since about 1970. No, they had the other propaganda. Just a general demonization of the Germans and glorification of their own country and always the never ending lying.
I’ve had Russian acquaintances and I had a Russian girlfriend. We didn’t see each other for years but last year went out a few times. I brought it up; history, Jews, Russia, Germany and I made the Jews the center of our conversation. I told her about Putin’s speech two years ago in which he said 80 to 85% of the first Soviet gov’t was Jewish and a lot of other things. I was reading this website too so some of LD’s articles were on my mind. My Russian friend didn’t disagree with anything I said and thought that the Jews played a big role in the Soviet Union. I think most Russians have known this ever since the Soviet Union’s founding. The Germans certainly did, calling the Soviets “Bolshevist Jews” and to this day this fact has been kept from most of the world.
Most Americans think “Bolshevist Jew” is a Nazi, anti-Semitic term that is a lie and has no relationship to the truth. Well, from what Putin and many others have said we know it is “total truth” but as long as the Jews are the dominating force in the media they can keep the most important, world changing facts from the people.
I’m certain that most east Europeans knew Jews dominated communism. Ukrainians, Latvians and many others knew Jews were running the communist show and many joined up to fight on the German side, the Latvian Division and Estonian Division of the Waffen SS being two examples.
One of the things we were repeatedly told was that the “NAZIS” were all liars. I put the word “NAZIS” in quotes because it is a pejorative term meant to insult every time it’s spoken. With the Jews responsibility for virtually everything that came from the allies, I would like to hear the word “kike” spoken as a response whenever the word “NAZI” is used.
From the Katyn massacre of fifteen to twenty thousand Poles, to the holocaust, to the claim that Germany started the war and “wanted to take over the while world,” to virtually almost everything spoken against the Germans are all lies. And that includes Alexander’s suggestion that Germany attacked the peaceful Soviet Union. I have doubts there have ever been such a group of outrageous liars as the USA, England, the Soviet Union and France and I now suspect this is because of the dominating or at least very powerful role Jews played in each country. Alexander may not want to hear about the Jews of the Soviet Union but their huge role and initially dominating role can’t be ignored by anyone seeking the truth.
The Russians finally admitted they had killed all those Poles at Katyn after forty five years of at least some of the suspicion being on the Germans. The claim that Germany started the Soviet-Russian war with an unprovoked attack is now thought to be completely wrong by some historians. Some historians believe the Soviets had amassed a huge force and was preparing to strike Germany, but Germany made a pre-emptive strike. A book by the Russian historian Victor Suvorov has made a big impact, but the mainstream media is doing its best to keep it from getting coverage, just as they did with Putin’s speech on Jews dominant role in the USSR.
One thing is for sure, Germany was peaceful and prospering and people were enjoying themselves soon after Hitler took power and fixed Germany’s economic problems within one year while the communists were killing millions in the USSR and the Jews were telling everyone in the west just the opposite, saying Stalin and the USSR were wonderful while Hitler was evil. “NAZI” Germany was morally superior to the USSR and they vowed to stop the murdering Jews at the German border in the east.
Here is perhaps the most outrageous lie a leader has ever made, speaking to his nation. Americans deserve having half their population wiped out for what this liar did and to this day Americans defend. For the second time in less than twenty five years the Americans took advantage of a world war to murder millions of Germans in an unprovoked attack. Here is a film of Roosevelt delivering his Navy Day speech in 1941. The speech was delivered about four months after the bloodiest war in history broke out, the Soviet – German war of WW II. Every available man the Germans had was fighting on the eastern front. In this speech FDR says he has in his hands a “secret map” that was made in Berlin by the “NAZIS.” FDR said the “NAZIS” have reorganized South America into five “vassal states” and plan to take it over.
In the early 1970’s the British admitted they created this phony map and fed it to Roosevelt. Any suggestion that Germany even had the ability to take over South America, especially when it was already fighting the Soviet Union and Great Britain is ludicrous.
Like Lasha and Alexander, I also believe the best thing for the world but particularly for Russia, Germany and Europe is that Germany and Russia develop strong, friendly relations. It is not revisionist historians that are causing the bad relations between Germans and Russians. It is definitely the Germans fault this time, but as usual it’s not right wing fascists attacking Putin and Russia. It’s Germany’s “liberal”, “democratic” gov’t under American domination. It is long past time Germany tells the Americans to take their troops home and tell the Poles and everyone else in the east they will not be allowed to start another war in Europe.
Nothing that comes out can sour relations between Russia and Germany. Some people already know about the seventy years of lies. I already have an idea of what the Soviets, Americans and the others did. My anger is about the lies and these lies have to be exposed if the Jews power is going to be broken. Until then, there will be no peace.
Where Stalin is concerned, I have nothing against a mildly “revisionist” defence of the man — assuming he ever accomplished anything positive — but if he did, I have never heard about it.
The “industrialization” of the Soviet Union was achieved by signing lucrative contracts with Western capitalists, much of which was never paid for (see ARE THE RUSSIANS TEN FEET TALL? by Werner Keller).
Much of the “progress” of communist countries generally was achieved by confiscating the harvests from millions of peasants, who were left to starve, while the Soviet built, manned and trained a fleet of two million paratroopers, more than the rest of the world put together. This is discussed in detail in ICEBREAKER.
Mao used the same tactic (see MAO: THE UNTOLD STORY) by Jung Chang and Jonathon Halliday. Peasants ate grass, leaves and the bark off trees, while Mao bought modern technology from the Soviets and Western capitalists.
If that’s “progress”, I’d rather have a bowl of rice and no progress at all, thank you very much.
“…germans are very racist, murderous people; yet the countries that won the war are worse…”
“Cet animal est tres mèchant, quand on l’attaque, il se défend.”
@ Carlos W. Porter
Thank you for your comments here, Carlos. I have learned much from you over the years. Your invaluable work on the Holocaust is second to none. I remember reading an article of yours several years ago about the Nuremberg trials. I am looking for some specific information and am wondering if you happen to know the answer to this question.
How many Jewish judges, lawyers and interrogators did the Americans take over with them to Nuremberg, Dachau and elsewhere in Europe to interrogate the alleged “Nazi” war criminals… often crushing their testicles in order to extract confessions from them? Was it 400? I heard that figure mentioned somewhere, but I am trying to verify and find a good source for this figure.
I understand that the Jews at Nuremberg were among the most sadistic interrogators and went to the most extraordinary lengths of brutality to extract confessions from the helpless Germans. If you happen to have a good link which gives details about torture at Nuremberg, I’d be grateful. Thank you.
Submitted on 2015/07/28 at 11:29 pm
I live in NM. Saturday I met 3 people that came from Crimea. They were hesitant to speak “politics” with me as they live in a foreign country. After showing my unusual not believing in all American bs, they opened up some. One lady had been in Crimea just this last January. She said things there are the best she had ever seen it. She is somewhere in her 60s. They country is thriving, the people are happy, with less mental stress than ever before. So much for the official US (per)version. If you want real news in a main stream format, we have to go to RT or Al Jezeera.
Stalin and the Bolsheviks weren’t Russians as we would think of them. They murdered 55-100 million of their “own” people. The standing order about German women in the final invasion was, “If they run, shoot them; if they don’t, rape them.”. Now the starvation and death by exposure of 1.5 million German soldiers after WW2 was ALL American.
For the past seventy years the British, Americans and others celebrated the mass murder of millions of Germans with television shows and movies glorifying the bombing of German cities and murdering the dehumanized Germans. With Jews domination of Hollywood they lead this demonization of the Germans, continuing their leading efforts in propaganda and diplomacy that lead to WW II. And now finally after all these years on the internet blogs and websites like this, from the countries that committed these war crimes are showing some sympathy for the Germans (but not on the mainstream media where Jews still celebrate the murder of Germans).
The very countries that murdered over ten million Germans, gang raped millions of its women and completely levelled the most advanced country in the world have blogs and websites that say what was done was wrong and many are showing evidence that Jews lead these atrocities. But this asshole Avatar objects to this. He would prefer the Hollywood demonization to continue.
He writes “a few years ago, u.s. soldiers systematically raped iraqi women during and after desert storm [and] you deflect, deny, excuse and change the subject…but you cry for the rape of german women 70 years ago at the hands of other white men and acknowledge it with tears on your keyboards hipocrites!”
You stupid moron. The whites (although most likely most were NOT whites, many or most were Jews or certainly led by Jewish propaganda encouraging them to rape) that gang raped those two million German women hated them more than anything else in the world, by contrast with loving and admiring Muslims. You idiot. You write “other white men” committed those rapes. If whites were a unified race that were racist against non-whites do you think they would have gang-raped two million German women and completely destroyed the most advanced white country in the world?
Then he writes “we know about the nazis and the holocaust. We are sure of the pain inflicted on jews. period.” And you are “sure” of this how? Because the people that murdered and raped those millions of Germans pushed thru laws that put Germans and other Europeans in jail (the latest being a brave German lawyer named Sylvia Stolz) who say it didn’t happen and everything shows it is the biggest lie — the biggest avalanche of lies against a people in history.
And what this idiot Avatar apparently does not know is that the lies and demonization of the Germans, and corresponding sympathy for the Jews, is what allowed the Jews to steal Palestine and has allowed Jews to dominate American foreign policy and destroy most of the middle east while making Israel one of the few nuclear military powers in the world.
He apparently also does not know, that while he shits on the two million German women that were gang raped, the Germans and their leader was the closest thing Arabs had as a friend in Europe.
Submitted on 2015/07/29 at 4:17 am
The Soviet Army was lined up on the border of Germany ready to overrun Germany and all of Europe. It would have been Communism of Europe in 1941. Adolf Hitler made a pre-emptive strike and they ran. Stalin tricked Adolf Hitler. Stalin supposedly was a Georgian Jew. Of course your young Russian man is brainwashed by his Russian schooling. With so much Russian pride and lies from his leaders and lies from the German leaders (who are Jews), it’s hard to believe that anything but their lies are true. The Russians practiced the burned earth during retreat to destroy all homes, land, etc. so the German military could not use it. It was the Jewish leaders [who ordered all this] and at the end result was that Stalin ended up killing at least 66 Million Russian civilians.
They also killed my relatives and my immediate ethnic German family members. I have German books about the Russian crimes, forbidden to be read in Germany, Europe and Russia. This young man [Alexander] cannot be helped. Let him stay in his fantasy land.
In the end it does not really matter if Stalin was a Jew or not. There is conflicting info out there. In any case he worked closely with the Jews who took up a huge portion of his government. He, like the other Soviet leaders, murdered tens of millions of people. He was a deceiver, not an honorable man, that’s why he most likely was a Jew… says one thing and does another. (Lie and cheat the goyim! – Talmudic law) And then his cruelty! Fits the Jews to the T. What have these Russian citizens ever done to him but help build up the country? Nothing! So he killed them so he can rob what they created and worked for. To him they were nothing but insects. And that’s what the Jews say about us gentiles.
What many Russians forget is Stalin was a Georgian, not Russian. Also he had ample warning of Operation Barbarossa, not only from his spies, such as Richard Sorge in Tokyo, the Lucy spy ring and also the Red Orchestra, headed by Leopold Trepper, but also from the British from their decryption of “Ultra”. Another indication they were going to be attacked came from the German planes overflying the western USSR on recce missions. In some cases flights landed through mechanical faults in the USSR, but were allowed to return to Germany by the Soviets. Stalin ignored all these warnings claiming they were provocations.
There is anecdotal evidence to indicate that at Politburo meetings Stalin and Beria would sit and talk in Georgian for a couple of hours and then Stalin would turn to the other non-Georgian members and inform them as to what the meeting had resolved. Russia defeated Germany despite Stalin not because of him. Which is why I find it bizarre that Russians today can have any respect for him.
red onions quotes: “Stalin’s every movement is made under Jewish eyes.” : That, too, is ongoing, with Biden hovering behind Obama, more like his minder, than his VP..
re your fracas with Magnus Dux Pollonorum
Allow me to tell you what I think…I believe I have the “bigger picture.”
- Magnus Dux Pollonorum (henceforth “MDP”), like Alexander M and the late “Circassian”, belongs in the Pro-Stalin camp. You yourself have made the colossal mistake of backing this mass murderer and refusing to confront the facts under your very nose: that Stalin’s regime was a JEWISH regime through and through and that Stalin presided over the genocide of 66 million Russians and the attempt to eradicate Christianity in the Soviet Union and establish Communistic atheism.
Stalin wasn’t a Jew himself, but he was the ultimate shabbat goy and helped to promote the agenda of Marx and Lenin, both of them Jews.
You have been misled by the fact that Stalin in later life bumped off a few Jews and may himself have been killed by Jews (“the Doctors’ Plot”) into thinking that Stalin was an “anti-Semite”. Hence he has won your support. The point is, Stalin was NEVER a real anti-Semite. Most of his ministers and advisors were Jews. His mistresses were Jewesses. He bumped off only Jews who got in his way, above all supporters of the Jew TROTSKY whom he hated implacably. In short, Stalin did not hate Jews; he only hated TROTSKYITE Jews who were a thorn in his flesh.
In still clinging to your dreadful delusion that Stalin was a good guy, you are in a sense putting yourself into the same camp as MDP. You are BOTH BATTING FOR STALIN. Can’t you see that?
There is a strong PRO-STALIN movement in Russia right now. This is coming from Jews. Why? Because Stalin’s regime was a JEWISH REGIME, so vindicating Stalin is part and parcel of the aims of international Jewry. MDP is not batting for Stalin because Stalin was a good guy. He is batting for Stalin because Stalin was a tool of international Jewry and did the Jews’ work for them.
Please read this post carefully and do not misunderstand me. I believe absolutely in your sincerity and high intelligence, but in giving your support to the mass-murdering psychopath Stalin, genocider of 66 million innocent Russians, destroyer of Christian churches, chief torturer for the bloodthirsty cheka, filler up of the grim gulags all staffed and run by Jews, you have gone woefully astray!
BTW, all my views are shared my Lasha. I know her well and these are her views too. She has read a lot about Stalin and has arrived at the firm conclusion that anyone who praises Stalin is either a Jew or profoundly ignorant of 20th-century Russian history.
Trust Solzhenitsyn if you cannot trust Lasha. Solzhenitsyn had no illusions about Stalin. He himself says that the Stalin regime killed 66 million innocent Russians. He had a vast knowledge of Russian history. He knew from personal experience in the gulags that the Stalin regime was a JEWISH REGIME. Check this out:
(non-Jew writing under Jewish name)
ok ruth, thanks for post.
i cannot gainsay anything you said because i still feel that much by way of solid facts and unasailable evidence is missing.
this history is maybe the murkiest ever. the murkiest history in history.
so, at risk of being made into pat’s dart board, i must declare myself a fence sitter.
as much as i value and trust your and lasha’s opinion as well as solzhenitsyn’s – in no particular order of preference, that kollontai interview throws me off completely, especially given that it was published before the war. something in there really smells of a ripe jew, especially considering how eager they are all of a sudden to turn against him and he was their main hero when he joined battle with hitler.
do you see my dilemma? not that you’ll ever catch me burning incense before stalin’s bust and praying for his safe passage thru hades.
To: LD July 28, 2015 at 9:55 pm
I’m afraid I can’t answer that question with regards to the First Nuremberg Trial. I only know the transcript; I know relatively little about the background to the trial (which is what most people concentrate on).
I know that David Maxwell-Fyfe was Jewish; no doubt there were many others, mostly relatively minor personnel.
You can be absolutely CERTAIN that nearly ALL the interrogators and interpreters in ALL the trials were Jewish, because the Americans stamped out the German language from all American schools during WWI (when they were not busy kicking dachshunds and banning German-language newspapers, of which there were 300 in 1914, almost none by about 1917); plus schools were discouraged from teaching German, and have been ever since, so German Jewish refugees were almost the only competent people they had; of course, other “German-Americans” could not be trusted not to be “Nazis”.
So they were stuck with the Jews.
That there was a great deal of mistreatment and torture in the minor trials is absolutely certain. But I can’t give you a great deal of additional specific information. The only witness or defendant at the First Nuremberg Trial who claimed to have been physically tortured (as distinguished from merely threatened) was Julius Streicher. There were 13 Nuremberg Trials. I am not particularly familiar with the last 12, for a number of reasons. The book versions are not reliable; you would have to buy the transcripts on microfilm, in German and English. They are expensive. Also, they do not describe the documents correctly, as they did in the First Trial. For example, they do not indicate whether or not a document bears a handwritten or typewritten signature. You think “Keitel, wow!!!” But when you get the (negative) photocopy, it’s a “typewritten signature”! (and letterhead as well).
Also, the transcripts are not complete; they are heavily “edited”. All you get in book form is bits and pieces. For example, questions are strung together without the answers. You can get all the trials on DVD on amazon, if you search for “Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal”, but you still have all these problems.
The volume entitled “Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression” is completely worthless, in my view.
You should research the Malmedy trial, which seems to have been the most widely publicized case. More and more stories of routine torture by the British and Americans seem to be surfacing all the time, so there should be a great deal of evidence. I recommend “Massacre à Malmédy?” by Gerd J. August Cuppens, in French, a rather rare book.
I reproduced a couple of accounts of torture at the Dachau trials in “War Crimes Trials and Other Essays”. But I’m sure it’s only the tip of the iceberg, to say the least. Minor personnel could no doubt be tortured with impunity, and 99% of them would be afraid even to mention it. It would be hard to get away with torturing somebody like Goering.
Sorry I can’t say more. There’s a lot of literature on the subject, more all the time. The Brits appear to have been surprisingly enthusiastic torturers, whether Jewish or not.
@ Carlos W. Porter
(LUCA K THREAD)
This phenomenon that a man from a region marginal to a country attains fame (or notority) in that country is not uncommon in history.
The Macedonian Alexander the Great and Greece, the Corsican Napoleon and France, the Austrian Hitler and Germany and the Georgian Stalin and Russia come to mind. Perhaps there are more.
As for Stalin, he was a monster, no matter how much he contributed to the industrialization of Russia and its “Great Patriotic War” against Germany. His paranoia towards his colleagues was so great that he killed almost all of them and for him massmurder was only a “statistic”.
I understand that nations need a national myth to rally around, but Stalin as “icon” of such a myth for a resurgent Russia is a bad choise. Perhaps Peter The Great would be a better choise.
MAGNUS DUX POLONORUM
Submitted on 2015/07/29 at 7:05 pm
Let me reiterate myself:
The fact of life is, Stalin is cherished by millions of Russians, pretty much like Putin nowadayas, in fact the latter if often compared to the former. Stalin is most definitely NOT responsible for the Red Terror. Quite the contrary, it is him who had all the Jewish perpetrators of this horrendous cirme, executed in what was later called the Great Purge.
As to Solzhenitsyn, as far as I know, he is not very highly regarded by ordinary Russians; They say the single book (“200 years Together”) can’t possibly make up for his decades in the service of America, his treacherous slandering USSR in the Western press etc. They claim he only started to write about the Jews because his books would not sell otherwise in Russia. After he finally reemigrated back to Russia, he was deemed persona non grata. Western media like to use him as a chief demonizer of Stalin, but interestingly, they somehow never mention his anti-Jewish book, the last of his reportoir.
@Stalin and the Great Purge – that is why he is so hated and demonized by Jews the world-over, perhaps even more so than Hitler himself.
Submitted on 2015/07/30 at 4:23 am
@MAGNUS DUX POLONORUM
Yawnnn, here we have a hysterical Polish ‘nationalist’ type! These guys r really good at one thing; hate.
The Russians, BTW, do not care much for u guys… after all, you types hate Russia almost as much as you hate Germany.
Poland today continues to play the role of useful idiot(serving ZUSA against Russia), just as it was used to provoke WWII by Zusa, the war party in ZUK and the reluctant French. So sad. Some things apparently never change…
Also, your posts are fairly illogical… you praise Poland about stopping the Bolshevik ‘hordes’ but idolize Stalin, who invaded Poland from the East and took more than half of it in 39 and then turned Poland, at the end of the war, against the will of most Poles, into a Soviet satellite?
Not to mention your hero Stalin had thousands of Polish intelligentsia murdered, Katyn was only the tip of the iceberg… so your position comes out sorta Schizophrenic… or very suspicious…
YOU seem very impressed by silly little things, such as Stalin being moderately well perceived in Russia these days… So what? Are you really that thick? Propaganda does wonders to people… Hell, you r a perfect example of propaganda’s outcome.
Let’s not compare Putin to your hero, Stalin. Putin may be a ruthless man – a man in his position has to be – but he is no mass murderer. Stalin and his regime’s crimes are well documented by Soviet archives. We also do not need the Jews to account for the Stalinist regime crimes; After the Jewish presence was ‘downsized’, the regime continued to carry out terrible crimes. And while it is true that many Jews have no love for Stalin due to his turning on them, many of Stalins key apologists are Jews, even Israelis. Ever heard of Gabriel Gorodetsky?
Solzhenitsyn did NOT provide services for Zamerica, unlike the Polish useful idiots to this day do. Telling the truth about the Stalin regime and the Gulag is not “treacherous slandering”.
Only liars would call Solzhenitsyn a traitor to his country, something he never was.
Stalin isn’t hated by Jews. When was the last time Jews made an anti-Stalin movie, or wrote an anti-Stalin book, or invoked Stalin in their speeches?
@ LUKA C
I see that you are strongly in the camp of the pious “Innocent Hitler” believers : Hitler only wanted the German territories back lost due to the Versailles treaty and his attack on the Soviet Union was only preventive and of course the Nazis behaved “honorably” in the East.
But have you ever heard about the German idea of Lebensraum? For starters :
from which the following quote :
“…The Nazis supported territorial expansionism to gain Lebensraum as being a law of nature for all healthy and vigorous peoples of superior races to displace people of inferior races; especially if the people of a superior race were facing overpopulation in their given territories.
It was the stated policy of the Nazis to kill, deport, or enslave the Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, and other Slavic populations, whom they considered inferior, and to repopulate the land with Germanic people…”
Look at the map in that article and ask yourself if a Lebensraum from Germany up to the Urals really only contained “lost German territories”.
For more detailed information on the Lebensraum project, see :
For information on the conduct of your “noble” Nazis in Poland, see :
The Nazis also planned to steal food from the East to feed Germany and starve the “inferior” Slavs at the same time :
Hitler also planned to completely destroy St. Petersburg, Moscow and Stalingrad.
St. Petersburg is a cultural city with beautiful canals, buildings, palaces and musea, but the Führer wanted it to be destroyed. Moscow would be destroyed and covered by a lake.
Himmler once called Hitler “greater than Genghis Khan”. I’m afraid he was right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum” Oh yes, if the Jews do say so themselves. Jewish attempts at demonizing Hitler are so over the top, there is not the slightest chance of getting ANY balanced account about the German’s 1933 – 1945 era – from them or anyone remotely associated with them. After all, their entire existence is dependent on the Hollowhoax narration and the image of the diabolical, demonic Nadzee. Yet, even their most prolific lies are losing strength against the truth. Here is a six hour series on Hitler.
No doubt the creators of this series are strongly in the camp of the pious “Innocent Hitler” believers, but watch it anyways and then discount the information presented. While the Jews continually whine and kevtch about their mythical six million victims, there is one glaring fact that cannot be denied, to wit, Hitler never murdered HIS OWN PEOPLE and he certainly never employed hideous methods like starvation for cold-blooded mass murder.
Despite all the Jewish horror tales of Nadzee torture, nothing the Germans did in that regard ever came close to the mind-bending atrocities committed by the soviets. Spend a few hours reviewing the unbelievably sadistic torture methods used by the Soviet NKVD. The rat torture, so hideous Eric Blair used it in his book “1984” for shock value. Burying people alive and then digging them up – repeatedly, much like Jews did to their own people in Biblical times. Pulling out the end of a victim’s intestines and nailing it to a tree, before chasing the victim around the tree to unravel their intestines. And yet they have the chutzpa to claim Hitler and the Nadzees were evil and demonic?
As I have written time and again, watch the Jew’s horror movies for a glimpse into the deepest, darkest, recesses of their mind. The only thing that exceeds their fantasy horror is their factual horror. After all who else would torture a toddler by slowly bleeding him to death before drinking his blood?http://www.stsimonoftrent.com/
Submitted on 2015/07/30 at 6:02 pm
I stopped reading your silly reply at “But have you ever heard about the German idea of Lebensraum?”
Franklin, you simply DO NOT KNOW what you are talking about. Your premisses are false and obviously so are your conclusions. Thanks for all the wiki links though… not. You see, if you had provided a wiki link in regards to, say, the newest Ferrari model, that would have been fine.
But politically charged historical events, even more so, NS Germany??
Useless Frank… Better luck next time but for now, no cookies…
Do I think Hitler was a winged angel? NO. Was he the monster he is painted to be? NO.
Did the nazis never do wrong? They did. But so did everyone else. The war had many fathers but the key ones were ZUSA, USSR, ZUK(through its war party).
Was the war against the USSR a ‘preventive’ war? The term does not really matter, preemptive, first strike, whatever. Germany attacked bc German intel picked up the huge military build up on its borders which could only mean one thing; a coming mega Soviet offensive.
There are NO serious arguments against the wealth of facts and documentation that have been put forth by many historians, perhaps most of them, Russians. Germany had no choice.
The German strike had NOTHING to do with any silly notion of ‘Lebensraum’. Did the Germans commit crimes on the Eastern Front? Certainly. But no more than the Soviets and very likely less.
BTW Franklin, I was reading your comments re Nasrallah speech days ago and I was appalled. Your Knowledge of the situation in the ME is terrible and your logic absurd. Again, work from BS sources and you’ll reach wrong conclusions.
Your list of to-do things re Palestine could easily have been written by a zionist.
I will try to find time to dissect some of the NONSENSE you wrote in your posts re Nasrallahs speech.
The Germans lost because they didn’t kill enough people.
The Russians won because they killed enough Germans.
Submitted on 2015/07/30 at 9:03 pm
I just catch up with the cordial exchange between Alexander and Lasha and with the very interesting commenting section. And the good comment by LucaK.
Oncle Joe, a fascinating character, just like Bonaparte. From street thug to Tsar.
Well, he was a bloody paranoid mass murdering tyrant, I won’t deny that, just like Ivan the Terrible he liked so much, with a dead count only exceeded by Mao le petit père des peuples.
Except he was a special kind of “communist”, a national one, unlike Lenine and Trostky who were supposed to export the global communist revolution in Occidental Europe, with its leader in NY and London’s skyscrapers. The WWI and the absurd treaty of Versailles created all the economic preconditions for the revolution to happen in Germany with inflation, unemployment and mass poverty.
« The fate of global revolution is played out in the West. Through the dead body of white Poland, the road leads to the embers of global blaze. On our bayonets we will bring happiness and peace to the workers of the world. To the west! »
Order number 1423, July 1920, for the western troops signed by Toukhatchevski, Smilga, Unschlicht and Schwartz.
Except Pilsudsky brilliantly defeated the Red Army in Varsaw, with the help of Stalin who disobeyed the order of Toukhatchevski. Maybe Poland saved Europe and Germany from the invasion of the Bolchies.
After the suspicious death of Lenin, Trotsky, the real leader of the Revolution since day one and Kerensky, was supposed to succeed Lenin since he held all the threads of power. But he became ill at the decisive moment and Stalin, who would have been eliminated otherwise, hijacked the revolution with his Russian nationalism or pan-Russianism, starting the rise of the National-Communists in the Central Commitee, as opposed to the Internationalist-Communists of Trotsky, mostly Jews. After that, he consolidated his totalitarian power with the police bureaucratic omnipotent state he created with his feverish activity, and began to purge the Party of the Trotskyists with the help of the new aristocracy that emerged from the rest of nationalism that remained. Stalin killed the Revolution, using it for its services by representing the Russian imperialism, just like Bonaparte. Stalin was not really a communist, just an opportunist, who benefited from the events to take the power for himself.
Therefore, he ruined the plan of world communist revolution, since he was reluctant to attack Poland and Weimar republic Germany, which had been created for an invasion. Consequently, the international bankers, seeing that they couldn’t overthrow Stalin, decided to finance Germany as the future aggressor state of URSS, for geographical and demographic reasons, just like they did to overthrow the Tsar and the Austrian empire with a war, the most effective way to achieve the Revolution according to the Leninist dogma. In this context, Hitler emerged and rallied the unemployed starving proletariat under the anti-communist program of the National Socialist revolution, while, according to the conditions created by the Versailles treaty, German workers should have made the triumph of the Communist revolution by rallying the International, the armed force of the International Bankers. That’s why they supported Germany first, Dawes and Young Plans imagined by Montagu Norman with the help of german financiers like Schacht to create the industrial cartels, IG Farben owned by Warburg, AEG the german twin of GE and Vereinigte Stahlwerke. And Hitler NSPD after 1929, who received vast amount of money from the Pilgrim society.
But Hitler betrayed the Bankers by restoring an economic system where he took over for himself the privilege of manufacturing money and used it for the benefit of the State, eliminating unemployment. The bankers also realized that nationalism, an obstacle to world revolution, was still very present in Europe, like the cases of URSS and Germany had demonstrated. That’s why war in Europe was inevitable at this point. Potocky, the Polish ambassador in Washington, reported William Bullit words in November 1939 “ The war will last six years and will end by a complete disaster in Europe and with the triumph of communism”.
The war started by the invasion of Poland by the socialisms, the last Christian bastion of the old order, after the German-Soviet Pact and its secret protocol, where Stalin and Molotov manipulated Hitler and Ribbentrop into invading Poland, as they knew that the Occidental democracies would never declare war to both Germany and URSS, the anglo-american elites reproducing the same maneuver than in 1914. The rest is the biggest butchery in the history of man, but the goals were accomplished, with the protection of the private money supply, the end/disgrace of nationalism, the complete destruction of Christianity in the political structures, the expansion of communism and the creation of the UN after the failure of the Société des Nations. WWII was just one step backward, two steps forward, the Fabian way.
Stalin in all that did all he could to preserve his power by playing the occidental imperialisms against each others. He is the greatest realpolitical mind of the century, like it or not , understanding and anticipating the events. He turned URSS into the second dominant world power with the sacrifice of Russian population and the help of the USA, the best enemy money can buy, you are absolutely right Pat.
He looks so satisfied of himself on the Yalta picture. And now he is absolutely diabolized in continental Europe by the ex-Trotskyists.
I understand why the Russians nationalist like Alexander and Putin don’t want to smear his name since he extracted Russia from the messianic Talmudic world revolution to a national vision, with one-country socialism. He was a counter revolutionary. Like Putin who prevented the neo liberal looting revolution after Elstine, and who knows that the same Trotskyists responsible for the revolution in the name of Bolshevism are in control of the US congress with bribery and intimidation. I don’t blame him for not exposing Stalin for what he was and what he did, as we have the same phenomenon with Napoleon. How could he when you consider the sacrifices of the Russian population?
“God threw the Hebrews out of Egypt, and Stalin threw them out of Komintern.”
That’s a URSS joke, maybe that’s why i keep hearing “Stalin the anti-Semite…….”
By the way, about “Poland the useful idiot”, I find it particularly misplaced, as Poland had this tendency to be the place where the interests of Germany and Russia seemed to magically converged, since the time of Catherine II and Frederic. Sorry, but atm, the useful idiot of world revolution in Europe is Germany, since the time of Weishaupt and still is through the European union, employing the cheap eastern labor force to bankrupt every European industries.
And Hitler was the useful idiot of Stalin of course, but since he made him possible in the first place.
If you would have mustered the necessary courage to read the wikipedia articles you could have read quotes from Hitler’s Mein Kampf where he himself talks about Lebensraum for the German people in Europe.
Even if Stalin had not planned an invasion of Germany, Hitler would still have invaded Russia for the realization of his Lebensraum Project. You don’t need to march all the way to Leningrad, Moscow or Stalingrad (let alone to destroy those cities) to defeat an army near Germany’s border. You can find quotes from Hitler’s Table Talk about his plans to destroy those cities in my comments on this article :
As for my advice to the Palestinians to accept a two state solution, that is only based on realism and has nothing to do with sympathies or even historical justice. The Jews have settled in Palestine and the Palestinians have lost the battle against them. Acts of terrorism or firing rockets from Gaza will not change that. They can only choose between an unpleasant reality or a dream that will never come true but only will make their reality worse. But I am afraid fanatical emotional people are bad realists.
Submitted on 2015/07/31 at 10:33 am
For the pious members of the “Noble Hitler & Noble Nazis” Church, here is some disturbing information which will hopefully cause some cognitive dissonance in their prejudiced minds :
Mass rapes 
Rapes were allowed in practice by the German military in eastern and southeastern Europe, while northern and western countries were relatively spared. In Occupied Denmark, which initially agreed to collaborate with Nazi Germany, rapes were not widespread, and German officials promised to punish them. By contrast thousands of Soviet female nurses, doctors and field medics fell victim to rape when captured, and were often murdered afterwards. German soldiers used to brand the bodies of captured partisan women – and other women as well – with the words “Whore for Hitler’s troops” and rape them. Following their capture some German soldiers vividly bragged about committing rape and rape-homicide. In the Soviet Union alone an estimates regarding the rape of Soviet women by the Wehrmacht range up to 10,000,000 incidents, with between 750,000 and 1,000,000 children being born as a result.
Birgit Beck in her work Rape: The Military Trials of Sexual Crimes Committed by Soldiers in the Wehrmacht, 1939–1944 describes the leniency in punishing sex crimes by German authorities in the East, at the same time pointing out heavy punishments applied in the West. If a soldier who committed a rape was subsequently convicted by a court-martial, he would usually be sentenced to four years in prison The German penal code was also valid for soldiers in war. but rapes were rarely prosecuted in practice and rapes by Germans of non-German women were not taken seriously, nor was it punishable by death, especially in the eastern European territories.
In Soviet Russia rapes were only a concern if they undermined military discipline. The German military command viewed them as another method of crushing Soviet resistance. Since 1941, rape was theoretically punishable with the death sentence; however, this only concerned the rape of German women and was intended to protect German communities.
In October 1940 the laws on rape were changed, making it a “petitioned crime” – that is a crime for which punishment had to be requested. Historian Christa Paul writes that this resulted in “a nearly complete absence of prosecution and punishment for rape”. There were rape cases in the east where the perpetrators were sentenced if the rape was highly visible, damaging to the image of the German Army and the courts were willing to pass a condemning verdict against the accused.
According to the historian Regina Mühlhäuser the Wehrmacht also used sexual torture and undressing in numerous cases of interrogations.
Wehrmacht brothel system
Main article: German military brothels in World War II
Under the German occupation, a widespread system of sexual slavery (forced prostitution) was instituted. The Wehrmacht also ran brothels where women were forced to work. The reason for establishing these brothels was the German officials’ fear of venereal disease and onanism (masturbation). The Oberfeldarzt der Wehrmacht (Chief Field Doctor of the Wehrmacht) drew attention to “the danger of [the] spread of homosexualism”.
On May 3, 1941 the Foreign Ministry of the Polish Government in Exile issued a document describing the mass raids carried out in Polish cities with the aim of capturing young women, who were later forced to work in brothels attended by German officers and soldiers.
In the Soviet Union women were kidnapped by German forces for prostitution; one report by the International Military Tribunal stated that “in the city of Smolensk the German Command opened a brothel for officers in one of the hotels into which hundreds of women and girls were driven; they were mercilessly dragged down the street by their arms and hair.”
The Nuremberg trials did not prosecute anyone for rape or other sexual violence; rape was defined as a crime against humanity, but prosecution was not included because such crimes had “no nexus to war”.
But there is an easy cop-out : Just say :”Oh but that is from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is controlled by Jews, therefore it is all a lie!”
Right, continue singing hymns in your “Noble Hitler & Noble Nazis” Church!
Submitted on 2015/07/31 at 4:25 pm
When I was in Russia I experienced Russian pride in their contribution to the “Great War.” Russians kept the German army from entering Moscow, preventing Hitler from taking the city. Russians starved and died by the millions during the siege of Leningrad. It does seem that Russians have this self-image as a people who cannot be conquered because they can endure so much. Stalin is still admired because he cared about Russian imperialism–greater Russia. But in fact Stalin was a coward. Stalin knew the German army was going to surround Leningrad (St. Petersburg) and was paralyzed by fear into doing nothing for days, resulting in the Siege.
Visiting Russia gave me my first glimpse of World War II. For example, I didn’t know that Germany was nearly out of oil at the beginning of the War and part of the German strategy was to get to the Caspian Sea oil fields, which Russia prevented.
I guess Americans aren’t suppose to know this because then they might ask the obvious question of how this fits in with the Holocaust story. Would a leader who was chronically short of fuel make it a priority to kill Jews, using precious fuel in crematoriums to dispose of the bodies?
Basically the history of WWII is in shambles to the point where even formulating a question is difficult.
If we had known about our atrocities against the Germans, might we have as a people been able to prevent atrocities of the Cold War, or the wars fought to “remake the Middle East?” I still know very little about WWII, but I know enough now to at least say that we weren’t the “good guys.”
Submitted on 2015/07/31 at 5:23 pm | In reply to kapoore.
Kapoore – Join the rest of us….
No one knows for sure other than the Pharisee banker designers.
One thing can be stated with great certainty… there are NO “good guys” in Pharisee bankers’ wars. Their intent is bad on all sides.
Submitted on 2015/07/31 at 8:03 pm
Regarding the mass rapes of Germany women and the article “who raped 2 million german”.
Well, soldiers, because soldiers are rapists, the “winners” at least. The question should have been “Who haven’t raped German women?” German women were raped by members of the Russian, Polish, French and American forces during and at the end of World War II. During their flight to the West and the period of expulsions, German girls and women were also raped by Czechs, Serbians and Slovenians.
Now if you consider the context of the Red Army composed of a mixture of different characters and ethnic traditions, the violence of the fight on the eastern front, and the fact that they had previously raped Russian and Polish girls on the way, it was pretty clear what would happen in defeated Germany with the women of “the master race”, propaganda or not.
Who raped the Italian women? The French troop of Marechal Juin, even if it was mostly North African troops. They even raped children, men, priests and animals. There is a movie about this with Sofia Loren. (The most beautiful women in the world are from Southern Italia, it’s almost embarrassing for the others.)
Who raped the French women? The GIs, who raped indiscriminately their “allies” and their “enemies”; but they won the war.
You ask for balance and you are right, but this article only fosters unnecessary hatred between Germans and Russians. Franklyn is right in his reply about seeing everything in black and white, but I read him struggling on the Occidental Observer. I don’t even care if German soldiers raped women in USSR, I know they didn’t in France. Maybe they were too busy fighting elsewhere.
I like this website because the balance is “in favor” of Germany while on my usual Italian, Spanish and French websites, it’s quite the opposite, but the consensus is reachable. But hey I am not giving any editorial advice, as the interaction that emerged was very instructive, especially between Alexander and Lasha.
We all see WII from different perspectives . . .
Submitted on 2015/07/31 at 10:53 pm | In reply to lobro.
i will wind down my participation in this, with the following couple of remarks, after that – done.
i was in romania couple of years ago and spoke to locals who to a man told me that germans were real gentlemen, always paid for requisitioned material and left a wonderful impression, whereas they had to hide womenfolk under bales of hay and such when the red army advanced into the region.
i can tell you that they had no love lost for russians at the time, yet were willing to listen to my arguments about how putin’s government and the politburo system of his offers a possible salvation from the chifoot (turkish slang for jew).
did wehrmacht commit crimes and atrocities? of course, but on a limited, individual scale. show me the slightest documentary evidence of german high command instructing the troops that the rape clause has been relaxed on any of the multiple fronts.
go to tanzania and ask the people what they think of the past german rule of their wonderfully skilled askari bush warriors and guerrilla fighters led by german officers who slept, ate and fought alongside their men like savannah born.
fair is fair but it seems that most people are simply incapable of weighing evidence in a rational way, no wonder there are so precious few good judges on earth.
Submitted on 2015/08/01 at 12:45 am | In reply to lobro.
lobro make case to convince
with words no meaning to mince
its logic astute brilliance
of narrative’s swayed dissonance. 🙂
Submitted on 2015/08/01 at 8:46 am
lobro offer chief brownhawk heap many thanks, long may friendship run.
it is clear that jews, yes even jews, considered german authorities to be honorable and proud upholders of german law and reputation. And that they, the germans, would go to any length to protect and maintain their reputation for integrity.
red injun sees this clearly but white man, after a long fall from grace and drunk on judas kool aid, does not.
FRANKLIN RYCKAERT (summing up for all):
Submitted on 2015/08/03 at 1:55 pm | In reply to lobro.
The great crimes of human history have indeed been instigated by a small psychopathic minority, but that minority could never successfully operate without the assistance of many other so-called “ordinary” people. Ultimately humanity gets the leadership it deserves.
Many thanks to all for a most stimulating debate. The degree of intelligence shown by the commentariat is truly stunning. Sincere apologies to all those who posted good comments which could not be included here owing to lack of space. Many of the comments we did not post were just as good as the comments we did post.