The Old Testament: For and Against — A Debate between Christopher Jon Bjerknes and Lasha Darkmoon (Part 2)

This article is in response to Part 1, by Christopher Jon Bjerknes, Why I Hate the Old Testament

Part 2: In Defense of the Old Testament

by Lasha Darkmoon


The Bible is the Holy Book of 2.1 billion Christians. Can so many Christians be wrong to read the first half of the Bible, the Old Testament, with reverence and respect? Does the girl in the picture above, who is reading the Old Testament, look evil and dangerous to you?  

In this article, I hope to explain why the Old Testament is important and what it means to me personally. I freely admit that I have never read the Old Testament in its entirety from cover to cover, but only certain favorite books which I happen to like. I feel very strongly that these extraordinary books should not be condemned because of the so-called “bad books” which stand in juxtaposition to them. The baby should not be thrown out with the bath water.

I realize only too well that I have already lost this debate in advance—on this site anyway—and that few of my regular readers are likely to sympathize with my views on the Old Testament. However, I  know at the same time that I will find many supporters for my views elsewhere. For example, Dr E. Michael Jones, who is a good Catholic, would probably stand behind me  and defend the Old Testament also, as would most other practicing Christians, because to reject the Old Testament literally leaves Christianity in ruins.

Is this a circular argument? No it is not, because I begin with the assumption that there are millions of Christians out there who are so anti-Semitic that they would like nothing to do with the Old Testament. They would like to tear the Old Testament out of the Bible and trample upon it, holding on to the New Testament grimly. These are the Christians—and we have met them repeatedly in these columns—who insist that Jesus was not a Jew.

I don’t wish to enter into argument with these crackpot conspiracy theorists. Cosily ensconced  in a delusional cocoon of their own, they are impervious to logic as well as historical fact. According to these cranks, Jesus was an Aryan gentleman with blue eyes and blonde hair, belonging to one of the ten lost tribes of Israel — and he doesn’t have a drop of Semitic blood in his veins! (See here,  here and here)

We know for a fact that Jesus taught in the synagogue, something he would not have been allowed to do if he had been a non-Jew. We also know that the capital letters inscribed on his cross were INRI, which stand for IESUS NAZARENUS REX IUDAEORUM, meaning “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews”.

Iudaeus (later written as ‘Judaeus’)  =  Jew.
Iudaea (later written as ‘Judea’)  =  the country of the Jews, Judea or Palestine.
(Cassell’s New Latin Dictionary, p. 329)

This-is-the-King-of-the-Jews    §

My favorite Old Testament book is the Book of Ecclesiastes. It is short and can be read in a single sitting. It is essentially a long prose poem and its beautiful language and sublimity always move me profoundly, as almost nothing else in world literature does.

Here are some excerpts from  Ecclesiastes. I can see no harm in them. They do not corrupt me. In no way are they “dangerous” or “obscene”. They do not speak of Jewish world domination or the destruction of the goyim. The sentiments expressed here are cool, philosophical, detached, and utterly sublime in their own world-weary way.

Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered. And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. 

Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Truly the light is sweet, and a pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun: But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.

Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment. Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth are vanity.

Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them; 

While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

In the day when the keepers of the house shall tremble, and the strong men shall bow themselves, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those that look out of the windows be darkened,

And the doors shall be shut in the streets, when the sound of the grinding is low, and he shall rise up at the voice of the bird, and all the daughters of musick shall be brought low;

Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. 

Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.

The Book of Ecclesiastes, King  James Version

Truly, not to be moved by these words is to have a heart of stone; it is to be spiritually dead.


I first became acquainted with the Book of Ecclesiastes as a child. This was after my beloved father, one fine morning as we sat on our sunny patio overlooking the blue ocean, read me the final chapter of the great book. I was only 13 years old at the time and soon knew the chapter by heart. It began with the memorable words:

“Remember now thy creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them.”

These words almost knocked me out of my chair. There I was, young and vibrant and in the early spring of my life, like a sappy plant in a lush paradise garden, with the warm semi-tropical sun kissing my pale flesh, and a frisson ran right though me at the thought that I would never be so young and alive again, never again so utterly in the now moment, and that the galloping years would bring grief and darkness to me and wither my flesh, and, in the course of time, bring me to old age, sickness and death.

By the time my father had reached the final words of the great book, words which burned into my young brain like a blowtorch, I was in tears:

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”

Who could fail to be moved by these sublime words?  Here the ancient doctrine of karma, as old as time and rooted in every great religion, forms the clincher in the concluding sentence. This was my introduction to the Old Testament. The effect on my psyche was profound. My father could see I had gone into a sort of semi-mystical trance.

“Darling, are you all right?” he asked solicitously. I smiled through my tears, radiant with rapture. In that moment the seed of faith was sown in my heart. I had been a carefree child in the morning. In the afternoon, I was no longer a child. I had suddenly found God in the golden sunshine. The words of Ecclesiastes had been the catalyst. The entire world around me was now bathed in preternatural light. All was transformed, all was beautiful, all was meaningful, all was infinitely precious.

I apologize for this foolish outburst.

All I can say is this. If any Jew-bashing Old Testament hater can see anything wicked in the words of Ecclesiastes that I have just quoted, let him step forward and point out the wickedness and where it lies. I challenge him to do this. If he cannot, let him have the decency to hang his head in shame and try to acquire the rudiments of humility.


Apart from the Book of Ecclesiastes, the Old Testament books that have impressed me most have been the Book of Job (which Jung wrote about extensively in his volume “Answer to Job”), the Proverbs of Solomon, Isaiah, Genesis, and, finally, the Psalms of David. Nor must the Apocrypha be forgotten, in particular the Wisdom of Solomon and the Book of Ecclesiasticus (not be confused with the Book of Ecclesiastes).

Need I point out that the Psalms of David form the bedrock of the liturgy of the Catholic Church and that the Catholic Church is the foundation church of Christianity? Christian civilization—the greatest civilization the world has ever known in terms of great art, architecture, literature, music and philosophy—was founded in AD 313 with the adoption of Christianity by the Roman Empire after the conversion of the Emperor Constantine.

Numerous Christian monasteries sprung up all over Europe and in all of these, from the very earliest times, the Psalms of David were chanted by the monks and nuns and priests. The whole congregation joined in at Sunday Mass. Plainchant it is called. Or Gregorian chant. It is written in the lucidly pure Latin of St Jerome and has remained unchanged to this day.

For centuries, ever since the foundation of Christianity up to the present time, these beautiful psalms of the Old Testament prophet have been chanted in every country of the world to which the message of the Lord Jesus Christ has been taken. Not once a day, not twice a day, not three times a day — but seven times a day!

These are the seven Divine Offices, originally eight, also known as the Holy Hours, in which the Psalms of David are sung: matins-cum-lauds, prime, terce, sext, nones, vespers, compline. The exact times of day when these seven religious services have been held have varied throughout the centuries, but during a typical day in the High Middle Ages in Europe these Latin language services would have been held at roughly the following times: matins at the crack of dawn, with lauds soon to follow after a very brief interval, prime at 6am, terce at 9am, sext at midday, nones at 3pm, vespers at 6pm, compline at 9pm. After compline the monks went straight to bed.

(For more details, see Medieval Notes: The Divine Office, by Lasha Darkmoon)

What am I trying to say? I am saying that if you reject the Old Testament, you do so rather recklessly, without a proper knowledge of the history of Christianity and how its liturgy is bound up inextricably with the Psalms of David.

Cut the Old Testament out of Christianity and you have to sacrifice the Psalms of David. Sacrifice the Psalms of David and you have to sacrifice the Divine Office. In one fell swoop, you lose matins, lauds, prime, sext, nones, vespers and compline. Not much left, is there?

The moment you start thinking about cutting the Old Testament out of the Bible, you have embarked on a reckless bout of mutilation or demolition. All you are left with is the New Testament, and, hopefully, your veneration of the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ.

But even the New Testament is saturated with Old Testament references. No matter how much you try, you cannot expunge the Old Testament from the New Testament.



Can you say to yourself: “Forget the Old Testament! Forget the Catholic Church! Forget orthodox religion and every other branch of Christianity! Just give me two things: the New Testament and Jesus Christ.”

No, you can’t do that. Not with any consistency. Because you cannot have Jesus Christ and at the same time reject his teachings. And his teachings are rooted in the soil of the Old Testament.

Jesus taught in the synagogue, remember. Which is a Jewish institution. Not a Christian one.


Jesus quotes from the Old Testament constantly, including from the Psalms of David. His last words on the cross—Eli, eli, lama sabachthani? Lord, lord, why hast thou forsaken me?—is a quote from the Psalms of David.

Think, please think: would the last words of a dying man be a quote from a book he hated?

The easiest way out of this morass is to become a nihilist and believe in nothing. Or to be a happy pagan who is content, like Epicurus, to spend his life in the pursuit of pleasure.  Is sex and food and fun, eating and drinking and making merry and getting stoned, enough to keep a man happy until the grave swallows him up in darkness and oblivion?

I don’t think so.

It is not the love of money, but godlessness, that is the root of all evil. Man lives by his ideals and noble aspirations. However irrational these may seem to the scoffing nihilist, they invest his life with meaning; for without some supermundane goal and purpose, life becomes meaningless and the only logical outcome of such a bleak and pessimistic attitude is to hang oneself.

It was not for nothing that Nietzsche, at the end of his tether, wrote down these memorable words, “Formula of my Happiness: a Yes, a No, a Straight Line, a Goal.”

And here is the prophet Isaiah, “And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.”

Christianity is built on the foundation of the Judaism of the Old Testament, by which I mean the sum total of the collective wisdom of countless generations of Jewish thought. For who can deny that Solomon was wise or that King David and Isaiah and Job had delved into the heart of things and plumbed the depths of the human condition? Cut away this rich foundation of Jewish thought and the whole building that is Christianity collapses.

Judaism is the dark root, Christianity the flower.


As I sat in meditation one morning, the Devil whispered in my ear. I grabbed a pencil and quickly wrote down his words. I lie not. These are the words the Whisperer dictated to me as I sat by my window in deepest contemplation, and I will give you his exact words as he spoke them—pure poison—pure, unadulterated poison from the bottomless pits of hell:

“The ultimate toxin is Truth. This is the sad secret of life. In order to survive and be moderately happy, man needs to surround himself with beautiful illusions and comforting lies. If the Truth ever became known, it would have to be concealed.” 

Lasha Darkmoon

Dr Lasha Darkmoon (b.1978) is an Anglo-American ex-academic with higher degrees in Classics whose political articles and poems have been translated into several languages. Most of her political essays can be found at The Occidental Observer and The TruthSeeker. Her own website,, is now within the top 1 percent of websites in the world according to the Alexa ranking system.

218 thoughts to “The Old Testament: For and Against — A Debate between Christopher Jon Bjerknes and Lasha Darkmoon (Part 2)”

  1. Well argued but I would like to make a few points. Firstly, I am unaware of any St. James Bible. I ixquicked it and got the King James Bible. Now King James was certainly no saint, but the committee that wrote the bible were obviously scholars as the language is indeed beautiful.
    Secondly, the book of Job. My understanding of it is the point it makes is that God should be loved without any thought of reward. The Bhagavad Gita states this explicitly. Buddhists also say one should make merit for its own sake and without any expectation of reward. In other words, God should be loved for his own sake and a good christian should pray for this and only this! Is this your take on Job?
    Thirdly, you say you like Genesis. If you read Chapter 19 we have Lot offering his virgin daughters to be gang-raped by a baying mob outside his door if they will leave him alone. A most unrighteous act and I most certainly would have left him in the city to be incinerated! Regarding the flood that is based on the earlier epic of Gilgamesh.
    Moreover, your argument is based on a very narrow Western idea of Christianity. What about the Eastern Orthodox, the Nestorians, the Copts, the Maronites and above all the Ethiopians. The “lost” book of Enoch was discovered there in the 19th Century I believe. The current One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church has become deeply corrupted and it has also been infiltrated by Freemasonry! The current Eastern Orthodox seems to be undergoing a spiritual renewal as seen in the pressure exerted on Mr. Putin by the Patriarch to save the Syrian Christians.
    Also, mention should be made of the Protestants in particular Calvin and Zwingli. That pharasaical duo enabled Christians to become usurers. The Catholics followed suit circa 1840! Thus we have the unfortunate situation of Mammon marrying Christianity. As Jesus said, “No man can serve 2 masters, he will either love one and hate the other.” Thus we have the spectacle of evangelists exhorting their lost followers to become rich, because being rich is a sign of God’s blessing. What about the camel going through the eye of a needle?
    So it is hard to say that anyone can “win” a debate such as this, and I don’t believe this was your purpose. You just wanted to encourage a lively exchange of views! If so, you have indeed succeeded! May the blessings of the triple gem be upon you!

    1. @ Felix

      “Well argued but I would like to make a few points. Firstly, I am unaware of any St. James Bible. I ixquicked it and got the King James Bible. Now King James was certainly no saint . . . “

      The mistake has been corrected.

  2. Lasha Darkmoon has succeeded in, not only triggering an interesting and lively discussion that lasted days on her site , but also reminding us that the OT is part of the Christian religion, and close to the practicing christian.

    Yes, the OT contains inspiring texts. But so do other Christian texts: the lives of saints, the imitation of Jesus-Christ, the Philocalia, the Russian Pilgrim, and many other. The OT is one of them, no doubt.

    The first Christians were taught by the disciples of Jesus. These disciples were mainly Israelites. Jesus reminded them of their proper religious tradition, the written Torah with its prophecies, psalms, etc., of which He was the conclusion. So for them Jesus was an integral part of it. But for the gentiles, there was no such ‘link’. They did not need the OT tradition, irrespective of whether it is good or evil.

    The message of Jesus stands on its own, and does not need any story behind it, partly fabricated or not. Very little ‘book’ knowledge is needed to perceive it. Didn’t He say:

    “I bless you, Father, Lord of heaven and of earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned and revealed them to little children (Mt 11,25).

    Little children who’s minds are still free from the OT. Also look at the message of Buddha, and particularly that of the recent great Hindu saints and incarnations. The essence of their messages is similar to that of Jesus, although their paths differ. And they have no OT to back them up, as if to certify a legitimacy.

    Saying that ‘without the OT Christianity falls in ruins’ is perpetuating the idea that Christianity is the only real religion, and only it can save us, the others being rubbish. Why? Because it would need this monumental OT that other religions don’t have. Like, we Christians are at the center of everything, and the only holders of Truth. How is that?

    It tells us that God made an alliance, a Covenant with man (not any man, just the Hebrew!) etc., then came the Messiah giving a new meaning to this covenant, for all, Hebrews and gentiles, to follow Him. So are the followers of other religions not part of mankind? Are they excluded from salvation? Are we now the lucky ones, like the Hebrew were the chosen ones, or what?

    Last, I invite you to think of the modern catch-phrase ‘our judeo-christian heritage’ that frequently pops up in the medias. How it came about, how it can be exploited, by whom, and who the gullible victims are.

    So, while I still wonder ‘why is the OT still part of the Bible?’ I have no problem with its inspiring contents. I also ignore its nasty parts.

    1. there were no so-called “Jews” in the Old Testament
      and no “Jewishness” until Jesus was crucified by the
      Money Changers & Pharisees…

      {See Also King Bulan and the Magic Foreskins}
      H/T Lady Renouf…

      Mullins Book the Curse of Canaan is a good read
      for some historical context, as is knowing the
      actual History of the Children of Israel.
      One might revisit the Book of Joshua and keep in mind
      that the Children of Israel at that time had never heard
      of a so-called “Jew”. {See Joshua 22}

      Jesus could not be a so-called “Jew” on account of his
      Fathers “Business”…!

  3. @Gilbert Huntley! I noticed you posed a question in Part 1 as to whether Hinduism is Branch of Buddhism. It is not! Hinduism is much older and has a plethora of variations! The Hindu and Buddhist cosmology is similar, but Buddhists do not worship any God, as such. They do not have any creation myth, believing that universes arise and disappear, arise and disappear and it has always been so! I am not trying to proselytise here. The first injunctions of the Buddha were, cease to do evil, do good and purify the mind. The main teaching of Buddhism is the 4 Noble Truths which are Suffering, the cause of suffering, the cessation of suffering and the path leading to the Cessation of Suffering. Now the pali word Dukkha is translated as suffering but it actually means much more than that. More like everything is unsatisfactory because it is impermanent. You may be healthy and well off now but that will not always be so! You will grow old, get sick and die! What causes suffering, desire or craving. Suffering ceases when craving ceases. The 4th truth in Pali is Magga which literally means path. All Buddhists follow the 8 fold path. In Buddhism there is no caste system like in hinduism. No where the confusion probably arose as to Buddhism being a branch of Hinduism is the that Hindus believe the Buddha to be the 8th incarnationof Vishnu. Buddhists most certainly do not! In Buddhism there are 5 precepts for a lay person to follow. To refrain from killing, taking anything not given, sexual misconduct, false speech and taking intoxicants to the point of heedlessness! Buddhists have 4 qualities they must develop: Metta, loving kindness, karuna, compassion, mudita, sympathetic joy and ubekkha, equanimity. There are two main types of meditation in Theravada Buddhism, concentration and insight. Concentration can be practised alone, but insight requires very strict supervision by a meditation master. Unsupervised it can be as dangerous as taking LSD! The Christian hesychasts advise one that when practising the Jesus prayer one should do so under supervision. There are 2 main schools of Buddhism; Mahayana and Theravada. The Mahayanist believes everyone should wait and go together to enlightenment. Theravada is more about “plucking the beam from one’s own eye” before attempting to tell others what to do!

    So with grovelling apologies to Lasha for taking up so much valuable space I will sign off by saying that Buddhism and Hinduism are very different.

    1. Thank you for the clarification, Felix!

      To comment on Lasha’s piece, I can only say that it seems a little unlike her, in its absence of feistiness (since it was intended as rebuttal to that prior piece done by the Bjerkens fellow). I understand her perspective, though, and will reconsider my position on whether or not Jesus was a “Jew”.

      Pat gave the best assessment of “Jewry” as yet: He said it is not ‘racial’ – but, rather, a selection of religion. In fact, I know a man who became a “Jew” to assuage the demands of the parents of his wife-to-be (they were Jewish). (I have had NO respect for him, since; although she IS a beautiful woman! 🙂 )

      1. Yes, Gilbert. It is indeed a horrible burden to be Jewish. I remember reading a book by an Egyptian Journalist, Mohammad Heykal, about 15 years ago. Apparently when former President Carter met Pope Shenonu of the Copts, he said that the Jews were the Chosen People. Carter was taken aback when the Pope replied they weren’t. The Jews had had their chance and rejected their Messiah, so now the Christians are the Chosen People! The Old Testament has nothing to match the spiritual brilliance of the Sermon on the Mount! The best exposition of the Sermon on the Mount I have read is the book by Swami Prabhavananda a Hindu “The Sermon on the Mount according to Vedanta.” I have a Jewish friend, now a Buddhist, who told me there was something very dark about Judaism. That was from the horse’s mouth! In fact whenever he encounters Israelis he goes in the other direction. He has an absolute horror of his former religion. The Israeli tourists which come to Thailand are detested by the Thais and other tourists for their obnoxious and boorish behaviour!

    2. Buddha lies.


      1. @Brownhawk.
        If you had read my post correctly you would have read that the Pali word Dukkha is translated into English incorrectly. It’s meaning is very wide and means that everything in life is transitory, without any real satisfaction because everything born, created, originated or formed is impermanent. Thus it cannot provide any lasting satisfaction.
        I doubt the Buddha would worry about you calling him a liar because in the end all be well. Yes, even for you as your are an eternal being and will eventually become enlightened. Which is why Buddhists have never launched Crusades or Jihads, or murdered others for believing differently. How many millions were slaughtered in the 30 years war, from 1618 to 1648, in a religious war between Protestants and Catholics?

      2. Felix

        Whither “impermanence”? ie, relevant to what exactly, if there is only this very moment?

        Buddha is a ‘jew invention’, so to speak, in the sense that an extreme passive state is fostered by a manufactured “creed” to such an extent that only “bliss” is real, nothing else. The bully having his every which way with you? No problem. It’s all an illusion anyway, right? Just bliss out and all is well!

        No need to dump sodium flouride in a Buddhist’s water 😉

  4. Thanks, Lasha –

    As I once did, myself, some seemed to have limited their choices for life’s paths. I realized through finally studying just one man, that there were more choices than religion or suicide.

    This man was not a nihilist or pagan. He joined no religion, never started one either. And he never considered suicide. He lived 72 years without compromises.

    By studying him, I concluded the biggest liars have the largest attendance at their funerals.
    He is the most accomplished, yet, least praised enabler in America and France.
    He is Paine:

    Thomas Paine was an English and American political activist, philosopher, political theorist and revolutionary.
    As the author of the two – MOST INFLUENTIAL – pamphlets at the start of the American Revolution, he inspired the rebels in 1776 to declare independence from Britain.
    His ideas reflected Enlightenment-era rhetoric of transnational human rights. He has been called “a corsetmaker by trade, a journalist by profession, and a propagandist by inclination.”

    Born in Thetford, England, in the county of Norfolk, Paine emigrated to the British American colonies in 1774 with the help of Benjamin Franklin, arriving just in time to participate in the American Revolution.

    Virtually – EVERY REBEL – read (or listened to a reading of) his powerful pamphlet Common Sense (1776), the all-time best-selling American title which crystallized the rebellious demand for independence from Great Britain.

    Common Sense was – SO INFLUENTIAL – that John Adams said, “Without the pen of the author of Common Sense, the sword of Washington would have been raised in vain.”

    His The American Crisis (1776–83) was a pro-revolutionary pamphlet series.

    Paine lived in France for most of the 1790s, becoming deeply involved in the French Revolution. He wrote Rights of Man (1791), in part a defense of the French Revolution against its critics. His attacks on British writer Edmund Burke led to a trial and conviction in absentia in 1792 for the crime of seditious libel.

    In 1792, despite not being able to speak French, he was elected to the French National Convention. The Girondists regarded him as an ally. Consequently, the Montagnards, especially Robespierre, regarded him as an enemy.

    In December 1793, he was arrested and imprisoned in Paris, then released in 1794.

    He became notorious because of his pamphlet The Age of Reason (1793–94), in which he advocated deism, promoted reason and free thought, and argued against institutionalized religion in general and Christian doctrine in particular.

    He also published the pamphlet Agrarian Justice (1797), discussing the origins of property, and introduced the concept of a guaranteed minimum income.
    In 1802, he returned to the U.S. where he died on June 8, 1809.

    Only six people attended his funeral as he had been ostracized for his ridicule of Christianity. None were his relatives.

    1. “there were more choices than religion or suicide.” : thank goodness for that..
      Had Paine lived here, and now, he would probably have been involved in the Iranian revolution, and all the other revolutions taking place, as we speak/write..

      1. @Ingrid.
        Hermann Goering! “I don’t care about all the ideological nonsense. I only care about the revolution.”

    2. I wholeheartedly concur, Pat.

      Thomas Paine was like an avatar in his own right. A very important and empowering man, which, as you allude, is exactly why he is so overlooked and under-appreciated

      1. And Paine relied on his OWN inner strengths…NO crutches…. NO debts. NO trespasses.
        His convictions garnered him a lesser parade…of just 5 in the end.
        Preacher. Undertaker’s wife and son. And two Negro freemen diggers.
        NO political liars were present.

  5. Hannibal Lecter also said some cool stuff.
    It would be such a pity if he were rejected outright just because he was a serial killer and cannibal.

    After all, he loved the Jody Foster character like own daughter whereas Japhet readily sacrificed his daughter in order to fulfill the promise of burnt offerings (only $9.99 while supplies last!!!)
    Had it been Japhet’s son, I am sure Hashem would have swapped him for a sheep but daughters aren’t worth the exchange.

      1. @ Lobro

        “Who was the theologian and philosopher who said: “I believe because I am scared”?

        No one said that. Tertullian said, “Credo quia absurdum.” (I believe because it is absurd).

      2. brother sard, you should have expected an ambush when i talk like that:

        “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
        if tartullian thought that the statement
        “i believe because it is scary”
        is absurd, i’d have to agree with him.
        i was always under naive impression that jesus insisted that men follow him of their FREE WILL, not as frightened, obedient slaves.
        but that may have been due to another botched translation from the original hasbara of the epoch and location.

        O Tempora! O Morons!

    1. Yes, lobro –

      Dr Lecter was a character in Harris’s SUSPENSE BIBLE….
      ….and was as real as Moses in the KJV SERIES of NOVELS.

      The charismatic, real-life, Ted Bundy would have a place in the KJV series. He even cut off some heads for display on the mantles.
      Numbers or Kings could hold a place for Bundy ‘The Beautiful.’

      1. Leo –

        Harris’s works, writing about Lecter, and the KJV were ‘scary’ fictions. Induced FEAR.

        Bundy is also an icon of FEAR.

  6. Some important points posted by the author.

    I wonder though if the OT can exclude The Book of Esther. It definitely seems like a jew takeover 101 book.

    1. to be a “Jew” the so-called “Jew” must

      1} Hate Jesus and
      2} Have a copy of the Talmud

      There are no “Jews” in the Old Testament just as there
      were no Dallas Cowboys at the Alamo…

      eventually the LANGUAGE must be made PURE
      ZEPHANIAH 3:9 –
      so that all the TARES {JEWS} MATTHEW 13:39-42
      go directly into the OVENS of TRUTH…

      {FLASH BACK : who owned the – THEATRE OF THE ABSURD
      during the 1st World Trade Center Bombing…& the
      51 DAY Trauma based Mass Mind Control Project
      called WACO …?}



  7. Quote,
    Does the girl in the
    picture above, who is reading the
    Old Testament, look evil and
    dangerous to you?

    How do i know she is reading a bible? Maybe shes reading some Marvel comics or sth.

    Btw……yes shes evil, way too pretty. Uh..

    Must stop talmudic takeover of brain…..must resist.

    1. “Does the girl in the picture above, who is reading the Old Testament, look evil and dangerous to you?”

      This comment would be much the same as a picture of young children going into theater to watch any one of the Jewish horror movies and saying “do these children look, like Freddy Kruger to you?” The problem is not the girl reading the book, the problem is the ideas the book conveys to young minds. The Tanakh, Torah, is a book of stories about murder, extortion, blood-lust, duplicity, hate, vengeance, genocide and many other unsavory subjects. The question should be, do you want this young girl’s mind, or your children’s minds, corrupted by these twisted hateful ideas? Are these healthy concepts to impart to young minds?

      The only justification for allowing young minds to look at this kind of sick, Jewish drek is in a carefully controlled setting that clearly explains whom these stories were written for and what they meant to the people for whom they were written. This is exactly the setting I used in describing the education of Yeshu. In my book, Yeshu is taught the meaning of these stories by a group of enlightened Essene sages who carefully read between the lines to explain the details behind these stories and what they meant for people governed by them.

      Unless one is going to use these stories to expose the Jew’s cultural machinations, they are dangerous indeed to both Jew and non-Jew alike. Christianity has a long history showing the result of these stories put to use as the authors originally intended, only this time by a non-Jewish priesthood. The result was the same as it was for Jews oppressed by the second temple priests, i.e. the terrible oppression of both Jewish and non-Jewish cultures with horrors like the inquisition, banishment and excommunication imposed upon them. Note, because of these stories, Yeshu himself was executed in the most horrible way imaginable.

      How many more of these historical horrors will be suffered because people are allowed to read these twisted, psychopathic stories of blood-lust, control and oppression? These stories should be banished from the culture like the Jews who wrote, support and and use them to this very day to oppress, subjugate and destroy other cultures.

  8. Yes Lasha, tears are required..

    How wonderful you are to share your tears with friends and strangers..

  9. The Hebrew Bible (The Pentateuch) is plagiarized mythology and defaced monotheism.

    A lot of the stories in the Old Testament are in fact plagiarized material, particularly from the rich mythical heritage of the Sumerians, the inventors of writing. The story of Noah and the flood story, the creation of man out of clay, Cain and Abel, the gardens of Eden, the tree of knowledge, creation of Eve from Adams rib, and numerous other myths, like the throwing of Moses after he was born in the river, are all but stories found recorded on Sumerian clay tablets dating 6000 years back in time.

    This has long been common knowledge amongst the OBJECTIVE scholars of history, archeology and anthropology.

    Religion, with colossal temples and ziggurats and creation myths, first sprouted along the fertile banks of the Tigris and Euphrates in Mesopotamia and the river Nile in Egypt, how could we explain the dominance of Judaism, some tribal cult which supposedly originated (centuries later in time) amid the arid terrains of Canaan, over the Egyptian and Sumerian once thriving theologies?

    Actually Judaism didn’t, surpass the influence of the Egyptian nor the Sumerian theology; this was a formidably hard task for any nomadic community to aspire for, instead Judaism did it the easy way.

    As the antiquity era was approaching an end, and as the hieroglyphic and the cuneiform writings were getting extinct, the Hebrews simply stole the Egyptian and the Sumerian thunder. The Hebrew scribes, whom I presume knew what they were doing, copycatted the famous myths/epics of ancient Egypt and Sumer, in what could be the world’s first and yet the biggest copyright infringement, and stuffed THEIR Bible with them.

    When The Hebrew scribes began to write down parts of their old testament/chronicles, which they never imagined, nor planned to be a holy Bible, it was not an overnight job, rather it was a lengthy and interrupted process that may have started around the time of the Assyrian invasion (722 BCE) of the Levant, during which all of Canaan was virtually an Egyptian province, and culminated around the time of the Hellenistic period (332-63 BCE).

    While geography was the reason behind the development of the brilliant civilizations of both the Egyptians and the Sumerians, it was on the other side, and ironically enough, the main cause for the Hebrews’ misfortune.

    Delivered to the savagery of the clans and Squeezed in a land barren and hostile between the ancient superpowers without any chance of military resistance or evolving further beyond the nomadic/unsettled structure, the Jews turned to metaphysics and began to fantasize.

    In an atmosphere of despair and rage, especially after the Romans ruthlessly crushed what was seen as the last Hebrew disobedience (66-70 CE) the Jewish religious megalomaniac Messianic fantasies prospered.

    The powerlessness of the Jews found an outlet in the myths and invented a glorious national history, something similar to what modern day Zionism did, avenging long years of ostracism and cruelty and dragging their enemy’s names through the dirt.

    In the Bible, the Hebrew scribes unleashed the dagger of malevolence and took a stab at the superpowers of the ancient world, namely Egypt, Sumer and Babylon.

    Through a prism of total prejudice and deeply seated grudge the Hebrew scribes wrote, page up and page down, not what really happened in ancient times, but rather what they wished had happened.

    So, in their scrolls, the Hebrew scribes depicted Babel (Babylon) as the (hot bed of vice) with its tower in ruin, where in reality it stood 90 meters high, and Egypt as the land of slavery and tyranny, devastated by Yahweh’s gruesome punishments in the aftermath of which Egypt’s Pharaoh and his army drowned, where in fact, Egypt stood uninterrupted for 3000 years as one of the ancient world’s superpowers.

    Everything the Israelites desperately longed for, namely a mythology with fascinating stories like that of the Sumerians, a religion with big temples like that of the Egyptians … and yes, a piece of land they could call home like everybody else, the Hebrew scribes made damn sure it was granted to them on the pages of THEIR bible.

    Replacing Ziusudra with Noah, Enki with Adam, Sargon of Akkad with Moses and Aten with Yahweh, the Hebrew scribes gave the world one of its most inconsistent and confusing books ever. In a cunning way, the Hebrew scribes, as they wrote down the scripture of their Bible, had plagiarized the ancient Near Eastern wisdom and claimed it theirs.

    The Hebrews, appropriating what otherwise could have stayed as one of the world’s finest myths and theology, have turned it into a completely different thing.

    They have molded it into a tribal thing; the universal nature of the Egyptian gods, e.g., Amun, Aten, had been twisted and refashioned to function only as the Hebrews’ own exclusive god, and hence the Hebrews as his own chosen people. And in a way this dominating concept of favoritism/nepotism has, and for the first time in the history of mankind, introduced/nurtured the idea of religious extremism.

    And even if by time, the Sumerian and Egyptian myths had probably turned into anecdotal tales of the distant past, how could we explain the reason/motive why the names of the main characters were extracted out and replaced by Hebrew counterfeits. … Evenmore, with all the previous presumptions overlooked, how could we forgive the Hebrews’ wickedness of ascribing all this wisdom to their tribal god?

    As their scribes were tampering with the history and the mythology of the ancient Near East, and through their ignorance/deceit the Israelites messed up not only with the great stories of Egypt and Sumer but they also damaged the concept of universalism and pluralism that for years underlined the religious thinking of the ancient Near East.

    As the Hebrew scribes were tramping over the history of the ancient Near East they rewrote/invented a mythical table of nations (sons of Noah) that, at the end, and through a long cycle of selective favoritism, came down and as expected to favoring the sons of Shem (founding myth of modern day Semitism)

    And hence, the world through the tribal lens of the Israelites was only conceivable as Jews vs. Gentiles, This lingering duality complex that denied the Jews, till this very day, the ability to assimilate anywhere outside the psychological orbit of the tribe.

    What Judaism actually added to the world’s religious thinking is something totally different and, at the same time, inherently harmful. Through THEIR tribal and somehow shallow collective mentality, the Hebrews had planted the root of religious dogmatism and fanaticism when they allowed for the absurd idea of God’s chosen people to flourish and permeate the religious thinking from then on.

    Unfortunately that religious extremism passed on to Christianity, which was supposed to act as a counterbalance to Judaism’s tribal vulgarity, until it reached its worst case in Islam.

    1. I was nodding all the way through your comment, theft-tick, destruction/demonization of those deemed superior-tick, until the punch-line, which labels christianity with “religious extremism”, and Islam with “tribal vulgarity”, without any explanation as to why you reached that conclusion..

    2. modern day so-called “Jews” are not “Hebrews”.

      oddly the Hebrews in the Old Testament
      called Israelites are not… “Jews”

      there is unfortunately a
      terrorist “Jewish” so-called “State” that appears to be
      the swirling effluent of the
      Talmudic Money Changers & the ” Pharisees”…
      calling itself “Israel” …See Genesis 49 & Deut. 32….!

    3. Beautifully put, you ought to write a book. I am going to keep a copy of your post. I find it strange and inexplicable in the least that the people who profess belief in these religions never bother to study the evidence for themselves. Instead they simply listen to those who have a vested interest in perverting the story to fill their own needs and desires.

  10. The Bible is a book full of contradictions, inconsistencies and anachronistic history. It is a book of parables and allegorical stories for which many people have wrongly been indoctrinated to interpret as literal.

    “Jesus quotes from the Old Testament constantly, including from the Psalms of David. His last words on the cross—Eli, eli, lama sabachthani? Lord, lord, why hast thou forsaken me?—is a quote from the Psalms of David.”

    “Think, please think: would the last words of a dying man be a quote from a book he hated?

    The gospels contradict one another on this actually…

    Jesus Last Words

    All four gospels claimed to have recorded down the last words Jesus uttered before he passed away. We would expect, if their veracity is to be trusted that they all reported Jesus to say the same words. However, this is not the case. The evangelists simply cannot agree on what exactly Jesus said just before he died. We give below each gospel and their report of Jesus last utterance:

    Mark 15:34,37 (Matthew 27:46,50)
    And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?”-which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”…with a loud cry Jesus breathed his last.

    Luke 23:46
    Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

    John 19:30
    When he had received his drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his life.

    Obviously all the above passages contradict one another. Not all of them can be true. And, as usual, all have theological reasons for putting their own version of what Jesus’ last words were. Mark’s source was the book of Psalms:

    Psalms 22:1
    My god, My God why have you forsaken me?
    Luke’s source was another verse from the same book:

    Psalms 31:5
    Into your hands I commit my spirit; you have redeemed me, O Lord, faithful God.

    John’s version is in keeping with his portrayal of Jesus throughout the passion-his savior was triumphant. So just as he triumphantly carried the cross himself, he now exclaims the final accomplishment of his mission. As usual none of these accounts have any valid claims to historicity.

    1. “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” This interesting quote has been examined extensively. Here is but one example:

      Other sources say that Jesus was referring to being abandoned by his followers or the Jewish people, which makes sense as well. My research points to the idea that Jesus was bred specifically by the Essene for his oppositional role to the Temple. This would be in keeping with the quote from the above website, “My God, My God for this I was kept” [this was My destiny-I was born for this]. Whether Jesus actually said this is another matter, but the fact that it is included in the book points to the idea the apostles knew the real reasons and forces behind Jesus and his ministry.

      It should be remembered that there are no direct references to Jesus’ actual words. The gospel writers recorded his teachings many years after his death, so any precise translation remains suspect from the beginning. What does survive however is the spirit of his words. In spirit, Jesus’ teachings mirror the teachings of all the great sages and teachers of the ages. Because of the similarity, many people think Jesus’ teachings were based on Hindu beliefs. What is not taken into account is how many other teachers with no connection to Jesus, Buddha for example, had much the same philosophy about life’s purpose and meaning. The Essene teachings are much like those later espoused by the Sufis.

      For me Christianity represents a dead end. Christianity describes the problem, but offers no solution outside believing in Jesus, which makes Christianity little more than a personality cult. No doubt Jesus would have been appalled at the idea of being worshiped, as no great teacher ever seeks personal recognition and adulation. Such aspects are indicative of the “false teacher.”

      My research has led me to the conclusion that “salvation,” a misnomer in itself, does not come easily and certainly is not gained simply by accepting an individual as one’s chosen savior. “Enlightenment” is perhaps a more accurate term, although the New Agers have diluted this term to the point of uselessness as well. However, the idea of returning to the source through the process of “polishing the soul” to perfection by means of an experiential seeking of truth, remains valid.

      Contrary to the Christian’s fundamental belief in the simplistic “salvation” provided by baptism and belief, “enlightenment” is the most difficult process one will ever undertake. The “polishing” process takes many lifetimes to complete and eventually leads one not to belief, but to truth – sans one’s emotional interpretation or preconception of it. Teachers throughout the ages have all alluded to the immense difficulty and danger inherent in this ongoing process.

      The pious Christian will say salvation is the greatest “gift” to mankind. It makes no sense that a simple belief in a specific personality could deliver such a “gift.” Experience shows that anything of real value gained in this life requires effort, and in keeping with certain cosmic laws, the greater the value, the greater effort required. For example, take the “gift” of intellectual development. It takes time and effort to develop the intellect. The greater the intellect, the more time it has taken to develop. Even mundane pursuits, like an advanced academic degree, prove this out. More advanced degrees require more time and effort. Only Christians maintain the idea of a something-for-nothing salvation scheme. This calls to mind the old saying, “If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.”

      As for the Old Testament, I am inclined to accept the Essene claim, the laws and stories of the Tanakh are corruptions of the original teachings. These stories were created for no other purpose than to enrich a ruling class of priests. My view on this is supported by various facts, one of them being the basic nature of the Jew and their lascivious, avaricious culture. Then too the stories themselves inexorably point to this conclusion. After all, Abram, head patriarch in the Tanakh, is both a liar and extortionist. What “god” would not only condone, but invent and support such criminal behavior?

      Then there is the first and second Decalogue. In a fit of anger Moses smashes “God’s” laws written in stone. God soon replaces these basic laws with a new set, little more than legal minutiae, obviously designed to profit a priesthood. This is an obvious metaphor to the events that led to replacing the original teachings with the priest’s corrupt version.

      If one is seeking the path to spiritual progress, an excellent movie that provides one man’s example of seeking the truth can be found in the movie “Meetings with Remarkable Men” the autobiography of G.I. Gurdjieff. Note well the Russian prince’s lifelong efforts at searching for enlightenment. This story provides an excellent example of just what is required by those with a true desire to embark upon “the path”. By the way, Idris Shah identifies the Sarmoun brotherhood as a Sufi sect in his book “The Sufis.”

    2. S. A.

      He said them all as he was dying. The writers selected the words to fit their respective Gospels and audience. They did not give a play by play – minute by minute- report.

      The early church obviously recognized this, made no corrections, but left the Gospels as they were. Each Gospel was written to a different audience:

      Matthew to the Jew
      Mark to the Roman
      Luke to the Greek ( universal Gospel ?)
      John is the Theological Gospel

  11. Does not the concept of hell taught to impressionable young minds induce lifelong fear? Does not religion, produced and practiced by man, seek the utter slavery of heart, mind and soul of the individual? I, myself want to live and I disdain the anagram, or rather, antithesis of (to) live which, when spelt backwards is “evil. How about “lived”. Spell it backwards. I wish I had more time to expound but this is only my opinion.
    Is the God of the OT truly God? Or is this God a collected (hate to use this term) “ego” of men seeking to control other men.
    Rising above “self” assures a fulfilling life. Treat others the way you yourself want to be treated. Where did I learn that? It was written in, and upon, my heart. As for the OT yes there are “gems” to be found but I find it to be quite disturbing the older I become.
    But now, as in Ecclesiastes, I find myself like a child and it all due to “LOVE”. My loving wife died and what a loss! But yet, I mourned and “grew” and a year later a woman, whom I knew before my wife, from 30+ years ago re-appeared in my life! True Love – for in each of our hearts we kept each others love – and this reunion has given all of my 58 years of my life upon this Earth meaning. And I know in my heart that my deceased love, my wife, smiles upon us!

  12. LASHA

    I read your response on the OT.

    I do not appreciate you slandering people like me as “conspiracy theorists” and “crack pots” and thus I am sending this to you and posting it on DM and then I will return to my previous stance of boycotting Darkmoon for its discriminatory practices.

    First, what your detractor doesn’t realize is that the OT has layers of interpretation (and all of them are important and valid) and that there is a HUGE difference between the fraud Jewish Masoretic texts invented around 900 AD that is interpreted through a Talmudic lens and that of the authentic Greek Septuagint that was directly translated into Greek by northern tribal Israelite Greeks and southern tribal Judaite Priests just before the remnant of the 3 tribes of Judah and the first line of the house of David was carried away to Babylon after the 12 tribes were carried away to Medes (modern Iraq/Iran) by the Assyrians.

    Secondly, the OT (Septuagint) “is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness” according to Timothy

    Thirdly, it is a historical record of the WHITE RACE.

    Fourth, in the Septuagint, the understanding of the OLD CONTRACT (that wasn’t perfect) is to be found that shows one of the major reasons why a NEW CONTRACT had to be made to save the white race (real Israelites/Judaites). We are under the NEW contract, not the old.

    You said

    “They would like to tear the Old Testament out of the Bible and trample upon it, holding on to the New Testament grimly. These are the Christians—and we have met them repeatedly in these columns—who insist that Jesus was not a Jew. ”

    Really? I know Jesus wasn’t an impostor Esau “Jew” and I certainly don’t want to “tear the old testament out of the bible”

    The so called “Jews” admit it them-self

    The 1925 Encyclopedia Judaica states “Edom (Esau) is modern Jewry”

    The Encyclopedia Judaica 1971, Volume 10:23 proclaims “The Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelis in 1860”

    The 1980 Jewish Almanac p.3 states “strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew

    Here are 3, count them 3 Roman secular records that attest to Jesus’ physical appearance as a WHITE MAN with blue/grey eyes, blond/red hair with white skin that TANS in the sun. It also describes his detractors as having black hair, eyes with tawny colored (orangish/brown) skin.

    The so called Jews are IMPOSTORS

    “In the King James Version, the Greek word which is translated as ‘Jews’ is, in Strong’s Concordance, the word (2453) Ioudaios, meaning “belonging to the tribe of Judah,” and the word (2455) Ioudas, meaning the posterity of Judah. Interestingly, there is a related word, word number 2451, Ioudaikos, which is translated as “resembling a Judean, Jewish.” To “resemble” someone is not the same as being someone. One who resembles can easily impersonate the real thing. Since we must always distinguish between the real thing and something which resembles the real thing, we must have different words for these objects. Unfortunately, the word ‘Jews’ has been used for both groups.”

    To further prove Jesus and Israelites are WHITE people. R1b marker is ONLY found in whites/European peoples. It has been traced by atheistic archeologists from ancient Egypt (R1b is Tut’s genetic marker) to Palestine to Medes (where the 12 tribes were deposited) through the CAUCASIAN MOUNTAINS into Europe proper. The WHITE genetic Marker R1b is the ONLY genetic marker that can claim the EXACT trek of the 12 tribes from Egypt to Palestine to Medes and it just so happens that these people flooded into Europe through the CAUCASION MOUNTAINS at a gate called “Israels pass”. The so called Jews (who’s genetic marker you showed in an article on your site) can’t make this claim and nor can ANYONE ELSE, so why do you demonize people who speak the truth of Jesus’ and the 12 tribes racial make-up when you say youre defending the OT?

    Why are you people so damn anti white? If you’re going to respond, respond to the GENETIC EVIDENCE, the FACTS I have presented not with the typical emotionally driven anti white rhetoric which is so typical here.

    1. Ty-Ranter –
      You keep lying about a boycott here…. You have done it numerous times over the last year.

      Grow up, preacher.

      Keeping your word is a sign of maturity.



        Go f-ck yourself you little pussy. I’m not going to allow (like GD tried to do lately) biblically ignorant people in service of the fake Jew to demonize and slander the white race who hail from the authentic 12 tribes of Israel. GD’s article (evangelical treason rips America) slanders, demonizes and tries to marginalize the white race, reenforcing the fake Jews identify theft. This rag of an article was written by non other than AC who is the son of JC, the legal cousel and strategist for the Boycott against Nazi Germany carried on by the American Jewish Congress in the 1930s. He is a self described “progressive” which is another word for Communist (The Jews admitted it saying they would take over America under this label as well as the “liberal” label) who’s end goal is Jewish Zionist control of the world out of “Israel” as they institute a world Government there that these fake Jews control exclusively based on their race. GD also admitted to me personally that he got all most of his info from another “Jew” named “MW”. No, these Jews wouldn’t, couldn’t possibly be LYING to protect their identify theft now would they. How f-cking doltish of you!

        The so called “Jews” claim to Palestine is based on biblical law. It’s called the law of return. They claim that they are the physical descendents of the 12 tribes of Israel which is a baldfaced LIE and they know it. Why the hell do you think part Jew and admitted Moslem Obama is going after “Sovereign Citizens”? First, there is no such thing. There are only American Nationals, State Citizens and US Citizens (plus dual citizen traitors in America mostly Jewish and “Israeli”). Those they slander as “Sovereign Citizens” are “We the People” the master sovereigns of America’s mainland and they know, as I do, that we are the tribe of Manassah (mainly and nationally speaking) and they also know it is the destiny of the white race (authentic Israelites of Jacob) to not only rid America of all it’s traitors and invaders but it is also our destiney to take over the fake JWO out of Israel instituting our version of the Nuremberg trials to free ALL humanity from these impostors from Esau and ashkenaz relentless evil.

        See, we the people know the difference between the law of our land (Common/Natural/Christian law) and these Babylonian economic legal fictions often referred to as UCC codes. They know they we have the law that trumps not only their legal fictions but we also have the law source (Greek NT/OT) that is going to blow away their claim to Palestine and Zion (meaning world Government).

        Since the “Jew” bases it’s claim on biblical law, we have to challenge that claim on biblical law out of an international Common law Court. if we are to expose and depose these mass murdering psychos, we cannot be attacking the authentic ethnic identity of the white race for in doing so you SIDE WITH THE JEWS Pat, so excuse me if I found that coming in here to briefly set the record straight was more important than my boycott you f-cking retard.

        I’m out….

        OH yea, I noticed you couldn’t challenge the evidence, but what else should we expect from a little back stabbing, jew dupe and pussy like you who has no intelligent retort.

      2. Ty-Ranter – The Parson –

        Nice talk for a Christian. You have such a way with words, parson.

        You lied again…still!! Just like last year.

        YOU are sooo easy to set off…. Not challenging anymore.

        Keep-a-preachin’ & cussin’ sonny… You will catch up one day, my boy. 🙂

      3. I get so sick of this superior attitude, be it the “chosen”, the “whites” or whatever..

  13. The story of Jesus Christ in the New Testament and other Christian texts is demonstrably fictional, it was created in order to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion. In doing so, the Church forged hundreds of texts, which were constantly reworked, mutilated and interpolated over the centuries.

    In its quest to establish a religion to gain power and wealth, the Church forgery mill did not limit itself to mere writings but for centuries cranked out thousands of phony “relics” of its “Lord,” “Apostles” and “Saints.” Although true believers keep attempting to prove otherwise, through one implausible theory after another, the Shroud of Turin is counted among this group of frauds.

    Look up “The Forged Origins of The New Testament” in a search engine of your choice.

    There were over forty gospels written and only four, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, were voted into the Canon at the Council of Nicaea in 325AD/CE.
    The earliest found gospels were all found to be written in Greek and not in the native language(s), Aramaic/Hebrew, of the area and era of the purported events in the gospel story.

    The four gospels selected to be in the Canon contradict one another in a variety of places.

    According to the purported events in story of Jesus, Jesus was tried and executed by a Roman official (Pontius Pilate) for treason against the state of Rome. This was a political crime, not a religious one, and Jesus received the punishment specifically reserved for treason under Roman law.

    There is considerable information about Pilate from several non-Biblical sources. These sources consistently describe Pilate as a stern government official who frequently demonstrated his toughness in dealing with the Jews. On several occasions, he instituted actions designed to intimidate both the Jewish population and its leadership in order to illustrate his power and assert his authority. It is highly unlikely that Pilate would have been pressured by the Jewish authorities into convicting Jesus of sedition if he did not believe that Jesus was guilty.

    The story of Pilate releasing Barabbas instead of Jesus is also unrealistic. No evidence exists of a custom of releasing one Jewish prisoner during the Passover, other than its mention in the New Testament. Not even Josephus, the principal Jewish historian of the day, mentions it. Indeed, it is highly unlikely that Rome would have followed such a practice in the most rebellious province in its empire (or in any other province, for that matter). The Roman government releasing a Jewish prisoner who had murdered Roman soldiers during an insurrection as a Passover gesture would be comparable to the Israeli government releasing a Hamas or Abu Nidal terrorists during Ramadan, or to the British government releasing an IRA terrorist on St. Patrick’s Day.

    Mark presents Pilate, a Roman governor, not only as criminally weak in his failure to do justice, but as a fool beyond belief. …To have offered the people such a choice …(Jesus or Barabbas)… with the intention of saving Jesus, was the act of an idiot.” Given the political climate at the time, the Jews would have clearly preferred to free a Jewish nationalist, such as Barabbas, rather than a man who the gospels claim said “Love the Romans” and “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s …

    Finally, if Pilate undertook such an action independently, he would have had to answer to his superiors. If Jesus was, in fact, preaching a philosophy of peace towards the Romans while Barabbas was killing Roman soldiers, Pilate would have put himself in grave jeopardy by releasing Barabbas and executing Jesus. He would likely have found himself convicted of treason and crucified.

    There’s more than enough contradicting and inconsistent material to question the historicity of an actual Jesus Christ as described in the Bible.

  14. ‘In Defense of the Old Testament’. Truth can’t be kept back like a lion (Spurgeon said that…) Yeah, ‘Scripture is like a lion. Who ever heard of defending a lion? Just turn it loose; it will defend itself.’ Oh Lasha, happiness to my soul m’dear. Music – I hear Bach. Your testimony like the many we’ve read – unspeakable ‘now moments’ that connect, romance. God.

    On: ‘…with reverence and respect?’ And devotion ah ha. They might just… believe and have good reason and evidence and ‘now moments’ to look ‘evil and dangerous’ to the enemy and this, is the point. What could those who pray and surrender all to Christ achieve?

    And on, Jesus: male, middle-class, Jewish, calling similar disciples (and women – hidden in plain sight) – all tactics. What else could God do?

    Mohamed (Mark’s mate) just turned up. Would like to say a word: ‘I’m from Morocco and when the Romans were persecuting Jews, they all came to Morocco in the 1500’s established themselves in th Moorish empire and we are Andalusian. When the crusaders, Spanish Queen Isabella and Richard the Conqueror, invaded Spain they all came to Morocco, where we live and love them. We live in harmony with them’ – Moh.

    Thanks bro.

    One love to Lasha and Jon


    1. Thanks to Pat n all. ‘Judean’ is more accurate.

      On John 19.2.
      I like Young’s Literal Translation. The chief priests of the Jews said, therefore, to Pilate, `Write not — The king of the Jews, but that one said, I am king of the Jews;’.

      I’d like to say, I’m listening to one the greatest interviews I’ve ever heard. Richie Allen and Alex Jones. And his monologue beginning the second hour. And Richie Allen. Wonder if they talk Hampstead? They are going deep and clear on child abuse. What talking. What light. And Hope.


      1. Talking Hampstead.
        Bless you Richie. Well mentioned and darn… the break.
        Lasha and crew. Please let’s all be together – as far as poss.
        Mark x

  15. “The easiest way out of this morass is to become a nihilist and believe in nothing.”

    NO !!
    I beg to differ with the writings of Lasha Darkmoon. The exact opposite of what LD says is true !!! The only logical result of holding fast to the teachings of the Old Testament is the exact_same_kind of Abusive Nihilism that the jews of Israel are famous for displaying. Lasha is guilty of picking and choosing little “nuggets of goodness” while utterly ignoring the CONTEXT of the Old Testament !! “CHOSEN TRIBALISM” IS THE PRIMARY CONCEPT THAT’S IMPARTED BY THE JEWISH BIBLE A.K.A. THE OLD TESTAMENT. If you accept the CONTEXT then you basically have no other choice but to accept the idea that a certain tribe was “chosen” to destroy the planet earth and all of the other tribes that reside therein. The solution to this apparent quandary imo is to simply discard the % 99.99 percent of the Old Testament WHICH IS TOTAL RUBBISH while holding onto the remaining 00.01 % percent that may POSSIBLY have a small amount of redeeming value. OH – and let’s not forget that the New Testament was deliberately altered over the course of many centuries so as to make it conform as closely as possible with the supremacist whims of the Ancient Jewish Death Cult !!

  16. It’s important to point out that the rabbinical councils are adhering to both the LETTER and the SPIRIT of the Old Testament as they go about the Holy Task of waging a War of Nihilistic Annihilation against the “non chosen.” Is everybody too blind to see that ?? It’s truly amazing how some message posters are constantly belly-aching about the plight of the Palestinians and the Iraqis, etc., and yet they insist on ignoring the VERY SOURCE of this horrendous abuse, which is the Old Testament.

  17. What/WHO is the word of God? The bible, especially the old testament? Which is often misused as a jewish communist and therfore intrinsic atheist party book for the jews? What is the word of God? The untermayer/scofield bible infiltrated with jewish zionist national rassist footnotes often bigger than the bible text? What is the word of God, the bible who is used as a party book for satan omitting JESUS, verses , in modern translations, whereby the jews, first mentioned @ about page >500 in the bible when the king israel fought against the king of the jews?

    JESUS CHRIST alone is the WORD OF GOD and not the misused,misinterpreted and “every individial have its own truth/view” of the bible and truth..

    The bible tells us WHO is the WORD of GOD!
    JOHN 1:1-5
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    Replace “the Word” with JESUS CHRIST .

    Now do it again with “the bible”..


    1. John 5:7
    For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    1. The word of God?

      I say: Mathematics, physics, and genetics are the real word of God.

      There may be nuggets of poetry in the so-called Bible, but those parts were plagiarized from more poetic peoples than the Jews. The rest is insane nonsense, insane hatefulness, or insanely overblown reactions against the same. Not for us, not of us, not noble, not Aryan.

      1. Since EInstein was a plagiator and a racist all scientist after him are responsible of being part of the jewish deceiption and arrested developement in favor for the jews and their talmud ethic and misanthropic world view of racism, slavery and alchemy of an en sof of nothingness.

  18. The sons of Israel….
    John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. “

    1. As for the OT – I’m no expert. However based on countless sources and analysis, the OT is not a unified book, while the NT is. Many parts of the OT are simply stolen from other cultures and literatures. (Songs of Salomon, Proverbs etc.) It is one thing to appreciate it as literature (and than, no matter who wrote it) or accept it as the word of God.

    2. Catholic is NOT equal with Christian. Many early Christians did not accept the OT either. So whatever the canons, synods added to the Bible not to be taken granted as truth and without an evil purpose. The institutionalized “faith” of Jews and Catholics are happily made the connection in order to preserve the “upper” hand on the story. These “cross references were added much later, analyzing them would take another book to see all the errors. Connecting the OT with the NT is the first and largest “international” scam and until these two documents are finally and inevitably separated, the Christians are harboring and covering for the serpent on their bosom.

    3. The NT is full, complete without the OT for believers of God the Father and his son, Jesus Christ. The Father of Christ is God. God sent Him and God is one with him.
    Matthew 16: 13-15 “….Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
    Mark 1:1 “…the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
    John chapter 5 – talks about this also extensively.

    4. The only link between the OT and NT is the so called lineage to David. But Christ is NOT from any earthly lineage. His father is God. Father/Son/Holy spirit existed a long time before the evil king David.
    Matthew 22:42-46 “… if David then call him Lord, how is he his son?”
    Luke 20: 44 “ David therefore calleth him Lord, how id he then his son?”?

    5. If Mary is not a jew, how could her husband – Joseph be a jew??? Very strange that Joseph also lived in Nazareth, Galilee, in the land of “goim”. But even if Joseph, the carpenter could have been connected to the line of king David, (king to carpenter ?) that is the story of the jew it has nothing to do with Christ.
    Mathew 1:20 “…saying Joseph thou son of David…”
    Luke 2:4-5 “….and Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth….(because he was of the house and
    lineage of David: )”

    6. Who is the evil king David anyway? Why would anyone be proud to be related to this man? 1 Samuel 25:38-43; 27:10-11; 2 Samuel 4:8-9; chapter 8; 10:3; 11; 15:12–31 and more…

    7. God the Creator is not changing face or direction throughout the ages. The “Lord-God” served by the Israelites – can not be and is not the Heavenly Father of Christ. JHVH, or Adonai or whatever it’s name is, the history of hatred. To see the nature of JHVH one can read through the Old Testament. A manual of bloody instructions, a license to kill, sacrifice animals, a merciless existence.

    Deuteronomy 15:6
    “For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.”
    Deuteronomy 7:16,
    “And thou shalt consume all the peoples which the Lord thy God shall deliver unto thee; thine eye shall not pity them…20:16 “But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.”

    Many different groups lived on the land of “milk and honey”. Let’s see what happened to them. KILL:
    Numbers 21:1-3 Canaanites —– Numbers 21:24-25 Amorites
    Numbers 21:33-35 Bashan —– Numbers 31 all Midianites
    Numbers 32 more Amorites — Deuteronomy 2:32-34 People of Heshbon
    Deuteronomy 3:6 but really the whole chapter. (three score cities)
    Joshua 12 A list of victims of Israeli GENOCIDE
    Deuteronomy 7:1-5 — Deuteronomy 12:28-30
    Deuteronomy 20:11-16 and the list goes on and on….
    Deuteronomy 7:6 “For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.”

    8. The nature of God, the Father we see in the New Testament is totally different, no chosen ones, no favors, the teaching is love and care.
    Mathew 9:13; “…I will have mercy, and not sacrifice:…”
    Matthew 13:43; “Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father…”
    John 8:12-19;
    Acts 10:35; “But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”

    9. JESUS IS NOT A JEW, WAS NOT RAISED AS A JEW. Galileia and Nazareth were inhabited by the “goim” in historic times. Christ was baptized – hardly a jewish tradition. When he spoke in the synagogue, he did not teach the Torah. He was not “allowed” or welcome to teach, the jews constantly wanted to kill him.

    Mark 1:9 ……in those days that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized of John in Jordan.
    Jesus is from Galilee, can anything good come from Galilea?
    Matthew 26:69 “….Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.”
    John 7:52 “…for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.”
    John 7:41–42 “…Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
    Jesus Christ of Nazaret:
    John 1:45-46 “…Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?…”
    Acts 4:10 “Jesus Christ of Nazareth..”
    Acts 6:14 “…that this Jesus Christ of Nazareth…”
    Acts10:38 “ How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth….”

    10. Who is not Christ
    a. Jesus in NOT the jewish Messiah. (Messiah: savior or liberator of a group of people).
    b. he is NOT a jewish King —Mark 15:2; John 18:33-37; John 19:19-22;
    c. Even if he was called a “rabbi” in a few instances, he is not a rabbi in its real sense (rabbi: In Judaism, a rabbi /ˈræbaɪ/ is a teacher of Torah. This title derives from the Hebrew word רַבִּי rabi [ˈʁäbi], meaning “My Master” (irregular plural רבנים rabanim [ʁäbäˈnim]), which is the way a student would address a master of Torah. The word “master” רב rav [ˈʁäv] literally means “great one”). The teaching of Christ was alway about God, his Father. He knew the old texts, referred to them but was NOT teaching them.
    d. Jesus was NOT the teacher of Torah – John 7:30; 7:44; John 5:16
    e. Jews have nothing to do with Christ – John 7:27 – not then, not now, not ever.

    11. Did the jewish prophets talk about Christ? Well — the sons of Israel kill their prophets too, want to kill Christ, they crucified Christ and after Christ’s resurrection, relentlessly persecuted the apostles.
    Matthew 12:14 “Than the Pharisees went out and held a council against him, how they might destroy him”
    Matthew 21:46 “But when they sought to lay hands on him…”
    Matthew 23:31 “Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.”
    Matthew 26:4 “And consulted that they might take Jesus by subtilty, and kill him”
    Matthew 27:18 “ For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.”
    John 5:16-18 “And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him…”
    John 7:1 “After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.”
    John 8:37-44 “I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me…”
    The Acts also has many, many references these subjects:
    Acts 4:17-18, Acts 4:21, Acts 5:17-18, Acts 5:33-40
    Acts 6:10-13, Acts 7:52-54; Acts 7:59; Acts 8:1;
    Acts 12:1-4, Acts 13:50, Acts 14:19
    Acts 23:12-15

    12. Who really killed Christ?
    John18-40 “Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.
    Matthew 27:22 “Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.”
    Matthew 26:59 “ Now the chief priests, and the elders and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death.”
    Matthew 27: 24 “When Pilate saw…..he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. “
    Mark 14:55 “…sought for witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found none.”
    Acts 4:10 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead…”
    Acts 5:28 “….and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.”
    Acts 5:30 “…whom ye slew and hanged on a tree”
    Acts 13:28 “And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.”

    13. The sons of Israel….
    John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. “
    Mat”hew 12:34 “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?”
    Matthew 12:39 “ An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;…”
    Matthew 13:14 “..By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
    Matthew 15:7 ”Ye hypocrites….”
    Matthew 15:12-14 “ …Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
    Matthew 19:28 “…ye also shell sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
    Matthew 21:43 “…The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. “
    Matthew 23:13-36
    John 5:42 “ …But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.”
    John 8:42 “If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God….”
    John 10:26 “ But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, …”

    14. One commandment (love another) all inclusive and such, replaces the 10 commandments.

    15. Something to think about. Why would Christ say something like this? It is originally a quote from King David in Psalm 22:1. This saying is taken by some as an abandonment of the Son by the Father. Other theologians understand the cry as that of one who was truly human and who felt forsake.

    Neither Mark or Matthew could not have been close to the crucified Christ – than who put these words into the mouth of our belowed Christ? How could one forsake oneself? The Father loves the Son – they are ONE – The Father can not leave the Son nor can he forsake him (John 3:35; John 5:20-21; Matthew 16:27; Matthew 17:5) Christ and the Father is one, even when Christ was on earth in a human form. So – how is that possible???

    Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? (Mathew 27:46)
    Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? (MARK 15:34) My God, My God, why thou forsaken me?

    If Christ said anything similar like it at all, could it be something similar?
    Meaning: My God, My God, lift up to eternity the wounded one.

    We’ll find the meaning of these words in the faith in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.

    1. @ Am

      Eli!Eli! Lama sabaktani…

      What is Tat-Nim? Is it Aramaic? I am interested to know. Meanwhile,

      ‘Lama sabaktani’ probably does mean: why have you forsaken me? All Semitic languages having similarities, it sounds very much like the Arabic (Egyptian dialect as far as I remember) ‘Lay sabetni?’ which means exactly ‘why did you abandon me?’

      Why did he have to feel abandoned by God? I don’t know. We could ask a priest for the official explanation. But we can guess –

      The human life of Jesus is meant as an example to us. The whole Passion and crucifixion was part of it. As a human about to die, torn apart on the cross, humiliated, abandoned by all those who praised and admired him, he goes through the torment of feeling abandoned by God, meaning losing all, and nothing to hold onto (as we might feel on our deathbed), followed by complete surrender to His will. A lesson for us.

      All this can be explained differently, particularly from the perspective of Advaita-Vedanta. But out of our scope.

    2. @ AM

      I know you mean well, but I find you play a little the scriptures.

      You say:

      Neither Mark or Matthew could not have been close to the crucified Christ – than (then) who put these words into the mouth of our belowed (beloved) Christ?

      The gospel says:

      “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, Eli, Eli, lama sabactani?” (Mark 15,34)

      Obviously if he cried out in a loud voice, he wasn’t whispering, so he didn’t need a loudspeaker.

      “Eli, Eli, lama sabactani” are the first verse of Psalm 22. “In your hands I remit my spirit” are verse 6 of Psalm 31. Is it a coincidence? I doubt it.

      1. The author of both books could have placed them there anytime…even James’s writers, on their own. Coincidences abound…too many places or me.

        Psalms was copied in the NT again:

        Psalms 41:10
        Even my trusted friend, who ate my bread, has raised his heel against me.

        John 13:18
        I am not speaking of all of you. I know those whom I have chosen.
        But so that the scripture might be fulfilled, ‘The one who ate my food has raised his heel against me.’

      2. @ Pat

        Yes Pat, good point. Then the whole New Testament could be a fraud like, say, the Old Testament. Some also say Jesus never existed, thinking they have … nailed us with the argument. Are we to argue with them indefinitely? Jesus, Ram, Krishna, Buddha, are in our heart. We just have to dive within, recoil (expressions not from me), and we find what has always been there.

      3. @ Pat

        As thoughts settle, I see new facets to your comment.

        If we are able to remember parts of the gospels and psalms, it is obvious Jesus could at least do the same. In fact, He knew the Psalms by heart and I find it extremely likely He did make the quotes you mention, and many others. The possibility of someone planting them appears unlikely to me.

        Yes, we are in the realm of the plausible.

      4. Allenby –

        I actually prefer names, rather than my term ‘authors’ and ‘they.’
        This is also plausible. The TRUE authors of New Testament named..
        I have had this book since 1988.

        Authors of the New Testament Books from 60 to 107 CE (AD)

        The main authors of the New Testament books were Arius Calpurnius Piso(Josephus); his son, Fabius Justus; his granddaughter’s husband, Pliny the Younger; and his son, Julius.

        Following is a list of the actual authorship of each of the books of the New Testament:


        The original Mark 60 CE – Lucius Calpurnius Piso
        Matthew 70-75 – Arius Calpurnius Piso
        The present Mark 75-80 – Arius Calpurnius Piso
        Luke 85-90 – Arius Calpurnius Piso with Pliny’s help
        John 105 – Justus Calpurnius Piso
        Acts of the Apostles 96-100 – Chapters 1-15, A.C. Piso with Justus’ help; chapters 16-17, by Justus; chapters 18-28, some written by Justus, some by Pliny
        Romans 100 – Proculus Calpurnius Piso
        I Corinthians, Galatians and Ephesians 100-103 – Pliny
        II Corinthians and Ephesians 103-105 – Justus
        Colossians 106-107 – Justus with his son Julianus’ help
        I Timothy 105 – Pliny
        II Timothy 107 – Justus

        1. Pat,

          As far as I am concerned, you are either a Jew or a Useful Idiot for the Jews. Why do I say this? Because here you are citing as an authority for your disgusting and dangerous ideas a website written and financed by Jews which is intended to give the deathblow to Christianity. It is a website that puts forward the Jewish conspiracy theory that Jesus was a fictional character created by a Jew, Josephus, and various Roman writers like Pliny the Younger. There is no scientific evidence for these ridiculous Jew-generated conspiracy theories.

          You are aware that this is a Christian website. So your attempt to present the view that Jesus never existed is a direct insult to the administration of this website. I see you as little more than an emotional and spiritual cripple doing the Jew’s dirty work for him.

          I promise you this, you slimy little Jew wanker — or Useful Idiot for the Jews — your days are numbered on this website now that you have openly begun to shit on the cherished values of Lasha Darkmoon and the administration of this website. You think you can insult them to their faces, do you? Let’s see how much longer they will put up with your insolence.

          Anyone who openly states that Jesus is a fictional character and does so on this website, a Christian website, has to be a slimy little Jewish infiltrator.

          You no longer belong on this website and I promise you this: I will fight you tooth and nail to have you thrown off his website ASAP.

          I have noticed, among other things, your constant disrespect and sniping at Lobro. Now Lobro happens to be one of the best posters on this or any other website: an honest, sincere and extremely clued-up commenter whose shoes you are not fit to polish. So your constant attempt to needle Lobro and give him rudeness and disrespect, all sugar-coated with smiley faces, tells me what you are: a gutless, cowardly. Jew-influenced, spiritual cripple.

          Don’t bother to write back to me, loathsome reptile: you are now my mortal enemy.

      5. Allenby –

        A better link to site:
        The True Authorship Of The New Testament
        by Abelard Reuchlin
        Publication Date: November 1979

        The book:

        “We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was
        synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this is why we Jews are the “Chosen People” and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the lie. Our ancestors wrote what they could about this in our texts.”

        “Originally, this explanation was designed solely for Jews — for the purpose of preventing their conversion to Christianity. It was not intended for Christians nor other non-Jews. No exclusivism was intended; rather, concern for the faith of others. The purpose of this booklet was to inform Jewish-Christians and Jewish-Jews of the true account of the creation of Christianity.”

        The True Authorship of the New Testament is the first book that explains the true authorship of the New Testament. It has been advertised and sold in magazines since 1979 and no one has claimed the $1,416.19 challenge the Foundation has offered to anyone who can disprove their thesis that the Calpurnius Piso’s of Rome wrote the New Testament.

        This historically important book was written by an author who was wondering why slick former Jews were getting into the evangelism business and fleecing Christians of their money, all in the name of Jesus. His 35 year research has uncovered the whole horrible truth, namely that Christianity was created by the Calpurnius Piso’s of Rome. It is a fictional story used by the Piso’s to take over Rome, which they eventually did after 136 c.e. They also forced the Jews to insert into their religious books many of Piso’s own works to create prophecies for the coming of his fictional character, Jesus.

        If you are a Priest, Pastor or Moslem, this book, as well as the other works by this author, are a must read if you are to get a head in your respective organizations. All your top leadership know this information–why don’t you? Of course after you read all this historical proof, and we will assume you are an honest man, you can no longer, in good conscious, be a Christian.

        If you are curious about Christianity and its true authors, you must read this booklet and give it too your friends. As Pisos’ story says “the Truth shall set ye free.” Just no one thought it was free from his own story. Abelard Reuchlin has offered a $1,416.19 challenge to anyone who can disprove his theses that the Calpurnius Piso’s of Rome wrote the New Testament and created the Church. Since 1979 no one has attempted it. After you read it you will realize why. There is just too much proof the Piso’s themselves put into the gospels that point to them.

        The Name Satan
        For those Christians and Muslims that are worried about Satan, we will put your mind at ease. The name and the concept of Satan, the Devil, Lucifer etc. was created by Arius Calpurnius Piso. What’s interesting is he also played the part in the story. Click on this link and find out what he did. Explanation for the name of Satan.

        The Koran mentions Satan(s) no less then 76 times. A divinely inspired “holy book” cannot have a fictional character mentioned 76 times.

      6. Sard –

        WOW!!! Looks like I hit a nerve there. MY TURN in the barrel???

        I have noticed you seem obligated to strike out at someone about once a month. Hmmm?? I guess it is my turn. Just LAST MONTH you were bragging on me… how I say more in 10 words than TP can in 1000. Funny. 😉

        I have never criticized you. Always respectful.
        I have never disrespected the owner, admin or Lasha here. So, that is a false claim.
        I do not use the foul language of many here, either. You would do well to call them out first… this being a Christian site and all, as you claim.

        Generally… you are totally off-base and misguided.
        I do not swipe anyone who does not swipe me.
        Lobro can stand up for himself…and does so very well. He has swiped me over the months. No big deal. I respect him, and disagree on some points at the same time.

        No one has any basis to claim they know the commenters here without knowing them personally.
        Looks like everyone is a Jew here to everyone else. Some have called you a Jew. I guess that makes you one too, then.

        You howl for a reason….. and I have no clue why.
        Your spiritual therapy there in Osaka…. is not working to ease your hostility. Take more melatonin and green tea.

        Lighten up, son.

      7. @ Sardonicus

        You have my full support. I don’t like Pat one little bit and never have. He is an insolent sonofabitch who actually thinks his position on this website is protected by the very Administration in whose faces he chooses to spit by sneering: “Ya boo, snubs to you! F**k this Christian website! Don’t you guys know that the Christ that Lasha worships is a fictional character! What a fool she must be to love and respect a man created by Josephus the Jew and a bunch of Roman wankers!”

        Well may you gloat, Skunko! But it won’t be for a long, I predict. As Sardonicus says, your days on this site are numbered, now that it is known you are either a Jew infiltrator or a Christ-hating, nihilistic non-Jew who serves a Jewish agenda in attacking Christianity.

        How much longer do you think you can go on rubbishing Christ and Christianity on a Christian website?

        Let me tell you this, Skunko. You are a mediocre poster. Most of your posts are boring, pedantic, long-winded and legalistic. Admin has no time to read or monitor comments, why is why you’ve been allowed to hold forth on this site for so long. Even Toby is a reluctant monitor and probably skips your posts, This is why you have been allowed to spread your Jewish poison and do your best to wind up Lobro and get him to leave this website in disgust at your constant sniping and cheap mockery.

        I too, like Sardonicus, have noticed your constant attempt to belittle and mock Lobro, one of the best posters we have ever had.

        I guess your think you are being funny by telling Sardonicus to increase his medication? It doesn’t work. It simply increases the contempt we all feel for you. You will do your best to salvage your ego by pretending you are universally hated and despised only because you are so brilliant and candid and courageous. By all means kid yourself that you are a martyr to truth. You are not. Frankly, you are repellent.

        Free speech has its limits. If you think you are free to preach pedophilia and sexual perversion on a Christian website, you are mistaken. In precisely the same way, you are not free to spit in the face of Jesus Christ on a Christian website.

      8. Yes, Pat, I too have been on the recieving end of nasty, foul-mouthed, so-called “christians”, seems the planet is full of them. Me? I, and many others, find your information interesting, and surely, to be informative, is a damned sight better than to be envious, and vindictive..

      9. Ingrid…thanks.

        To be fair… Sard admitted he was not himself just a while ago. He said he was taking medication.

        But it SURE make Dr Green look less than astute. I had it right. 🙂 🙂

        What Sard said later…… to Lobro:

        February 27, 2015 at 2:22 pm
        @ Lobro
        I can only speculate as to Ruth’s reason for deleting her comment. Since it consisted almost entirely of an attack on Pat, I guess she regretted her intemperate speech toward a man who in all honesty is a pretty good poster and totally sincere in all he says — though he sometimes rubs people up the wrong way.
        As for me, the reason I asked for my posts to be deleted were that they were written under the influence of a certain drug. On recovering my sobriety (i.e., normal consciousness) I blinked my eyes in disbelief at the crap I had written and asked for it to be deleted. Unfortunately, Admin (Toby) has left undeleted a long post in which I attacked Pat for saying Christ was a “fictional character”.
        I interpreted Pat’s comment, wrongly, as “a veiled attack on Lasha”.

      10. Was absent for 2 days. This is my last post, if anyone reads it.

        Why all this chattering? I was right when I said ‘Are we going to argue with them endlessly?’ The gospels are inspired by a higher power. Why? It shows from the message and the example given. Now Pat tells us who he thinks was the boss’s secretary.

        Our spirituality must be rooted in conviction by a relentless yearning and quest for God. This means practice and effort without expectation of results.

        Otherwise we end up bickering or trying to find what we decide to find, in books. Suit yourself, Pat or anyone else.

        1. @ Allenby

          “Was absent for 2 days. This is my last post, if anyone reads it.

          Don’t go, Allenby — I’ll miss you!

    1. Yes, Max! HOWEVER, the Old Testament is a road map of LIFE. In it is everything from birth to pedigrees to sex to slaughter. It maps our emotions, and graphs our actions. It relates our inequities against God’s divinity and perfection. He offers Himself for us in the New Testament. I believe it IS, absolutely, DIVINELY INSPIRED. It is up to us to decipher – not to condemn. (I trust you know this, too, as I read you.) 🙂

  19. Finally, “all ye know and all ye need to know” (John Keats) is what Matt states:
    “JESUS CHRIST alone is the WORD OF GOD and not the misused,misinterpreted and “every individial have its own truth/view” of the bible and truth.”
    John 14:16 put it SIMPLY: “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life: No man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
    Yes, read your Old Testament and its history of the desert Semites, but remember that TRUE redemption is only offered by a TOTAL belief in Jesus and His WORD.
    The FINAL WORD from me for a long time:
    II Thessalonians I:8,9: “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and obey not the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.”
    The OT is and adjunct to the New Message; but only a supplement!
    The Koran of Muhammad has NO relevance to the FINAL story of “LIFE”, which is Jesus’ WORD only.
    If you are NOT a true Christian like me, perhaps you had better find another website! (Pat????>)

    1. Mad Max

      You never cease to impress me (but leave Pat alone – he belongs here). You have the knowledge of a Bible teacher (compliment) with a libido of an American Tele Evangelist (observation). A man of contradiction (like all men).

      The OT is like a contradiction of sorts: The Word of The Holy God that explicitly/ graphically exposes the dirty laundry of Man. It pulls no punches! It tells it like it is.

      1. Thanks Leo –

        He is no real bother. I have been picking at him, and he at me….for a long while.
        ALL in fun…. just to make points.
        He has really cleaned it up this year.
        I awarded him the Outback Outhouse Award for a ‘potty-mouth’ several times last year. 😉

      1. Yeah….funny.

        It was Gary Cooper. I saw it at the ‘picture show’ when it came out c.1953. Cost a nickel extra for first showing. Total 15 cents. Dad was mad…paid 30 cents.

  20. Well it was some read and I must say I do not believe in the Fairy Books. It seems to me that only the “chosen” global terrorists can be victims,yet “they” do Genocide most days in Palestine Stolen.Strange days ahead indeed.

  21. Thanks Ms. Darkmoon, very moving. Jesus Christ not only ended his life by quoting the OT, He began his ministry by quoting the Book of Isaiah; ‘The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He anointed me to preach the Gospel to the poor…to bring good news to the afflicted…to bind up the brokenhearted…Isaiah 61

    Yet it is clear that Christians have struggled with the OT for time immemorial. I have difficulty with a lot of what is written there. At the same time we have some of the most beautiful stories in the Old Testament. Christ was the fulfillment of these age old prophecies.

  22. The international jewish tribe has but ONE (1) reason for being !!

    The jewish tribe’s “raison de’etre” was plainly expressed and articulated in the pages of the Old Testament (in the book of Ezekiel) when the jewish god made it known that his “chosen people” were put on this earth specifically for the purpose of EATING FLESH AND DRINKING BLOOD.

    Ezekiel 39:17-18
    King James Version (KJV)

    17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

    18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

  23. Here is an interesting story about Marcion, an early Christian (85-160 AD) who thought there must be two Gods. He told his followers to do away with the OT;

    “He was a native of Sinope, a predominantly Greek city and important commercial center on the south shore of the Black Sea. He lived roughly 85-160 AD, and during his lifetime he founded a church that grew astronomically in prominence, that had a powerful influence on the development of early Christianity, and which for several centuries would end up rivaling the Catholic Church. His name was Marcion. And it is worthwhile to ponder just how the world would be different today had the Marcionite Church, rather than the Catholic Church, prevailed and become the dominant strain of Christianity. For one thing, we can conjecture almost assuredly the state of Israel would never have been founded in 1948.”

  24. The following passage can be found in the “chumish” or the secondary parts of the jewish Old Testament ………..

    2 Kings 6:28
    King James Version (KJV)
    “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow.”


    1. And David ‘rent his clothes’, you asshole. (2 Kings 6:30)

      David is a ‘man after My [God’s] own heart’.

      Hard to tell what David ordered be done to the bitch – but I know what I, myself, would have done…

      1. This kind of crap simply doesn’t belong in a so-called “holy book.”

        2 Kings 6:29
        King James Version (KJV)

        “So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.”

  25. Jewish morality is plainly different from the morality of ye goyim. jews are taught by their holy torah that they are the apple of god’s eye, and in the corpus of their holy writings you are going to find the most ungodly and the most bloodthirsty prose ever assembled in printed form. Let us now wait for LD and her buddy “Madam Rat-Child” to come rushing to the defense of torah and “jewish morality” which is total anathema to all decent and kind-hearted human beings !!

    1. Save The Goyim,

      “Madam Rat-Child” ?

      I don’t get the rudeness and utter hatred on this site. Especially crass remarks toward the opposite sex. I can handle just about anything, but that.

      I dislike Zionism, and hate the violence and murder it promotes toward the Palestinians and around the world ( as if Jews are to blame for ALL of mans ills…no… ALL men are to blame for their personal sins and the roles they play in wickedness).

      Expose Zionism for what it is and who it harms ( I am with you 100%). Expose ALL evil for what it does and who it harms period. But personal attacks against women? A woman you really do not know at all, only that she is Jewish, and supposedly a Rothschild?

      God help you…your hatred lessens you.

  26. It will be interesting to see if Christopher and Lasha can actually engage in a debate. Both of them seem partial in their use and familiarity of the Old Testament. Why not delay the debate until they have read it straight through once or twice, or ten times or more?

    Lasha self-admittedly has read only those books she favors. Bjerknes chooses only those passages which might directly or indirectly support a cabalistic or Talmudic world view. A view in which World Jewry plans to take over the World and “then use this power to destroy and then exterminate the Goyim.”

    Bjerknes seems too willing to take the Talmudic interpretation of the Old Testament at face value, as if they were manifestations of the same spiritual source. He should be challenged on this point. The New Testament’s use and interpretation of the Old Testament is a coherent and powerful antidote to the Talmudic position. See for example, the Apostles use of Psalm 2 in Acts 4.23-31.

    I do think Bjerknes’ position has hardened in these matters. Today he claims “the Jewish People as a whole have always been a parasitic and poisonous plague on humanity and that they are hell-bent on exterminating the human race.” Yet in years past, in his book Saint Einstein, he wrote that, “Jews, like all humans beings, tend to integrate into the societies where they have lived. Jewish leaders have always chastised and punished assimilating Jewry with death.” “The solution to the problem is for non-Jews to recognize that the core problem is not the Jewish people in general, but rather genocidal Judaism and corrupt Jewish leadership” who would willingly sacrifice “large numbers of innocent Jews.” Does he now think of the totality of Jews as simply a plague on humanity and not human beings at all? Are there no longer “large numbers of innocent Jews?”

    Is Bjerknes hatred of the Old Testament as the foundation of the plan for world domination by the Jews reasonable? If it is, he should be able to demonstrate the unreasonableness of counter-interpretations, especially that coming from the viewpoint of Christ and the Apostles as written in the New Testament. This is the one where Jesus is the Messiah. His kingdom is not of this world, but in the world to come. Those are not Jews who are Jews outwardly, who are circumcised in the flesh, but they are Jews who are circumcised in the heart, in the spirit and not in the flesh.

    This is not a popular interpretation of the Old Testament, but it may be the only coherent and defensible one. One in which you can still love your enemies and yet remain free to severely rebuke them as Jesus did with unparalleled intensity as recorded in Matthew 23.

  27. Ms Darkmoon,

    Well done. But too brief…you left me wanting more. Common sense always trumps vitriol.

    I have not thoroughly read all of the posts, but one thing that seems to be a theme (for some) is that Moses stole/borrowed from primative sources (something like that)… therefore the Pentatuch/Bible must be rejected (forgive me if I miss understood your posts). As Christian philosophers have stated “All truth is God’s truth”. This is totally reasonable if God exists (and He does). If God chose Moses to be the human vessel to reveal his “Word” to the world, could Moses not be His filter as well, drawing upon earlier pagan sources and correcting them? In no way does this negate the validity of his works as inspired by God. St. Paul quoted pagan poets in the NT. St. John borrowed the Term “Logos” from the Greeks in his Gospel. The early church did not try to hide these facts or run away from them.

    To be or not to be Jewish seems to be the question for Jesus with agenda driven people. Did Jesus not tell the woman at the well that salvation is of the Jews (refering to himself)?

  28. Darkmoon: “I realize only too well that I have already lost this debate in advance—on this site anyway—and that few of my regular readers are likely to sympathize with my views on the Old Testament.” …

    “there are millions of Christians out there who are so anti-Semitic that they would like nothing to do with the Old Testament.” …

    “I don’t wish to enter into argument with these crackpot conspiracy theorists. Cosily ensconced in a delusional cocoon of their own, they are impervious to logic as well as historical fact.” …

    “All I can say is this. If any Jew-bashing Old Testament hater can see anything wicked in the words of Ecclesiastes that I have just quoted, let him step forward and point out the wickedness and where it lies. I challenge him to do this. If he cannot, let him have the decency to hang his head in shame and try to acquire the rudiments of humility.” …

    Has her re-examination of the Old Testament for this essay put Darkmoon into temporary “anti-Semite”-hating, Judeophile/Jew-stooge trance?

    If that’s the effect it has even on someone as otherwise deeply anti-Jewish as Darkmoon, perhaps the Old Testament is more dangerous to the interests of the Gentiles than even Bjerknes believes it to be.

    Try to keep in mind, today’s Jews have about as much in common with whoever it was that wrote the best passages from the Old Testament as, say, the neocons have with America’s founding fathers… which is to say, they’re parasites upon the good works of others in order to co-opt the moral authority of history for their own misanthropic, evil agenda.

    Jesus of Nazareth saw straight through them, as should we all.

    1. @ Sematrix

      Thank you. This is an exceptionally astute comment. I quote again for our readers:

      “If that’s the effect it has even on someone as otherwise deeply anti-Jewish as Darkmoon, perhaps the Old Testament is more dangerous to the interests of the Gentiles than even Bjerknes believes it to be.

      Try to keep in mind, today’s Jews have about as much in common with whoever it was that wrote the best passages from the Old Testament as, say, the neocons have with America’s founding fathers… which is to say, they’re parasites upon the good works of others in order to co-opt the moral authority of history for their own misanthropic, evil agenda.

      Jesus of Nazareth saw straight through them, as should we all.”

      There’s nothing you have said here that Lasha herself has not said before in different words. Her liking of certain Old Testaments books in no way means she has suddenly done a U-turn and become a philosemite or an apologist for Jewish crimes over the centuries!

      Your point about today’s Jews having nothing in common with the Jews who wrote the best bits in the Old Testament is a very apt one. As Lasha has pointed out several times before, the modern Greeks may be descended from the Ancient Greeks but in no way could any Greek living today be capable of writing the works of Plato and Aristotle. Nor could any Englishman living today produce the works of Shakespeare.

      For all practical purposes, the Ashkenazi Jews who rule America and make up much of the population of Israel are Khazars — a far cry from the prophets of the Old Testament such as Isaiah and Job. Still less do these latter-day “Jews” have in common with Jesus of Nazareth who was an Essene and had rejected the false teachings of the Pharisees.

      The fact that Jesus should be so hated by the average Jew today, and treated with such savage contempt by the Talmud, says it all. Lasha would be the first to say that, although Jesus was technically a Jew, he was also the quintessential ANTI-JEW.

      I hope this satisfies Lasha’s critics: her belief that, although Jesus is technically a Jew, he is also in a deeper sense the ULTIMATE ANTI-JEW.

      1. @ Montecristo

        To say “although Jesus was technically a Jew, he was also a quintessential ANTI-JEW” makes Christ sound like the smirking JDL vaudeville monkey jew nappy natty who was NEVER even baptized into the Christian faith — let alone is the simian sheenie JDL poseur a “Christian” “priest”. The show business monkey hebe from the Bronx Zoo is not even a Christian layman. My skin crawls and my stomach turns with your description of Christ, Oh “Mount of Christ”. Who knows? Maybe Jesus was a Mohammedan : Judging only by “Catholic” Lasha’s Mohammedan burqa out-fit, one concludes Jesus was a Mohammedan.

        You’re related to Lasha, Monte, and you bear the name, “Mount of Christ” [ so I assume you’re a “Catholic” like Lasha is a “Catholic”. A “Catholic” family, lol ] : What do you who have the name “Mount of Christ” and others in your and Lasha’s family think about your “Catholic” relative Lasha always dressed in Mohammedan religious garb? If Jesus was a jew as you assert, why then would Lasha who claims to be a follower of Jesus the jew wear the religious garb of Mohammedanism?

        I need some Pepto-Bismol desperately — the sooner the better or I will puke.

      2. The word “Jew” doesn’t appear in any lexicon until after 1700AD

        The Children of Israel have never been “Jews”.

        The Old Testament is not about “Jewish” people or “Jews”.

        or does someone have a polaroid of a
        NIGGER { DALLAS COWBOY} fornicating with a white whore
        & snorting COCAINE at the Alamo in March of 1836 ?

        It’s the language – Zephaniah 3:9 !!

    2. Maybe someone ought to set us unwashed masses of slobbering antisemites straight on these subtle distinctions.

      You or rather, yooz (you +Lasha and a bunch of others) claim in essence that the Old Testament is a Siamese union of a Word of God, the universal lord of creation, infinite love and compassion and his antithesis, the rebel G*d wannabe who seeks to reduce creation to chaos of evil, disease and suffering, the divine baby drank the putrid bathwater.

      And you have the key to alchemical process whereby the pure chocolate is separated from fecal matter comprising the current meltdown.
      Along with historical evidence of when and how the contaminants were stirred into the slop.

      And how the resulting content substantially improves the New Testament, adding wisdom that Jesus didn’t bother or forgot to mention.

      If I had this conviction, I would make it my life’s work to present the unified product to the masses yearning to be free of antisemitism.

  29. RON
    February 25, 2015 at 1:54 am

    “Is Bjerknes hatred of the Old Testament as the foundation of the plan for world domination by the Jews reasonable?”

    The jewish leadership undoubtedly sees itself in the light of the “chosen” role that’s outlined in the torah. And to the extent that the jewish tribe continues to exert undue influence in virtually ALL aspects of life such as government and newsmedia and education and law and medicine, etc. – and ALWAYS to the detriment of goyim – the answer to your question simply has got to be a resounding YES in light of the fact that the torah is essentially a chronicle of favoritism that excludes goyim. IF the torah is true then it follows that the lives of goyim have absolutely no value whatsoever, since only “the chosen” have any value in the eyes of the jewish god. In the epistles of Paul the lives of goyim are placed on an even keel with the lives of the “chosen.” Do you want me to post reams of scripture for you ???

    1. I wouldn’t want you to post reams of scripture, but if you had one or two passages to illustrate your point about Paul’s epistles? Also I am not sure where we stand relative to one another without knowing how you define the word Torah?

      1. Ephesians 2 King James Version (KJV)

        11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

        12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

        13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

        14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

        15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

        16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

        17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

        18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

        19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

        20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

        21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

        22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

  30. For those who follow both Christianity and Islam I would like pose the following for consideration. In view of the corruption of all religious institutions nowadays to whom do you offer your loyalty? For a Christian, the church as an organization or God? For a Muslim, Islam or Allah?
    Let us exam one verse from the Sermon on the Mount.
    “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall KNOW God.” Now if someone knows God what need does he have for Christianity or any organized religion? Believe me, this is true of all the great Christian mystics, St. John of the Cross, Dame Julian of Norwich (she spoke about the motherhood of God), Theresa of Avila, et al. Many regard the Sermon as a series of platitudes. They are not! The same applies to the Pirs of Islam, Ibn el Arabi comes to mind.
    Both Christians and Muslims can realise God right now!
    Now the Buddha acknowledged that Dhamma(Dharma or Buddhist teaching) would disappear when he prophesied of the next Buddha to come in about 2,500 years from now. It is the impermanence of all things that are born, created, originated and formed. I can certainly see the prophecy being fulfilled before eyes. Every day one hears of scandals in the monkhood. The same applies to Christianity and Islam. So in the face of such spiritual wickedness to whom does one offer loyalty?

  31. It was a TALMUDIC mockery by the people who killed him –

    Matthew 27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

    1. NS –
      This is a great example of how just – ONE WORD – ‘accusation” – sets the whole context of the story….any story.

      When just ONE WORD is translated incorrectly, the story changes.

      Criminals change words constantly.

    2. The Aramaic version, the supposed language of Jesus, and a Judean, is the only one which correctly uses the term from supposed proper Aramaic translation, JUDEAN:

      Aramaic Bible in Plain English
      And they placed over his head the cause of his death in writing: “This is Yeshua the King of the Judeans.”

      New International Version
      Above his head they placed the written charge against him: this is jesus, the king of the jews.

      New Living Translation
      A sign was fastened above Jesus’ head, announcing the charge against him. It read: “This is Jesus, the King of the Jews.”

    3. New Song

      Didn’t Pilate write this title, “Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews?”

      Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, “The King of the Jews;” but that “he said, I am the King of the Jews.” John 19.21

      1. Ron –

        You can take your pick, depending on which translation – guess – you like:

        New International Version
        The chief priests of the Jews protested to Pilate, “Do not write ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that this man claimed to be king of the Jews.”

        New Living Translation
        Then the leading priests objected and said to Pilate, “Change it from ‘The King of the Jews’ to ‘He said, I am King of the Jews.'”

        English Standard Version
        So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but rather, ‘This man said, I am King of the Jews.’”

        New American Standard Bible
        So the chief priests of the Jews were saying to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews’; but that He said, ‘I am King of the Jews.'”

        King James Bible
        Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.

        Holman Christian Standard Bible
        So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Don’t write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that He said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.'”

        International Standard Version
        Then the Jewish high priests told Pilate, “Don’t write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but that this fellow said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.'”

        NET Bible
        Then the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The king of the Jews,’ but rather, ‘This man said, I am king of the Jews.'”

        Aramaic Bible in Plain English
        And the Chief Priests said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘He is The King of the Judeans’, but, “He said, ‘I am The King of the Judeans.’”

  32. The word of God?

    I say: Mathematics, physics, and genetics are the real word of God.

    There may be nuggets of poetry in the so-called Bible, but those parts were plagiarized from more poetic peoples than the Jews. The rest is insane nonsense, insane hatefulness, or insanely overblown reactions against the same. Not for us, not of us, not noble, not Aryan.

    1. Bull.. Here is some real enlightment for you.

      Einstein was a serial, psychopathic plagiarist. Einstein’s plagiarism has been conclusively proven beyond doubt. (here) Indeed, Einstein’s “Theory of Relativity” as well as his famous equation (E=Mc2), were actually published before Einstein claimed credit for them.

      Einstein’s “discoveries”, stolen as they were, are still disputed to this day. Einstein himself expressed some doubts about his “theories”. Though it is beyond the scope of this author to evaluate theories of physics, the fact that a minority of physicists continue to passionately insist that Einstein’s ideas are false, is very intriguing. We wonder, for every one outspoken critic of Einstein, how many more scientists hold the very same doubts but are too intimidated to express them. Of even greater interest is the fact that the scientific doubters are often childishly ridiculed, but never openly debated. Hmmm.


      “Einstein is a beggar dressed in purple clothes and made king using dazzling mathematics that obscure truth”…

      “Relativity is a massive deception wrapped in a beautiful mathematical cloak.”

      “The theory of relativity is a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of the past and even to common sense.”

      “The theory, wraps all these errors and fallacies and clothes them in magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king. Its exponents are very brilliant men, but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists. Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved.”

      “Relativity is a beggar wrapped in purple whom ignorant people take for a King.”

      Tesla’s most scathing condemnation of the Marxist charlatan was penned in a 1934 poem entitled ‘Olympian Gossip’, written to a friend. In the poem, Tesla sarcastically mocks Einstein and calls him a “long haired crank”. An excerpt:

      While listening on my cosmic phone
      I caught words from the Olympus blown.
      A newcomer was shown around;
      That much I could guess, aided by sound.

      “There’s Archimedes with his lever
      Still busy on problems as ever.
      Says: matter and force are transmutable
      And wrong the laws you thought immutable.”

      Too bad, Sir Isaac, they dimmed your renown
      And turned your great science upside down.
      Now a long haired crank, Einstein by name,
      Puts on your high teaching all the blame.

      Says: matter and force are transmutable
      And wrong the laws you thought immutable.”
      “I am much too ignorant, my son,
      For grasping schemes so finely spun.

      My followers are of stronger mind
      And I am content to stay behind.

      Einstein was very cruel to Mileva, his first wife and mother of their two sons. He not only cheated on her openly, but as the marriage unraveled, he laid out cruel conditions for staying with her as follows:
      Under the heading: “Conditions.”
      “You will make sure that: 1. that my clothes and laundry are kept in good order; 2. that I will receive my three meals regularly in my room; 3. that my bedroom and study are kept neat, and especially that my desk is left for my use only.
      You will renounce all personal relations with me insofar as they are not completely necessary for social reasons…you will stop talking to me if I request it.”

      Einstein eventually dumped Mileva to marry the woman with whom he was having an affair, his cousin Elsa. But the sex crazed serial adulterer still wasn’t happy. He is now known to have cheated on the 2nd wife as well, having no fewer than SIX extra marital affairs during his second marriage!


      Under the easy terms of Einstein’s divorce agreement from Mileva, his 1921 Nobel Prize money was to have been deposited in a Swiss bank account. Mileva (betrayed and abandoned by Einstein) was to draw only upon the interest for herself and the couple’s sons, Hans Albert and Eduard. When the sons were grown, 100% of the principal would belong to Einstein! But the sleazy creep spent the money! Mileva had to constantly beg the affluent Einstein for child support. (here) She and her sons struggled while “the great scientist” lived the high life. Compounding her misery, Eduard would develop severe mental problems. Beaten down by life, Mileva died in 1955. She was only 60. (here)

      A pure creation of Jewish media hype, Einstein was a pathological attention seeker. The mad scientist enjoyed shooting hot air out of his lying mouth on every subject imaginable. Though his sycophant worshippers eagerly ate up his bullshit, astute observors such as the great satirist H.L. Mencken saw right through the Marxist clown. Mencken once referred to Einstein as “that fiend for publicity.”
      Einstein became estranged from his adult sons. The boys had always been resentful over Einstein’s abuse and abandonment of their mother. Upon Einstein’s death, the wealthy old bastard left an insulting pittance to Hans Albert, the other son that he had hurt so much.
      Einstein fled Hitler’s Germany in 1933 not because he was Jewish, but because he was a politically active Marxist! Einstein held membership in more Communist front groups than one could shake a hammer and sickle at.
      These activities continued upon his arrival to America, where he would later defend the traitorous Rosenbergs (executed in 1952 for having passed A-Bomb secrets to the Soviets). Einstein defended other Communist traitors as well (Oppenheimer, Robeson, Fuchs, DuBois etc). In 1947, Stalin’s Pravda Newspaper named Einstein to its list of ‘Top-Ten Friends of the Soviet Union.’

      Einstein the fraud was a self described “pacifist”. However, during the 1930’s, the “pacifist” suddenly became an fierce advocate for total war against Germany! The famous Einstein-Szilard letter, in which the two Jewish scientists urge the Jew owned President Roosevelt to develop an atomic weapon, was actually written during peacetime in August of 1939! The letter falsely accuses Germany of developing an atomic bomb (the original WMD’s Lie!) and urges FDR to beat Hitler to the punch.
      The genocidal Einstein was looking forward to the day when Berlin, one of his former homes, could be nuked! Ironically, Einstein was never invited to participate in the Communist infested Manahattan Project (which grew out of Einstein’s letter) because the FBI deemed him a security risk. After the war ended, the USA and Stalin’s USSR become bitter adversaries. Red Albert conveniently reverted back to “pacifism”.

      Einstein was an America basher. Not content with bad mouthing and betraying his former German host, Einstein had insults for his adopted American country as well. For example, this sarcastic gem: “Too many of us look upon Americans as dollar chasers. This is a cruel libel, even if it is reiterated thoughtlessly by the Americans themselves.”
      While ignoring the racial basis for the “State of Israel”, hypocrite Einstein constantly denounced American racism. (see ‘Einstein The Racial Agitator’ section below). The Red scientist also had harsh words for American anti-Communist patriots, denouncing the great Senator Joseph McCarthy among others.

      Einstein condemned Nationalism (except for Israeli nationalism) and was very open in his support for a One World Government. He wrote, “There is no salvation for civilization, or even the human race, other than the creation of a world government.”

      Of course, it will be St. Albert’s synagogue buddies who will be running this World Federation, presumably from Israel.

      With World War II coming to a close, vindictive Jews worldwide openly called for the genocide of the German people. Indeed, this policy was partially implemented. Among the demonic voices demanding more blood was the “pacifist” Einstein.
      He wrote: “The Germans can be killed or constrained after the war, but they cannot be re-educated to a democratic way of thinking and acting.”……it is hoped that by war’s end, they will largely have been killed off.”

      In spite of segregation, American Blacks were making great economic progress in America during the 1940’s & 50’s. This didn’t stop the ungrateful foreigner Einstein from routinely trashing America for it’s “racism”. He wrote, “Race prejudice has unfortunately become an American tradition which is uncritically handed down from one generation to the next.”

      The trouble making Einstein also joined the anti-White, Jewish funded NAACP, and became close friends with two of America’s most notorious Black “race hustlers” – W.E. DuBois and Paul Robeson, both Communists.

      Though not a religious Jew, Einstein was indeed an ethnocentric Jew who saw the world through a “Jews vs Gentiles” lens. In 1952, soon after Jewish terror gangs had ethnically cleansed Arab villages, Einstein was offered the presidency of the illegitimate State of Israel. He politely declined the offer: “I am deeply moved by the offer from our State of Israel, and at once saddened and ashamed that I cannot accept it.”


  33. Pat,

    Thanks for the comparative translations. Interesting to see how the various translators treated these verses.

    I was trying to say that what Pilate wrote was not a Talmudic mockery of Jesus, so to speak, but rather a slap in the face to the Jewish leaders who had more or less forced him to crucify Jesus. I think the Talmudic mockery that New Song proposed would have come if the chief priests had been able to convince Pilate to change the writing on the cross to say, “He said, I am the King of the Jews.” Wasn’t this their charge or accusation against him?

    1. Ron –

      I understand..agree.

      If Jesus was claiming to be the king of Judeans…the crowned ruler of Judea, Herod Antipas, could not have that. His authority was being usurped…so…crucifixion was the cure.

      If you claim to be king of his people…. the king will get mad enough to kill you.

  34. Leviticus 26
    King James Version (KJV)

    26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.

    2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

    3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;

    4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.

    5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.

    6 And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.

    7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.

    8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.

    9 For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.

    10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

    11 And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

    12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

    13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

    14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

    15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:

    16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

    17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

    18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

    19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:

    20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

    21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

    22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

    23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;

    24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

    25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

    26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.

    27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;

    28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

    29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

    30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

    31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

    32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.

    33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

      1. Depends on one’s PERSPECTIVE, Pat!

        For instance, if God lent ME some of His power, for a day, y’all better HIDE YOUR ASSES DEEP UNDERGROUND….

        ….but God is merciful :). Be thankful.

      2. Gil –

        Your god better watch out for my god….who is NOT merciful…but a perfectionist..!!

        My god’s bigger than your god…anyway!! He’s the Bilney of gods.

        So there!!

  35. Deuteronomy 22
    King James Version (KJV)

    22 Thou shalt not see thy brother’s ox or his sheep go astray, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt in any case bring them again unto thy brother.

    2 And if thy brother be not nigh unto thee, or if thou know him not, then thou shalt bring it unto thine own house, and it shall be with thee until thy brother seek after it, and thou shalt restore it to him again.

    3 In like manner shalt thou do with his ass; and so shalt thou do with his raiment; and with all lost thing of thy brother’s, which he hath lost, and thou hast found, shalt thou do likewise: thou mayest not hide thyself.

    4 Thou shalt not see thy brother’s ass or his ox fall down by the way, and hide thyself from them: thou shalt surely help him to lift them up again.

    5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

    6 If a bird’s nest chance to be before thee in the way in any tree, or on the ground, whether they be young ones, or eggs, and the dam sitting upon the young, or upon the eggs, thou shalt not take the dam with the young:

    7 But thou shalt in any wise let the dam go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.

    8 When thou buildest a new house, then thou shalt make a battlement for thy roof, that thou bring not blood upon thine house, if any man fall from thence.

    9 Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.

    10 Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.

    11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

    12 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself.

    13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

    14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

    15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:

    16 And the damsel’s father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;

    17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.

    18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;

    19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.

    20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

    21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

  36. Here is the passage in question from the original Greek translated to English. Notice how the correct definitions in the Greek tells the true story.

    John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. 20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin. 21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews. 22 Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.

    Now the Chief Priests (who were of Esau) under Caiaphas the High Priest are the one’s speaking to Pilate trying to get him to change what Pilate wrote. But earlier we see in John 11:49-50 that Caiaphas chastises his subordinates prophesying the reason for Christ’s willful death… “Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.”

    The Esau Priests think they will not parish, only the authentic Judaites among the nation will, but the opposite will be proven true.

    Here is what it says in the original Greek. I have made bold the words in contention

    John 19:19 ἔγραψε δὲ καὶ τίτλον ὁ Πιλᾶτος καὶ ἔθηκεν ἐπὶ τοῦ σταυροῦ· ἦν δὲ γεγραμμένον· Ἰησοῦς ὁ Ναζωραῖος ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων. 20 τοῦτον οὖν τὸν τίτλον πολλοὶ ἀνέγνωσαν τῶν Ἰουδαίων, ὅτι ἐγγὺς ἦν τῆς πόλεως ὁ τόπος ὅπου ἐσταυρώθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς· καὶ ἦν γεγραμμένον ῾Εβραϊστί, ῾Ελληνιστί, Ρωμαϊστί. 21 ἔλεγον οὖν τῷ Πιλάτῳ οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς τῶν Ἰουδαίων· μὴ γράφε, ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων, ἀλλ’ ὅτι ἐκεῖνος εἶπε, βασιλεύς εἰμι τῶν Ἰουδαίων. 22 ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Πιλᾶτος· ὃ γέγραφα, γέγραφα.

    So, what was being said here? Are Pilate and the “Jewish” Chief Priests saying Ἰουδαίων, meaning Ioudaios (The tribe of Judah), Ioudas, (the posterity -future seed- of the southern tribes of Judah) or are they saying Ioudaikos (impostors, resembling a Judean, but “Jewish”)?

    In a way, it really doesn’t matter because If they are saying the tribe of Judah (Ioudaios) this would make sense because the impostors are pretending to be of Judah and Pilate wanted to be factual while mocking these evil people. If they are saying Ἰουδαίων (those who resemble authentic Judaites) this also might fit being that they want to steal the other two definition’s inheritances.

    But isn’t this interesting what the Ioudaikos-impostor “Jews” are quoted as saying in Mark 15:32

    32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe.

    32 ὁ Χριστὸς ὁ βασιλεὺς τοῦ Ἰσραὴλ καταβάτω νῦν ἀπὸ τοῦ σταυροῦ, ἵνα ἴδωμεν καὶ πιστεύσωμεν αὐτῷ. καὶ οἱ συνεσταυρωμένοι αὐτῷ ὠνείδιζον αὐτόν.

    Not understanding the High Priest Caiaphas’ prophesy, the Esau Chief Priests think they can steal the blessings and birthrights of the posterity of Judah- that somehow, they that now having murdered Jesus, they have stole the birthrights of Jacob, Israel’s too

    Christ exposed their inner thoughts telling them in the parable of the householder who went into a far country in Matthew 21:33-44 that these hired husbandman (which are not native to one house-vineyard) desire to kill the Son and take his inheritance (birthrights-blessings) and in verse 43 Jesus tells them what was to become of the nation (Judah) they ruled “43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

    Funny tho, in mocking Jesus as King of Israel they actually are in accord with the truth of the matter but in an inverted form because the term Israel -Ἰσραὴλ is defined as either the northern 10 tribes exclusively or the 12 tribes (including Judah) all together.

    Thus Hebrews 8:8 is soon fulfilled as the Romans come down, destroy the “Jews” nation, raping all of the Esau “Jews” women, killing all of the men, severing their paternal link to Abraham through Isaac which leaves only the ethnic Judaites who believed in Jesus left to spread the word of I AM to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. Scattered where abroad?

    Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    Hebrews 8:8 μεμφόμενος γὰρ αὐτοῖς λέγει· ἰδοὺ ἡμέραι ἔρχονται, λέγει Κύριος, καὶ συντελέσω ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰσραὴλ καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Ἰούδα διαθήκην καινήν,

    James, Jesus’ ethnic brother of the same mother says in 1:1 of his epistle “JAMES, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. 2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

    How can these 12 tribes scattered abroad be his brethren if they have just began to hear the Word of I AM/Jesus in Greece, Italy, Spain, France and England?. Answer- because these are his ethnic brothers and sisters and this is proved as correct simply in the fact that the Esau ruled “Judea” nation and link to Issac/Abraham was destroyed and these European regions of white people where the word was spread by the Apostles would become Christian Nations of Christendom.

    Pat. The word Pussy or Wussy in American slang means a feminine type of cowardly, weak behavior. The word f-cking that I used means “an extreme form”. Anyone who takes shots when he knows the other can’t respond and then takes pleasure is trying to anger people just so he can have his sh-ts and giggles, being evil for evils sake is a F-CKING PUSSY- case closed.

    1. Ty-Ranter –

      You continue to lie. You responded to my comments…even though you claimed I believed you could not.
      The opposite was the case. I KNEW you would…and you proved me to be correct there….AGAIN!! Thanks.

      I left that pretty language you use…when I left the Navy….45 years ago. It suits you nicely, though.
      You will grow up one day and learn to speak like a mature adult…. and not as a juvenile delinquent.

      Keep-a-preachin’ sonny. You look good in your paper pulpit… LOL!!!

      BTW…tell us again about how Hitler went to Mars. You must have a telescope which you view the colony he set up there. That is a hilarious story. Better than Buck Rogers or Commando Cody any day!! Is there an ‘app’ for that?? #nutso.

      1. stop your white trashing of John De Nugent
        his new religion might just save the Aryan RACE
        towards the galaxies within…

        long live Adam Lanza…& Frodo

      2. JDN = Morris Dees’s flunkie. Master promoters of Elohim City. And Andreas ‘Andy the German’ Strassmeier.

  37. To Ron –

    I referred to it as a Talmudic mockery because it was the Talmudic priests / religion that killed Jesus. The Talmudic deception was / is to make people think Jews and Israelites are the same people.

    Matthew 27:29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put [it] upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!

    To Montecristo (editor) –

    Technically, Jesus was/is not a Jew because Jew is not a race and is an organized-religion like all of satan’s organized-religions. Sure, there were/are racial Jews (Judahites) whose lineage can be traced back to Biblical days, but technically race is color: white, black, etc.

    Being “Jew” is not what makes a person “chosen”; nor does race. God chose a white-race known as Israelites (and not because they were white). Jesus’ message was Spiritual Love by which the Contract of the OT would/could be demonstrated by one who is an Israelite; not because of their race, but because of their obedience to The Laws of God / The Torah. The Illuminati are concerned that people will make the connection and follow The Torah.

    In verse 17, “fulfill” translates to mean “fully preach” (pleroo in Greek), not conclude.

    Matthew –

    5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the Prophets which were before you.

    5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

    5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

    5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

    5:16 Let your Light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

    5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.

  38. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven.

    5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of heaven.

    1. New Song

      With all due respect, you are wrong about race.

      Race is more than skin color. Race is a genetic makeup created by the creator to which come certain lineages that expresses themselves outwardly identifiable by skin color. Do you honestly think that there is no difference in dog breeds because of the color of their hair, or that there is no differences in birds because of the color of their feathers?

      Jesus separated the impostors from the authentic Judaites by way of his word. He said “I come only for the lost of Israel” (meaning 12 tribes)

      Paul said in Romans 1 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Yes, the stranger can be grafted in); to the Jew (posterity of southern house of Judah) first, and also to the Greek (Northern House of Israel).

      Paul says in Romans 11:1 I SAY then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.

      He explains in all in Romans 9. My comments in brackets

      I SAY the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen (12 tribes of white Israelites) according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; (the blessings and birthrights) 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh (race) Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh (live not by the spirit), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise (Jacob/Israel) are counted for the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. 10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob (whites-Children of the Promise) have I loved, but Esau (who live not be spirit) have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour (whites/Jacob), and another unto dishonour (Esau “Jews”)? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews (posterity of southern house of Judah) only, but also of the Gentiles (ethnic-kinsfolk nations-Israelites of the north? 25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved ( I will speak about this below): 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles (ethnic kinsfolk Israelite pagan tribes/nations then), which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, (meaning before the 12 tribes we cast away and those in Judea at that time) which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

      So race counts. It can give one advantages or disadvantages, blessings or cursings depending on the subject matter per God’s will and/or grace.

      And finally, who does he choose to rule with him in the flesh? (in physical form?) He chooses a REMNANT (referred to above) 144,000 white/European believers of Jacob/Israel; 12,000 from each of the 12 ethnic tribes.

      Revelation of John- Chapter 7 AND after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.


      Yes, I can see how morally superior you are. How could anyone miss it? We all ought to follow your lead Pat as you show us the way of righteousness becoming elated at doing evil for evil sake, angering people on purpose and all because you can’t address the evidence listed by those you oppose.

      Keep up the good work. I mean, hey, this place has proven time and time again they would never throw the likes of you out so you must be a good guy. You must be doing the right thing.

  39. If one is able to read Eustace Mullins’ ‘Curse of Canaan’, prelim it with a reading of 1 Chronicles 2:1-3. There, you will find the original ‘canaanitess’, mother of 3 sons by Judah, a son of Israel. She was the original ‘Jewish mother’. Law of Moses forbid intermarriage and breeding with Canaanites. We’re ALL infected, so get over it. Now, it is a matter of baptism and faith and works – which is how The Christ offers salvation. Remember: ‘He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; the field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one.’ – Matt. 13:37-38

    We reap what we sow.

    1. Gil –
      WE, paleface??

      You might be infected. I am not infected. Nothing to get over.

      Even by legend…. I am not a descendant of Judah’s Caananitess’s sons. He committed adultery…mixed the blood. Made it adulterated…impure. A no-no in the heavy tablets.

      Only the 3 sons of Judah were from a Canaanitess.

      (Descendants of Judah)
      Verse 3 – The sons of Judah were Er, Onan and Shelah; these three were born to him by Bath-shua the Canaanitess.

      1. Pat,

        Still trying to confuse people I see. Why would a “white man” spend so much time trying to do this? You know, the more you speak the more my previous suspicions about you I entertain the more thinking them correct originally.

        Gilbert, it is true that some of tribe of Judah had mixed with the Canaanites as did the Esau “Jews” who later infiltrated into Judea propert. This mixing brought about the downfall of the southern Kingdom to a large degree. But remember, 2 Sons of Judah out of his 5 had not mixed and it is through one of them that springs our ethnic-racial-seedline kin, King and Savior- Jesus Christ.

        1 Chronicles (My comments in Brackets and emphasis in bold)

        1 These (are) the names of the sons of Israel; 2 Ruben, Symeon, Levi, Juda, Issachar, Zabulon, Dan, Joseph, Benjamin, Nephthali, Gad, Aser. 3 These (these are) sons of Juda; Er, Aunan, Selom. three were born to him of the daughter of Sava the Chananitish woman: and Er, the first-born of Juda, [was] wicked before the Lord, and he slew him. 4 AND THAMAR HIS DAUGHTER-IN-LAW BORE TO HIM PHAREZ AND ZARA; ALL THE SONS OF JUDA (were) FIVE.

        Who was Thamar?

        “The daughter-in-law of Judah, to whose eldest son, Er, she was married (Gen. 38:6). After her husband’s death, she was married to Onan, his brother (8), and on his death, Judah promised to her that his third son, Shelah, would become her husband. This promise was not fulfilled, and hence Tamar’s revenge and Judah’s great guilt (38:12-30). She eventually bore twins (Pharez and Zerah (Zarah), with Judah as the father. From Pharez, the royal line ( or LINES) of King David sprang.”

        Thamar was of Shemite, white origin, not Canaanite. Judah almost lost his birthrights and blessings by getting drunk and screwing the Canaanite prostitute that bore 3 sons (2 of them died) but I AM had mercy on Patriarch Judah (as detailed in the writings of the 12 Patriarchs). Through her revenge of mating with Judah (her father in law) the pure ethnic-racial-seedline was kept intact.

        Who are the twins Pharez and Zarah from the sexual union of Patriarch Judah and his daughter in law Thamar? InMatthew 1:3 we see what happens through Pharez. The genealogy of Jesus confirms that Pharaz is a Semite of the unbroken ethnic-seedling-racial line to Jesus; “Judah was the father of Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez was the father of Hezron, and Hezron the father of Ram”…. on down to make the first House of David”

        But what about Zarah? Here are two links explaining how the second House of David was created in Ireland, Scotland, England.

        The 12 tribes of Israel physically speaking are WHITE/Europeans now at the four corners of the earth, awaiting the time when they are gathered to take over the fake “Jews” of Esau and Ashkenaz’s Satanic JWO.

  40. Paul wrote to Timothy (1Timothy 1:4) to not give heed to fables and endless genealogies, but to teach godly edification, which is in faith. Furthermore, he admonished at Titus 1:14 to ‘not [give] heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.’

    The Old Testament prelude, with ‘Jewry’ being first mentioned in 2nd Kings (and whose ascent to power was portrayed in Esther), is vital to understanding the message of Christ. Whether or not Jesus was a ‘Jew’ is more a matter of geographies and genealogies than of Spirit. Endless arguments. Avoid them.

    1. Well said, Gilbert. Judaism is a cult based on an “eternal Israel” However from the study of tectonic plate movements of the African Rift Valley, which stretches from the Golan heights to Lake Malawi, we will see as the plates drift apart, within 50,000 years, it opening into a huge sea! Oops, Jerusalem, the holy city is no more and the Jews will have perpetrated all their mass murder, deceit, usury and taking reward from the innocent for naught. Christianity is based on finding the Kingdom of Heaven within, the real eternal rock.

    2. Pat,

      I want to apologize to you. Not because of what I think of concerning who you are. Not because I hate your constantly doing evil for evil sake and then giggling about it. Not because I expect you to admit your error too, but because In looking up something for Gilbert I read Paul’s words that reminded me of my error. My Achilles heal. In short, I shouldn’t be using such uncouth language toward you in anger (although i think my anger and basic description of your character right) because after all, Paul says to Timothy in Titus…

      “PUT them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, 2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. 3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

      This is hard for me to do toward people who love wickedness for wickedness sake.


      Titus 3:9 through 15 is one of the most twisted of scriptures today. Twisted mostly by “Jews”, Marxists, Leftists, Egalitarians, race mixers- those Christians brainwashed by the “Jews” while the “Jews” practice ethnic solidarity.

      You quote verse 9

      9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

      Here Paul is saying that when Timothy goes out to preach, he shouldn’t try and target his audience individually by going some massive genealogy background test to qualify who he speaks to. Paul knows, as did all the Apostles, what race the Israelites/Judaites are from and where they were located in mass at that particular time, and they also knew that some can appear as ethnic Judaites/Israelites outwardly, but in truth have the seed and desires of the Esau “Jews” (as confirmed today by just switching on the Jew tube). So Paul is NOT saying that it is wrong to do Historical Corporate genealogical investigations of certain groups to pre-qualify whom in mass to preach, or that to consult the genealogy of Jesus is wrong in order establish modern realities. Paul is telling Timothy to preach to the corporate groups that are known to be of majority Israelites/Judaites stock and in doing so, I AM/Jesus will separate the wheat from the weeds- he will SIFT and gather his ethnic peoples (whom he redeems) from the nations, himself.

      Amos 8-15

      8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the kingdom of sinners, and I will cut it off from the face of the earth; only I will not utterly cut off the house of Jacob, saith the Lord. 9 For I [will] give commandment, and sift the house of Israel among all the Gentiles, as [corn] is sifted in a sieve, and [yet] a fragment shall not in any wise fall upon the earth. 10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, who say, Calamities shall certainly not draw near, nor come upon us. 11 In that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and will rebuild the ruins of it, and will set up the parts thereof that have been broken down, and will build it up as in the ancient days: 12 that the remnant of men, and all the Gentiles upon whom my name is called, may earnestly seek [me], saith the Lord who does all these things. 13 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when the harvest shall overtake the vintage, and the grapes shall ripen at seedtime; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall be planted. 14 And I will turn the captivity of my people Israel, and they shall rebuild the ruined cities, and shall inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and shall drink the wine from them; and they shall form gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 15 And I will plant them on their land, and they shall no more be plucked up from the land which I have given them, saith the Lord God Almighty.

      Those who respond have the seed of the Promise. Those who don’t were never of Jacob/Israel in the first place.

      1. Tyron –

        I will accept your apology. No problem.
        If you take what I say as evil, then you have a different definition of it than I do.
        It is no more complicated than that.

        I sat listening live to the sermons of leaders of exposing the Jews in the 50s. Dilling & Winrod of Sedition Trials of 1944 fame(Jew judge died), Emry, Comparet, Mullins and many more.

        Being in the military for a decade, during Nam, I have seen things you will never see. So we all have different views based on education and experiences.
        You tell yours and I’ll tell mine. Pretty easy.

      2. @ Tyron Parsons

        “My Achilles heal.”

        Tyron I sincerely hope you’ll find a doctor who can heel your Achilles heal.

      3. Franklin

        I’m not one who suffers enemies and fools easily so yes, it’s a fault of mine but guess what? I admit my faults unlike most everyone who both runs this site and posts here. In fact, I don’t I ever once heard you admit your faults like when you and your gang at TOO attacked me mercilessly just because I believe in Creation.

  41. I know we think 50,000 years is a long time, but in the light of eternal life it will seem as one second. I don’t know how old you are, I am 64, but remember how long 1 year was when you were a child. Time “speeds up” as one gets older.

    1. Felix, you are correct….
      I have a few years on ya.
      Time seems to speed up because of familiarity, as when going to a new place seems to take longer than the return. Anticipation decreases with repetition.
      To me, now, weeks go by like days used to do……it seems. Years pass like months did before.

      Keep in mind. Time never passes….we do.

      1. Yes, you obviously do, if you were in college in 1962. From your posts I gather you are an admirer of Thomas Paine. Well science currently postulates by mathematics that there are 11 dimensions. There could be more. There is probably many, many universes. Now being of sceptical mind you would like the Kalama Sutta, the Buddha’s so-called “Charter of Free Enquiry.”
        Briefly it lists 10 points.
        Do not go upon what has been learnt or acquired by:
        1. Repeated Hearing
        2. Tradition
        3. Rumour
        4. Scripture
        5. Surmise
        7. Specious reasoning
        8. Bias
        9. The expert or another person’ ability
        10. The “Guru” or the authorities.
        It may seem to be an open ended invitation to do what one wills, but the Buddha stated that one is still bound to remove greed, hatred, anger and delusion, even if there was no rebirth. He stressed one must test everything. In fact I have met some very devout Thai Buddhists would do not believe in any life after death, let alone rebirth.

      2. science currently postulates by mathematics that there are 11 dimensions.

        i guess you refer to the so called string theory, a pure jew hogwash.
        it employs fancy math to build its case within unimaginably small sub-planck’s length distances and do an end run around quantum mechanical theory.
        and it keeps getting into trouble because its postulates end up contradicting both the observed events and itself, so after lifting stuff from topology, such as tiny calabi-yao spaces shaped somewhat like water pitchers, it keeps ramping up the number of dimensions to make stuff fit the reality.
        the dimensions requirement currently stands at 11 but don’t hold your breath.

        it never offered a single testable prediction, unlike quantum mechanics which made dozens of totally new claims that were subsequently experimentally verified.

        i would give string theory shelf space in the local holocaust museum, i am sure it explains what happened with remains of six million dead jews.


    finally someone who makes total sense, all some of the others might as well claim that beethoven copied barry mantilow and caravaggio stole from mark rothko.
    both your posts were clearly written and informative, i normally have trouble with longer texts due to reading handicap but yours i sailed through.

  43. Does the girl in the picture above, who is reading the Old Testament, look evil and dangerous to you?

    And what does that matter? A picture of a unicorn would also not look evil and dangerous.

    What’s next, telling us that the Talmud is really good for Gentiles?

  44. @Lobro
    As I implied in my post I have an open mind on the subject. I did use the word postulate! Do you say that e=mc2 is incorrect just because it is alleged to have come from Einstein? I have read books which posit that Einstein was a fraud. Just because someone is/was Jewish does not mean one should ignore their work e.g. I like the works of Mendelsohn, but I prefer Wagner. My favourite is Mozart. However, I detest Freemasonry and he composed masonic music. His opera the Magic Flute is full of Masonic symbols. The same applies to chess, one of my favourite players is the late Bobby Fischer, Jewish. He denounced US chess as having too many f##king jews and was branded a self-hating jew. I will agree that Freud, the Jewish cokehead has had a most malignant influence on Western psychology and is the major reason for the Anglo-Saxons et al being so mentally deranged. Witness the funeral of Princess Diana. London almost completely covered by an avalanche of the severed sexual organs of plants i.e. flowers.

    1. Do you say that e=mc2 is incorrect just because it is alleged to have come from Einstein?

      i never said it is incorrect.
      but i do say that einstein published it as his own two years after it was first published by an italian graduate student (di pretto).
      this is easily verified through literature search, you don’t have to believe me.
      einstein likewise misappropriated developments by poincare, lorentz and others by listing their results in his published work, including his phd thesis, without proper acknowledgement, a criminal offence in academic world.
      in plain language, he stole stuff left, right and center and is for this lauded as the greatest hypergenius the world has ever seen in (j**, guess what the splats stand for) press.

      but i am not a historian of science, why not look up the TOO article on the subject, written by someone much more knowledgeable than i.

  45. Hi, I’ve had little to do since being reunited with my true love.
    So. I thought I’d read the New Testament and note all the rules of “good Christian” conduct it transmits. There is NO pun intended here: I just want to know all Jesus Christ’s RULES/decrees/tenets for operating one’s LIFE.
    My questions to myself include: Are there rulings on “laying with other men”, as in buggery/sodomy/gay lerv?
    And what does Paul say/decree (via J.C) about the role of women?
    What about food choice? Fish on Fridays; Maccas on Fridays; or “eat anything God provides.”
    A few months ago I was a mass fornicator; but I was instructed to say “25 Hail Marys” and fondle my rosary beeds; and hey presto, I was forgiven.
    So now I am like a reborn virgin, but should I be sleeping with my true love when not married?
    I’ve started to drain the blood out of my kangaroo steaks; and do not eat crustaceans.
    I am redeemed! Aren’t you happy for me?

    1. mostly,
      but there’s more

      say 10 “Our Fathers” sincerely
      and get Baptized…

      then see me for a Tactical Nuke.

      you might just be in the running for a
      “special mssion”…
      given your profile you’ll probably be successful
      and be rewarded with as many virgins as your desires
      are able to imagine

  46. LASHA

    You quote from Ecclesiastes, and remark on its poignancy regarding the transient reality of this life, how all is vanity in the face of it, how miniscule we all seem in the grip of its grinding maw. But I would ask, just how should this be regarded?

    Is it to be inferred that BECAUSE these words are contained in an alleged holy book that they therefore reflect Divine intention for life to be experienced in this transitory fashion simply because, well…it IS?

    There is a kind of cerebral ‘palsy’ when it comes to the human proclivity for rationalization. One that insists on accepting the great deception which would have a Biblical reader believing that EVERYTHING is under the purview of the True Creation, when in Truth “evil” signifies a DEPARTURE from it, not one of its integral components. Yet what prohibits us from seeing this is that part of us that so desperately WANTS to believe we are accessing Truth when what this really is is probably the biggest lie of them all!

    Other passages from Ecclesiastes should also send up red flags for those who purport to fully understand the Christ message:

    “A time for peace, a time for war” = LIE – there is no “time” for war per Divine Intent

    “A time to kill, a time to heal” = LIE – there is no “time” to kill per Divine Intent

    And here’s a particularly intriguing one:

    “A time to be born, a time to die” = LIE – there is only a “time” TO BE. That you are born only to die is ultimately a controlling illusion implying that TRUE life (i.e.; life experienced in Truth) is NOT what we experience in this false reality of material erosion.

    Cold-hearted orb that rules the night
    removes the colors from our sight
    Red is gray and yellow white
    yet we decide which is right
    and which is an illusion?

    “Nights in White Satin”, Moody Blues

  47. Brownhawk soar
    high above earth
    Him see much
    scurrying mice below
    But him no catch
    Him only watch
    see cats chase
    see mouse run
    Both play old game
    Brownhawk play no more
    Him want see mouse
    turn on cat
    Then mouse be mighty

  48. Lasha has opened a can of worms on this site by putting in a good word for the Old Testament. To do this on an anti-Semitic website like this is to damage her reputation as a bona fide Jew hater.

    To win friends among the virulent Jew haters two things are necessary, dear Lasha: (1) Always to speak of the Old Testament with hatred and scorn as the work of the Devil, and (2) Never on any account to hint at Christ’s Jewishness.

    Even though Christ taught in the synagogue — something only Jews were allowed to do — it is absolutely necessary to pretend he was a hostile non-Jew or gentile (or “blue-eyed Aryan gentleman”) who had somehow sneaked in there and was the world’s first anti-Semitic ranter and raver and Holocaust denier.

    Frankly, I see new depths in our Lasha: new, unsuspected depths. I refer in particular to the short concluding section of the article in which she tells us that the Devil paid her a visit one morning and whispered a few words in her ear while she sat in meditation by her window.

    I had no idea that Lasha was on familiar terms with the Devil and that he kept whispering things in her ear. Fascinating! Did he have red eyes, horns, a tail? She does not say! 🙂

    1. I note that this site is doing quite well in the Alexa ranking system. Far from being deserted by an exodus of its best posters — as the spiteful poster Karen T once took pleasure in informing us — the site has recently attracted quite a few new talented posters. I regret this of course, being Jewish and fiercely protective of my tribe’s value system, but the truth has to be faced. Some of the posters here are exceptionally good.

      The poster who stand out from the crowd as particularly dangerous to me and my associates is the scoundrel known as “Lobro.” This man is a menace and must be stopped. Wherever he is, in whatever part of the world he is hiding out right now, he will have to be tracked down by a well-trained squad of Mossad agents and ruthlessly eliminated. This is the only option we have.

      This is not a threat. It is simply a hope. That adequate steps are taken by international Jewry to cut off the head of the snake. Lobro must go. Yes, I am afraid so. He should put his affairs in order, say goodbye to his nearest and dearest, and prepare to meet his end with a stoical dignity.

      1. Needless to say, the same applies to Ms Darkmoon. This lady’s days are numbered. I give her six months at the most.

      2. 🙂
        (Lobro beheaded or rather, disembodied)
        Say hello to Rita Katz and say no more Seymour, Jews are not supposed to work so hard – and you are a real Jew, aren’t you?
        A real Jew will always lie and a real Aryan will always tell the truth, meaning they’ll both give the same answer.

  49. @Tyrone Parsons and Anthony Clifton –

    I’ve researched these questions for the last thirty years or so and you are both correct.

  50. Dear Seymour Zak,

    I have a pertinent question for you; please do your best to answer it. Do you think there is any truth in the Sherlock Holmes’s opinion that, ”What one man can hide, another man can discover?” Just wondering, you know, nothing else.

    As for Lobro – well, poor, good Lobro! The fellow may be equal to Planck, and his remarks may be outstanding, but he sure ain’t no psychologist. He has a long, long way to go.

    Still, my dear Seymour Zak, you do it exceptionally well, only you forget the profound and telling significance of FREQUENCY! One day you may learn this secret art, and when you do, another and different world will open for you.

    1. Dr Arthur Doyle conjured the Holmes fiction. Whatever Doyle had Holmes utter was the invention of Doyle, of course.
      AND…. Doyle’s statement for Holmes was correct.
      Roger Bacon is an example. What he discovered and hid, was uncovered by nuclear physicists over the centuries.
      Transmutation of elements exists perpetually in nature and is ALSO conducted by man. (Frequency rules there.) That was part of the Manhattan Project which is still undisclosed.

      Nuclear physicist, Joe Champion, actually believes he is Bacon, reincarnated. He is totally convinced of it. He was thrown in prison for his findings and revelations on elemental metal transmutation.

      Champion is living proof of Doyle’s invented words for Holmes.

      All of us know things which others do not. Most cannot handle the argument brought forth with the knowledge. So, they remain silent.

      Prime example…Tesla knew things others did not know. He had a VERY unique frequency.

    2. @ XVI/XX

      “Dear Seymour Zak, I have a pertinent question for you; please do your best to answer it. Do you think there is any truth in the Sherlock Holmes’s opinion that, ”What one man can hide, another man can discover?” Just wondering, you know, nothing else.”

      I seldom condescend to answer patronizing questions by my intellectual inferiors, but in this case I will make an exception, because maybe you are my intellectual superior.

      Jesus Christ would certainly believe in the truth of the Sherlock Holmes quote. By sheer chance, only this morning, I came across this quote from the Gospel of St Luke in my Oxford Dictionary of Quotations. It says exactly what Sherlock Holmes says, proving to me beyond any shadow of doubt that Conan Doyle was a plagiarist:

      “For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither anything hid, that shall not be known and come to light.” (Luke 8:17)

      Christ, however, is talking about an entirely different thing to Sherlock Holmes. While it is true that ”What one man can hide, another man can discover” (Sherlock Holmes), it is not true that this is ALWAYS the case. Many crimes have never been discovered and many have gone to their graves with their guilty secrets. I would say that 99% of the secret things that are done in the darkness remain in the darkness forever. Never do they come into the garish light of day.

      Christ is going one step further than this — nay, he is going twenty times, a hundred times further! — he is actually saying that EVERYTHING DONE IN SECRET WILL ONE DAY BE KNOWN: “Nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither anything hid, that shall not be known and come to light.”

      He is talking about the Akashic records, dear XVI/XX, or the Book of Secret Things. A frightening concept. All will one day be known, down to the smallest jot and tittle, according to this esoteric teaching. No act, however secret, will not be dragged from its dark lair and brandished in the daylight for all eyes to see.

      Every time Adam betrayed Eve behind her back, she will know it; and every time Eve sinned with the Serpent, Adam will know it. 🙂

      They will then, these primordial lovers, be able to look into each other’s eyes and see the number of times they have betrayed each other. There will be no secrets any more.

      We already live in such a world of constant surveillance. Big Brother is watching us. Constantly. The NSA will soon have cameras and microphones in our bathrooms. Even when we defecate, they will be watching us closely and counting the number of sheets of toilet paper we are using.

      Ah yes, even that will one day be known and made manifest! 🙂

      1. “Even when we defecate, they will be watching us closely and counting the number of sheets of toilet paper we are using.”

        What a typical Jewish fantasy! A better proof that you’re a Jew is hard to imagine.

        And here is a picture of Satan how I imagine him:

        As you can see he strikingly resembles the people that functions as his stormtroops on earth.

      2. @Franklin Ryckaert

        “What a typical Jewish fantasy! A better proof that you’re a Jew is hard to imagine.”

        Hmm . . . and I always saw Seymour as an exceptionally gifted spoof writer! But you could be right. This obsession with scatology is so typically Jewish! 🙂

        And here is MY picture of Satan how I imagine him:

      3. zakie, this concept was formulated by isaac newton as his first law of thermodynamics (aka conservation of energy), namely that

        The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.

        furthermore, the idea of a smaller closed system within universe is an impossibility because the mere act of observing it implies exchange of information, eg, photons.
        in millions of ingenious and incredibly precise experiments, not a slightest deviation has been observed.
        therefore, with every wipe, the universe reacts and this reaction saves the snapshot of your posterior for posterity.
        needless to say, it goes also for everything else.
        what is a truly scary thought is that if, as you say, 90% of bad things are done in darkness and given what we know of jews amounts to only 10%, the remainder is frightening beyond measure.

        anyway, folks, what jesus and newton and doyle and zak said amounts to karma (give it a bit of thought).
        karma goes a tad further and posits a psycho-equilibrium where wrongs are righted in the great zero sum game.

      4. @ Lobro

        An excellent post, Lobro, but waaay above my head! (You obviously have a very high Jewish IQ). A couple of quick questions.

        1. Are you saying that my idea of the Akashic records is compatible with quantum physics?

        2. Do you think the Many Parallel Worlds hypothesis is sound quantum physics or just “Jewish nonsense” — like string theory? Is it possible that there are an infinite number of Lobros doing an infinite number of different things in an infinite number of universes . . . or is this just science fiction?

        There have been highly reputable quantum physicists, I believe, who have advanced these theories and given mathematical equations to make it all sound very plausible. What think you?

      5. zak, i never looked at the akashic records and must go on your word or what is salvaged from kol nidre.
        one thing quantum theory is firm on and is quite easily verified is that the conscious observation freezes a probability of a state into its material personification, without the act of seeing, all it is is a potential.
        beyond that, it is speculation, namely, does for every possibility in an infinitude of possibilities there happen to be some act of observing this particular materialization in a particular world?
        i have no clue, neither for nor against, nor can anyone else know for sure, since any interaction between two worlds builds a bridge that merges them into a single world – by definition.
        they can only be separate if they are separate 🙂

        as for the string theory, it has only managed to agree with observed facts, ie, correct in rear view mirror, never made a testable prediction, which is where blue-skying fantasies become respectable theoretical models.
        and since jew don’t like to get their hands dirty with experimentation, they just spin these mathematical yarns, the more unprovable, the beter … look ma, it’s a rocket scientist, no, a flying einstein … ed witten.

        in at least one such parallel universe, lobro doesn’t get sidetracked.

      6. lobro –

        Since not all observations require photons such as IR, RF, sound and magnetic observation….the whole world may be observed with a global MRI. Even in the darkness all could be observed.
        Braille is an observation lacking photons also. In this instance it is discretely and indirectly used to know what to wipe without having to look.

  51. I agree with Lasha Darkmoon that the Old Testament has magnificent poetry and wisdom. I disagree, though, that Christianity come out of “Synagogue Judaism” because that form of Judaism didn’t exist until after the Temple was burned in 70AD. Rather, Christianity came from First Temple Judaism and Synagogue Judaism came from Second Temple Judaism. In 597 BCE the First Temple was destroyed, a group of aristocrats and elite priests (small in number) went into exile in Babylon where they come under the influence of Zoroastrians. When they returned (or their progeny) they set up a different type of religion without a priest/King like Mechisedec; Yahweh only replaced the Father/Son religion with El as the Father God; Law took over where Wisdom had been; there was no female presence in the temple in the form of a cloud (the Holy Ghost); there were purity laws (Jesus broke every purity law with his miracles that involved people, like touching a bleeding woman, a blind man, a crippled man, etc. all people excluded by purity laws of 2nd Temple not present in First Temple). The majority of the people had not gone into exile, and those people continued practicing as before with a high God El, a Son God that was associated with priestly kingship. The Christian Church was formed out of those who had retained the older version of the religion and accepted some elements of the Hebrew Scriptures but not all of them. Christ was called the High Priest of the order of Melchisedec. Christ means anointed one, and that relates to the First Temple practice of anointing the priest/king–a practice abandoned by the Second Temple priesthood. The attributes of Asherah were exactly the same as those of the Virgin Mary: Queen of Heaven; color blue; Wisdom of El and Wisdom of God, oak nut and almond nut. Asherah walked on water and Christ walked on water. And so on. The language of the Hebrew Bible comes from the literature of the Bronze Age Eastern Mediterranean, a society rich in literary and international trade.

    Sometimes I think that the wars in the Middle East are wars to wipe out the evidence of the Biblical’s antecedents, so that nothing remains but a chosen people who take credit for a literature they certainly contributed to but did not create all on their own. In particular the ancient land of Assyria along with the Canaanites (Phoenicians) laid the literary and theological foundations of the Bible. The Torah (the Books of Moses) are based on an Assyrian vassal treaty. The tetramorphs (the lion, the bull, the eagle, and the man) originally guarded the four points of Assyrian palace. The Assyrian Tree of Life looks identical to the occultist version. The word Elohim is a plural that implies a singularity. It comes from the word Ilani as in Gabbu- ilani or all the gods. Patricia Crone, the archeologist of Islam, wrote in her book Hagarism that the Assyrians were monotheists before Christ and Christian after him, and the past therefore led to the present without a break.

    The Bronze Age religions believed in a cosmotheistic unity that allowed for diversity, and therefore translatability. Asherah had attributes of the Egyptian mother goddess Hathar, etc. The religions that came out of the primary culture of the Eastern Mediterranean set up religions along the true/false paradigm–that is the main difference. The rituals of the First Temple became the liturgy of the Christian Church, much remained the same except for the idea of truth and falsehood. We are true, others are false.

    Basically the problem is not the rituals, the literature, the psalms, the poetic ecstasies, or laments, or legends; but the true/false paradigm because that does not allow for translatability to other religions. I could say for example that Christianity is very much like Islam because we took our father gods from the same exact antecedent. We don’t have to define something as false because differences exist. Ironically, the neo-liberals who are so interested in a “fake diversity” are the very ones who don’t seem to be interested in a depth diversity, a diversity that arises from a belief in cosmic unity. The problem really is not the Old Testament but the blindness that goes along with defining someone else as false.

    These same neo-liberals don’t seem to get religion either, that someone can belong to a religion and still form an independent consciousness, a individualized morality. This is the battle right now going on with the religious exemptions to vaccines. If your religion has a certain dogma and yet at the same time encourages a person to make choices of conscience, that choice is excluded as a religious choice. As Lasha Darkmoon implied with her special affection for certain books of the Hebrew Bible, religion (the spirit within us) has infinite subjectivity. Real religion is not dead doctrine but living Presence, even among those who practice old time religions.

  52. @ Kapoore

    I am pleased to see we appear to be in broad agreement. I have no problem with anything you say here. I also have no hesitation in saying you have far more specialist knowledge of this subject than I do. I was happy to see you confirmed my former hunch that the Virgin Mary and Magna Mater were the same person.

  53. Tyron Parson

    Thank you and with all due respect in return, race being color (white or otherwise), Jew is not a race because it is connected to an organized- religion (Judaism); whereas, white is a race and directly connected to being a racial Israelite (which is not an organized-religion).

    Those calling themselves Jews nowadays, when 99% of them are not racial Jews, have no right to The Holy Land, racially; nor are they following Moses’ Torah of The Holy Bible.

    The argument in support is that the Babylonian Talmudic influence is the cause of “Jew”. However, (white) racial Jews were fooled, and were Israelites before that influence. The problem is the Babylonian Talmud turned Israel/people into Jews. What I seek is to distinguish between the two “Jews”: racial Jews and the counterfeits; and if that does not appear to make a difference (when it should) the Babylonian lie persists. The Babylonian Talmudists are not (racial) Jews (thus not Jews) having no prior racial connection to the (white) Israelites; nor can they rightfully claim the Holy Land; whereas racial Jews do have a right to claim The Holy Land if / by following The Torah. Of course, the same applies to white racial Israelites but only if / by following The Torah. Nice to hear you acknowledge that all other races can be grafted-in and become Israelites.

    Thank you ‘Lasha Darkmoon’ for your article.

    1. New Song

      I am very close to your understanding after having studied this subject for a very long time. I suppose one could say the “Jews” are not a race (as in one from an original source) but if we consider sub racial categories and shared genetics that exclude others then they are a race. Allow me to explain.

      The 3 major racial categories to which all other sub racial categories flow come from Shem (white), Japeth (Asiatics) and Ham (blacks).

      Esau broke the law and mated with a Canaanite which was one of the reasons he lost his birthright and blessings to Jacob who didn’t race mix. The Canaanites had previously mixed with fallen one’s and it was partly for this reason our kin Jesus said that they are from Abraham but their father was the devil (fallen genetics).

      These Esau Jews have their paternal line cut off by the Romans but their maternal line remains when the “Jews” start “official” Judaism saying a “Jew” is to be determined by the mothers not father’s line around 135 AD (which is again against the law). These people are later called the Sephardic (named after Mount Sephard in old Edom).

      Around 800 AD the Sephardic convert the Khazars from Japeth. Over the next 1200 years they mix with them as both mix (to a degree) with white Israelites. Thus the two camps of the “Jews” have white,black and Asiatic genetics in them comprising what could be considered a sub racial grouping due to their shared genetic marker (NDST3) which studies have showed may indeed be the cause of their schizophrenia. It is that marker I believe came from the Canaanites who mixed with the fallen ones.

      Yes, I do believe other races can be grafted into the Israelite/Judaite collective, be saved etc, but it is clear that the Children of the Promise of Jacob/Israel have the exclusive rights to “the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises” (Romans 9:3-4)

      When people say, quoting scripture, consider the fruits not race, it’s like they are saying, look at the fruit produced from an apple tree but don’t make the connection to its source, an apple seed.

      Same goes for humans. Each race has a an original seed (DNA/Race) from which it sprung and each seed will produce certain fruits.

      Israel’s seed (in allegory terms) is that of the wild Olive tree and Judah is considered a cultivated Olive tree. An interesting thing about Olive trees is that it can allow any foreign tree to be grafted into it or it can be grafted into other type trees but the Olive will always produce from the fruits of it’s own root. When wild Olive trees are grafted into cultivated Olive trees (which is what happened in Europe with Israel and Judah) the best characteristics of both are preserved. The root of our white/Israelite tree is Jesus and it supports us, so when the grafting process happens again (with the 144,000) and almost the entire tree is destroyed (almost all the white/Israelite race) the stump (remnant) will be spared upon the root (Jesus) of that tree as it is planted again on our soil (The Land of Israel) according to our promises, blessings.

      I am familiar with Jah’s claim to the Throne of David. Are you familiar with King Edward VIII’s daughter Emily Cragg’s claim?

  54. Speaking of the OT, for all intents and purposes Job and Buddha are one and the same. Both propagate the same indoctrinated thinking that says suffering is good for the soul. When in fact we create our own bane with endless rationalizations rearing their ugly heads.

    “I suffer therefore it must be INTENDED for me to experience its pain. I suffer, therefore I must endure in order to ‘prove’ my love for that which created me. I suffer, therefore I must be put to the test of ‘proving’ my worthiness.”

    In a word: CODSWALLOP!

    We are expressions of the Divine. Its emissaries (L emittere, to send out, EMIT) Its AGENTS, not its SUBJECTS, as in “subject to” the deceptions of religious doctrine! And being its emissaries indicates a spiritual integrity where we are INTEGRAL to the Divine, its CONSTITUENTS, not subjected in submission to the lies of FALSE MASTERS!

    Know this friends:

    To accept suffering as one’s “lot” in life is to fall victim to a great deception which RELINQUISHES SPIRITUAL POWER!

  55. Gilbert

    Suffering for rightness is good. Suffering for evil is simply getting what you deserve. When someone i love hurts me, if I suffer their behavior, showing my love, its good. We ought to suffer one another of our stock and those grafted in through faith and belief because in suffering, love, empathy , unity and so on is increased and besides, if Christ suffered us, should we not suffer one another?

    All wisdom and knoweldge is gained in suffering and if I AM/Jesus doesn’t punish you for doing wrong, how could we claim him as our father because all good fathers punish their children when they do wrong. This doesn’t mean there isn’t room for mercy, forgiveness, grace because there is, for in performing such acts we suffer those who actually deserve punishment so they might love us all the more suffering for them when they should have suffered. If one is running a race, they suffer pain, exhaustion etc but when they cross the finish libe as a winner they begin to receive their reward.

    It’s ALL in the suffering and so it is with us.

    Also, being happy about your suffering at the hands of the enemy doesn’t diminish our spiritual power, it increases it while denying the enemy the evil joy they get for inflicting pain upon us. If they increase their evil methods of inflicting pain on us and it results in us being more happy, how can they possibly win when their spiritual base is depleted as ours expands?

    Every righteous patriarch from Adam to Jesus and beyond suffered willfully.

    “The vast majority of the time when the New Testament mentions suffering, it talks about it as if it is a good thing. Romans 8:17, Colossians 1:24, 2 Timothy 1:8, 2 Timothy 2:3, and Hebrews 2:9-10 all praise suffering, it is a good thing that brings us closer to Jesus. Hebrews 5:8 adds that through suffering we learn obedience, which I suppose is true, if someone was causing me to suffer I would obey them to prevent further suffering. 1 Peter 4:1,13 adds that if you have suffered then you have ceased from sin. The big problem here is that suffering itself is being glorified, instead of the cause or the result of that suffering.”

    As to Buddha, he was a white man. Only later did he start being depicted as a Asiatic easterner. I surmise, Buddha was part of the group of the 12 tribes that traveled as far as India (called Aryans) and it’s for this reason there are so many parallels between Hebrew/Christian-ism and Bhuddism.

    During WW 2, Hitler sent some Germans to India to seek out possible ancient technology of whom they rightly believed were people of their own race who lived in India long ago left behind. The local Indian Buddhist priests recognized the Germans as Aryans who originally brought them their religion and whom were prophesied in their religious writings to return exactly on the day the Germans showed up (much like what happened with Cortez, the Spaniards with regard to Montezuma and the Aztecs believing they were Quetzalcoatl (their white god) returned on that exact day prophesied).

    This link about white Buddha might interest you.

    “The northern and westward migrations of the Twelve Tribes of Israel have been extensively documented in the writings of the British Israel and Christian Identity movements. Most of this research has focused on our European migrations. Recently, however, the southward and eastward movements of our ancestors have come to light, as it is now being realized that the Aryans of India were Shemites and the Parthians of Mesopotamia were descendants of the Twelve Tribes of Israel.”

    1. Tyron

      The suffering of Christ was due to the treachery of those responsible in and for his murder. The conspiracy that condemned him to the crucifixion AND all who were complicit in the entire sordid matter INCLUDING the Roman magistrate.

      Nothing more, nothing less.

      The distinction I am making between Buddha and Christ is a simple one. Experiencing ANY kind of suffering with a mindfulness of Christ is one of ENDURANCE whose experience in THIS reality is ABSENT being in a state of spiritual Truth (ie; existing AS Spirit.)

      Buddha on the other hand would have you believe that suffering IN AND OF ITSELF is “good for the soul”

      A deception of the highest magnitude

      1. P.S.
        Buddha was no white man. My sense is that he is a fictional character invented by the very ENEMY of Man!

      2. Gilbert

        Jesus CHOSE to suffer. He even commented at one point about his people (and his enemies) “How long must I suffer you”? Did he not say that he could simply ask and have legions of angels to protect him just before he went to the Cross? Obviously he ALLOWED the enemy to murder him. Dying for people, sacrificing yourself for someone is the ultimate in suffering and the ultimate expression of love.

        I think your idea of suffering and mine is much different. There isn’t a thing I have gained without suffering in this world and to learn how to suffer correctly might just be the pinnacle of wisdom. There is a time for everything and suffering (like celebrations and happiness) have their legit place.

        Over at the Daily Stormer (where I hang out lately because I’m not persecuted for being a white/European believer who won’t take hypocritical crap from our enemies) Andrew Anglin makes some very astute observations on the psychology of whites and how our sufferings have been key to our greatness. He gives many examples of this with older and contemporary music.
        AA says..

        “I have noted that in the music of Radiohead, we do see melancholia become self-loathing in a way that can be self-destructive. Kurt Cobain obviously just couldn’t take it anymore, though that no doubt had something to do with his horrible Jew wife. And though it is the Jewish social order which has transformed melancholia into a bottomless pit of self-loathing (there is always an element of self-loathing within melancholia), I see nothing Jewish about the emotion in the music itself.

        Beyond this, it appears rather clear that instead of promoting music which is introspective, the Jews who manage the music industry have instead added elements of Negro music to most pop music for the express purpose of removing the melancholia. The baby boomers, the first generation raised on “happy” music, are the generation who sold out our entire civilization in pursuit of a depression-free existence – the fantasy that they could live inside of a Beatles song.”

        Gram Parsons and Emmylou sing “Love Hurts”. Few songs have truer lyrics

      3. Tyron, et al

        Here’s some food for thought:

        We vastly underestimate the extent to which indoctrinations disempower us. Consider that when Jesus queried about his flock asking “how long must I suffer you?” he was voicing his frustration over having to “suffer fools gladly”. Not that he didn’t know this would be the case, however.

        I’m not saying Buddha was literally a fictional character (although I’ve noted on these threads a much greater tendency for commenters to assign that status to Christ rather than Buddha. Funny that) But you have to admit, Buddha as I’ve been portraying him would fit quite nicely as one of the “learned elders”, wouldn’t he?

        Think about it. Christ knew how cunning was the enemy conspiring against him. That through their manipulations the credibility of their authority would remain unassailable; not rejected en masse by those whom he tried to free from an onerous grip. Then comes the crucifixion, after which the ‘victors’ gradually write the history employing a ‘martyr’s spin’ with a certain emphasis on the act of suffering.

        And while to suffer in defense of Truth can be an honorable and valorous position to take, when it is the highlight of entire religious doctrine it amounts to an insubstantial 0+0=0 (valor for valor’s sake) when suffering is indoctrinated into a rationalization of illogic.

        If what came about in his name wasn’t so tragic, Jesus would surely have laughed himself silly.

      4. BrownHawk

        “I’m not saying Buddha was literally a fictional character (although I’ve noted on these threads a much greater tendency for commenters to assign that status to Christ rather than Buddha. Funny that) But you have to admit, Buddha as I’ve been portraying him would fit quite nicely as one of the “learned elders”, wouldn’t he?”

        Yes, and at this time the tribes of Israel were completely immersed in Paganism (worship of fallen angels) which is the brother of Satanism (worship of the chief fallen angel) as exemplified in the Talmud. But that being what it is doesn’t change the fact that these white Israelites held onto some authentic hebreic thought, customs etc. The oldest depictions of Buddha show him as a white man. Over time, they changed their renderings of his true image to their own image.

        This is why one can see elements of true Christianity inside of Buddhism.

        “Then comes the crucifixion, after which the ‘victors’ gradually write the history employing a ‘martyr’s spin’ with a certain emphasis on the act of suffering.”

        All of the oldest texts of the NT are found in Greek- some going back to about 65 AD. There are about 20,000 of these texts that have been discovered from all over the ME and ALL of them agree on the narrative of Christ’s crucifixion and his suffering for his people. It’s not a hoax and the “Jews” had NO place in writing these letters penned by authentic white Israelites of the southern tribes of Judah.

        “And while to suffer in defense of Truth can be an honorable and valorous position to take, when it is the highlight of entire religious doctrine it amounts to an insubstantial 0+0=0 (valor for valor’s sake) when suffering is indoctrinated into a rationalization of illogic.”

        Suffering for one’s people brings unity through love but do not make the mistake that there is no place for the physical sword because there is. The sword is to be used against evil doers. Too many people think that the NT leaves no room for violence but that is complete nonsense. The white Israelites of Judah who followed Jesus were all commanded to buy a sword and all of them did and all of them were armed. Peter mystically “put to death” a couple who had entered the fold and lied about selling all of their possessions to give to the early believers.He said that they didn’t lie to him, they lied to the spirit of I AM/Jesus.

        In Obediah we are commanded to GO TO WAR with the “Esau” Jews and this will take place very soon. Jesus speaks about the time after we have taken over “Israel” commanding his white people believers of Jacob to bring everyone who opposed his rule to his feet where they are PUT TO DEATH right there and then.

        Consider that the ONE time Jesus was violent during his first arrival was when he dealt with the “Jews” in the temple. These money changers were practicing money manipulation by changing the gold/silver content inside of the coins and then rigging the scales so as to steal wealth from the people. He took out a whip and whipped these men, throwing their tables over, destroying their operation in front of everyone. There is really no difference between what the “Jews” were engaged in then and what they are engaged in today with regard to the banking systems.

  56. Someone else may have already mentioned it but when Jesus was referring to “the scriptures” would he not be referring to the OT as the NT was not yet written?

      1. BUT (unless you know of something NO ONE ELSE knows, Pat) – whatever writings of ‘Scripture’ Jesus referred to LATER became ‘Old Testament’. The ‘Old Testament’ would not have had such designation WITHOUT there having been NEW (testaments) recollections of The Christ – who came along, later.

        ‘Old’ testament is called such by virtue of its relativity to what happened AFTER Jesus, i.e., the ‘New’. ( And don’t bother giving me any shit about Jesus being ‘mythical’, please. You waste your time.)

      2. Educated ‘guesses’ are not facts. Yours are only as good as mine – except their bibliographical references (OTHER ‘educated guesses’) may be more numerous… 🙂

      3. Correcto Gil –

        I gotts lottsa guesses.

        Right up there with Newton’s guesses…
        …. theories, which fall apart at neutrino and anti-neutrino level. 😉

        Newton didn’t know about particles, atoms, fields, or a structural hierarchy. He merely took from the engineering experience the impression that it takes a force to make things move and adjusted it with some abstract conditions to make an equation that describes orbital motion. It is extremely practical and useful, but it is a contrived mathematical model. It is not based on direct interactions and is not a valid representation of nature.

        If one were to invent a physics today knowing what we now know he would not invent the one devised by Newton. Nor would he start with Newton’s concepts and make all the modifications by Einstein and the quantum physicists to make a comprehensive theory. Rather, he would take a medium for light and fields, look at the structural hierarchy of matter, leave out all the abstractions, make everything a direct action, and assemble a single cohesive theory.

  57. Dear Tyron Parsons: How TRUE is what you say?
    “The 12 tribes of Israel physically speaking are WHITE/Europeans now at the four corners of the earth, awaiting the time when they are gathered to take over the fake “Jews” of Esau and Ashkenaz’s Satanic JWO.”
    This is what (is left of the) WHITES should accept as their principal RULE!
    And stop inter-breeding with the nigrahs, half-breeds and Jews!
    Notice that little is said about over 35% of the human race in these columns?
    Yeah, the teeming Asians to Australia’s north – you know the Asians that top all the IQ tests! They are usually small in stature so I can belt them up!
    The stories and myths of the Middle East and Europe did NOT get to the Asians!
    Many Australian men are journeying north and bringing back beautiful Asian brides!
    I’ve got a mate in Thailand at present who is trying before he buys. He is going to bring back the best he can find.
    We are sick of the Ellen Degeneres brainwashed females of the West! They are mostly whores!

    1. Great statement Max…

      “The stories and myths of the Middle East and Europe did NOT get to the Asians!”

      Pope did not send them Jesuit perverts, priests and bibles…yet.
      Jews can get a foothold only where bibles prepare the way.

  58. All you gotta know about the OT and NT is the new testament is BANNED in pissrael. I am surprised at Lasha for supporting the OT but she only picked out a few parts. I believe that the jews god in the OT is satan being a mass murdering psycho a jealous spiteful demon who told the jews to practice cannibalism animal eating your own waste child sacrifice infant slaughter banging your own daughters pimping your wife and daughters etc etc. I believe this is why Jesus told the jews their father is and was satan

  59. Can anybody help us on the following: In our time period of 2015 years – are there any written documents of any sort available from the first 400 years and where is it located

  60. Jesus Christ obviously had a deep respect for OT. He quoted from it many times. He showed that marriage was between males and females. He believed in the Biblical account of Noah. He referred to Adam and Eve, he believed in Angels…What I am saying here, he BELIEVED in the OT. Unfortunately even truthers, and you know who you are, make disparing remarks regarding the OT trying to link the habits and diabolical actions of current Jews to the OT. Thus trying to mock the OT as a fable, or lies,… can’t do that. I agree with Lasha Darkmoon and commend her stand against the smart asses posting here thinking they know everything. If it was alright for Jesus, then his belief in the OT was alright with me, if you don’t agree with that go argue that with him.

    Without the OT there would be no NT and no prophecy to be fulfilled.

    One thing you all miss is the theme of the Bible. What is that continuous flowing theme?….GOD’S KINGDOM.
    If you don’t know the theme of the Bible then you should start learning because you’re wasting you time over whether Jesus was a Jew, the white race, the Kahzars or other stupid time consuming nonsense.

    Without the OT you would never know how it was to be accomplished, here in a nut shell is the flow:

    The Kingdom of God and the seed.
    “The Kingdom of God”. Without Jewish interpretation it starts with Gen 3:15 identifying the “seed” of this symbolic “woman”. That seed goes through Abraham, Gen 13:16,  22:18, 2Sam 7:12, John 7:42 Acts 3:25 13:23, Romans 1:3, 4:13,16 Romans 9:7-8, Galatians 3:16, 19, 29….2Timothy 2:8 to finally Rev 12:1-2. That seed becomes the Kingdom of God that Jesus preached about which the book of Daniel spoke about in Dan 2:44  
    44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

    The world as we know it is going to be judged by the man on the white horse Revelation 19:11-21

    11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war……..

    That’s about it in a nut shell. Start taking sides because the man on the White Horse wins…

    1. @ Joe Rizoli

      “Jesus Christ obviously had a deep respect for OT. He quoted from it many times. He showed that marriage was between males and females. He believed in the Biblical account of Noah. He referred to Adam and Eve, he believed in Angels…What I am saying here, he BELIEVED in the OT. Unfortunately even truthers, and you know who you are, make disparaging remarks regarding the OT trying to link the habits and diabolical actions of current Jews to the OT. Thus trying to mock the OT as a fable, or lies,… can’t do that. I agree with Lasha Darkmoon and commend her stand against the smart asses posting here thinking they know everything. If it was alright for Jesus, then his belief in the OT was alright with me, if you don’t agree with that go argue that with him.”

      Well, it’s nice to know I have at least ONE supporter on this website! 🙂

    2. “If it was alright for Jesus, then his belief in the OT was alright with me, if you don’t agree with that go argue that with him.”

      And that is exactly what should be done : arguing with Jesus. If the OT is wrong, then much of Jesus’ ideas are wrong. Jesus simply couldn’t overcome the limitations of his cultural conditioning. We, who are better educated, know that most of the OT is either superstitious or immoral. Who in his right mind nowadays believes in the silly stories of Adam and Eve, Noah and his ark or Jonah in the whale? Jesus believed it all. And major figures of the OT such as Moses, king David and king Solomon were criminals. Yet Jesus spoke highly of them. The essence of Jesus teaching, the imminent coming of the “Kingdom of Heaven” proved to be a flop. The only thing that remains is Jesus’ morals, but they are so unrealistic (“love your enemy”, “turn the other cheek”) that they cannot be practised in the real world. Like it or not, Jesus was not perfect. The greatest impediment to the progress of civilization is the belief in the “infallibility” of certain persons.

      1. You really are out to lunch about Christ, Franklin. I don’t know where to begin so I won’t at all.

  61. Not believing in the Jesus myth, this whole issue does not directly apply to me but I will comment none the less. The fact that there are fine passages to read that lift the spirit is one thing but I have to say, the Jealous god of the old testament is not the same God that Jesus referred to. The jealous, vengeful, judgmental beast in the old testament that requires silly orders mindlessly followed to earn his favor has Jew written all over it. Read any book you want but don’t take ownership of this sick role model for Jewish behavior. I’m sure one can find fine phrases in the Talmud as well. You gonna write a supporting narrative of that?
    I was in a cult once for a short period called “The Way” ministry which believed in tongue speaking and what the founder said about the old and new testament made sense though the overall nature of the organization makes me wonder, to this day, if it wasn’t masonic @core, “The old testament was written for our learning, the new testament was written to us.”
    One sees no link between the approaches of the two gods and for that reason one has to wonder, what was tampered with? Was Jesus just a great man or even just a great political activist turned into something he wasn’t for political reasons much like the Talmud changes the meaning of the Torah for political reasons? I believe, possibly, so. Jesus as believed in, is a myth. Men like myths and don’t want the truth here. Maybe Jesus was Buddha like and lived out all his previous lives and attained Godhead, remembered the old verses taught as a child and knew his audience used them and incorporated them into his “new vision”. Whatever it is, all organized religion is group think and if you think with the group you aren’t thinking for yourself. However, I will say this, what god is, is a big mystery which words can only allude to.Who created us, the soul? Who created him, the God of souls? It’s very hard to imagine something that always existed for we live in a world of creation. IT’S ONE BIG MIND FUCK! Apparently there is a way to find the answer and maybe Jesus found that way of being one with the eternal source and maybe everything he said thereafter, seemed to be coming from a god and so the myths, in a sense, were real, but no, not uniquely so. What Jesus is, had, was is sitting with us in this room right now if we can just be aware of it and then, maybe, when we become aware of it, we will see the yin-yang- everything matters and nothing matters, it’s in your face yet on the other side of town. It’s in a subtle look that you had never before saw or noticed, it’s in the doing with eyes wide open and expectations erased and simply recording the event with scientific scrutiny and being willing to accept anything recorded. God is so much more than words will ever be but words can remind you of him. The appropriate thought at the appropriate time does wonders between friends………… So, to reject the Old Testament or possess it? Well, maybe people are treating both like idols, it’s easy to do. You can find god anywhere so, I guess, Lasha, you’re right. But as soon as you think you have to find him there, you become wrong because he’s everywhere! See what I mean? 🙂

    1. @ Mind Controlled Slave


      Thanks for your input. I am not an uncritical admirer of the Old Testament in its entirety, as I have explained repeatedly, but only of certain selected texts (e.g., The Book of Ecclesiastes and the Book of Job in which I can see no harm. I have challenged the OT haters to step forward and point out any evil in the passages I quoted from the Book of Ecclesiastes. No one was able to do so.

      I am only too aware that the OT is full of the most objectionable passages. I will quote a few such passages for you now. Fasten your seat belt!

      “They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.” Numbers 31:7-18

      ”As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labour. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.” Deuteronomy 20:10-14

      “When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamoured of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her…However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it.” Deuteronomy 21:10-14

      “When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.’” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.” Judges 21:10-24

      “Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.” (Zechariah 14:1)

      And this, justifying child murder in the Psalms of David of all places:

      “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” (Ps. 137:9)

      There are many other bad things one could find in the OT. The story of Abraham and Isaac is one such. What sort of God is it, I wonder, who asks a father to cut the throat of his own son to prove his loyalty to him? And what sort of man is Abraham that he should be willing to obey the arbitrary dictates of such an unreasonable and bloodthirsty God? And then what happens? The same God cancels the whole operation at the last moment. “Hey, relax! No need to kill your son! I was just testing you!”

      Anyone who admires this sort of behavior nowadays simply has to be mentally and spiritually bankrupt.

      So you see, my friend, my views on the Old Testament are a bit more nuanced than you think.

      1. Lasha –

        You reveal your youth. You have NO idea of Yin and Yang (although you would attest otherwise). God (if He is ‘God’) may pick and choose that which He wishes. THAT IS A PRIVILEDGE OF BEING [a] god. If you have no concept of that circumstance, you know not GOD.

        1. @ Gilbert Huntly

          Not quite sure what you are getting at. I quoted a few Old Testament passages I found disturbing. Are you saying you approve of them?

      2. Without disturbance, there is no stimulation. God establishes His supremacy. He enforces His rank. IF I were ordered, directly, by God, what choice would I have but to OBEY?? So it is with Abraham/so it must be with ME. (I just have to be damn careful with what ‘I hear’! 🙂 )

      3. So Gilby, if I understand correctly, the notion of morality is pointless, just couple of contrasting colors of Ying and Yang. God is the boss and does as he pleases, we must kowtow regardless due to his rank.

        A real man recognizes this immorality as desirable and acts accordingly.

        Murder, rapine, swindles, all is allowed if God bestowed sufficiently high ranking on you, ie, made you his Chosen.

        I think I get it.

      4. I think it is important to realize that there are things I have questions about in the Bible but remember, Jesus Christ proved that he was quite suited to answer all our concerns, he did it in the book of Luke 24 after his resurrection. He answered his apostles with specific answers that says in Luke 24:31-32

        31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. [32] And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

        If Jesus can make people “hearts burn” with answers to the OT prophecies and Scriptures he should be able to answer all our concerns being posted here, and by you Lasha.
        The Apostle Paul also showed how scriptures were fulfilled by expounding many times about the real meaning of Scripture. So basically what I am saying is God reveals the interpretation of Scriptures to those whom he wants. Just be patient but don’t be the fool that tries to tell the Master potter how to do his job Or mock his actions. Our eyes will hopefully be opened soon.

  62. (Pardon me, please… I had to attend to something else, then fell asleep…)
    No, Lobro. You know the ‘notion of morality’ is NOT pointless. However, what I’m trying to point out is that the stories related in the Bible are simply there to demonstrate our RELATIVITY to [a] [god] God in the scheme of things. Remember, those stories were written by MEN – not by God. The more vividly distasteful, the more illustrative (maybe??)… 🙂

    1. i willingly defer to those who didn’t fall asleep through their catechism unlike yours truly and who can interpret with some confidence.

      the trouble with relativity is that it is many-sided and others interpret it the way it suits them, with equally qualified claims and jew lawyers are masters of their craft, this is what their entire lives are all about.
      i have no wish other than to put as much distance between their thinking and mine, thus my aversion to sharing anything at all with them.

      maybe haman’s ears tarts are truly a mouth watering delicacy.
      but show me one and watch me puke.
      sorry, weak stomach, i guess.

      anyway, i will cease + desist from further antagonizing old testament defenders.
      everybody knows my position on the subject and that should suffice.

      1. @ Lobro

        anyway, i will cease + desist from further antagonizing old testament defenders. everybody knows my position on the subject and that should suffice.

        Your views on the Old Testament are more than welcome. They have helped me to modify my own views and to realize that the OT is not exactly a bed of roses.

        I don’t wish to give offense to our charming friend Gilby, a man I personally respect and admire, but I have to take issue with him for his extreme advocacy of the Old Testament God. Quite frankly, such a fire-and-brimstone God gives me the creeps. Why bother creating us, the goyim, if all we are fit for is to become slaves and beasts of burden to his Chosen People?

      2. lash, i will speak plainly because it may be that my main point got lost in morass of fancy talk.
        reading your ecclesiastes, i was struck by the line that moved you to tears, namely the one drilling you with god-fear as the essence of faith (can’t quite remember how it goes).

        and this runs totally counter to what i see in jesus, namely him rejecting those who would follow out of vested interests, ie, the old carrot and stick approach.
        he wanted free men, not abject slaves to greed and fear.

        the old testament is replete with this “pulling the rank” stuff that gilby refers to, a strictly militaristic approach, yours is to obey the law, never question, never think, leave it your betters.
        even if there were no jews in the world, i would be revolted by this ideology of blind+dumb obedience, like a dog that heels, fetches, rolls over and plays dead on command.

        and i ask you (“you” rhetorically, meaning “anybody”), what kind of god would enjoy that, a show of wind-up tin soldiers goose-stepping exactly as programmed?
        i would have even less respect for such a god than he would for me.
        this god would condemn any free thinking outside the box, any creativity and this is precisely the damning limitation of all the jews, from abraham onwards, too cowardly to pose any questions.

        if you choose to accept an arbitrary god with no sense of justice, a god perfectly at home with cruelty towards the innocents, you get what you deserve, namely, to whom do you appeal for fairness if he suddenly turns on you despite a lifetime of slavish obedience?
        you yourself would be the first to agree that he’s got the rank that is above fairness and justice and rules entirely on whim.

        maybe he decides that it is more fun to quaff booze with lobro who never did anything but piss on him all his life (“piss jehovah”, my favorite artwork) and you just keep pushing that giant mill-stone as told.

        no, i do not buy the fear thing – think it through.

        1. @ Lobro

          Well, I don’t disagree with anything you have said above. Except to point out that your whole concept of God here appears to be that of a transcendent God: a kind of omnipotent medieval tyrant who has to be slavishly obeyed — or else it’s off with your head! This is what the Jewish God appears to be: a transcendent God, a creator God quite separate from the creatures he is said to have created. Christians however believe very strongly in Gods’s immanence.

          This is the idea that God is not OUTSIDE you and SEPARATE from you, but INSIDE you. As Christ said, “The kingdom of heaven is within you.” And in the Quran it says something very similar: “God is closer than the neck bone.”

          Homer would understand me and sympathize with me. You would understand, but I doubt if you would sympathize. This is because you have never really lived the religious life of strict discipline and austerity on a daily basis, but have been too busy chopping logic and living a worldly life. To you, God is always on trial — and he never quite meets your high standards of jurisprudence! He is always in the dock! 🙂

          No offense intended of course. Just speaking frankly.

          Pascal, inventor of the calculus, said: “The heart has its reasons of which reason itself knows nothing” — which puts the deists in their place! And John Polkinghorne, scientist and theologian, has managed to reconcile Christianity with quantum physics.

          You should study Polkinghorne. Many things he has said you could have said yourself. His most penetrating insights on free will and the problem of evil sound extremely Lobroesque. 🙂

          Thus He writes:

          “The well-known free will defence in relation to moral evil asserts that a world with a possibility of sinful people is better than one with perfectly programmed machines. The tale of human evil is such that one cannot make that assertion without a quiver, but I believe that it is true nevertheless. I have added to it the free-process defence, that a world allowed to make itself is better than a puppet theatre with a Cosmic Tyrant.”

          Cosmic Tyrant! This is precisely the God we have been talking about and which you rightly reject. It is the God of the Old Testament.

      3. “and i ask you (“you” rhetorically, meaning “anybody”), what kind of god would enjoy that, a show of wind-up tin soldiers goose-stepping exactly as programmed?”

        An imperfect god with human weaknesses and traits…and flaws.

        Not mine.

      4. @ Lasha Darkmoon

        Not only is the God of the Old Testament a “Cosmic Tyrant”, the same holds true for the merciless God of reformer Calvin, who “predestinates” every soul either to eternal damnation or to salvation, independently of personal behavior.
        The Islamic Allah also “guides or leads astray whom He wills”, as can be seen from the following surahs :

      5. Cosmic Tyrant! This is precisely the God we have been talking about and which you rightly reject. It is the God of the Old Testament.

        so there you (we) have it.
        the god of old testament is not the god of jesus (merciful father, etc, never been referred to nor ever demonstrated as such in o/t).
        in fact, it can be safely said that the god of jesus is the polar opposite of the god of old testament.

        people ought to recognize and accept this clean bifurcation and be aware of the choice they made.
        you choose jehovah of old testament, you got no right to claim you keep company with jesus.

        and all the talk about jesus reads talmud standing up or whatever, is just so much pernicious bunk.
        end of discussion.

        and i can make the above statements without ever saying that i am a christian or not, quite irrelevant to the outcome which is based solely on clear reading of the testaments.

        can’t serve TWO (ie, definitely not one and the same) masters, as i recall.

      6. lobro –

        Maybe BIG CHANGES are on the way….we shall see in a MONTH…. if OT god and Jews get what they deserve from Aton.
        Ron Chapman
        March 2, 2015 at 7:22 am

        G’day Pilgrims,
        Be of good cheer, the Jews have made life on Earth sooo bad it’s all gonna be made good, and soon. Maduro and his government has just foiled yet another bloody US coup in Venezuela and the Novorussians have just given the Jews’ Kiev Junta military a hiding at Debaltsevo The USraelis and their cohorts are about to launch their final assault on al Assad and the Syrian people which should cause Russia and Iran to stop pussy footing about and finally give the Judaic Empire of Chaos the military hiding that it sorely needs.

        —(skipped for space)

        But the big news is that Christ Michael Aton, the owner of this planet, is fed up with the Jews and the mess they have made here, and he’s coming to take the planet back. Look for it later this month. It wlll be preceeded by a burst of energy that will enlighten those who want it, and shake the bejabbers out of those who don’t. See
        Lasha Darkmoon
        March 2, 2015 at 2:19 pm

        @ Ron Chapman
        Ron, I look forward to reading the article on your excellent website. I sincerely hope big changes are on the way — including apocalyptic ones!

  63. @Lobro

    Lobro, I try not to get carried away with my own ‘interpretations’ – but reading the Bible (which I do, daily, and always find new meaning and message!) has led me to the realization that, if a Creator created us ‘in His own image’, are not OUR emotions similar to HIS?? Can’t He love, hate, be moved to anger, be merciful, take pity, etc., etc. ? My conclusion is that it is best to be RESPECTFUL of Him. (If He doesn’t exist as such, what’s wrong with being respectful, in general, anyway??) The world could do with a lot more “general respectfulness” and respectability. Lasha’s literal interpretation surprises me, and I hope she will eventually perceive more to it.

    Earlier in this thread, a comment alluded to a passage concerning some woman boiling her child. The commenter expressed it in relation to his disdain of King David (it was a story which takes place subject to David’s reign). Many things come before kings, just as many unseemly and distasteful things present themselves to US during our lives. David, a manly man and soldier and king (and loved by The Lord), demonstrated his horror by ‘renting his clothes’ – then he DEALT with it in a wise fashion. THOSE stories give us perspective. To me, they are meant to illustrate rather than horrify. For me, they work well.

    All Scripture is given to us for edification and example. We can take it, or leave it. (You already know MY choice…)

  64. “Does the girl in the picture above, who is reading the Old Testament, look evil and dangerous to you?”

    While the reading of the old covenant is not evil in itself, don’t forget to look at the intent of the heart of the person who is reading it. Remember, Satan appears as an angel of light.

  65. The question is simply this.Who is the Father God of Jesus Christ and who is the Father g_d of the Jews?
    John 8:44 Jesus Christ speaking
    Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    So the rabbinical Jews told us that their national g_d is the true and only g_d is yehowa or the tetragrammaton yhwh.
    Now knowing that Jews are big time liars having no truth in them their father is no other than satan or hashem and this is exactly what the jewish kabbala teaches.

    So was it wise to not draw a line between the OT and the New Testament which the Jews reject as they reject Christ and the Christians even if some of them are serving the Jews with a burning passion? No it was not cause the Jews made a party membership out of the Old Testament with footnotes ind perverted scofield bible or the cults like the sda,yehova witnesses ,mormons which are all jewish kabbalistic cults and are a nosering for many pseudo Christians.
    Instead of serving Jesus Christ alone they decited to serve mainly the Jews.
    Thats the reason why the warnings against the Jews from the OT and the NT are not preached from the pupils anymore, cause it would be hardcore antisemitism!Thats the reason why verses like 2. Samuel 12:30-31 have been falsified, cause it would be hardcore antisemitism to say that david was a mass murder. Moloch is such a satan figure whome the jews sacrificed there own children to.

    So is the OT not used, maybe wrong misinterpreted as a racist, supremacist book and the root to the Talmud. They perverted even the ten commandments to 613 commandments and prohibitions. So the OT and the Zohar is often misused as a blueprint for Jewish wars and benefits and the OT is often preached in contrary to the teachings of Jesus. The foundation of the OT is questionable and most likely perverted by the Jews. Read for instance “Die große Täuschung” from Friedrich Delitzsch . (german)

    As a Christian i can rely on Jesus Christ alone and therefor on the New Testament only. The bible is not the only logos of God. There is so much more..And by the way I do not believe that Jesus was a Jew as Jews on one hand claim while condemning him in boiling excrements in their Talmud. Jesus came from Galilee a gentile enclave. I believe that the nationalistic g_d of the Jews, Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH have nothing in common with the All-Father of Jesus Christ the true God the one God.
    And if the evangelical clergy can reinvent the gospel speaking of a new theology after Auschwitz and the New Religion of Jews and Christians called the Holocaust religion as an infallible dogma and a fabricated history of the last 100 years which is based on lies as a unique selling point for the Jews and their claims conference; why not question the unholy alliance of the Judeo Christian establishment and their leadership which have been perverted by the Babylonian Talmud and the oxymoron of a Jewish and Christian brotherhood!

  66. Lasha,

    I was thinking about this last night and believe there might be common grounds between you and Mr Kaminski.

    This is because if the theory of evolution is true (which I do not believe to be the case, but almost all Christian denominations today accept it, with the notable exception of the Seventh Day Adventists), then we have to say that Genesis Chapters 1-11 are basically myths. You and JK could agree on this.

    You will part ways, however, with regard to the respect you choose to accord to those myths. So JK will find them repugnant while you might say they are useful and edifying.

    Does that make sense?

    I believe the evidence for the historicity of the Israelites in Egypt is objectively true, and therefore reject JK’s claims against this.

    Likewise the evidence for the NT is objectively true, despite many discrepancies in the text (eg birth narratives of Luke and Matthew).

    The real problem for believers, in my view, is that Jesus makes many statements that seem to affirm the historicity of Genesis 1-11, therefore putting Him at odds with the current Christian attitude to accepting the claims of Darwinism (eg Pope John Paul II, whom I call ‘Aint Pope John Paul the ape rather than Saint Pope John Paul the Great, since he green lighted evolution and placed an enormous stumbling block to faith in front of the atheists).

    The only way around this, I suppose, is to say that Jesus speaks allegorically about Adam and Eve, Noah’s Flood, Sodom and Gemorah, Jonah and the whale, and then fulfills literally all these allegories.

    What do you think?


    1. @ Michael

      The only way around this, I suppose, is to say that Jesus speaks allegorically about Adam and Eve, Noah’s Flood, Sodom and Gemorah, Jonah and the whale, and then fulfills literally all these allegories.

      What do you think?

      I tend to agree. If the stories in the Old Testament have any meaning at all, they would have to be allegorical. I don’t think a real serpent tempted Eve and brought about the Fall of Man!

      In regard to Noah’s ark, it would have to be a pretty big ark to accommodate every single species of animal in the world. In fact, it would have to be the biggest zoo in the world, since all the animals would have to be kept in cages or otherwise they would tear each other apart! The whole idea is frankly absurd and I don’t even know if an allegorical meaning can be put to it. One thing is for sure: the Old Testament Jews were certainly not lacking in imagination or storytelling ability.

      As for the stories in the New Testament, one could find fault with them too. Bertrand Russell found it hard to understand why Christ should curse the fig tree and tell it “You will never grow figs again!” After all, the fig tree had done nothing wrong. It had failed to produce figs when Christ commanded it to do so — but, as Russell pointed out, it was not the right season for figs!

      The story of the Gadarene swine also elicited Russell’s wrath. Okay, they were possessed by demons. But Christ could have exorcised the demons without making them run over the cliff and fall to their death in the ravine below. “Cruelty to animals!” Russell suggested. Yep, PETA should have been called in to investigate! 🙂

      And so we go round the mulberry bush . . .

      1. So do you find the miracles in the NT more credible for some reason than those reported in the Old Testament?

        And if so, why?


        I encourage you to look at these links (out of thousands available) to recognize that the Genesis 1-11 depictions of the pre-Flood world were not legendary exaggerations but were scientific truth.

        This is the exact problem with Christianity today. In proclaiming Jesus as Savior while denigrating or ignoring the reality of the Creation as depicted in Genesis and as described and affirmed by Christ, it turns Jesus into a sorcerer and magician.

        Paul said that Jesus engrafts Gentiles into the Olive Tree of Israel. By denying Creation history, you are cutting yourselves off from this Tree and creating just another kind of cult of witchcraft and gnosticism.

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