114 thoughts on “The Animal Cry (video, 4 mins.)

    1. Dear Darkmooners,

      Life is about trying anything that’s worth trying! I personally would love to try some of the more exotic critters such as crocodile, armadillo, camel, scorpions and insects, Huhu grubs, why hell, I’ll even try Harb’s haggis and, dare I say, gas-oven baked jews dipped in sweet and sour sauce, which I hear is a highly prized aphrodisiac among Chinese Nationalists. 🙂

      1. I read somewhere on the internet that they eat human fetuses in China. There were even pictures in the article of human fetuses in a dish of sweet and sour sauce. Would you draw the line at that? Or would you be prepared to give it a go?

      2. What’s going on here at Darkmoon? Has Lasha not been able to find anyone to walk her around a London S&M sex club on a dog leash? Is that why there’s so much talk about the tears of animals?

        I know how much the bitch LERVS her dog collar and just LERVS it when she’s taken on walks around S&M sex clubs. Sounds like Lasha is having a hard time finding a Master. Maybe it’s partly Lasha’s doing. After all, on some days she’s a Sadist and on other days she’s a Masochist. The bitch has just got to decide one or the other and stick to it, or Lasha will never find a suitable S&M partner, and the bitch will always be crying about one thing or another.

        No one is ever happy with anything here at Darkmoon. Putin just handed ZOG an astounding defeat, it will go in the history books, that’s for sure, that’s how stunning and how astounding Putin’s defeat of ZOG is. Putin’s defeat of ZOG put a giant crimp into ZOG’s NWO plans.

        Lighten up Darkmooners : Putin just defeated a Main Pillar of ZOG’s New World Order. One would think you Darkmooners would be at least a little bit happy these days, considering that the ZOG NWO just suffered a Major Defeat — something you Darkmooners always said you dreamed and pined for, the defeat of ZOG. Well, ZOG has just been handed a Major Defeat, yet you Darkmooners are not happy ; For years and years, day-in and day-out, for years and years, you Darkmooners cried about how no one is doing anything to defeat ZOG, how much you all hate ZOG, how horrible it is ZOG rules over us, ZOG must be stopped, ZOG must be destroyed!! .

        Putin shows up, does something about ZOG, defeats ZOG’s agenda you Darkmooners always said you were opposed to — Yet, there’s NO happiness whatsoever emanating from Darkmoon about Putin’s astounding defeat of ZOG. NO happiness about it at all.

        Videre Licet : The Great Gift, by His Grace, His Gift of Light, The Videre Licet of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ God.

        In The Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful :

        “They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves ; but they perceive not. In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. And when it’s said unto them : Make not mischief in the earth, they say : We are peacemakers only. Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not.”

        [ Al Quran ; Al-Baqarah, verses 2:9-2:12 ]

      3. TROJ –
        Here is why there is no rejoicing… from me. Putin is posing for the MSM.

        Putin grabs headlines with a few bottle rockets and hand-grenades as a distraction while…

        China joins NWO ZOG gold ‘fixers’ in London:

        Bank of China becomes first Asian firm to help set London’s gold price
        The bank will be instrumental in determining the price of bullion paid in London’s gold market


        A Chinese bank will become the first Asian firm in history to join a group of Western institutions that help set the price of gold in the London market.
        Bank of China has gained entry to the London Bullion Market Association gold price auction, which takes place twice a day and is widely used as a benchmark by miners, traders and consumers.
        China is the world’s largest producer and consumer of bullion, yet it has never played a major role in setting the price of gold.
        “Bank of China joined LBMA as an initial member in 1987, and has been actively participating in the gold trading business in London for over 40,” said Yu Sun, general manager of Bank of China’s London branch.

      4. JFC, I’ve spent time in Hong Kong and in China and having been subjected to the rudeness, crassness and lack of empathy of the barbaric Chinese people would prefer an eternity in a petting zoo to three months among the Chinese.

      5. Like I already said but you didn’t print…….I’ve spent time in Hong Kong and China among the heartless, crass and rude Chinese and would prefer to spend an eternity in a petting zoo than three weeks among the barbaric Chinese!!

      6. @ Simple Simon

        Simon says: “I read somewhere on the internet that they eat human fetuses in China. There were even pictures in the article of human fetuses in a dish of sweet and sour sauce. Would you draw the line at that? Or would you be prepared to give it a go?”

        Thank you Simon for the question. I hope it was in earnest, as Oscar Wilde would say.

        I, too, have heard those unbelievable rumors on the Net about the barbaric Chinese eating human fetuses and was so appalled that I actually contacted my sources in China to find out it if was true or not. Here is what I learned:

        1). “Sweet and Sour White Gentile Fetuses” are/is priced at 6,666 Renminbi per fetus (about 1k US or 680 British pounds). Now you know where all the aborted White babies in the Zionist West ended up.

        2). All the fetuses must be KOSHER! (i.e. killed by a jew abortionist) or they lose their “prestige” and become worthless. Remember there is hardly any meat on fetuses and so eating one of them is certainly not about getting any nourishment.

        3). The average wage of a factory worker in China is about 2,000 Renminbi per month (about 315 US or 204 British pounds), so “Sweet and Sour White Gentile Fetuses” are strictly for the wealthy Chinese. But are they really Chinese?

        4). Since the Jews decided it was time to let China prosper once again, those who have made the most money are the crypto-jews of China (look up Kaifeng jews) who can be seen flaunting their newly-acquired wealth and age-old hatred of gentiles by posting photos of themselves on the Internet eating “Sweet and Sour White Gentile Fetuses”.

        5). It should be noted that it is strictly illegal to cook and eat human fetuses in China. Therefore it should be obvious that you can only order it if you are a well-connected and extremely wealthy Chinese Jew. Needless to say “Sweet and Sour White Gentile Fetuses” is only served in the best and most “prestigious” kosher restaurants in the middle kingdom.

        As to your 6,666 Renminbi question, no, I am not a Chinese jew or Satanist and would never eat a fetus (gentile or otherwise), not even if I was starving to death.

        @ Karen

        If truth be told, I don’t like the “Chinese” either, but it is my contention that the best of the Chinese were wiped out long ago by Rothschild and Sassoon’s Opium Wars, followed by the jew-funded Taiping Rebellion which wiped out about 50 million in the 1850s -1860s, followed by the jew-funded Jap invasion of China in the War of Jiawu in 1894, which did not really end until the end of World War II in 1945, followed by the so-called Civil War between the jew-funded Kuomintang (“Nationalists”) and jew-funded Communists in the late 1940s, and last but not least, followed by the jew-funded Cultural Revolution from mid-60s to 1975 — not to mention the most recent jew-funded Yellow Umbrella Revolution in Hong Kong

        In short, the kikejews have wrecked and controlled China to one degree or another since the early 1800s.

      7. @ Justice for Chinese

        Thank you for responding to my previous comment so politely. I am not sure from your response, however, if you are being sarcastic and pulling my leg? Maybe you thought I was kidding.

        In any case, here is the article I saw. It comes from a well-respected anti-Zionist site you will probably be familiar with. Canadian blogger Noor al Haqiqa.

        Please tell me what you think. I am worried that this could just be vicious anti-Chinese propaganda, along the same lines as was practiced by the Zio-Americans and Brits against the German people in WWI and WWII:


      8. JFC –

        Finally coming to their senses… it looks like there would be a limit on eating human unborn people in China. 🙂
        No gorging or gluttony allowed after golf any more:

        Golf and gluttony banned in China Communist Party

        Extravagant drinking and sex outside marriage also prohibited as ruling party announces moral ethical code for members.

        Party discipline superseded criminal law, Xinhua said.


      9. @ Justice for Chinese
        I once had a Chinese boyfriend and he was a kind, intelligent and warm person. So, I suppose every race has it’s good and bad and I realize that sounds trite but all those trite homilies are rooted in truth, for example “never trust a jew”

      10. @ Simple Simon

        Re: Chinese will eat anything, even human fetuses

        Sorry for taking so long to reply, but I could never take this story seriously.

        However, today, January 13, 2016, “White Warrior” re-posted this meme on Greg Johnson’s article “White Genocide” and it finally made me curious enough to actually take the time to investigate the story. Here is the link to his comment: https://www.darkmoon.me/2016/white-genocide/#comment-915696

        It only took a 5-minute search on the Internet to debunk this blood libel. Here is where and how the meme got started: https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-chinese-fetus-soup.t2203/

        For those who wish to delve deeper into the subject/meme (Orientals as cannibals), here is a rather academic paper on Zhu Yu, who staged a conceptual shock piece called “Eating People” at a Shanghai arts festival in 2000. http://www.academia.edu/875348/Violent_Capital_Zhu_Yu_on_File

  1. To be non-violent to human beings and to be a killer or enemy of the poor animals is Satan’s philosophy. In this age there is always enmity against poor animals and therefore the poor creatures are always anxious. The reaction of the poor animals is being forced on human society and therefore there is always the strain of cold or hot war between men, individually, collectively or nationally.”
    (Srimad Bhagavatam 1.10.6 – Purport)
    “The eating of meat was unknown up to the big flood, but since the flood they have put the strings and stinking juices of animal meat into our mouths, just as they threw in front of the grumbling sensual people in the desert. Jesus Christ, who appeared when the time had been fulfilled, has again joined the end with the beginning, so that it is no longer allowed for us to eat animal meat.”
    (St. Jerome (c.340 – 420) (priest, monk, theologian, first translator of the Bible into Latin))
    “A good deed done to an animal is as meritorious as a good deed done to a human being, while an act of cruelty to an animal is as bad as an act of cruelty to a human being.”
    (Prophet Mohammed)

    1. A tear in the eye of the horse is all I will look at. I’ll get too pissed off otherwise.

      I’ll just do what I do with my own horse, and on a lighter side I’ll mention that something I’ve been doing recently to make some extra dough is selling horse rides to the kids. The children like him and so do the parents because Brownhawk comes cheap!

      That, and my horse is OK with the kids, so it’s good all the way around

      1. Horse has been with mankind for a loooong time, Brownhawk. He is our advocate, helper, and friend. Biblically speaking (and even until now) the horse is a symbol of power and prestige. It is a sin to be cruel to him. Yet, just as there is a difference in species of mankind, there is a difference in animals. Not ALL animals are worthy of the status of the horse; and, likewise, not all human bipeds are worthy of the same, equal esteem. Love what God loves/disdain what God disdains. Pray for discernment. Do not be deceived by imposters. There are, simply, some animals which are designated for harvest, some for contempt, and some for honor – just like people.

      2. @ DARLINGTON

        1) “… Dhabīḥah (or zabiha, Arabic: ذَبِيْحَة‎ dhabīḥah IPA: [ðæˈbiːħɐ], ‘slaughter'(noun)) is, in Islamic law, the prescribed method of ritual slaughter of all animals excluding locusts, fish, and most sea-life. This method of slaughtering animals consists of a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the throat, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides but leaving the spinal cord intact.

        The precise details of the slaughtering method arise from Islamic tradition educated by Muhammad, himself…” Wikipedia : Dhabihah.

        2) “…Sharia or sharia law (Arabic: شريعة‎ (IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa]), is the basic Islamic legal system[1] derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the Hadith…”

        “…There are two primary sources of sharia: the Quran, and the Hadiths (opinions and life example of Muhammad)…” Wikipedia : Sharia

        Besides partaking of numerous battles in which people were killed, the “prophet” Muhammad ordered the slaughter of 800 men of a Jewish tribe in Medina, whom he considered as “traitors”. The beheading of these unfortunate men took a whole day with Muhammad as its enthusiastic spectator. The women and children of that tribe were sold on the slave market. Muhammad also send murderers to several satyrical poets who made fun of his “prophethood”. See : Muhammad’s Dead Poets Society, the assassination of satyrical poets in early Islam. All these things are described in the biography of Muhammad, written by Muslims, who felt not the slightest shame in describing these atrocities, nor are modern Muslims ashamed of them, on the contrary, they are proud of them.
        Such is the “religion of peace” and its “compassionate prophet”.

      3. All of Life has been corrupted, Gilbert. And Creator had nothing to do with the corruption. He is not the one doing the disdaining – I’ll reserve that notion to some OT falseness.

        All creatures have fallen with Man, and ever since, we have rationalized one thing or another until we’re all blue in the face…literally and figuratively

        The rationalizations include some of your observations to me with this post, and don’t get me wrong. We ALL do it. But I DO agree with your assessment of regal creatures like the horse insofar as there being a pecking order of status

    2. @ HP

      “…an act of cruelty to an animal is as bad as an act of cruelty to a human being…”

      The prophet Muhammad.

      The Islamic practice of ritual slaughter of animals, like its Jewish equivalent, is cruelty to animals. The Islamic practice of chopping off of hands and feet of thieves, beheading of criminals and stoning of adulterers is cruelty to human beings. The “prophet” Muhammad should be the last man to teach us compassion.

      1. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        False logic. The Prophet Mohammed was no more to blame for all the Islamic horrors which you ascribe to him than Jesus Christ was to blame for the burning of witches at the stake by the Spanish Inquisition.

      2. Suttee was an an Indian religious funeral custom which required widows to be burned alive on their dead husband’s funeral pyres. This barbaric custom was abolished by the Brits in India under British rule in the 18th century.

        Are you going to condemn Hinduism for introducing this cruel custom? Are the Hindu sages who wrote the Upanishads and Gita to be held responsible for burning widows alive after their husband’s death?

        Obviously not!

        So why blame Mohammed for the hideous rituals of the Islamic slaughterhouse?

      3. Literally grasping at straws, Richaert -helped by Darkmoon- insists on defaming Islam and spreading islamophobia even if the topic was on roses but lol Trying to find any shit that will stick to the wall in order to do so is dificult lol . Beautiful

      4. It’s just..laughable. Here is a guy (Franklin Richaert) who sits there all day, as if crippled, whom no one heard of ever before, in media, books, etc -yet gets called an “erudite” by sardonicous, a Darkmoon’s suck puppet account- trying to use the argument “but we white supremacists are pretty”, “muslims are bad, jews not so bad” while disregarding the fact that he thinks his opinion on Religion should hold weight over others. lol

      5. @ DARLINGTON

        My reply appeared above. First do some basic reading about Islam and its founder, before you make judgements based on false logic or false analogy.

      6. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        No need to get aggressive or resort to condescension. I would like to remind you that you are not omniscient. Unlike you, I have actually practiced Islam with a view to conversion, so I know it from the inside. Unlike you, sir, who have learned all about Islam from a Jewish online encyclopaedia!

        Tell me, Ryckaert, do you happen to know who wrote that Wikipedia article you quote from so confidently? Was it a Muslim or a Jew?

        If it was a Jew, I reject it, for no Jew has any business to hold forth on Islam.

        If it is a Muslim, he cannot be trusted either — for any Muslim who writes for a Jewish encyclopaedia is by definition untrustworthy.

        Ergo, your argument collapses, given that all your knowledge about Islam comes from a tainted source.

      7. Ryckaert, let me tell you why you cannot be taken seriously. It is because you are ruled not by reason but by blind passion. In your case, a virulent Islamophobia that has darkened your mind and addled the neurons in your brain.

        Tell me, have you actually met any Muslims? Have you ever had a Muslim friend? Or does all your hatred of Muslims come from reading Wikipedia and Islamophobic White Nationalist sites?

        There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. They make up 23 per cent of humanity. How many of these Muslims do you think are going around chopping off people’s heads and stoning adulteresses? All stoning women to death, are they? All chopping of people’s head with scimitars, are they? All raping Swedish women, are they? All practicing sharia law and dancing on the corpses of cruelly slaughtered animals, are they? All beating their wives, are they?

        Is this the comic book world you live in?

      8. @ DARLINGTON

        1) An encyclopedia is not an original source of information, but a collection of extracts from such sources. Those sources already existed before the encyclopedia was written, and can always be consulted if you don’t trust the encyclopedia. For Muhammad’s life there is Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah, which can be read in PDF on line. I have read some passages in that book in which the murder of poets on order of Muhammad are described. Ibn Ishaq FYI was an 8th century Muslim historian, and not a modern Wikipedia-Jew.

        2) If ritual slaughter was not prescribed by Muhammad himself but was a “later corruption”, then please tell me when and where that “corruption” happened and explain why it is so universally practised by Muslims everywhere, including in the West.

        3) Don’t make a caricature of what I’m saying! I’m not saying that all 1,6 billion Muslims are engaged in cruelty, but I’m saying that Sharia is the original law of Islam and that it is based on the Qur’an and the Hadith (opinions and practices of Muhammad) and thus goes back to Muhammad himself. That this primitive form of “justice” is nowadays not practised in all Muslim countries, or at least not fully, is due to the Westernized elites of those countries and not due to the “enlightened” attitude of its masses, let alone due to the nature of Islam itself.

      9. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        I agree with 90 per cent of what you are saying and apologize for hurting your feelings by “caricaturizing” what you were saying. One of the things I have against Islam is the way they are instructed to slaughter animals. The Jews are just as bad in this respect. I would like to see these practices banned.

        I disagree with your extreme view that Jesus, were he alive today, would probably be prosecuted for “cruelty to animals.” That’s going a bit far, isn’t it? PETA and the RSPCA and other Animal Rights organizations will be getting ready to find Jesus guilty of cruelty to the Gadarene swine and eating fish caught inhumanely in no-kosher nets! . . . is that it? (Grin)

        Is that “caricature”? If so, my sincere apologies! I trust you have a sense of humor. And also the good sense to understand that your views on Jesus’ attitude to the animal creation and meat-eating can only lead to a reductio ad absurdum, i.e., that Jesus is the founder of a cruel religion and, therefore, that the world’s 2.2 billion Christians are all cruel bastards! 🙂

        Please don’t take offence at my words. I regard you as one of the three best posters on this site and agree with roughly 90 per cent of what you say. Cheers!

      10. I don’t have the time to expand on this subject right now, but there is incontrovertible evidence that Jesus got himself into serious trouble with the Pharisees precisely BECAUSE of his humane attitude to animals.

        It is generally thought that Jesus drove the moneychangers out of the temple because they were engaged in usury and other commercial activities. This is a false and superficial viewpoint. What Jesus was against, root and branch, was the RITUAL SLAUGHTER OF ANIMALS IN EXPIATION OF SINS.

        This is why the Pharisee moneychangers were driven out of the temple, because animals in cages were actually sold on the spot to Jews who then took the animals home and cut their throats in the cruelest manner, thinking that this was the way to buy forgiveness for their sins.

        The buying and selling of live animals for slaughter took place in the temple (synagogue) in those days. The synagogue had become worse than a pet shop. Imagine going into a pet shop today and buying a puppy with only one object in mind: to take it home and cut its throat. All to buy forgiveness for sins!

        This is what Christ was against and it was one of the reasons the Pharisees wanted to put him to death: because he was a serious threat to their lucrative business in the buying and selling of live animals to be ritually slaughtered.

  2. I think some words are definitely in order

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man according to our image and likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the flying creatures of heaven, and over the cattle and all the earth, and over all the reptiles that creep on the earth. 27 And God made man, according to the image of God he made him, male and female he made them. 28 And God blessed them, saying, Increase and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the seas and flying creatures of heaven, and all the cattle and all the earth, and all the reptiles that creep on the earth. 29 And God said, Behold I have given to you every seed-bearing herb sowing seed which is upon all the earth, and every tree which has in itself the fruit of seed that is sown, to you it shall be for food. 30 And to all the wild beasts of the earth, and to all the flying creatures of heaven, and to every reptile creeping on the earth, which has in itself the breath of life, even every green plant for food; and it was so

    Genesis 9:1 AND God blessed Noe and his sons, and said to them, Increase and multiply, and fill the earth and have dominion over it. 2 And the dread and the fear of you shall be upon all the wild beasts of the earth, on all the birds of the sky, and on all things moving upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea, I have placed them under your power. 3 And every reptile which is living shall be to you for meat, I have given all things to you as the green herbs.

    Luke 24: 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

    Acts 9:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

    Romans 14: 1HIM that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. 24 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 25 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: 26 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.


      You would have saved a lot of bandwidth if you had given only the places in the Bible. This way :
      Gen 1: 26-30, Gen 9: 1-3, Luk 24: 36-43, Acts 9: 9-16, Romans 14: 1-26. That would have cost only one line.
      Besides, why quoting the Bible as “authority” at all? Can you not think for yourself?

      1. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        why quote the Bible as an “authority” at all? Can you not think for yourself?

        I let the Bible think for me. If it says so in the Bible, it’s gotta be true. Doncha know that, idiot?

      2. @ TYRON PARSONS

        Adults think for themselves. People who never grew up remain “followers” all their lives.

      3. Administration

        Someone is impersonating me. I did NOT post that comment to Franklin.


        The LAW is written in my heart and mind as a white, authentic Israelite of the REAL 12 tribes. I knew/know all foods, all meats, all herbs are clean to eat and the scriptures didn’t need to tell me this. It’s what comes out of your mouth Frankllin, that defiles as man, not what one puts in it to eat. But for the sake of other whites with their conscience seared like you, as well as for the sake of the non whites and other non believers, I posted the LAW (of which you’re subject, like it or not) in a physical form to make my point.

      4. @ TYRON PARSONS

        I’m sorry to learn that someone impersonated you.

        I know about your Christian Identity ideas and we have already debated them on the Occidental Observer, so we will not do that again.

        The three Abrahamic religions concern themselves exclusively with human affairs with no concern for animals or the environment. On the contrary, man is supposed to exploit nature. These religions are “Old Age”, not “New Age”.

      5. Franklin

        No need to debate, ok, but let me say that we are to be STEWARDS of the creation(s). I’ve never once meet a farmer that wasn’t a STEWARD of his land and the animals on that land. Farmers have a vested interest in the well being of their land, their crops and their animals. Farmers, Christian farmers no less like America was FULL of at one time, used biblical principals for farming, harvesting, raising stock and slaughtering. In fact, the entire OT and NT is spoken of all the time in seasonal, agricultural, farming, raising stock type language/metaphors.

        Farmers, including those who raise pigs, goats, cattle, care for the well being of their animals more than anyone. They really do love nature and the animals of the world and they are the ONLY ones who know how to rightly care for them. Here is an example. Dufus libtard “animal rights” bozos in England wanted to “save the Lions in Africa”. So they pressured a local Government to ban the hunting of all Lions in a certain region and this of course because they “love” those lions and hunters an farmers “hate them”. Truth is, these animal rights people have ABSOLUTELY NO first hand knowledge of how the natural world works which played out right away. After the ban on hunting (culling) these Lions was put in place, sure enough, the Lions were dying off like crazy and why pray tell? Because the hunters and farmers weren’t allowed to cull them so the lions began competing for territory and food and became very aggressive, attacking the farmers stock on their land everywhere which forced the farmers to shoot them to protect their cattle etc, as well as their own lives all the time.

        The man who pushed for these measures made a video explaining how he was wrong about everything due to seeing first hand the results of their misguided love.

        Now, is the natural world dying off? Yes, but it’s not the fault of the Farmers or the Hunters. It’s the fault of the “Jews” who run this planet that allow Corporations (dead entities) as well as Corporation Governments to do anything they wish to rape the planet and kill off wild life to gain total control over humanity as well as to increase their profits. The west is a great example. The Government took over management of practically all the land out west and told regular farmers, ranchers etc, to leave the wild alone, not even allowing them to cull wolves for example. Result; wildfires everywhere because no one can burn the bush to prevent it. Wolves and other predators attacking cattle etc, including humans all over the place.

        The “Jews” war against the white farmer has left almost NO private farms/ranchers left resulting in the centralization of all food, produce etc, which means THEY CONTROL if you eat or not and then what they feed you is UNNATURAL such as Monsanto (another Jew company) genetically engineered food which is horrible for your health.

        I AM/Jesus focuses on man because MAN has dominion over the natural world and if you think he cares not for the natural world he created then why did I AM/Jesus say in Genesis 2:15

        “The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.”

        Why did I AM/Jesus tell Adam to name all of the animals?

        Why did I AM/Jesus order Noah to save the genetics of all existing animals? Why did Jesus say that man is worth more than sparrows?

        Why does he say in Jeremiah 2:7 “And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination.

        Why does James, Jesus’ brother say in 3:7 “For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea creature, can be tamed and has been tamed by mankind”

        Why did Jesus say in luke 12:27 “Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass, which is alive in the field today, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will he clothe you”

        Why in Number 35:33 does I AM/Jesus say “You shall not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it. You shall not defile the land in which you live, in the midst of which I dwell, for I the Lord dwell in the midst of the people of Israel.”

        Why does the Lord say in 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

        And finally, why does it say in Revelation 11:17-18 concerning the judgment of this “Jew” world…”Saying, “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, who is and who was, for you have taken your great power and begun to reign. The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”

        As usual Franklin, you simply don’t understand scriptures and are filled with lots of preconceived notions that simply aren’t true on this subject matter.

      6. @ Tyron Parsons

        Fair enough, Tyron. You are well-versed in the Scriptures — no one doubts that — and you like to quote chapter and verse in support of your views. But try and see this from Franklin Ryckaert’s viewpoint. Here is how you end your comment:

        As usual Franklin, you simply don’t understand scriptures and are filled with lots of preconceived notions that simply aren’t true on this subject matter.”

        How can you be so incredibly obtuse as to make such a comment when Franklin has already told you he doesn’t believe in the scriptures at all and sees no reason to accept the Scriptures as the Ultimate Authority?

        What makes you think you have proved anything just by quoting Scripture? Can you explain? Why is it true because Scripture says so?

      7. TOBY: Tyron, please stop submitting comments under the name “The real/original Tyron Parsons.” This is not your user name, and it’s just making extra work for me, as I have to keep changing it back to “Tyron Parsons.” The rule on this site is: USE ONE USER NAME AND STICK TO IT.

        (People are free to change their user names of course, but they are not allowed to use multiple user names at the same time, or keep switch back and forth between different names. This creates technical problems for us.)


        Simple. He like everyone else can “believe as they like” but he challenged me, not me, him.

        Thusly, I laid out the reasoning, the LAW that both you, him, and everyone is subject; where you believe or nor, like or not or otherwise.

        Now you are left with two options , basically.

        1 I don’t believe
        2. I do believe

        Either one is sort of mute but being that what it is, the last thing you can fall upon is basically saying you don’t because you don’t and by virtue of this, is some type of “proof”, but I am here to tell you that that fairyland is about gone and in a way you will have no “choice” to believe soon. Why? Because your criteria in these matters to “prove: your point” is what the masses believe, and that will end soon and thus, because of your stubbornness you will find yourself , in the least, in a much worse station as you fancy yourself now.

        So…. chose…….

  3. I am a new poster. I have been following this site for quite awhile and I am personally pleased with it. I am a student of history (BA, MA – American 1800-1850). Live in a small town in Western Wyoming. I have not looked at this video and probably will not. I have made my living, in my later years ( 30-70 ) on horseback. So, to watch anything that bodes ill for my favorite critter upsets me very much. Horses ( I have been riding for some 67 years) I have trained many, raised many, put thousands of miles on their wonderful backs , loved their good sides and bad sides. Saved their lives and many have saved mine due to my carelessness. So these ” Drinkers of the Wind ” are my Spirit Animal. I love them so. But man, over the centuries, has used and abused these wonderful creatures for his on gain. Look at all the horses slaudered in war since time began. A real tragedy. But we are dealing with mankind and his/her ego. I have dealt with abusive two leggeds for years and about the only thing you can do to educate them is treat them the way they treat their animals. Unfortunately, this is against the law. Perhaps someday mankind will wake up and understand that animals deserve to be treated as humanly as we think we should be treated. Pardon me for venting, but when people harm critters ( especially the Noble Ones ), I get my dander up.

    1. Shiloh –

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

      Since your expertise is 1800-1850, I would like to have your opinion on something which has puzzled me for several decades. No one has offered a good answer. Maybe you can help.

      I am fortunate to have an original Webster’s Dictionary, from 1850, where Noah Webster wrote a lengthy ‘Introduction’ to explain why, and how, he selected the words and terms he placed into his dictionary.

      I found this amazing quote there, in the Introduction, on page lxxvii:

      “Law terms, which are no part of the proper language of the United States, and never can be, as the things they express do not exist in this country, are, however, retained, as it is necessary that the gentlemen of the bar should understand them; and it will be time to dismiss them from books when they are obsolete in practice.”

      Can you offer any insight there, as to why Law Terms would become “obsolete in practice,” as he stated?
      His stating “… and never can be..” is also curious.

      Any ideas?

      1. Sorry Pat,
        I don’t know what that means. I was a PI for a large law firm in GA for a few years and still have connections. Will send a email to the head lawyer, a good Southerner, and see what he thinks. Give it a little time and I will get back to you.

  4. Was meek Jesus a lover of animals, so much so that he abhorred their slaughter and was a vegetarian?
    The image of Jesus as “the good shepherd” seems indeed to suggest that. Here is his famous parable of the “lost sheep”:

    “And he spake this parable unto them, saying,
    4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
    5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.
    6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.”

    Luke 15: 4-6.

    Very touching, but for what purpose do shepherds ultimately herd their sheep? Well for slaughter of course! In the following parable of the “prodigal son” Jesus shows not the slightest abhorrence of the slaughter of animals :

    “And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
    22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet;
    23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and KILL IT; and let us eat, and be merry. Luke 15: 21-23.

    So Jesus’ compassion didn’t include animals. Jesus himself was an inveterate carnivore. He ate animals and didn’t care that they were slaughtered, even in the cruel Jewish “kosher” way.

    1. Sounds fake, more like out of Torah, the sewer book of sewer rats.


      You once provided a link to Essenes depiction of vegetarian Jesus.
      This one, in Luke sounds abominably like a true product of Satan’s synagogue.

      1. @ LOBRO

        “Jesus was not a vegetarian. The Bible records Jesus eating fish (Luke 24:42-43) and lamb (Luke 22:8-15). Jesus miraculously fed the crowds fish and bread, a strange thing for Him to do if He was a vegetarian (Matthew 14:17-21). In a vision to the apostle Peter, Jesus declared all foods to be clean, including animals (Acts 10:10-15). After the flood in Noah’s time, God gave humanity permission to eat meat (Genesis 9:2-3). God has never rescinded this permission.

        Jesus declared all foods, including all kinds of meat, to be clean (Mark 7:19).”

        Source : Was Jesus a vegetarian? http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Christian-vegetarian.html

      2. @ LOBRO

        “…Sounds fake, more like out of Torah, the sewer book of sewer rats…”

        Your “heuristic principle” seems to be : if an idea is unpleasant it must be a Lie. If it is a Lie it must be a Jewish Lie. Thus you can reject any unpleasant idea.

    2. A friend of mine, a white woman left a widow at an early age was forced to move into a low rent area after her husbands death. She bought a small house in a poor white neighbourhood in a predominantly white working class city. She had numerous break ins but panicked when her neighbourhood began to slowly be bought up by middle east immigrants. We lost touch for several years but when we reconnected she informed me that although her neighbourhood was now predominantly Muslim she had never felt safer. The men, taking pity on her widowhood, constantly checked up on her, shoveled snow from her walk, and generally offered their assistance.

  5. What kind of pathetic liberal communist nonsense is this? Animals are NOT our brothers and sisters. They are animals and inferior to man. We are not related to animals through evolution. God created us in HIS image. We should be slaughtering animals and feasting on them. I’m going to kill a deer this week and make stew and jerky.

    Jesus Christ himself said “slay and eat” in Acts 11:7. SLAY. Not go to the grocery store like a weak little faggot. Jesus multiplied bread and FISH for people to eat. God knows that we are no longer vegetarians. Man and animal both eat meat. And if you think mans’ slaughter is less graphic than animals’ then you haven’t been in the wild much.

    Ever seen sharks eat? Seen killer whales torture animals and leaving the body without even eating? Cats and lions torturing animals? Dogs and monkeys killing over territory? Animals eating their own young? Kittens killing birds or mice? Snakes slowly strangling or poisoning their prey? Oh yeah…….like an animal doesn’t cry when a snake is snapping its neck and injecting poison into its bloodstream. Morons.

    1. It is not a matter of inferiority and superiority, Dr Parker. This bespeaks your ignorance to make such a comment. Think more in terms of Man as the PRIMARY creations, whereas animals and the like are the SECONDARY for which Man is the shepherd who watches over his flock. And NOT for eventual slaughter, I might add, but not reflecting your post necessarily.

      Ever hear of wool?

  6. Obviously a video created by a vegetarian with concentration on cruelty to animals by depriving them of their life.

    Back in the 1970’s, a group of scientists discovered that all plants, even the lowly yogurt bacteria, communicate with each other including across species. These scientists were thinking that plants could become witnesses to crimes committed by people due to their sensing and communication abilities. Apparently, their ideas did not take root, pun intended, but that does not mean that their discoveries were invalid.

    Since plants reproduce and communicate, plants are just as much alive as animals. To my knowledge, there have been no movements to prevent cruelty to plants even though we have to kill them to eat them the same as we do to eat animals. The difference is that there has been no brainwashing about plants the way there has been about animals. If there had been, there are certainly some people that would have died trying to become rock-tarians.

    In the animal kingdom, every living creature must eat something alive or it dies whether its another animal or a plant. It’s been working that way quite efficiently since creation. Humans are not an exception. Based on the design of human teeth, it appears that humans were designed to eat both plants and animals, omnivores.

    Side note: After archeologists discovered human footprints in the same mud as dinosaur footprints a few years back, I now know why dinosaurs went extinct. Everyone knows that reptiles taste like chicken and that most everyone that eats meat likes chicken. Ancient man had KFD, Kentucky Fried Dinosaur. We ate them all and converted to chickens after the dinosaurs could not keep up with demand. I have no Wiki source, so since I wrote it down first, I am the source.

    Certainly there is cruelty to animals when they are slaughtered via religious dogma as practiced by Kosher killers, some Muslim sects, and who knows how many others. Except in those instances, slaughtering animals is normally quick and as humane as possible. Large animals like cattle and pigs are dead before their throat is cut in slaughter houses. With the invention of factory farming, dying is actually a blessing for the animals raised in such horrendous environments.

    Besides killing animals for food, there are numerous other reasons why animals are killed. Vermin such as mice, rats, squirrels, birds, etc., living in a human dwelling is a bad idea. They carry numerous diseases and parasites that humans should avoid if they want to be reasonably heathy. Some vermin create fire hazards by chewing on electrical wiring and building nests in ares exposed to high heat. Left unterminated, vermin destroy the dwelling. Small vermin attract large vermin since everything is looking for something to eat that’s on their natural menu.

    Cruelty to animals is not just reserved to killing them. Humans practice cruelty to animals in numerous ways. Here is a couple of examples. Some people think that imprisoning an animal as a pet is perfectly fine even though the animals were specifically designed to roam free and fend for itself. Don’t believe it? Before the pet is trained to stay inside, leave the door open and watch what happens. Some people think that riding a horse is perfectly humane. Ever wonder why they have to be “broken” and trained to be ridden? The horse naturally does not like being ridden any more so than a human would like being burdened with a heavy load without consent. Taking an animal out of its natural habitat and training it to do unnatural things is cruel to the animal.

    Oh, we must love our pets because its a popular thing to have and care for them. Never mind that the pets had rather be somewhere else like outside roaming free. Never mind that the pets have to be treated with poisonous chemicals to keep the parasites off of them and that, somehow in human lack of thinking, they believe that those same poisons are not passed on to them just by touching the pets. Never mind that pets are a good substitute for that natural and fulfilling thing called children. Never mind that a significant portion of a relatively short human life span is consumed with watching their pet take a leak or dump, and then sometimes having to pick it up, how elevating. Never mind having to take it for exercise that it would naturally get if it were not a prisoner. Never mind having to remove the pet hair from your food, your clothes, refrigerator condenser coils, etc. that would naturally fall to the ground if it were not a prisoner. Never mind that you have to get a license from the government to have the pet and will face tremendous fines for not getting the pet adequate Big Pharma poisoning. And on, and on, and on. Brainwashing works and it keeps the pet owner doing really useless things instead of helping your fellowman which is the government’s job.

    1John 2:15-17 – Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

    According to John, loving pets and animals is a no no because they are “things that are in the world.” According to the teaching of Jesus, love is reserved for God and your fellowman as indicated in the First and Second Commandments. Since we have been blessed with free will, everyone gets to decide whether to accept good advice or not.

    Bottom line: Eat what you want. Just because you love your pets/animals do not try to force your opinion on others by making them feel guilty for just eating like humans have been doing since creation. Be thankful that you are on the top of the food chain. Be aware, that if you are in the ocean or the wilderness, you are not at the top of the food chain. If cruelty of animals and plants bothers you a lot, I hear that it is not a problem on Mars and that they are planning manned expeditions to that paradise.

    Sorry for the long post. I just got carried away at 1,095 words.

  7. All of you are wrong, logically and morally, which in my book are the essential and sufficient ingredients of hypocrisy.

    First, here are the most likely opinions of Jesus himself, not Scofield (The Essene Gospel of Peace III).

    Translated by Purcell Weaver and Edmond Szekely the following is considered by some to be a true account of Christ’s original teaching. Based on texts from the Vatican library and the Royal Library of the Hapsburg’s and dated to the first century AD, it contains many references to fasting, vegetarianism and angels; all of which were altered or entirely removed from Christian teaching after the first Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

    The account continues thus:

    And the flesh of slain beasts in his body will become his own tomb. For I tell you truly, he who kills, kills himself, and whoso eats the flesh of slain beasts, eats of the body of death. For in his blood every drop of their blood turns to poison; in his breath their breath to stink; in his flesh their flesh to boils; in his bones their bones to chalk; in his bowels their bowels to decay; in his eyes their eyes to scales; in his ears their ears to waxy issue. And their death will become his death

    How’d ye like them ribs now?

    For only in the service of your Heavenly Father are your debts of seven years forgiven in seven clays. But Satan forgives you nothing and you must pay him for all. ‘Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot; burning for burning, wound for wound; life for life, death for death.’ For the wages of sin is death. Kill not; neither eat the flesh of your innocent prey, lest you become the slaves of Satan. For that is the path of sufferings, and it leads unto death.

    Bon appetite.

    So let’s forget the communist tinkerbell Jesus with his unAmerican ideas and look at it in a way that combines logic and general, humanist ethos.

    You say: animals are beneath us, we are free to breed, kill and eat them as we please, our morality does not extend to them, they are ours to harvest at will.

    Jews say: goyim are beneath us, we are free to breed, kill and eat them as we please, our morality does not extend to them, they are ours to harvest at will – BECAUSE GOYIM ARE NOTHING BUT ANIMALS.

    Jews are bad, and you are good?

    hy·poc·ri·sy (hĭ-pŏk′rĭ-sē)
    n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies
    1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

    1. On the other hand, don’t worry about it, eat what you want and just freshen up your breath afterwards.

      1. Listerine contains Oregano Oil…. that unique biting flavor…. along with other oils which are used to murder the poor little bacteria.
        It takes their little lives away, then they are swallowed – eaten – by the big bad people.

        Listerine users on trial… for murder… 🙂

        Active ingredients:
        Eucalyptol 0.092% – oil of eucalyptus
        Thymol 0.064% – oil of thyme – (also oil of oregano)
        Methyl salicylate 0.060% – oil of wintergreen
        Menthol 0.042% – oil of peppermint

      2. Pat,
        I am fully conscious that I too share in badness but at least I am aware of it and try to dice my hypocrisy into smaller chunks, so if the plaque bacteria condemn me, so be it, I would rather be my own advocate in that regard than eating say, chimps, still a popular bush meat down in Mother Afrika.

        I guess the oils you listed are ESSENtial oils.

        What I am saying to the above bunch is “I am not holier than thou, just less myopic”.
        This is why Lasha pays me good salary 😉

    2. Brother Lobro!

      Thanks for this brilliant post! You have anticipated what I was about to say about the Essenes. Jesus was an Essene, and there is absolutely no way he could be accused of having a callous attitude toward animals.

      My own situation is one of guilt. I eat meat occasionally, maybe once or twice a week at the most, but only for health reasons. If I could cut out all animal products and become a full-fledged vegan, I would do so tomorrow.

      1. Pat has a point.

        Killing bacteria with Listerine and then eating the little critters should be banned! 🙂

        Does a banana cry out in pain when you peel its skin?

      2. Did you know that a chicken can live two years without its head?

        Not every chicken. Just an exceptional one. This happened to a cockerel in Colorado in 1945. He had his head chopped off, but the axe missed the jugular vein, leaving just enough brain stem attached to his neck to enable him to survive and even thrive.

        He became known as “Mike the Headless Chicken” and was exhibited in sideshows and at fairgrounds all across the USA by his proud owner Lloyd Olsen. This earned Olsen $4500 a month, quite a fortune in those days.

        Hundreds of copycat chicken beheadings took place all over America as a result, but no chicken after Mike has managed to survive headless more than a day or two.

        Source: Book of General Ignorance, p.11

      3. @ DARLINGTON

        Of course Jesus was an Essene! There is not any proof, but why need that, if you want it to be true it must be true. Such is the “reasoning” of immature persons who cannot discern between facts and wishes.

      4. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        To DARLINGTON: Of course Jesus was an Essene! There is not any proof, but why need that, if you want it to be true it must be true. Such is the “reasoning” of immature persons who cannot discern between facts and wishes.

        The same argument applies to you, Ryckaert! You, too, believe exactly what you want to believe, don’t you? The only difference between us is that I, unlike you, do not feel the need to put you down by an ad hominem attack. Dismissing people as “immature” who fail to parrot your views will not win you any points.

      5. Amazing. I tell this guy Ryckaert I agree with 90 per cent of what he says and he calls me “immature” — presumably because I don’t agree with him ONE HUNDRED per cent! If that isn’t immature, what is?

      6. “Sometimes the question is put before us: “You ask us not to eat meat, but you are eating vegetables. Do you think that is not violence?” The answer is that eating vegetables is violence, and vegetarians are also committing violence against other living entities because vegetables also have life. Nondevotees are killing cows, goats and so many other animals for eating purposes, and a devotee, who is vegetarian, is also killing. But here, significantly, it is stated that every living entity has to live by killing another entity; that is the law of nature. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam: one living entity is the life for another living entity. But for a human being, that violence should be committed only as much as necessary.[39]

        Discrimination Required

      7. @ hp

        Thanks for these brilliant insights, Homer. These Hindu sages never fail to deliver the goods! Let me tell you a story about Bernard Shaw that you will find amusing as well as relevant.

        The great Irish writer, who happened to be a vegan, once had a female visitor drop in for afternoon tea at his house. She noticed with astonishment that there were no flowers in any of the rooms, even though it was high summer and the garden was full of the most beautiful flowers.

        “Mr Shaw, I find it surprising that you don’t like flowers!” she pointed out reproachfully.

        “But I do, Madam,” Shaw said. “I simply adore flowers!”

        “I don’t think you could, Mr Shaw, or else you’d cut a few flowers and arrange them in vases all over your house!”

        “Madam, I adore children too,” Shaw replied. “But I don’t cut off their heads and put them in vases!”

      8. Lasha, thanks and yes, Shaw’s twinkling eyes are still shining, I’m sure!

        “Now I can look at you in peace; I don’t eat you any more.”

      9. But what “life” has a vegetable once it has fully formed and ready to provide sustenance?

        There is no violence, eg, when you remove a ripe apple from the spur that supports it. Remove it with care, and the spur stays intact for another apple to be provided the following season

      10. I wasn’t being sarcastic, lasha, in case you took it that way.

        Although I can be at times, just not this time 😉

    3. @ LOBRO

      The Essene Gospel of Peace is fiction, created by a health freak who wanted to give his own ideas about healthy food more credibility by pretending they are the ideas of Jesus himself, found in an “Essene Gospel” which he so called discovered in the “Secret Archive” of the Vatican. The real Essene scriptures have been translated and they are not obsessed with health as the writer of this fiction is.

      The Essenes were indeed vegetarians, but there is no proof that Jesus was an Essene.
      But of course there is no lack of believers in any fiction if it fits in with their wishes.

      1. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        there is no proof that Jesus was an Essene.

        But is there any proof that Jesus was NOT an Essene?

        The probability that Jesus was an Essene is far greater than the probability that he was not an Essene. After all, there is much in the Essene philosophy to which Jesus would have been drawn.

      2. Again, from the truthseeker link, it says

        Translated by Purcell Weaver and Edmond Szekely the following is considered by some to be a true account of Christ’s original teaching. Based on texts from the Vatican library and the Royal Library of the Hapsburg’s and dated to the first century AD

        and so on, just as I quoted direct from the link.

        You say it was created by a health freak, thereby calling Thetruthseeker account a Lie.

        Prove it.

        That is to say, no such documents exist in either the Vatican library or the Royal Library of the Habsburgs and the alleged translators are either liars or don’t exist or never said what was quoted.

        So what do we have here, a door-to-door Wikipedia salesman?

      3. @ HP

        Since Jesus’ Father was God, are you saying that God was an Essene too? What does a spirit have for dinner?

      4. HP –

        “Thus, the food we eat after it is offered to the Lord becomes a means for our purification and spiritual development.”

        This is why bar-b-que is considered a sacrament in OT, and today…. especially in Texas.

        Meat offered on the grill-altar… then eaten. The heat kills the infections and diseases. Made pure because it was first offered to the ‘above’ entity.
        Meat, in particular, not first ‘offered’ made people sick… caused the spread of diseases.

        When Lister and Pasteur and Flemming came on the scene… more was understood about those microbes which Moses could not see.

      5. HP –

        Hospitals need to hire some “mutter” emitters to “chant” into some MRSA killing arrows… 😉

        Methicillin resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) is endemic in India and is a dangerous pathogen for hospital acquired infections.

        I’ll keep my thought, thanks..

      6. HP was of course referring to Joseph, you sillybilly.

        And yes, it is certainly more probable that Jesus was an Essene than not

    4. Satan’s philosophy, indeed.
      Nothing more natural than reaping what we sow.

      Secular and religious human devolution, disguised as evolution.

      Modern ‘updated’ religions = an amalgamation of The Golden Rule and Crowley’s “do what thou will”

      Helen Keller could predict the karma/reaction/fruits of this adharma with one hand tied behind her back.

      1. I like this from the quoted text:
        But Satan forgives you nothing and you must pay him for all.

        The root of Jew mentality, the father of usury.

    5. Toby

      The reason I changed my name to the “The real/original Tyron Parsons” or whatever was because someone was using my name and making posts as if they were me. Hence, I am not changing my name back and forth. Someone else was using my name, I changed it and now you changed it back to Tyron Parsons.

      I don’t mind being Tyron Parsons but if people keep impersonating me you can rest assured I will be changing my name to something other than has been usurped for obvious reasons. I would ask you check out who posted in my name and refuse to let them post here anymore if you value your time as you say.


      No problem


      Jesus was not an Essene for God’s sake. Gnostic “gospels” were and are heresy. The Councils established a measuring stick of truth with the “bible”. The Apostles writings are that measuring stick. The reason why the councils were created in the first place was because there were so many false gospels/writings going around the believers were getting extremely confused and many were being tricked away from the way. However, inside these councils they also did some bad things by taking out of their consolidation many scriptures both of the Old Test and even the New, but what they did with those is label them “Church History”, of which few today are even aware.

      There are the books of Adam and Eve, Barnabas ( both one vote away from being contained in the bible) and Clement from the NT. Out of the OT the Adam and Eve books already mentioned, Enoch, Jasper, the Maccabees, the Patriarchs of the 12 tribes writings and some others. Later bibles included the Maccabees, others didn’t, and this process went on for a while.

      If one wants to get to the correct scriptural narrative, the first thing they must do is rid their mind of any preconceived notions and read the Septuagint and Greek NT, word for word translated to English, allowing the spirit to guide you to all truth. Then one must read the books that are considered “Church History” that I listed above.

      Book of Eden- Adam/Eve gives a day by day description of Adam and Eve’s fall, changing from “angelic” beings to animal flesh also listing all of the sorrows, temptations, depressions etc they went through. It shows how Cain’s children messed up the earth and how they used music, beauty, colorful cloths, easy sex and partying to trick most of Adam’s seed off the holy Mountain (just think of the 60’s Hippies). It gives the timeline from after the fall to Christ’s first prophesied coming, on to when Adam’s righteous seed would be saved by Christ’s coming in the flesh. One can finally understand genesis, the age of earth, man’s age, by reading this book. I would also argue that the clues to the location of Paradise and Hades are also located therein. Hint, it’s not on the surface world.

      Enoch describes the different levels of heaven and the ships the angels use to descend and ascend.

      Jasper gives details concerning Esau losing his birthrights to Jacob and how each earth age will end and start (Esau ends them, Jacob starts and reigns during them, repeating the cycle.)

      The writings of the Patriarchs gives detailed information concerning all of the sins of the patriarchs, how they were saved; most all of it centering on what they did or didn’t do to Joseph. It prophesies how each tribe will “end up” , be saved, which mirrors the sins and grace given to their particular patriarch.

      The Maccabees explains how the remnant of Judah was infiltrated by the impostors of Esau whom we call the “Jews” today (genetically part of both the Sephardics and Ashkenaz)

      Clement gives instructions on daily living in Christ. Highly recommendable.

      Barnabas gives great insight into Christ also explaining how the letter of the law in the OT should be viewed in the spirit. Example of this are the prohibitions against eating pork. What was really being said back then was not to not eat pig , but rather to not be like a pig who loves his master during feeding time only to forget him the next moment as he goes back to wallowing in his slop.

      If one does reads what is listed here it’s extremely hard to fool a believer after words because he now knows the correct narrative as well as the knowledge of the “missing links” that have led so many astray.

      1. OK Tyron, I get your point. Please stick to one name in future. I’m trying to figure out who impersonated you. Do you have any suspects?

      2. disclaimer: I did not imParsonate you.

        So all I am saying is if Jesus did indeed condone slaughter and devouring of innocents, I ain’t genuflecting to that.

        What could be an uglier cognitive dissonance than to go out and kill a sentient animal for sport and then go complain about aborting a fetus that could be eaten with scrambled eggs for breakfast without even noticing?

        Because with every step of research, it becomes clearer and clearer just how sentient and emotionally vulnerable are most of animals – even fish, dammit.

        I think that hypocrisy burns me more than anything else because it mixes two traits that I despise thoroughly, cruelty and stupidity.

      3. . . . with every step of research, it becomes clearer and clearer just how sentient and emotionally vulnerable are most of animals – even fish.

        I think that hypocrisy burns me more than anything else because it mixes two traits that I despise thoroughly, cruelty and stupidity.

        This is one writer we can trust implicitly. He has more than mere intelligence. He has wisdom as well as understanding . . . and sees into the heart of things. His comment about fish bears this out.

        As a child, I used to go fishing with my father. I thought nothing of it. Angling was just another sport. We were given to understand that fish didn’t mind having a hook in their mouths. Then I thought a bit more about this. When I was 21, I said to my dad: “Hey daddy, how would YOU like a hook biting into your mouth? and to be tugged around for over half an hour? Would you like that?”

        My dad gave me a funny look, like he’d given birth to a monster.

        He went on fishing for a year after that, but I never went with him like before, and soon he was fishing much less. Two years later he stopped completely.

        Years later, when I was in my late twenties, I met this guy and he started courting me. We went to his cottage one weekend and that’s when I found out he was a fisherman. I wasn’t too keen, but I didn’t say anything. I was polite. I tried to be nice and tolerant.

        Then late one morning he caught a little fish. Maybe six inches or so. Not worth keeping. So he started detaching the hook from its mouth, getting ready to throw it back in the lake. For some reason, it was a problem. The hook just wouldn’t come out easily. I stood there watching him, increasingly appalled, as he kept tugging and wrenching at the hook for maybe five minutes.

        “Oh boy,” I said to myself. “I wouldn’t like to be that fish!”

        He saw the look on my face. I couldn’t disguise it. The anguish and the horror.

        Grimly, biting his lip angrily, he tore the hook from the fish’s mouth and tossed it back in the lake. The fish just lay there, motionless. It didn’t swim away. It was dead.

        We went back inside and had lunch in silence. When the weekend ended, I never saw him again.

        I am not a moral person, but I think angling as a sport should be banned. It is a cruel sport. No need to catch fish yourself. If you want to eat fish, go to a fishmonger. Buy your fish from a supermarket.

      4. The “Gilbert Huntly” imposter strikes again!

        No way our Gil would offer up a highly offensive and defamatory comment in response to something Tyron wrote. The real Gilbert is probably busy out in the fields, this being harvest time and all, so he probably hasn’t seen the deleted comment posting originating from this miscreant.

        Try that with me and I’ll push right through the cyberspace and rip your pitiful heart out of your chest!

        …..I feel better now 😉

      5. Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo… the suffering of the animals of izzysmells….. I’m just entirely broken-up about the tears of the RED joo cow….. 😉 oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo….. poo poo poo poo pooh bear pooh bear cries boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo….and goes poo poo poo…. 🙂 .

      6. Lobro

        He didn’t condone the slaughter of innocents. Animals are food just as plants, herbs are. You have been fooled into elevating lower life forms who serve their paticular purposes with Man who’s made in I AM’s image. The time will probably come when we don’t eat meat anymore (at least for those who get their angelic type Adamic bodies back) but in our present state with animal flesh and all, it’s completely fine.

        Someone here made the point that plants are also living creatures. I know we have been able to measure their stress associated to being close to a human who’s previously snapped a branch off of their stock. Following your logic we shouldn’t be able to eat plants either because that too would be “slaughter of the innocents” because after all, what did the plant do to you anyway?

        By elivating low life forms to be equal with mankind is to destroy the rightful, lawful and natural system of all creation which eventually leads to a break down in the natural order and chaos, suffering and death for everyone, everything, everywhere.

        One can apply these same principals to the human races too. All are NOT equal. All are superior and inferior one to the other depending on the subject matter. All should be recognized with certain rights and/or privileges but to try and enforce “equality” upon all races in all areas is simply begging for mass destruction of all races.

        I NEVER said one should kill for sport. One should kill to eat if one kills a lower life form. I never condoned Abortion. Those are straw-man arguments because you can’t defeat the logic put up against your position.

        See, it’s NOT hypocrisy. YOU’RE engaged in hypocrisy. No one in their right mind would find it hypocritical to ban your kids from doing something that you do as an adult and likewise; do you also think monkeys should be able to drive cars and participate human gymnastic competitions?

        You HAVE to get this “equality” Jew cult nonsense out of your head. The “Jew” knows it’s nonsense too and that’s why he forces this mind-numbing bullshit from hell on everyone else so he might usurp everyone, everywhere (especially whites) at the cost to everyone but the “Jew” (so they insanely think).

        For the love of God, man, WAKE THE F UP!

  8. John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for friends…
    … There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. …
    No one shows greater love than when he lays down his life for his friends.

    I say….
    Humans accept and share that love from animals.

    Sometimes the reverse is true… Lion wins…. gets love from humans.

  9. Perhaps the controversy of deciding the protocol of man/animal arises simply from our ability to articulate thought in language and words. Aside from that, there is more common ground in man/animal activity. Imagine yourself unable to write, or otherwise communicate. Your immediate needs would become more concerned with basic survival and functions. If ‘vegetarian’ (which would be a condition, without second-guessing), you would be concerned with browsing and grazing – without being attacked or consumed by carnivores. If a carnivore, you would be more concerned with hunting your next meal. We humans have a CHOICE. There is no one except OTHER humans to confront us with any dilemma about it. It’s not much different than having sex. One can indulge, or abstain – and ultimately die, anyway. We should be thankful we have ‘choices’. God is said to have created man in His own image… (and He can do whatever He wants in relation to us – just as we’re given dominion over animals). Be thankful God is merciful, and try to emulate Him! 🙂


    First of all, have you ever heard of the term “burden of the proof”? He who makes a claim has to prove that his claim is true, and not others have to prove that his claim is NOT true :

    “The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which in this context is: “the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges.” Wikipedia : Legal burden of proof.

    Both of you sin against this rule.

    Darlington : “But is there any proof that Jesus was NOT an Essene?”

    If anyone claims that Jesus was an Essene, he has to prove that, and not others have to prove that he was NOT.

    Lobro : “Prove it. That is to say, no such documents exist in either the Vatican library or the Royal Library of the Habsburgs and the alleged translators are either liars or don’t exist or never said what was quoted.”

    If anyone claims to have translated a “secret manuscript” from a “secret archive” he has to prove that it exists, and not others have to prove that it does NOT exist. Since the “translator” was unable to do so (“because it was secret”), we can only judge his claim by a critical analysis of the contents of his alleged “manuscript”.

    I found the article The Essene Gospel of Peace I on the Truthseeker website of April 26, 2007, ( google : http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=294 ) and the following ideas in this so called “Gospel of Jesus” are prominent :

    1) The purpose of life is “happiness”.
    2) Happiness is achieved by physical health.
    3) Physical health is achieved by living in harmony with nature, which is personified as “our Earthly Mother”.
    4) Our Earthly Mother is the source of all parts of our bodies : blood, breath, bones, flesh, bowels, eyes, and ears.
    5) If we live according to the laws of our Earthly Mother we will be happy and live long.
    6) However, Beelzebub tries to keep us from obeying those laws, which will make us sick and cause us to die.
    7) We have to choose between Beelzebub and his demons and our Earthly Mother and her angels.
    8) The laws of our Earthly Mother cannot be found in scriptures but in nature itself.

    Thus are the key ideas of this alleged “Gospel of Jesus”. You decide if these ideas tally with those in the New Testament or are the fantasy of a modern Western health freak combined with some pantheistic New Age ideas.

    1. Franklin,

      Let’s stop all this in-fighting! I’ve already told you I go along with roughly 90 per cent of what you say and that I consider you one of the three best posters on this site. Why waste your energy arguing about whether Jesus was an Essene or not? I don’t know if Jesus was an Essene or not! And neither do you on your own admission!

      Since neither of us know for sure if Jesus was an Essene or not, surely I am entitled to believe that he MAY have been an Essene?

      If you want to believe Jesus was NOT an Essene, feel free to do so if that makes you feel any better. After all, you could be right! But if it turns out that you ARE right, it will still not alter my perception of Jesus.

      This is no big deal. We are arguing about straws! You could be right and I could be wrong . . . what more can I say?

      1. I consider debating not infighting, though sometimes it may become somewhat rough.
        But alright, let’s stop quarrelling.

    2. “3) Physical health is achieved by living in harmony with nature, which is personified as “our Earthly Mother”.”

      You can stop reading at number three. Earthly ‘mother’ is Satanic. There is a major component to Antichrist movements of denying that God is masculine. If you read the Bible you’ll constantly see God the Father, Him, His, God sending His Son to Earth, God creating us in His image, and so on.

      “Mother” nature is just another attack on God. If a Christian talks about “Mother” Nature then they are deluded. Probably even unsaved.

  11. I guess hyenas have their place in universe and I won’t debate this any further.
    As to the provenance of these Essene gospels, here is one link, take it or leave it, I ain’t wasting more time on it.

    Karen: the quote is good and can be applied down to everyone’s individual level.

    The blind Torah thumpers will never see this.

    1. What I never knew and find utterly fascinating is that this”secret” library ‘neath Vatican runs for 25 miles of stacks. Not even Ellie, with her prodigous reading ability could have worked her way thru that.
      And why wouldn’t the Curia have kept such a document secret, that lays open the original deceit of the Nicene Creed?
      I always go with what makes sense and Luke’s depiction of Jesus’s callous disregard for the animals’ suffering is so out of picture, portrays a shallow, narrow adherent to the dead letter of Phariseic Law that I either reject the picture or reject the man as someone to look up to.

      Call it freedom of choice.

    2. Per this linked article:

      To say the Essenes “believed” in reincarnation is an incomplete statement. The Essenes believed reincarnation is an experienced reality, but there was an understanding among them that it represents an action of total coercion that is completely unnecessary for ANY experience of Existence. An understanding I concur with (as if fellow long-time readers didn’t already know this) 😉

      I think therefore I rationalize

  12. oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo…..Putin is bombing the shit out of the animals of ISIS…. boo hoo hoo hoo hoo….. Putin is blowing up the jew animals in ISIS with rags on their jew animal heads pretending to be “Muslims”…. Putin is hurting the jew animals and being cruel to the jew animals…..oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo….. how could Putin be doing this to our precious jew animals….. oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo….Put an end to animal cruelty—> Put an End To Putin blowing up the jew animals!!! Putin makes the jew animals cry…. oh poo poo poo poo pooh bear…. what the fuck are we going to do…. boo hoo hoo hoo….

    1. Don’t diss PETA Joe, someday they may come to your rescue.

      And don’t forget a couple of Metamucil pills every morning, it does wonders for that unbearable lightness of being.

      (although, to be honest, Outraged, he is technically right if you read carefully … ISIS ARE ANIMALS and that Putin is bombing the shit out of the animals of ISIS makes sense)

  13. I guess we named our daughter Christine just in the nick of time….

    As always she has our full protection

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