The Old Testament: For and Against — A debate between Christopher Jon Bjerknes and Lasha Darkmoon (Part 1)

This 2-part article gives you the two sides of the Old Testament debate: for and against.

In Part 1, Christopher John Bjerknes launches an all-out attack on the Old Testament and tell you why he thinks this is an evil and dangerous book. Bjerknes can be described as an unabashed and indeed virulent anti-Semite.  He takes the line that the Jews themselves are an evil race, without any redeeming features, and that the Old Testament is one of the earliest manifestations of that intrinsic evil.  

In Part 2 of the article, Lasha Darkmoon attempts to counter these extreme views and puts in a good word for the Old Testament. She points out that Christianity rises out of the soil of Judaism and that any radical rejection and repudiation of the Old Testament leaves Christianity in ruins. The Bible, she also argues, is the holy book of 2.1 billion Christians: they cannot all be wrong to read the first half of the Bible, the Old Testament, with respect and appreciation.  

Readers are welcome to listen to both sides of the argument and make up their own minds.

— Editor John Scott Montecristo  

Part 1: Why I Hate the Old Testament

. . . by   Christopher Jon Bjerknes 

The Universal Enslavement of the Non-Jew:
The Ancient Jewish Plan for World Domination found in the Old Testament

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The Mossad has set up a network of agents and Sayanim in Canada and America who dominate the “alternative media” as talk show hosts, talk show callers, correspondents, message board pests, and controlled opposition anti-Zionists. The mission of these phonies is to turn our attention away from the existential threat the Jewish People pose to humanity, and to buy the Jews enough time to destroy us.

These Jews deny that World Jewry has for 2,500 years planned to take over the World and then use this power to destroy and then exterminate the Goyim. The Jews and crypto-Jews scapegoat Catholics, Muslims, Secret Societies, the Americans, the Russians, the Iranians, Chabad Lubavitchers, Zoharites, Talmudists, Cabalists, etc. ad nauseam, but never state the plain truth that the Jewish People as a whole have always been a parasitic and poisonous plague on humanity and that they are hell-bent on exterminating the human race.

These Jews and crypto-Jews constantly attempt to paint the Jews, themselves, as if victims of what has always been, and what continues to be, the crimes of the totality of the Jewish People against the human race resulting directly from their collective Jewish religion, their collective Jewish politics, their collective Jewish spirit of segregationism, racism, hatred and supremacism for their entire Jewish history. These Jews and crypto-Jews attempt to divert our attention away from the fact that the Jewish People as a whole, and as an ancient plague, have mass murdered hundreds of millions of non-Jews, destroyed countless civilizations, stolen the wealth of hundreds of nations, and brought war, famine, devastating revolution and genocide to every corner of the Earth, and that the Jews have always pursued these very same goals as the Jews themselves attest in their Old Testament.

These Jews and crypto-Jews constantly attempt to fault the terrible Talmud and cruddy Cabalah for the very same attitudes iterated in the Old Testament, which they hold holy and good, and in so doing attempt to excuse the Jewish People, who in fact collectively worship their genocidal Jewish God through the lens of the Talmud, the Cabalah and the Old Testament. These lying Jews create artificial and false distinictions between Jewish sects, each of which revere the whole of Jewish religious thought including Talmud and Cabalah.

The “Zoharites” and “Talmudists” are not the only Jews to view the Cabalah and Talmud as holy books. All major Jewish sects view these books as holy. The “true Torah” Jews not only hold the Talmud and Cabalah to be holy books, they include the Talmud as a part of the Torah, the most important part of the Torah. These Jews who are held up as if good and friendly Jews believe that the Talmud is the most important and revered part of the Torah, despite the lies our Jewish and crypto-Jewish friends tell us about their fellow Jews.

Beyond this childish and ridiculous Cabal of lying Jews, the main stream media ridicule the view that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion could in any way reflect the intentions and actions of the Jewish People, but there is little to be found in that document by way of a plan for World domination, which was not first iterated some 2,500 years ago in the Jewish Old Testament. The lying Jews claim that the accusation that Jews are engaged in a struggle for World domination and World government is an “anti-Semitic canard”, but this plan is plainly stated throughout the ancient Jewish Old Testament.

Let me here begin demonstrating this fact, already known to most Jews despite their public lies, by quoting the words of the Jews’ most revered mythical King, the murderous and treacherous snake of a man, King David, who conspired to murder a man named Uriah, who was loyally battling for David, so that David could then steal Uriah’s widowed wife from his butchered corpse (II Samuel 11). The perverse Jewish mentality reveals itself in the fact that the Jews’ favorite king was a murderous and treacherous snake. Note that most Jews venerate the snake, King David, just as most Jews suffer from the perverse Jewish mentality which allows them to celebrate genocide every year on the Jews’ favorite holiday, the Jewish festival of Purim, at which festival the Jews engage in pretend cannibalism by eating “Haman’s ears”.

We find that the Jewish book revered by almost all Jews, the Songs of David, Psalms 2, states:

1  Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

For 2,500, the Jewish People, not just the Zoharites and the Talmudists, but the collective whole of the Jewish People have anxiously awaited the arrival of this genocidal Jewish king who will exterminate the Goyim. This plan predates the Zohar by at least 1,700 years and predates the Talmud by at least 700 years.

Continuing the snake King’s song, Psalm 18:40-50 states:

40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me.

41 They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not.

42 Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.

43 Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me.

44 As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me.

45 The strangers shall fade away, and be afraid out of their close places.

46 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.

47 It is God that avengeth me, and subdueth the people under me.

48 He delivereth me from mine enemies: yea, thou liftest me up above those that rise up against me: thou hast delivered me from the violent man.

49 Therefore will I give thanks unto thee, O LORD, among the heathen, and sing praises unto thy name.

50 Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore.

Psalm 72: 8-11 states:

8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.

9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.

10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.

11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

Psalm 110:1-7 states:

1  The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

7  He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.

Lest any be deceived by the lying Jews who will claim that no Jew today believes in this hateful and genocidal mythology, let them read The Jewish Utopia by the Jew Micheal Higger; or bear witness to the words of first Prime Minister of the Jewish State of Israel, David Ben-Gurion:

With the exception of the USSR as a federated Eurasian state, all other continents will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a Shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the seat of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah.

We will not save ourselves from the extermination curse of the mythological Jewish God by romanticizing with lies about the nature and mission of the Jewish People, which has always been to dominate and destroy human life. We must face this threat head on and put an end to genocidal Jewish aggression against humanity. In a future article, I intend to quote what Ben-Gurion’s prophet Isaiah said, and how he planned for the Jewish people to enslave the Gentiles, steal their wealth, and then exterminate them leaving none alive in the “new earth” which will only know the “elect”, the Jews, that is.

Let all who doubt ponder the tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, the Jewish Communists mass murdered in the Soviet Union, Communist China and Communist Cambodia. Pay special attention to the fact that the Jews target the brightest and the best in the initial waves of their genocide so as to leave the Goyim genetically inferior and leaderless. That is the perverse mentality of the Jewish People at work in our modern World.

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Part 2 of the debate, “In Defense of the Old Testament” by Lasha Darkmoon, will follow in a few days.

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201 thoughts on “The Old Testament: For and Against — A debate between Christopher Jon Bjerknes and Lasha Darkmoon (Part 1)

  1. A very interesting argument and there is nothing that I can disagree with per se. However, I read the old testament with a very large grain of salt. There are some books, such as the Song of Solomon, Proverbs that have spiritual value. I know this is only the first part of the debate, but mention should be made of the Apocrypha. For example, Esdras and Maccabees are Jewish racism at its worst, but Sirach is a beautiful book which I regard as a spiritual road map to achieving Wisdom. BTW, wisdom is described as feminine and is, of course, the origin of the Greek word Sophia, meaning Wisdom.
    The Talmud has some very evil comments about Jesus Christ and they acknowledge putting Jesus to death. I am a Buddhist, thus I do not see Jesus Christ as part of any Trinity. Remember the doctrine on the Trinity was only decided at the Council of Nicea more than 300 years after Christ and only by a very narrow vote. The losers of course had to flee for their lives. I do believe that Jesus was what the Thervada Buddhists would call an Arahat, one who will not be reborn. Now the Pali Dhammapada has some very strong comments on those who harm Arahats. One can read them in Chapter 26! Thus to a Theravadim the Jews putting Jesus to death would be the murder of an Arahat and those guilty of it would incur horrific Karma.
    The old Catholic doctrine before Pope John 23rd’s public apology was that the Jews were guilty of Deicide. Overall one cannot regard the entire Old Testament as one single book, but many books, by many different authors, full of contradictions, but nevertheless containing some pearls of wisdom!

    1. An arhat is one who has striven for enlightenment only for himself. Considering Jesus’ great altruism, I think the Mahayana term bodhisattva would be more apposite.

      1. Franklin, You are correct up to a point. However, to imply that someone who is””selfish” can become enlightened is not possible! Remember, the Mahayana school only came into being about 500 years after the Buddha. The Dalai Lama has gone on record as saying once a Theravadim becomes an arahant he is automatically a Mahayanist! Unlike the rancor between the various branches of Christianity there is none between the Theravadim and Mahayanist. In fact, in Thailand where I live I have met Bhutanese, Chinese and Japanese monks in the Buddhist University where I teach. Thomas Merton, whom I sure you are familiar with, stayed there prior to his tragic death! The Buddha in fact taught that teaching is the greatest miracle and that the miracles of Psychic power and foretelling the future are useless.
        In my opinion the greatest miracles of Jesus Christ are the Sermon on the Mount and the Lord’s prayer! Absolutely the teaching of a spiritual genius. It seems to me that religions nowadays, including Buddhism, worship the messenger rather than the following the message. Evangelism is nothing more than emotionalism and mass hysteria. St. Theresa of Avila in her writings was critical of what she called false mysticism and this is the modern evangelical movement. They do not follow the injunctions of Jesus to pray in secret. There are a number of Catholic Orders which do so and also the hesychasts in the Eastern Orthodox who avail themselves of the famous Jesus Prayer. I’m sure a man of your obvious erudition is familiar with these movements.
        Returning to Sermon on the Mount this is the essence of Christianity and there is definitely nothing like it in the old Testament!

    2. Declaring a dogma by the Catholic church does not mean it is a newly found belief in that particular period. The reason for declaring the Holy Trinity doctrine and the Nicene Creed in the 3rd century is due to the threat of heresies of arianism, manaechism, donatism, agnosticism etc. And this is also the same reason for the declaration of the Canon of Scriptures – The Latin Vulgate, the Holy Bible (minus the perverted protestant-evangelical bibles) in the 4th century, because there were so many heretical books circulating that claimed to be divinely inspired books written by the apostles but are proven to be false. The Holy Trinity was already a belief in Sacred Tradition before Rome was converted in the 3rd century as confirmed by the early church fathers and ancient Christians, that indeed there are “THREE DIVINE PERSON yet one GOD.” As indeed the HOLY TRINITY was taught in the Bible, albeit in seminal form. Below are compilations of the early church fathers’ ancient Christian writings as early as 1st century AD. This is the sole reason for their persecution and martyrdom. FYI, The Catholic church is a 3 legged stool – Sacred Tradition, Scripture and Magisterium. We do not believe in “sola scriptura” or “scripture alone” since it is a heresy, a contradiction and nowhere found in the bible (unbiblical):

      The Didache

      “After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).

      Ignatius of Antioch

      “[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God” (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]). “For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit” (ibid., 18:2).

      Justin Martyr

      “We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein” (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).

      Theophilus of Antioch

      “It is the attribute of God, of the most high and almighty and of the living God, not only to be everywhere, but also to see and hear all; for he can in no way be contained in a place. . . . The three days before the luminaries were created are types of the Trinity: God, his Word, and his Wisdom” (To Autolycus 2:15 [A.D. 181]).

      Irenaeus

      “For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit” (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]).

      The Holy TRINITY is ultimately a deep mystery, impossible for the human mind to comprehend. Yet GOD undeniably reveals Himself the way in the Bible. Many Scriptural passages mention all these three Divine Persons, but the most direct biblical evidence is found in those passages of Holy Scriptures where God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit are called God, and are all described as possessing the same property divine attributes, such as eternally, power, glory, and so forth. Below are the passages that strongly describe all three in most Divine attributes;

      Who raised Jesus from the dead? The HOLY TRINITY…

      The Father:

      Galatians 1:1

      Paul an apostle—sent neither by human commission nor from human authorities, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead—

      1 Thessolonians 1:10

      10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath that is coming.

      The Son:

      John 10:17-18

      17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again. 18 No one takes[a] it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father.”

      The Holy Spirit:

      Romans 8:11

      11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through his Spirit that dwells in you.

      Who dwells in believers? The HOLY TRINITY…

      The Father:

      1 Corinthians 3:16-17

      16 Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

      The Son:

      John 14:20

      20 On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

      John 17:23

      23 I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

      1 John 3:24

      24 All who obey his commandments abide in him, and he abides in them. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit that he has given us.

      The Holy Spirit:

      Romans 8:9

      9 But you are not in the flesh; you are in the Spirit, since the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

      1 Corinthians 2:12

      12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit that is from God, so that we may understand the gifts bestowed on us by God.

      The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit:

      1 John 4:12-16

      12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God lives in us, and his love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in HIM and HE in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father has sent his Son as the Savior of the world. 15 God abides in those who confess that Jesus is the Son of God, and they abide in God. 16 So we have known and believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and those who abide in love abide in God, and God abides in them.

      Who search minds and hearts? The HOLY TRINITY…

      The Father:

      Jeremiah 17:10

      10 I the Lord test the mind and search the heart, to give to all according to their ways, according to the fruit of their doings.

      The Son:

      Revelation 2:23

      23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve.

      The Holy Spirit:

      1 Corinthians 2:10

      10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.

      As we can see, all three possessed the same Divinity. All three manifested the same glory and power; all are proven to be three Distinct Person Yet proven to be ONE GOD.

      Now some may object that there are passages suggesting that the Father is greater than the SON, so how come they are equal in power?

      John 14:28 “The Father is greater than I”

      1 Corinthians 15:28 “When all things are subjected to Him, the Son Himself will also be subjected to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be everything to everyone.”

      Answer: No! It is absolutely wrong! These passages should not be understood in this way. In the light of passage like for example as Philippians 2:5-8 says;

      Philippians 2:5-8

      5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death— even death on a cross.

      It only shows us that Jesus in John 14:28 was speaking strictly in terms of His office/purpose as Messiah, which entailed a temporary giving up of certain DIVINE PREROGATIVES. Jesus subjected himself to the Father in order to undertake His role as the incarnate son and Mediator between God and man. But Jesus remains God, even while “humbling” Himself by becoming a man. Indeed, that He had to lower Himself to become man implies that Jesus was indeed DIVINE.

      The scripture also confirms that indeed the Father is, in certain sense, “SUBJECT” to the Son;

      John 16:15

      “All that the Father has is MINE, therefore I said that He will take what is mine and declare it to you.”

      In 1 Corinthians 11:3, the Father is indeed called the “head” of the Son, but this is to be understood in the same sense in which the Bible tells wives to be submissive to their husbands, even though the two are equals, and indeed, “one flesh.” The scripture also says that Jesus was “subject” to Mary and Joseph his Parents.

      Luke 2:51

      51 Then he went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them. His mother treasured all these things in her heart.

      Besides, submissiveness or servant hood is not presented as a sign of inferiority in for even the MASTER should also serve.

      Matthew 23:11

      “He who is greatest among you shall be your servant”

      The Greek word for “greatest” is “MEIZON”, also used in John 14;28. Moreover, in 1 Corinthians 15:28, the subjection spoken of is that of the Son as incarnate. But this is not absolutely INEQUALITY, since Colossians proclaims JESUS is greatest of ALL!!!

      Colossians 3:11

      “Christ is all, and in ALL.”

      The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

      The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (GOD).

      2 Corinthians 13:14

      May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

      Hebrews 9:14

      14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to worship the living God!

      1. @ Just

        Thank you for this valued contribution. Apologies for slight delay in publication, but all first comments go for automatic monitoring.

  2. The disciples, evangelists, st. paul, the followers of Jesus were mainly jews. Jesus himself was born and raised a jew in a jewish culture and tradition. To a canaanite woman imploring him he first tells he hadn’t come for the gentiles but ‘only for the lost sheep of Israel’(Mat 15, 24). For all those reasons, he had to show them an explicit link between the torah and himself. To the jews only, not to the gentiles who wouldn’t know what to do with it because they didn’t have that heavy traditional baggage to carry. These were following him, not because of some obscure title given to him as ‘messiah’ or ‘emmanuel’ or other incomprehensible concepts, but because grace opened their heart.

    The apostles, evangelists, being jews, started on their journey preaching the ‘good news’ by following the path of the diaspora: wherever there was a synagogue or a jewish community, they would have a base to preach from, people with a common tradition and background.

    All the way to Rome. This is why the torah remained stuck to the new testament, without anyone wondering if there was any use for it.

    Personally I can perceive the message of Jesus without any reference to the old testament. After all the hindu, Buddhist, sufi teachings do not sit on the torah.

    Then again, when you want to fill your thoughts with god, you pick a spiritual book and read it. To those who have been reading the old testament or psalms all their life, who am I to suggest they quit?

    1. Jesus was NOT a jew.
      He was a Judean…like Californian.

      http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm

      THE TRUTH ABOUT KHAZARS (the so-called Jews)

      By Benjamin H. Freedman: ‘A Jewish man writes about the Jews’

      “Without any fear of contradiction based upon fact the most competent and best qualified authorities all agree today that Jesus Christ was not a so-called or self-styled “Jew”. They do confirm that during His lifetime Jesus was known as a “Judean” by His contemporaries and not as a “Jew”, and that Jesus referred to Himself as a “Judean” and not as a “Jew”. During His lifetime here on earth Jesus was referred to by contemporary historians as a “Judean” and not as a “Jew.” Contemporary theologians of Jesus whose competence to pass upon this subject cannot challenge by anyone today also referred to Jesus during his lifetime here on earth as a “Judean” and not as a “Jew”.”

      and

      http://72.52.208.92/~gbpprorg/obama/benjamin-h-freedman-1961-speech.html

      -flek

      1. @ Flek

        I already tackled this hickup extensively lower down on the list, after Anthony Clifton’s comment. Please scroll down. It is obvious that some use the modern term ‘jews’ for the ancient ‘israelites’ (that includes Lasha and CJ Bjerknes), some stick to the technically correct set of words.

      2. @ Flek: “Jesus was NOT a Jew. He was a Judean … like Californian.”

        As Lasha has shown in her article, “Jew” and “Judean” are synonymous terms. This can be verified by consulting any Latin dictionary. You have been misinformed by Benjamin Freedman, a Jew who knew no Latin and was just talking through his hat.

        Here is the relevant quote from Lasha’s article:

        Iudaeus (later written as ‘Judaeus’) = Jew.
        Iudaea (later written as ‘Judea’) = the country of the Jews, Judea or Palestine.
        (Cassell’s New Latin Dictionary, p. 329)

      3. @ Lasha, Toby – and all of you

        Who is this Toby, and why does he keep knowing everything in advance, like the preview of Lasha’s artical not yet published?

      4. @ Allenby

        Who is this Toby, and why does he keep knowing everything in advance, like the preview of Lasha’s article not yet published?

        Toby is Lasha’s uncle and he is also known as “Uncle Toby”. He is this site’s acting “temporary” monitor. A reluctant monitor who actually resigned from his post several weeks ago (after a disagreement with Admin) but who is holding the fort temporarily while they find someone permanent.

        When he posts under the name of “Toby” or “Uncle Toby”, he is doing so as a private individual. Not as monitor. Toby is an exceptionally free-thinking monitor and censors almost nothing. Very few people have been banned by this website — only the crazies and the obvious Zionist trolls.

      5. I think the word Jew was not known or used at the time of Jesus.

        Besides it is only fair to make the difference between the Israelites of Jesus time and today’s Khazars. But who cares, what counts most is the meaning we give to the word.

      6. @ Allenby

        “I think the word Jew was not known or used at the time of Jesus.”

        Of course the WORD “Jew” wasn’t known in the time of Jesus. This is an English word of much later origin. But the PEOPLE we know as Jews certainly existed in the time of Jesus and they were known to the Romans of that era as “IUDAEI” (later written as JUDAEI). “Jew” and “Judaean” are therefore synonymous terms. In the New Testament, Jesus is repeatedly described as a “Judaean”, the Latin word for “Jew”.

        On his cross, Jesus was described as REX IUDAEORUM = “King of the Jews.”

        You write: “Besides it is only fair to make the difference between the Israelites of Jesus time and today’s Khazars.”

        Yes, yes! you have hit the nail on the head! Though Jesus was a “Jew”, he was NOT a KHAZAR — he was NOT an Ashkenazi Jew. The Khazars are an entirely different race of usurpers. Jesus would have more in common with the present day Palestinians.

        Bear this in mind and you will not go astray: Jesus was a Palestinian. And the present race of Ashkenazi Jews (or Khazars) are his mortal enemies. This is Lasha’s view and it is mine also.

      7. @ Pat

        Jesus would have been a Philistine. Palestine was Philistina.

        I have no problem with that. A long as you realize that “Philistina” and “Palestine” are different words for the same geographical area.

        Thus “Albion” and “Great Britain” are the same country, just two different words, “Albion” being the earlier and poetic word for the island of Great Britain.

        In the same way, “Angleterre” (the French word for France) and “France” (the English word Angleterre) stand for the same country. 🙂

      8. Toby –

        I realized it many years ago. Thanks. (Sometime in the 60s, while studying translations directly from Peshitta texts…. Lebanese, George Lamsa’s works.)

        France has had many names, as all lands have. Another name for France was Gallia, Gaul – named for a Roman goddess. Charles deGaulle was Charles ‘of France.’ 😉

        Gaul encompassed present day France, Luxembourg, Belgium, most of Switzerland, parts of Northern Italy, as well as the parts of the Netherlands and Germany.

  3. Here is a highly significant quote from the New Testament which is not without relevance to our discussion. It means a lot to me, which is why I post it. Reader, ponder these words carefully and let them sink into your soul:

    “And when they [ Jesus and the disciples ] were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, saying,

    Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is a lunatick, and sore vexed: for oftimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

    And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.

    Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

    And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
    Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

    And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

    Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.”

    Matt. 18:14-21

  4. Jews do not follow The Torah. Christians do not follow The Torah either. The Illuminati do not follow The Torah. Muslims do not follow The Torah. Jesus followed/s The Torah, yet Jesus was not Jewish. He followed no organized-religions and spoke highly of Moses (particularly in Revelation). The people will be Judged by The Judge on Judgment Day.

    Malachi, chapter 4

    4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the “I AM” Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).

    4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

    4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the “I AM” Lord of hosts.

    4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.

    4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the “I AM” (Sura 43:61):

    4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

    Humans have a pattern of refusing that which would help them because their egos refuse to be told what to do, thus an array of excuses. They would rather die than submit to God.

  5. @ Space lizard

    Strange (I am reading the catholic new testament in French, then try to translate it in English, so have mercy!) I find the passage you mention in chapter 17 not 18. The word ‘faith’ used by Jesus, like many others, is over 2000 years old and has suffered a lot of wear and tear due to misuse. What does it mean today? We have to start finding synonyms to all these words. There is also a lot to say about ‘kingdom of heaven’, where the word ‘kingdom’ satisfied the torah jew. Today what does it mean? Maybe ‘happiness’ or ‘bliss’.

    Otherwise I find a similarity between the passage you mention and mine in Matt 15,22-28. I won’t translate to English this time.

    1. @Allenby.

      Yes. Forgive me. I made a mistake there. The verses in the post above are from chapter 18, not 17, of the KJV. As far as the word ‘faith’ goes, I admit that it is one of the words that I don’t really understand to well. I have always considered ‘knowing’ truth to be more important than ‘just’ believing something that is not a directly perceptable experience. However, I have been slowly coming around to the idea that ‘faith’ can mean more than just ‘belief’. For instance, while I have no directly perceptable proof of the existence of the American continent, I would be foolish to say that I ‘just believed’ it was there, as if I could be wrong about it, and that there was a chance it wasn’t actually there. I have had enough ‘incidental proof’ to accept the fact that it us there even though I do not ‘know’ this. So, I can say that I not only ‘believe’ the American continent to exist, but I also have ‘faith’ that it does. So I tend to think that faith is a surety of something that you cannot percieve directly.
      I have not been studying the New Testament for very long, so it is all still mostly a mystery to me. I do see a similarity in the verses in chapter 15, as you say. There is vexation caused by the devil and there is also the mention of food.
      The Old Testament originally interested me as a source of historical myth. One of many where the history of the world is portrayed in a very different fashion than the traditional Darwinian view. As the ‘The Theory of Evolution ‘, as it is commonly known as, is an incomprehensable load of cr*p to my straight thinking scientific mind I have been searching for the truth about the history of the Earth. The works of Immanuel Velikovksy directed my attention to the stories in the Old Testament. I have already had reason to recommend his works, on this site before. I found that the Old Testament is full of very exciting stories that make much more sense when viewed from a literal, rather than the ‘symbolic’ or ‘mythologic’, fashion favoured by many people these days. However, once I discovered that I was a Christian, and then started reading the New Testament, I realised that it is possible to view the events depicted in the Old Testament as ‘prophesy’. There seem to be many, many layers of meaning in both Testaments.

      1. There is a lot of material in those gospels and we can always pick what suits us individually. Well, as long as it helps on our spiritual journey.

        I saw you heading for the wrathful passages, those where Jesus admonishes. But even then His words are full of tenderness:

        Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you! How often have I longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wing, but you refused. So be it! Your house will be left to you desolate… (Mt 23,37)

        Look for tenderness and humility, mainly in St. John’s gospel, also known as the evangelist of Love. It is much easier to perceive and imitate than wrath, which He only can do do without losing his inner peace.

        Faith: one has faith in what one does not know. Today this is massively exploited by the medias to condition people. It is better to experience God. Then it is not faith anymore but ‘knowledge’, or if you want ‘unshakable conviction’ (from ‘to be convinced’).

        By the way, the word ‘love’ is also completely worn out, also due to misuse . Now synonymous with self-esteem, Ego.

        Good luck.

      2. HP –

        Darwin plainly stated in Origin of Species….that his theory could never exist. And would, nowhere, be found.

      3. Allenby, HP.
        Thank you for your insights and encouragement. In my post above I should have used the word ‘evidence’, rather than ‘incidental proof’, as in I have ‘evidence’, but no ‘proof’ of:- a) the existence of the American continent, b) the existence of interstellar space, and c) that a stick placed in water gets bent.
        I do agree with you that ‘experience’ is ‘knowledge’, and therefore creates an ‘unshakable conviction’, but I also believe that someone may have an ‘unshakable conviction’ of something that is not actually true, and therefore they do err. I am unable to comprehend how what I call true ‘knowledge of reality’, ie ‘truth’, can be anything other than a directly perceptable experience. For instance, I ‘know’, not just ‘believe’, that I am sitting down and writing this post. Therefore it is my reality, and the fact that I am able to doubt that that is the case only ‘proves’ to me that I am doing so. So, I understand that someone may use the word ‘faith’ in the sense of a ‘belief’, or an ‘unshakable conviction’ based on ‘evidence’. I suspect though, that some may use the word ‘faith’ in the sense of experiencial ‘knowledge’, ie ‘truth’, or ‘reality’. I do not know. Thanks again. 🙂

        Brownhawk.
        I would be very interested to hear your ideas on this topic. I have my dictionary ready! 🙂

        Pat.
        Yes, in fact I believe that Darwin was trying to prove, well, supply evidence of, the existence of a supreme divine being. In some ways, Pierre Teilhard de Charden, a French philosopher and Jesuit priest, may be considered as a modern equivalent. 🙂

        http://www.teilharddechardin.org/

        I suspect everyone must have heard about the earth shaking news this week. Yep, Lobro actually posted a reply to Space Lizard!!! Wow! Thanks dude, you haven’t forgotten I’m here after all! Don’t get too chummy, you don’t want to get infected! No, seriously, it means a lot to me. Thanks. 🙂 ( I’m not being sarcastic btw, I know sometimes it’s hard to tell! 😉 )

        Re: Old Testament. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. If I’m not mistaken, Genesis is in the OT. I cannot understand how this can be ignored. Not having Genesis, the beginning, would be like not having Revelation, the end. No make sense! (to me, anyway)

        ———-

        “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
        Gen. 1:1

        “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”
        Rev. 22:13

        “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.”
        Rev. 22:21

      4. @ Space lizard

        About the Old Testament.

        Your comments are very positive. I agree it’s a valuable spiritual tool. The question is: should it be part of the Christian bible, that is, for people who were not Jews before being Christians? Some say that the Jews did not know their Torah because the keepers of the scriptures (Pharisees, etc.) taught them otherwise. I think they knew their Torah, since the Pharisees taught them how to circumvent its rules (oral Torah/Talmud). This is a subject Jesus clearly addresses:

        The scribes [teachers of the law] and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach (Mt 23,2-4).

        This should strengthen Lasha’s point of view. But it obviously applied to the Jews, not the gentiles. And the following part, that all know, quite long:

        Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces, etc. (Mt 23 13-33).

        Food for thought.

    2. ‘Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.’

      – Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

      1. @Max.

        “Faith is having the strength to trust in something that you can’t see with your eyes or prove scientifically. You believe because your heart tells you that’s where you should go or who you should be. Your heart tells you what is right.”

        Miley Cyrus, ‘Miles To Go’.

  6. I agree with Jon Bjerknes that the Old Testament is essentially supremacist. In that book the Jewish ambition for world domination is clear enough. The Old Testament could rightly be called a proto-Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    I doubt however that the endgame of the Jews is the total destruction of all humanity. Otherwise who would be the slaves for the Chosen Ones?

    Also, the Jews cannot be blamed for the massacres of Communist China and Camboja.
    I doubt also that the number of people killed by the Jews runs into the “hundreds of millions”.

    Personally, the reading of the Old Testament from beginning to end was for me the first step of becoming an “anti-Semite”.

    I think it would have been better for European culture if the Old Testament would have been expunged from the canon, as proposed by Bishop Marcion.

    ( for Marcion, see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope )

    With regard to the coming second part, the passage…

    “The Bible, she also argues, is the Holy Book of 2,1 billion Christians who cannot be wrong for reading with respect and reverence the first half of that Holy Book – i.e. the Old Testament.”

    …is a classic example of the fallacy of the argumentum ad populum.

    See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

    1. @ Franklin Ryckaert

      Well said, Franklin. You make some excellent points, especially in regard to the argumentum ad populum.

      However, it would be easy enough to refute that. In the very word “argumentum”, the idea of LOGIC is implicit. The masses, you are saying, have all gone astray in their logic. Or Lasha is guilty of a logical fallacy for paying attention to the deluded masses. Unfortunately, we are not dealing with logic here. There is no “argumentum” here at all. We are dealing with faith — blind faith divorced from logic.

      Having said that, however, remember that Lasha has admitted that she has “already lost the debate on this site.” Most readers of darkmoon.me are Old Testament haters and Lasha is well aware of that. All Lasha is attempting to do here is to act as “Devil’s Advocate” for the Old Testament and give the other side of the picture — and there IS another side, believe me. 🙂

      1. Here is a short quote from Part 2 of this 2-part article (to be published in a few days) in which Lasha admits she has “already lost this debate in advance”:

        I realize only too well that I have already lost this debate in advance—on this site anyway—and that few of my regular readers are likely to sympathize with my views on the Old Testament. However, I know at the same time that I will find many supporters for my views elsewhere. For example, Dr E. Michael Jones, who is a good Catholic, would probably stand behind me and defend the Old Testament also, as would most other practicing Christians, because to reject the Old Testament literally leaves Christianity in ruins.

      2. @ Toby

        “Dr E. Michael Jones, who is a good Catholic, would probably stand behind me and defend the Old Testament also, as would most other practicing Christians, because to reject the Old Testament literally leaves Christianity in ruins.

        I smell a kind of circular reasoning here :

        We need B (Christianity).
        But B is based on A (Old Testament).
        Therefore A must be true, otherwise we would lose B.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

      3. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        You are running ahead too fast. Why not wait until you have read the article before you pronounce its arguments “circular”? Lasha has already anticipated your objections in her very next paragraph which I here quote:

        “Is this a circular argument? No it is not, because I begin with the assumption that there are millions of Christians out there who are so anti-Semitic that they would like nothing to do with the Old Testament. They would like to tear the Old Testament out of the Bible and trample upon it, holding on to the New Testament grimly. These are the Christians — and we have met them repeatedly in these columns — who insist that Jesus was not a Jew.”

        She then goes on to discuss whether Jesus was a Jew or not and arrives at the conclusion, based on irrefutable historical evidence, that Jesus most certainly was a Jew. She dismisses with withering sarcasm, as “crackpot conspiracy theorists”, all those who insist that Jesus was not a Jew but “an Aryan gentleman with blue eyes and blonde hair belonging to one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.”

      4. @ Toby

        “She [Lasha] then goes on to discuss whether Jesus was a Jew or not and arrives at the conclusion, based on irrefutable historical evidence, that Jesus most certainly was a Jew. She dismisses with withering sarcasm, as “crackpot conspiracy theorists”, all those who insist that Jesus was not a Jew but “an Aryan gentleman with blue eyes and blonde hair belonging to one of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel.”

        That Darkmoon rails and rails against jews every day, then turns around and informs us it’s very, very important we think and believe “Jesus was a jew” is very telling, extremely telling. One would think those truly opposed to jews would be spreading the factual truth that “Jesus Was NOT A jew”.

      5. All Lasha is attempting to do here is to act as “Devil’s Advocate” for the Old Testament

        since in my view, the original yhwh (g*d, hashem, whatever) is the best known approximation to devil himself, the statement is true by definition.

        not sure how rejection of o/t leaves christianity in ruins and christ discredited.
        on the other hand, if christ did subscribe to o/t that includes the bjerkness stuff, i am sorry to say but i am heading for exits and christianity deserves the ruins.

    2. @ Franklin Ryckaert

      You write …the Jews cannot be blamed for the massacres of Communist China and Camboja…

      Become a better ‘anti-semite’ then:

      https://firstlightforum.wordpress.com/2011/07/21/jew-commies-train-pol-pot-to-genocide-gentiles-in-cambodia/

      ….the Jew communists in France backing the Khumer Rouge masterminded “the killing fields” in the first instance, and counted the holocaust of Gentile Asian communism a great triumph for the international Jewry in general….

      Jews were also behind Mao’s genocide China etc.

  7. I bet Ryckaert could recite every word, jot, jittle, tit and tittle of the Old Testament in Latin — and NOT make even one teenie weenie tiny mistake.

    Of course, matriculating from Tavistock “seminary” U and having Tavistock’s library at your Ryckaert fingertips helps from falling into ruinous error. I’m sure Ryckaert graduated Top in his class TOO. After all, he’s smart, a real smartie smart ass.

    The old familiar ghost Momus runs every time Ryckaert shows up on the scene. Yes, even Momus is scared in the face of Ryckaert’s Latin language acumen.

  8. The Pharisees and Money Changers did not call themselves “Jews”.

    The Talmud & Hating Jesus makes a “Jew”… “Jewish”.

    All so-called “Jews” are “Proselytes” to Talmudic Judaism.

    there are no “Jews” in the Old Testament,
    just as there were no Dallas Cowboys at the Alamo.

    http://www.chabadplano.org/

    not knowing the History of the Children of Israel doesn’t mean the
    Children of Israel turned into modern day so-called “Jews”…

    Stupid will never change true…!

  9. let me jump the line and defend the olden-golden testament and its snakes heroes.

    you must learn the noahide way of reading, as shown in the following example:

    10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

    11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

    12 Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when hIs wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
    40 Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me.

    let sarah berhard explain how to read it correctly:

    Don’t you fuckin’ reference Old Testament, bitch! You stay with your new Goyish crappy shiksa funky bullshit! Don’t you touch my Old Testament, you bitch! Because we have left it open for interpre-ta-tion!

    (i am sure sarah would never have spoken that way of lasha, only of sarah)

    so, armed with the above words of timeless rabbinical wisdom, we discover that the above passage is to be read as follows:

    10 — —- — ———, – — —–: — ———-, — J—E- — — —–.

    11 —– — —- W— —-, — ——- —- ———.

    12 –S- — —, —- — — A–R-, — -E —— —- — —, —N -I- —– — ——- — – ——. ——- — — —- —- — —– —– — —.
    40 —- —- —- —– — — –C– — —E ——-; —- – —– ——- —- —- —- –.

    1. Unfortunately Sarah Palin is a fucktard and walks around with Star of David necklaces. Christians love the race that displays nothing but bloody hatred for them. This is a kind of collective psychosis not just for Christards, but most Aryans in general. I sometimes wonder if post-Roman Northern Europeans ever were truly great or just a bunch of push-overs. If we had any sense we’d enslave the Jews and parade them through the streets in chains the way the Romans did after the Jewish revolts… before crucifying them for lolz.

  10. Aesop was a Greek slave and story-teller.
    Aesop’s bible was written and compiled before MOST of the Jews’ OT.
    It takes little faith, but more common sense, to believe the Ant and the Grasshopper or Wolf and Grapes or Boy Who Cried Wolf or Lion and Mouse.
    His bible full of fables can be read without fearing an ‘angry’ god conjured by criminal Jews.
    No cowering needed with Aesop’s Testament of tales.

    1. The greatest stories never told..

      “Of Vedas I am the Sama Veda”

      Whose Vatican?

      Here is the origin of the “chosen by God” belief. The origin of the Jews.
      Like everything else in this Kali yuga downhill all the way world, this has been twisted, juggled and far more predominantly, ignored, due to people’s conscious and subconscious fears. Little false-ego worlds come crashing down. What could be worse than THAT!?

      Yadav

      1. HP – You exposer –

        I agree. The religions of the Western cultures mimicked those of the East, before circumnavigation. The obvious conclusion is that the kindred ideas were passed over land by traders and conquerors.

        The Worlds Sixteen Crucified Saviors
        …….Or Christianity Before Christ

        Kersey Graves (1875)
        http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/kersey_graves/16/

        Fohi and Tien of China. (2800 BC)
        Chrishna of Hindostan. (1200 BC)
        Crite of Chaldea. (1200 BC)
        Bali of Orissa (725 BC)
        Budha Sakia of India. (600 BC)
        Mithra of Persia (600 BC)
        Indra of Thibet. (500 BC)
        Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam. (500 BC)
        Beddru of Japan. (500 BC)

        These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of God; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them, like him, are reported to have been crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. And as nearly the whole outline and constituent parts of the Christian system are found scattered through these older systems, the query is at once sprung as to whether Christianity did not derive its materials from these sources.

        See also:
        http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/before-buddhism-hindu.html#indra

  11. @ Anthony Clifton

    To set the record straight, Jesus was a child of Israel, was a Hebrew, an Israelite, but not a Jew.

    Then again, everyone pay attention, Jesus did not speak hebrew, Jewish, and certainly not Yiddish, but Aramaic. Aramaic’s modern version is found in Syriac, a beautiful language one can hear during the Maronite mass.

    I have to be more careful next time, but please don’t insult us.

    1. allenby, your heart is in the right place but clifton didn’t say what you think he said.

      he said that the act of hating the man named jesus is essential ingredient of what makes jew a jew.

  12. I used to hate the jews;now that I read the quotation above I came to hate their God as well.
    Perhaps I’m narrow minded but I am not going to read Lasha’s “plaidoyer” for The Old Testament ;I have already made up my mind.

  13. No jewish text is worthy of extensive analysis, except as to attain insight into why jews are evil. I have absolutely no interest in either testament. There really is nothing to be learned from jews, who are essentially high-functioning gypsies.

  14. Today, I can only very briefly visit, but I am GLAD that Lasha has addressed this topic. 🙂

    Without reading the attempt at intellectual ‘chin music’ offered by this author ‘against’ (I don’t have time, today), I will simply say that The Old Testament appeals more to MEN than to fanciful, sissified, pseudo-intellectuals. Who-the-hell CARES whether some limp-wrist is ‘FOR’ or ‘AGAINST’ it ????!!

    I look forward to reading Lasha’s view! 🙂

    1. Gilby,
      The Old Testament and the scrolls that make up the Torah (within) are not for the feint-hearted.
      Oh yeah, there is some girly stuff – Ruth, etc – but much of it is about plenty of blood, sacrifices and genocides.
      And I like your new straight-forward approach, in you saying:
      “The Old Testament appeals more to MEN than to fanciful, sissified, pseudo-intellectuals. Who-the-hell CARES whether some limp-wrist is ‘FOR’ or ‘AGAINST’ it ?”
      Yeah, God/YHWH wiped out the sinful cities “of the plain.”
      The Sodomites were ass-holes who took it in the backdoor; just like those “limp wrists” you criticize.
      At Gomorrah, the fornicators and lesbians were running riot, so YHWH “left none breathing”. He even took out their dogs and pussies with one sweep of His hand!
      I wish YHWH would reappear and take out Tel Aviv, New York and Los Angeles – all cities of gross sins!
      But I don’t want Him to visit London and my flat in Soho, because he might see the sheilas I’ve got around; and take me out!
      PS: I am making a list of the “fanciful, sissified, pseudo-intellectuals” on this site. Got 7 names so far – I’m not including Brownhawk, Brownback, lobro and yaself!
      .

  15. “Christopher John Bjerknes launches an all-out attack on the Old Testament and tell you why he thinks this is an evil and dangerous book. Bjerknes can be described as an unabashed and indeed virulent anti-Semite.” (quote from the above article) ….. NOTE: “VIRULENT ANTI-SEMITE”!!!!!
    HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!!! …….. Oh please, not again!!!!!!!! …. Such weak minds!
    Lasha and her associates are verbally trapped in the JEWISH MATRIX of total control!
    This makes their words compromised and largely useless!
    Doris Lessing: “We have no choice…. It is time for definitions.”
    How many times do I Have to WARN you utter fools!
    So Bjerknes is a “virulent anti-Semite”, is he?????? ….. He is against SEMITES, is he??????? … Hates them, does he?
    All of you smart-arses, I ask you to spend 5 minutes DEFINING what a “SEMITE” actually is! …. C’mon, I dare you!Too much for your scant brain power?
    Are the Jews of today SEMITES? …… AS in your saying that anyone who speaks out against them just has to be an ANTI-SEMITE!
    So you are ALL ANTI-SEMITES ARE YOU? …. You lobro?
    People of the mediocre RESISTANCE to the Jewish planetary hegemony, AT LEAST GET CONTROL OF YOUR OWN WORDS AND LANGUAGE!
    Remember what Orwell said about controlling one’s own language?
    Or, will what I have just said merely drift through your vaccuous/ intellectually regressive and Jew-controlled heads?
    And for the intellectually challenged: Is Bibi Netanyahu a SEMITE? Is Janet Yellen a SEMITE? Was Anne Frank a Semite? etc
    Me? I like Arab Semites! Terah was a Semite from Ur! Abraham was a Semite!
    But I don’t like Arab-Semites that kill each other and hapless Goyim, for twisted, pseudo-religious reasons!
    I’m too clever for the lot of you!

    1. Mad Max,
      Well stated. We must wrestle control of the language away from the anti – Gentiles, and not play their game for even a moment.

    2. I thought the word “Semite” referred to a “language grouping”. Please correct me if I am wrong. More “jewish semantics at play here? Bastardization of language perhaps?

      1. Our mind getting brainwashed by the media again. About Semites.

        Noah had 3 sons: Sem Sham and Japhet. Semites are the descendants of Noah’s first son Sem. ‘Semites’ apply to all his descendants, first Arabs (by their number), Jews, Aramaeans, Moabites, you name it.

    3. Our mind getting brainwashed by the media again. About Semites.

      The tale in the Bible says that Noah had 3 sons: Sem Sham and Japhet. Semites are the descendants of Noah’s first son Sem. ‘Semites’ apply to all his descendants, first Arabs (by their number), Canaanites, Israelites, Moabites, you name it.

      Practice makes perfect.

      1. Allenby, you said it:
        “‘Semites’ apply to all his descendants, first Arabs (by their number), Canaanites, Israelites, Moabites, you name it.” …. CORRECT!
        Yeah, but “Semites” does NOT apply to modern, mixed -race JEWS!
        Hence, don’t use that Jewish word trickery “ANTI-SEMITES”!!!!
        STOP disgracing yourselves!
        Make it ANTI-JEW, or ANTI-ZIONIST-JEW; or ANTI-ASHKENAZI-KHAZARIAN-JEW……. whatever!
        And don’t, oh you fools, equate ancient Israelites (pure Semites) with today’s scumbag, mixed-race JEWS!!!!
        The word trickery has Protocols like depth; and I could explain it in about 5,000 more words.
        BUT JEWS RULE!!!!!

      2. @ Max Bilney

        Hold your horses Max !

        I never said ‘Semites’ applies to modern, mixed -race Jews! and all that follows in your comment. You must have read it elsewhere. In fact, it is obvious from my intervention that it does not apply to the majority of today’s Jews. No problem.

      3. I agree. “Tale in the bible” is fable and mythology in the bible. Noah was fable. So were his sons. His wife and daughters were never named in the myths.
        Shemites were named for legends and myths. That’s as good as being named after landmarks.

      4. Bilney –

        STOP disgracing yourself… Kangaroo King!! Stiffen your wrists as well as your mind!!

        There are NO PURE Semites…and NEVER have been. Shemitic is NOT a race of people. Mythological entities produce no man or woman.
        People were denoted Semites if they spoke one or more of the SHEMITIC languages. Named for a mythological entity.
        Phoenician, Chaldean, Assyrian, Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew were in the list.

        Your ‘degrees’ purchased from WalMart was wasted money. LOL!!

      5. @ Pat

        “Noah was fable, a myth”

        I did say ‘tale’. I’ll have to rephrase that. Some passages of the Old Testament are plausible, some not, some are spiritually elevating whether true or not, some are real nasty. Nothing is plain black or white. At this moment, I think it should be just an optional spiritual aid, like we have the lives of saints, the Imitation of Christ, the Philocalia, etc, etc, etc.

      6. Allenby –

        I understand. Everyone keeps the ones ‘plausible’ to them, and rejects the one not ‘plausible’ in all reports from thousands of years ago. Juries do the same with testimony today.

        All we can do is guess. ‘Best guess’ applies to all of us. Some talk of bible theory also…best guess.

        Romulus and Remus is a good tale also. Rome was named for a ‘tale’…myth of a she wolf raising the twins of Rhea fathered by Mars…. The story is a mix of Moses and the common practice of kings killing male babies. Then, brother fight and ‘Uncle Remus’ is killed(just joking…like they weren’t..ha).
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus

        People are good at making stuff up. Bad at guessing.

    4. A small footnote to complete this tale:

      there is strong support to the theory that modern jews are mainly descendants of the Khazars of today’s Ukraine. No Israelites there. According to Arthur Kessler in his book ‘The Thirteenth Tribe’ they would be the descendants of Noah’s 3rd son Japhet.

      1. I believe that the author of the “13th tribe” (sic) book was an avowed communist. Another Hegelian dialectic at work possibly?

    5. @ Max Bilney

      “Christopher John Bjerknes launches an all-out attack on the Old Testament and tell you why he thinks this is an evil and dangerous book. Bjerknes can be described as an unabashed and indeed virulent anti-Semite.” (quote from the above article) ….. NOTE: “VIRULENT ANTI-SEMITE”!!!!! HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!!! …….. Oh please, not again!!!!!!!! …. Such weak minds! Lasha and her associates are verbally trapped in the JEWISH MATRIX of total control!

      TOBY responds: Your argument falls flat because you falsely ascribe the quote to Lasha. Lasha didn’t say this. It was said by John Scott Montecristo in his introduction. So you must get your facts right.

      In describing Christopher Jon Bjerknes as a “virulent anti-Semite”, Monty was simply applying to Bjerknes an epithet that most ordinary people would accept as justified and that Bjerknes himself would probably accept. After all, Bjerknes can hardly be described as a “PHILOSEMITE”, can he? 🙂

      1. @ Toby

        Kaminski is a “virulent” anti-jew, Lasha features Kaminski all the time. In fact, the “”virulent” ” anti-jew Kaminski is THE MAJOR contributor to Darkmoon. So I don’t know why Lasha condemns Bjerknes for being a “virulent” anti-jew when all along she features the “virulent” anti-jew Kaminski all the time. Not consistent, not at all.

        [TOBY: Lasha said no such thing. The description of Bjerknes as a “virulent anti-Semite” was made by Montecristo. Get your facts right!]

        I, for one, have NO problem whatsoever with Kaminski being a “virulent” anti-jew — we all should be — I just don’t understand why Lasha condemns “virulent” anti-jew Bjerknes for being a “virulent” anti-jew while Lasha simultaneously Lauds -To-The-Heavens the “virulent” anti-jew Kaminski for his virulent anti-jew articles she features here at her Darkmoon. What’s that all about?

      2. Maybe Lasha will do better in Part Two, because she totally f*cked-up in Part One. Fail.

        And the score is at the end of the first half of the game :

        Bjerknes – 1

        Lasha – Zero*

        * Like totally ZERO dudes.

        ^ And maybe next year I’m going to be the winning quarterback in The Super Bowl, lol.

        TOBY: You forget that Lasha has already conceded defeat. On THIS site anyway.

        In any case, Joe, you are the first person I’ve come across who has already decided the score halfway through the match! Without even having read Lasha’s response, you have awarded her a ZERO. Brilliant! You have condemned the omelette before the chef has produced it. 🙂

  16. Jewish supremacy is rooted in both the Torah and the Talmud, and there is no doubt that in general Jews exploit, abuse and dominate non-Jews. Jews have set themselves apart from and far above the rest of humankind–or, in some rabbinical teachings–apart from and above all those who are not really human, meaning all non-Jews. Thus they are divinely Chosen.

    The Jews are indeed our misfortune. And they were certainly the misfortune of Jesus and his followers. The Jews were the favorite targets of Jesus, who referred to them as vipers, liars, and sons of Satan. In Revelation they are referred to as the Synagogue of Satan.

  17. We are all caught up in the JEWISH MATRIX; and therefore tend to use “Jewish semantics” in our languages of communication. (Thank-you, Truth) “Happy and gay the Laxette way!” “Mum, my ice cream is called a Golden Gaytime! Does that make me gay?”
    We should NOT be inadvertently identifying such a megalomaniac, murderous scumbag as Bibi Netanyahu as a SEMITE!
    Of course, using his Hegelian-Jewish dialectics, he loves you to precisely that. i.e. Identify him as a SEMITE. Hence, if you don’t agree with his new, illegal settlement plans or continued eradication of the Arab-Semites, his kind of semantics identifies you as an ANTI-SEMITE! …. And you don’t want to be one of them, do you?
    Do you plebeians understand now? …. Do you Lasha?
    The early inhabitants of the Negev and the lands of the greater Palestinian/Philistines’ geographic/demographic areas were SEMITIC tribes, including some who spoke the Semitic dialect known as Hebrew. Terah and his son Abraham were from this wandering Semitic/Arab stock; as were the original Israelites.
    The Iaoudea or JEWS of Judaea came into the picture much, much later in the stories written in the biblical scrolls.
    These Iaoudea were probably a mixed race people, with plenty of Semitic blood remaining in their veins.
    As we all wrote about several weeks ago, most of the murderous ZIONIST-JEWISH scum that is perpetuating the genocide of the Semites in today’s Greater Israel are predominantly of a Khazarian background.
    (Khazars, originally coming from Turkey, may have been Semites; remembering that Terah lived in southern Turkey for a long time, as did Abraham, who heard a voice telling him to travel southwards)
    I have detailed all this in one of my books. Too much to explain her to you bubbas!
    Oh yeah, the Old Testament ends up in Deuteronomy with God/YHWH “turning his face away from” the people He had led on a vast journey.
    God said they were “a stiff-necked people” who broke all His great Commandments.
    Jesus hated the Jewish usurers; who are doing the exact same thing today! But this time they OWN YOU and RULE with full impunity!
    THEY own you and they own your language, you “blind” (Kaminski) wankers and wannabees!

  18. I look forward to reading Ms. Darkmoon’s rebut.

    Though by no means a scholar or an expert in the Old Testament, I have read it from time to time and one thing that stands out is that it describes man as he is… a unique, but troubled and fallen creature. The results of this “falleness” or alienation are readily observable in every person on the planet.

    One of my favorite parts is the book of Jonah. Jonah the prophet of Israel is sent by God to warn the city of Nineveh about impending judgment for their wickedness. Jonah is devastated, he hates the pagans and does not want to have anything to do with them, and warning them -as far as he- is concerned is out of the question. What if they repent and God forgives them!! Jonah wants no part in it, and takes off in the opposite direction to Tarshish. The Almighty will not be denied, and personally delivers the disobedient prophet to the great city via sea creature cruise line. And because of his disobedience, Jonah is assigned a cabin in the boiler room. Jonah preaches impending destruction, pagan Nineveh repents, and God forgives. The Ninevites and their animals – he states to the angry and discouraged prophet – are valuable to him.

    1. How long did Jonah live in that whale that swallowed him? … And how long did Pinnochio’s nose grow at its extreme? … And did people see Muhammad ascend like a rocket into space? … And how non-Semitic is Bibi Netanyahu’s ugly dial?
      It is believed only 16 writers penned the series of scrolls (written over 1,000’s of years) that were compiled by some smart-arse, limp-wristed stooge clerics to make the modern Bible.
      Of course, these 16 writers were only some of the hundreds of sages and scribes who penned long “religio-spiritual” works. The Dead Sea Scrolls, for example, tell different stories. The extant scripts of the Essenes exhibit a total rejection of the Iaoudea/Jews (fornicators and usurers) of the Second Temple. Jesus’ preoccupation was with the diabolical religionists who practised their lies and hypocrisies in the smelly, dove-and-money-changer-filled Temple. He hated the occupants with a vengeance. Read His Testament!
      My brother has compiled information on many of the other writers; and is convinced, like MOST scholars in this area of research, that most of the stories and concepts originated in the Indian sub-continent and later in Egypt. (Isis and Osiris, etc)
      Ancient art work (pre-biblical designs) show a mother and child in an embrace, under a loving God.
      Too much information, perhaps, for you bubbas and biblical naivettes! I’ll be checking Lasha’s response.
      ANYWAY: DON”T FORGET, that despite how much theoretical crap you debate and uncover, YE ARE UNDER JEWISH RULE! … TODAY, you worship in their house of mammon; you read their news, watch their jewtube and clap their porno-seeking celebrities. Most of you have been so Judaized that you think like Jews, but you don’t know it! … SMILE, you limp-wristed pseudo-Jews!

      1. “The extant scripts of the Essenes exhibit a total rejection of the Iaoudea/Jews of the ‘second temple’….”

        Now yer talkin, Max. Jesus was born into an Essene family. “Essene” as in essence, as in spiritual essence, as in spirit beings, as in what humans are in inhabiting their TRUE reality.

        And what we’ve been removed from

      2. Mad Max,

        Whether you except it as parable, myth, or actual event was not my point. The story shows divine love /mercy at work.

        Point of interest you may have missed: Why would a Hebrew or Israelite write a myth that shows mercy to a hated and godless enemy? After all, the pen is in his hand, and the author has complete control over the outcome. Not only that, the amanuenses that came after the original autograph could have redacted it at any time to make the outcome favorable to popular prejudices. Yet, here it remains to this day.

        As to your inquiry: ” As Jonah was in the creature’s belly for three days and nights so shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth”. But you know this already. 😉

        The story gives insight into the heart of God. God the righteous judge shows mercy to a people “who don’t know their right hand from their left.” If that isn’t a description of Humanity in general….

        Cheers!

  19. Mythology from the times of the OT have been carried through innumerable names today.

    The most common reference to mythology is the name ‘Europe’ derived from the goddess, Europa.

    In Greek mythology – GUESSES – Europa was a Phoenician – SHEMITIC – woman, for whom the continent Europe was named. The story of her abduction by Zeus in the form of a white bull was a Cretan story.
    Most of the love-stories concerning Zeus originated from more ancient tales describing his marriages with goddesses. This can be guessed about the story of Europa.

    Europa’s earliest literary reference is in the Iliad, dated to the 8th century B.C.

    Myth-making is one helluva big industry…always has been. All it requires is false belief. Guesses.
    Popes and preachers sell it.

    1. Well, Pat –

      If the Bible (both OT and NT) is all mythology – it’s a MIGHTY STRONG BLUFF. 🙂
      It has endured a lot more scrutiny than this little B-jerkins or his ilk can throw at it. In fact, it seems to me that most of these guys who mouth-off so much against it, herein, predicate their arguments on their hatred of JEWS, which is about Iike trying to start a diesel engine with gasoline – IT DON’T RUN. (It’s just too much of an effort to try to make oneself listen to an argument from someone who doesn’t know the difference, to begin with.)

      This is a waste of time. It is better not to suffer fools the attention.

      1. Yes, Gil, it is a strong bluff. Lots of money in that industry!! BIG BUSINESS…just printing bibles in Nashville, the number one bible printer..hence….”Printers’ Alley.”

        Roman, Greek and Druid…etc. mythologies were strong bluffs for thousands of year also….. way before the ‘bible bluffs.’ Cities and states and countries and even whole continents held their names.

        Modern people in modern times need modern deities. The statues of gods like Athena at the Parthenon weren’t good enough after a while. Folks could see their gods were just statues…stiff…and dead.

        Since we can fly… our gods can’t just stay in a corner of a cathedral or museum to bring safety for us.
        The god of the bible is a conjured entity…no statues required there.

        I liked Neptune and Poseidon….. being a navy critter.

      2. Gil… YOU like women, so help them. You AND…ALL women should reject the OT..!!

        Eve was demonized, so women take the brunt of the lies and myths. The OT was used by the perverted homosexual King James I&VI to convict and burn women at the stake for being witches, after he tortured them in a god’s name.

        Nothing in the OT is redeeming at all….especially for women who are only mentioned a few times by name. They were chattel and could own no property because of the rules developed from the OT.

    2. Or maybe like the flood, myths were built around an actual event. Moses, being a Prince of Egypt, would be in a position to correct inaccuracies as he would probably know several myths about the flood himself.

      1. Pat,

        “Gil…YOU like women….” “Nothing in the OT is redeeming at all…”

        Your response to G.H. ( and much to my shock… ) seems a bit superficial and dare I say it…P.C.
        Humans will pervert anything they can get their hands on to gain an advantage over others ( The Establishment, TV evangelists, The Pope, The Dali Lama, The fay and sadist King James, an abusive husband, Zionists, etc.) such is our fallen nature.
        The Old Testament doesn’t pull any punches as it correctly describes mankind in relation to each other and to his Creator.
        It is the depravity of man is at issue not a written work you personally do not approve of and reject as Scripture.

        Some examples of wonderful literature in the OT that you reject:
        “The Song Of Solomon” “Ecclesiastes”, ” Jonah”, “Daniel”, ” Psalms”, “Proverbs”, “Ruth”…

        One of my all time favorites:

        Isaiah 53:3 – 6
        “He was despised, we held him of no account.
        Yet it was our sickness that he was bearing,
        Our suffering that he endured.
        We accounted him plagued,
        Smitten and afflicted by God;

        “But he was wounded because of our sins,
        Crushed because of our iniquities.
        “He bore the chastisement that made us whole,
        And by his bruises we were healed.

        We all went astray like sheep,
        Each going his own way;
        And the Lord visited upon him
        The guilt of us all.”

        An atheist once stated something to the effect (and I agree with him): “if man didn’t have religion to kill for… he would find another reason.” Such is the nature of man left to himself.

  20. ok. my turn.
    first of all, a shamefaced admission: yes, i am a pseudo-intellectual, sufficiently limp-wristed that i require extensive physiotherapy after a single set of ping-pong, a sport i find too violent for my dainty taste.

    what i do is lay a photo of rodin’s thinker in front of me, so i can dutifully copy it, even though rodin’s thinker is a real intellectual and a real man, i don’t have such a physique.
    yet, for a spell, people are fooled into thinking that i too am thinking, when in fact all i do is hear the xylophone rendition of twinkle, twinkle little star in my cavernously empty head.
    so, it’s a start because at least others are spurred into thinking while i merely pseudo-think, a 2nd dan brown belt pseudoka.

    and these are my pseudo-thoughts on these weighty matters:

    1. jesus is a jew, sephardic not khazar but as will be shown, same difference.
    2. new testament is an addendum to old testament, which is more basic and manly.
    3. jesus read and worshipped old testament, never heard of the new one in his time, therefore a real jesusarian should likewise ignore it.

    therefore what is there for ziochristian not to like, what is wrong with reverend hagee except that he is a real man, just like king david is a real man, like al-baghdadi is a real man, like judas was a real man who had his hand up mary magdalene’s tunic as they smirked at jesus the jew squirming on the cross, silver pieces jingling comfortingly in the pocket?
    nothing there that offends the principles of old testament.
    and let’s face it, whether jesus death was real or faked (some say that he was seen walking away 3 days later despite rita katz’s video of crucifixion), there were centuries of massive reparations coming into the church coffers due to his “death”.
    his death presaged 6 million other “deaths”, even more lucrative, all of it entirely in keeping with the stunts described in old testament (it foresaw the blessed event), chosenites egyptian tour, when they toured babylon and persia (iran, they seem ready for another).
    real men pull real scams, fuck real wives of their real friends thrown under real buses, limp-wristed ones avert their chinless faces in mock horror while clinging to their bigger, stronger boyfriends.

    i feel born again.

    1. hahaha

      funny thing lobro. before I even read your comment I was resting my chin in my hand.

      And I gotta admit, the wrist on that hand is a little limp lately, what with all the snow removal I’ve been doin this winter. Just yesterday I was movin’ mini-glaciers off my roof. I got all I can do to type THIS! 😉

      1. The other day it was -19 here in the French Creek Valley.
        The wind blew 30-40 mph and it was literally snowing horizontally.

    2. Lobro, you’re where most poor arguments resort: A cutsie little avoidance. A lot of meaningless diatribe intended to belittle those with whom you disagree.

      1. Well, I did list 3 points, however impoverished, that I would like someone to address.

        Apart from that, does it occur to you that your post could be turned around half circle like those guns of Avatar that fire backwards at the shooter?
        Or maybe not, in which case I would again appreciate someone to point out how you avoid being at the butt end of it.

        The gist of my argument is as follows:
        Old Testament is good and right, Jews follow it just like he-man David did, so why should anyone except pseudos like me complain about Jews?
        Clearly, I am in the wrong company.

        Btw, I did not come up with cutesy phrases like ‘limp wristed pseudo intellectual’, maybe we can do a little search of the thread to find its first instance.
        It’s just that I took a shine to it because I thought it applied in particular to me.

        As for my over sensitive attitude to Old Testament, I am like one of those picky eaters, who when they notice that the chef exited the washroom without bothering to wash his hands, pushes his plate away no matter how inviting the food looks (who cares about smell).

    3. lobro….once born is enough…

      ‘Someone’ will address the 3 points for you…. your favorite ‘gadfly’ will:

      1. jesus is a jew, sephardic not khazar but as will be shown, same difference.
      Ans-Jesus was NOT a Jew. Pharisees were. He condemned them. Jews a cult. Not a race.

      2. new testament is an addendum to old testament, which is more basic and manly.
      Ans-NT was NOT addendum to OT it was opposite. Traditions bad.
      Jesus said stay away from synagogues and pray in secret closet. Lord’s prayer.

      3. jesus read and worshipped old testament, never heard of the new one in his time, therefore a real jesusarian should likewise ignore it.
      Ans-Jesus never worshiped OT…same as #2.

      AND….anyone worried about chef not washing hands should ALWAYS fix their own meals. Chefs always taste the food and pick their noses and mouths…mouths and noses worse than butts. They use the ‘5 second rule’ on dropped food, especially on expensive cuts. And…they sweat in Campeche and Ciudad Del Carmen…. even in Tampico, Vera Cruz, San Luis Potosi, Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta….. right in the seviche. I know…. but ‘limon’ juice kills germs while cooking raw fish and shrimp in the cocktail glass.

      See chef not wash hands…MORE LIMON!!

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  21. My Defense of Old Testament:

    I know some contributers here don’t find the OT tasteful. But there are some good writings in OT. For example, The Psalms, Isaiah, Genesis, Micah.

    I hear some anti-jews dislike Prophet Moses. But he himself was anti-jew. “…thou art a stiffnecked people.” “thou art a rebellious people.”

    Read Micah, where the Prophet criticizes the jews. It’s an eye opener.

    Look i know there are indefensible things in OT. But understand this- what if Abraham/Ibrahim was a Great religious man and that God wanted to guide his descendants? Jews are the Masters of Lies. What better an orgasm for their rabbis than to change the word of God?(without making it embarassing). Atleast that’s my take on the matter.

    1. Not sure I really follow you there Spicen, but here is some more defence of the OT. I believe it is based on sound reasoning though, so I feel a bit like I’m pushing the proverbial uphill. Anyway, here goes…
      The writers of the New Testament appear to believe in the usefulness of the OT and even quote parts of the OT to show that the ideas they are presenting have a basis in the OT. So how is it possible for a NT follower to ignore the OT if the NT writers use quotes from the OT? To ignore the OT all together one would also have to remove all the parts in the NT that refered to the OT. Then the NT would no longer be what it is. Paul, for instance, is forever saying “it is written…” and then quoting the OT. eg.

      “For it is written in the law of Moses, ‘You shall not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.’ Is it for oxen that God is concerned?”

      1 Cor 9:9

      I can’t actually find the bit in the OT that says that, at the moment, but I’m sure it must be in there somewhere. And no, I don’t have the foggiest what it actually means.

      @Allenby. I made the same mistake again. I mean chapter 17, not chapter 18. Sorry if I confused you at all.

  22. C’mon now. Are we really gonna go down this “Jesus was a jew” road again? On THIS website, where the pejorative hearing of the words makes them sound dirty? What purpose does it serve? Better to say “Jesus was a Judean”, yet even THAT does little more than move down a dead-end of pedantic uselessness.

    Talk about circular arguments going nowhere.

    1. Jesus was a Capricorn
      He ate organic foods
      He believed in love and peace
      And never wore no shoes
      Long hair, beard, and sandals
      And a funky bunch of friends
      Reckon we`d just nail him up
      If he came down again

      words of KK

      1. *POEM*

        Let he who rejects,
        jewsus The JEW,
        be anathema,
        his grandmother,
        his worthless children and grandchildren,
        and all the rest of his useless progeny TOO,
        Unto the Nth generation of amaleks,
        may plagues of ants,
        invade his kitchen,
        his bathroom,
        and his bedroom TOO,
        and crawl upon his coffee maker,
        and ruin his morning coffee,
        upsetting his sunrise ruminations,
        may it be,
        by afternoon,
        as the sun is high in the sky,
        they throw the amalek in a railway box car,
        and haul him off to Siberia,
        to shovel mountains of snow,
        his whole life through,
        by the ice on your forehead,
        you shall earn your grub,
        for having the cheek, the gall,
        to contradict “us”,
        “We” are not made of mush,
        “We” are made of sterner stuff,
        “We” abide not any effrontery,
        any viewpoint “we” don’t approve,
        “we” consider an insult,
        and deserves the most severe rebuke,
        Who watches the watchers,
        you may ask,
        you can inquire all you want,
        until you are blue-in-the-face,
        as the icicles,
        form on your forehead,
        go shovel snow in Spamblinka,
        we can’t be bothered answering your questions,
        who watches the watchers,
        we’ll never reveal,
        for “we” are of the Old Testament,
        you’ll just have to take our word for it,
        for Daddy Dodo,
        has so willed it,
        “we” should eternally,
        keep “our” lips sealed,
        May The Judges 10,
        Rule Supreme,
        and bring forth sons,
        30 of ‘em,
        and may God provide them with transportation.
        to make pilgrimage,
        to The Holy Land,
        of Gilead,
        and Beer Sheba,
        a stop over in Afula,
        and feast on Hymie’s falafels delicious,
        then off to Shiloah,
        to water the donkeys,
        all 30 God has provided for us,
        jewsus was a JEW,
        there is no point denying IT,
        and if you do,
        may your internet provider,
        hassle you,
        and make it difficult for you,
        to get online,
        may your computer crash BIG TIME,
        and may it pass,
        we never have to hear such an amalek ever again opine,
        on matters you’re not learned enough,
        not worthy enough,
        TOO stupid to understand,
        Oh, flighty, noisy bird-doves without knowledge,
        and no goddamn brains,
        bird shit for a brain,
        to NOT know that what I say around here goes,
        who know NOT how important and anointed I AM.

  23. The big secet of Free Masonary is, everything you have been taught about all religions in the world is nonsence, this is what the perfect Masons know, It was written in allegorical language. The Jew or Jave the great Architect in Free Masonary, means God, which is the SUN. In the original Free Mason Sect in Egypt, there where levels of Gradation starting with Christian, Israel, Jew and Hewbrew, these were the lower levels. Paul was a 3rd degree mason and was called a Jew, not meaning a person, but a gradation.
    So these people who call themselves Jews, were a sect of Masons who were allowed to use that word meaning God, the SUN and took it on themselves to use it literally.
    Israel in the Phoenician language is Saturn, Abraham in the Chaldean language is Saturn. Abraham, Abrahim, Brahmin are all the same, Ab means Father and Raham means elevated, very high.
    So all you people need to do is prove that these people are fake. Abraham said I am the farther of many nations, that means all of us, there is there first massive lie and it’s bloody Saturn anyway.

    1. Thanks, Michael –

      People are confined and controlled by words. It cannot be helped.
      John Harland wrote a short book about it, in the 70s. I have it here.
      “Word Controlled Humans” – (A Brief History)

  24. Thankyou Christopher Jon Bjerknes and Lasha
    Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? What a Psalm?? It’s about as far as I got. What powerful prayer. No disrespect intended but I can’t read the ‘for’. Will. The whole tone, interesting as it might be, jars. I got the gist, respect though. I love Jesus, Jesus loves me, can I say fairer than that? Paul wrote a troublesome verse that said ‘better it comes out at all…’
    Psalm 2. Suggestion: speak out as a war poet prophetic. Shout now. Let rip. Stand in the blaze of the Holy Spirit.
    Mark

  25. Gee, I could have sworn there was two parts to this thing. Pretty much agree with everything Bjerkness says here. The old testament is clearly a Jewish book and probably the only reason Christians use it is due to Jewish infiltration and interpretations of all the co-opted Christian outlets. Krypto Jews infiltrate the church like they subvert kings with communism. Whatever works. Once you understand that the slaughtering habits of the old testament are alive and well in the Jewish psyche, you really, as a christian, can’t have anything to do with it beyond using it as a way to understand a perverted outlook on life advocated for the “chosen people”. Since Lasha likes to be friends to everyone, I am sure she’ll have some wonderful reason to applaud this sick book, lol!
    By the way Lash, I’ve missed you at VT. I’ve looked for you everywheres!

    1. its still a religious book followed by jews and Christians. so its better to be respectful to its adherents.

    2. @ Mind Controlled Slave

      “Since Lasha likes to be friends to everyone, I am sure she’ll have some wonderful reason to applaud this sick book, lol!
      By the way Lash, I’ve missed you at VT. I’ve looked for you everywheres!

      Lasha understands and sympathizes with your viewpoint, which is also Lobro’s viewpoint and that of most other people on this website. She almost deleted her article, only too aware that it is likely to get her hated by the likes of you and Lobro! 🙂

      However, Monty and I persuaded her to go ahead and, so to speak, “brave the wrath of the Jew haters.” Lasha cannot accommodate her views so as win friends among the virulent Jew haters who basically take the line that the OT must be wicked beyond belief because Jews were behind it.

      Anyway, give her a break and grant her some slack, OK? You will see her article published here tomorrow. I sincerely hope this will give you all a new perspective. The article is beautifully written and has the merit of total sincerity.

      1. @Toby- im sure lasha will do well. And do invite her here when you post that article. Id like to see how she defends the godless book of Esther.

      2. @ Spicen

        “I’d like to see how she [Lasha] defends the godless book of Esther.

        Lasha has no wish to defend the Book of Esther. She hasn’t even read it! At no point has Lasha ever claimed to like EVERY SINGLE BOOK in the Old Testament. All she claims to like is a small handful of books, comprising not even one-tenth of the OT.

      3. Toby –

        FYI…
        I believe some use the word ‘hate’ too much. I hate no one for their views. I hate some for their actions.
        My wife and I believe differently on many of these subjects, and love each other very much.
        I hope Lasha is not defensive on the site. She is loved….just has a different views. I like it..!!

        ‘Bullying’ is impossible here…. and can be done to me ONLY face-to-face.
        I even like Max…as he attempts to shove us ALL around like a bulldozer. Won’t work for me. I give him as good as I get. I like calling him names. “Eucalyptus sticks and kangaroo stones…..but names…never hurt.” 😉

      4. The likes of Lobro will never hate Lasha.
        The likes of Lobro will always like Lasha.

        I don’t make friends easily nor do I jettison them easily.

        The reason I detest O/T is because it promotes evil thoughts, deeds and attitudes, and this is just for starters.

        But if someone doesn’t see that, it doesn’t mean they won’t in future.
        The Jews that hung Christ, to say, Judas, Caiaphas and others baying for his blood weren’t Talmud thumping Khazars.
        And I haven’t seen too many O/T references urging the followers to adhere to some moral code – in fact, the notion of morality is nonexistent in Old Testament, only fear, arbitrary laws, blind obedience and gushing hate.

        Look again at the heroes of O/T, those who made “hard choices”, ie, blindly obeyed obscenely sadistic orders from above, never hesitating to question, to use own heart and mind: Abraham, Japhet, and so on – the epitome of wrongness being Saul who failed to instantly put to sword every single Amalek captive, including infants and pets.
        Still repeated to little Jew spawn at yeshivas and gatherings.

      5. Lasha HAS her rebuttal in the ignorance of these comments. They’re not only mental masturbators but premature ejaculators too. Sound bites out of context and a whole new jew fabricated story. How Talmudic. There’s more bullshit than anyone can shake a stick at, let alone address. I hope it was Lasha’s intention to to troll them into stepping all over their own dicks, like they have. It’s disinfo like this that makes blogs a laughingstock. The internet has failed miserably to honor it’s potential. All that power just stuck in the mud. The Talmud. I see they still quote the Talmud in their attacks against the OT too. That’s the purpose of the Talmud … DUH.

        Turning to Lev 18, we see the canaanites indulged some bestiality, homosexuality and incest, cited as just a few of the reasons they were driven out of the land. As culture goes to seed and then comes out of it, maybe they want to bring back family orgies that include the family dog. “WOO!, that’s good Canaanite tradition!”, Apu would say.

  26. We are under Babylonian Talmudic rule (Satan worshippers) that began in the Promised Land when the Babylonians infiltrated the Levitical priesthood through which they were able to claim the God-given rights of the Israelites and their deceit persists to the present. If you wish to refer to Babylonian Talmudic rule as Jew, then they’ve achieved their goal.

  27. Some idiot, Jew above – a boy with an extremely limp wrist – says that because “ANTI-SEMITE” is now part of our general lexicon, so we should all go along with its common usage. …. Really you fool beyond fools?????
    What a cop out from a total oxy-moron, who can’t understand the first TRUTH I tell you!
    Oh yeah, so we MUST use the word ANTI-Semite to denote our criticism of Bibi Netanyahu, must we, my ignorant child? …. Go child and brand yourself an evil ANTI-SEMITE!!!!!! ….. Accept the ADL’s judgement of you, like a child!
    Following your kind of Jew-indoctrinated, twisted logic, we must use “pussies” to describe vaginas; “bitches” to describe our girlfriends; etc. All the modern songs use these words!
    THE JEWS CONTROL OUR LANGUAGE VIA THEIR ALL-IMPRISONING MATRIX!
    Most of you dumb ass-holes have totally missed my point! To be expected from such drivel artists!
    My 170 plus IQ stands out above you treacherous, frustrated minnows at all times.
    Take a look at the village idiot Pat and all his crap! Tell me, what does this frustrated old cage-fighter actually believe in! … At least I know lobro hates the Jews per se!
    Gilby, I like you when you are tough and up-front! Yeah, the mother-f****#*s on this website would not even know that there were competing forms of scroll worship around Jesus’ time. Many hands were writing these scrolls! I personally liked the Essenes, who got away from all the crap; as Jesus did in his own way.
    HOW WOULD IT BE IF WE STUDIED A BIBLE MADE UP OF THE SENTIMENTS OF THE ESSENES or the SAMARITANS?
    One idiot even refers to an extant Bible in Jesus’ time! … No my child, they were just scrolls read by the elders and scribes; with plenty of addendums from the same human trash! …. And the rabbis are still making addendums in their endless dialecticisms! (Now that’s above ytour minnowish minds!)
    Some idiots are telling us they LERV the guts, blood and violence of the old Testament/Torah/5 Books of Moses. Yeah Bibi Netanyahu and his comrades lerv a God who flattens cities and kills endlessly – even dogs, pussies and doves! Yeah Bibi is doing this in East Jerusalem right now you mother f***#***! …. Ya Yankee guns are most welcome to Bibi! Chomsky: “The American taxpayer provides Israel with its financial life-line.” …You idiot Yankee scum!
    Go on Lasha, try to defend the indefensible! Tell us the OT (or the few chosen scrolls) is all about LERV! “Lerv is all ye need!”
    To understand the Jewish mind you have to read and understand their chief reference – the Babylonian Talmud! The OT has little to do with it! It is just senseless, murderous crapology!
    Allenby, learn to read and comprehend correctly! Don’t get your pink nickers in a knot!

    1. @ Max Bilney

      Hey John Wayne, what exactly do I have to do with your diatribe? You remind me of a drunkard noisily irrupting in a saloon and shooting from the hip on everything that moves. Please, try drinking less high-energy sodas. Better keep your cool and focus on a positive stand. Did Jesus teach to hate people, whoever they are?

  28. Historically, the Jewish Bible Old Testament (Torah) has nothing to do with the genuine message of prophet Moses (as). It was written between 1500-2000 years after the death of prophet Moses (as) by rabbis based on old Hebrew stories and laws passed-on to them by their ancestors orally. Naturally, the true revelations from the Creator to Moses and the earlier known Israelite messengers was corrupted by the time OT reached prophet Jesus (as).

    The same way, the Christian Bible, The New Testament was written 325 years after the disappearance of Christ. Its all original 17 books were written by four disciples and St. Paul, who spent most of his early life insulting and trying to demonize Jesus. Later, four books from OT were inserted into NT in order to make it looks like the “divine message”.

    Dr. Robert Funk, an authority on NT wrote in 1991 that 80% of verses quoted as “Jesus’ sayings”, were authored by “interested individuals” and didn’t represent Jesus. The remaining 20% were “probably” word of God.

    Rabbi Joshua Levine Grater posted an article on Huffpost on July 2, 2011 in which he claimed that like the US Constitution, Torah (Old Testament) can be debated and revised to conform to human desires.

    “The ideals and values of the Declaration and the Constitution, I wanted to share some thoughts about how this struggle to understand the meaning of an original document, formulated in a different time, in a different era, by very different people, is a very Jewish idea, one that we in fact gave to the world thousands of years before 1776,” wrote Rabbi Grater.

    http://rehmat1.com/2011/07/17/rabbi-torah-and-us-constitution/

    1. Good points, Rhemat.
      OT expresses almost nothing recognizable in today’s cultures. Women had absolutely no standing in those lands then. The 10 commandments did not state that “you shall not desire a neighbor’s husband.'” Although, that might have been the ‘ass’ referenced. LOL!!

      US Constitution expressed wishes of the Crown more that American colonists….and way more than the sentiments of ‘Indians.’

      1. “Women had no standings in those lands.”

        Well not unless youre a prolific prostitute like Rahab or Lais.

        Besides even the Hindus who have female warrior deities like Durga, discrimanated against women. It also happened in Europe where women were burnt in stakes because they were thought to be witches. And yes discrimination also extended in muslim communities.

        Besides Pat women nowadays arent really freer- they just think they are free. Women have been turned either as objects for modelling or business b*tches who keep raving in CNN. I suppose you might like the group “Femen” who are terrorizing religious people in Europe.

      2. I might like the Femen if it is Pharisees they kill.

        OT provided for no guarantee to rights in life or property for women, where American Indians’ land title was passed through the matriarchs then.

        Beautiful poetic myths abound about tough men cutting women to pieces.

        Prostitutes and concubines were killed on the spot and cut up in OT if hey did not obey absolutely:
        Judges 19:
        …27When her master arose in the morning and opened the doors of the house and went out to go on his way, then behold, his concubine was lying at the doorway of the house with her hands on the threshold. 28He said to her, “Get up and let us go,” but there was no answer. Then he placed her on the donkey; and the man arose and went to his home. 29When he entered his house, he took a knife and laid hold of his concubine and cut her in twelve pieces – limb by limb – and sent her throughout the territory of Israel.… The 12 pieces signified 12 tribes of Israel.

      3. @Pat-
        “the twelve parts represents twelve tribes”

        Pat i dont think this verse is literal. You know there’s a chapter in ezekiel where God compares the jews in Jerusalem and Samaria to two prostitute sisters.

        this chapter is like that- metophorical.

      4. Spicen –

        Leo disagrees with you. You ‘think’…GUESS…it is not literal.
        Leo guesses he has the all the facts.
        —————————–
        Leo
        February 24, 2015 at 5:50 am
        Pat,
        The woman was raped all night and was dead. He sent her twelve body parts to the tribes to get them to render justice for the atrocity. They did.
        Men have not changed… today horrible things go on everywhere. Life is not always pretty and it is not always fair or just. Not in a fallen world.
        ——————————–
        I posted what was written.
        Whose GUESS should I believe now????
        What will be my fate if I choose your guess or Leo’s guess or another’s guess…or my own guess???

        I can disregard all of the hundreds of interpretations – guesses – of others and use my own guess….which is… the one I like….
        it is ALL a myth.

    2. Rehmat,
      There is a small fragment of a copy of the Gospel of John in existence at John Rylands University Library of Manchester that is dated from around 130 AD. Since it was a copy, the original was written even earlier. The Gospel of John was the last Gospel written, and the others – Matthew, Mark and Luke were written even earlier.

      Dr. Funk began the infamous “Jesus Seminar”. It was claimed by other scholars to be agenda driven as Dr. Funk personally picked who was to be a part of his group. They determined the actual statements of the Christ as recorded in the Gospels by vote, using colored beads. This voting method was also criticized by liberal Biblical scholar as @#$^! (shit?). He was later fired for claiming the process of the Jesus seminar was an “intellectual sham”.

    1. @Rehmat- im not comparing the two. The modern day view of women is just sick and militant feminists like Femen (including Amina) are scary to say the least.

      And tell me honestly Rehmat, how many muslim men do you know who gives their wives bridal money. I have seen none.

  29. Pat,

    The woman was raped all night and was dead. He sent her twelve body parts to the tribes to get them to render justice for the atrocity. They did.

    Men have not changed… today horrible things go on everywhere. Life is not always pretty and it is not always fair or just. Not in a fallen world.

    1. Leo –

      So right you are. We NEED a Beacon for our ‘lost ships’. A supreme ‘God’ fits-the-bill, and His description and personna is offered from different perspectives in the books of The Bible. If ‘God is in us’, much of mankind accesses the Divinity not only through Deism or Christianity, but through other religious disciplines as well, e.g., Buddhism (some of which also shows its branches of outrageousness in the archaic ritual of ‘suttee’ once practiced in India). That we’re not yet ‘perfected’ is no more better indicated (to me) than in a passage in Isaiah where it is written: ‘…For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD…’ (see Isaiah 55:7-11, a most beautiful and relevant passage).

      The Father God is well-portrayed for us throughout the Old Testament. The Son’s access to Him is described in the New Testament. It’s just that simple.

      1. AND, we can just as well find similarities in Islam – which I also admire, in my own way (for both good, and not-so-good, like in all else). (Talmud seems to be the only, compete ‘Not So Good’ for mankind.)

      2. @Gilbert. Just a minor point, Buddists in India at no time have ever practised or condoned Suttee. That was a Hindu practice, which along with Thuggee, was suppressed by the British. In fact the first precept of Buddhism is to refrain from killing any living being. Yes, there have been Buddhists who, throughout the 2,558 years of the Buddhist Era, have perpetrated evil. Even today in Myanmar(Burma) there are Buddhist monks encouraging atrocities against the Rohinga. But the Buddhism has a prayer “May all beings be free from suffering”. A good Buddhist would be in total agreement with St. John of the Cross and his “nadas”!
        That thou mayest have pleasure in everything,
        seek pleasure in nothing.
        That thou mayest know everything,
        seek to know nothing.
        That thou mayest possess all things,
        seek to possess nothing.
        That thou mayest be all things,
        seek to be nothing.

      3. @Felix, when my daughter was little, I thought I could protect her from the evils of the world, by taking her to live in a Buddhist refuge in southern Scotland, which is why I have found the slaughter of Rohinga by Buddist monks inexplicable, and reprehensible.. seems no-one is fail free..

  30. To reveal the true meaning of the Old Testament, it should be bound together with the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. For, indeed, the Protocols ARE the 40th book of the Old Testament! And, as Jesus certainly never exhibited any typical Jewish characteristics, it seems grossly improbable that he was a Jew. Ergo, the New Testament must stand — or fall — on its own. Thirty years ago, unable to believe that Jesus was “the ONLY begotten son of God,” Toshiyori made a formal conversion to Buddhism at Hemis Monastery, Ladakh. He believes we are ALL — including Lasha Darkmoon , Jesus of Nazareth, Adolf Hitler, and Bini Netanyahu — the sons and daughters of God. Obviously, some of us are better representatives of the divine power than others. Yet we are all headed in the same direction, and thus obligated to help one another along the way, to whatever extent we are able. Surely we can all agree to pray for the enlightenment of the Great Satan Netanyahu. For, the Buddhist view is that there is no “salvation” (i.e., nirvana) for ourselves, as individuals, without liberation for all. Yes, that means even the God-damned Kikes!

  31. “we are all sons and daughters of God”

    this is the absolute truth. Even in the Gospel Jesus told the apostles that they can be sons of God. In Psalms David also mentions that he is a son of God. It’s unfortunate that christians that the ‘Son of God’ notion literally when it’s a metaphor.

  32. GH,

    The beauty of the NT (and OT viewed in the light of the NT) is the message of the incarnation of God in Jesus the Christ. God becomes man, to suffer for man, by the hands of man, to liberate man from this alienation/ fallness that haunts him. Jesus the Christ is the end of the OT sacrificial system that separates men, and in Him there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, male or female. He offers peace to all who are willing to come to Him.
    Is there a more beautiful message than that? Not to me. I have found it to be true existentially.

    1. Leo –

      And His ‘incarnation’ was more-than-once mentioned in the Old Testament, e.g., @Isaiah 7:14, tying together the WHOLE Bible, in the context and purpose of [our] deistic pursuit, here:

      ‘Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.’ – Isaiah 7:14

      (btw, Leo, when I mentioned the rite of Suttee last night, as it relates to a variation of Buddhism – wouldn’t it be somewhat correct to consider Hindi a ‘branch’ of Buddhism, just as would be considered any of the Protestant sects of religion a ‘branch’ of Christianity??)
      Some of you, here, know the answer to that. I do not. Correct me! 🙂

      1. IMHO, there is EAST and WEST in the context of all mankind. Consider it according to the appearance of the Sun in the course of Earth’s circle/cycle. First and Last. Alpha and Omega. One.

        One of my very favorite poetic works is Kipling’s ‘Ballad of East and West’, wherein the first and last verses ARE THE SAME. 🙂

      2. GH,

        Yes, I agree with you. That was the point of the OT to reveal the Messiah who was to come to remove sin.

        I think you are right about the Buddhism. The Buddha began a Hindi and developed his beliefs from there. If I recall Hinduism in general accepts other beliefs, but I have read that the Buddha was not a theist but an atheist of sorts. Someone else might address this.

        Nirvana is the goal which is the end of all desire and the total annihilation of the personality/individual as it gets absorbed into the whole. Someone else could address this better as well.

        Where as, in the Bible the individual never loses his personality, but is transformed from spiritual death to spiritual life by the forgiveness of sin made possible through the final sacrifice of Jesus the Christ.

      3. Leo, you addressed the question of whether Buddha was an athiest. It seems to me that it’s just that the Buddha never had a name for a supreme being (that I am aware of, someone else may be able to enlighten us on that). It’s almost as though any word for Him would be redundant in that particular religion, or ‘philosophy’. Not that He is denied, as such, but that there is never a reason to use a word, or that He is never conceptually formulated. At least not as a separate entity. I don’t know if that means Buddha was an athiest or not. Just a thought.

    2. The Beauty. That’ll do Leo, God bless you. Cracking stuff.

      And earlier somewhere dropped Zephaniah 3:9. Young’s again. For then do I turn unto peoples a pure lip, To call all of them by the name of Jehovah, To serve Him [with] one shoulder.

      Or:

      Then I will purify the lips of the peoples
      that all of them may call on the name of the Lord
      and serve him shoulder to shoulder

      Peace

      Mark

      1. There is an even deeper meaning and reality to The Buddha.

        “Lord Buddha preached atheism so that the atheists would follow him and thus be tricked into devotional service to Lord Buddha (Krsna)”

        Buddhism

      2. HP –

        With moves like that….Buddha could have been a star in Victor Ostrovsky’s book. Or, at least, honorable mention. 😉

    1. The difference in verdicts for similar acts in churches and mosques is explained by political reasons, believes Frederic Pichon, president of the association of free lawyers.

      “Femen have judiciary protection for ideological reasons,” Pichon told RT. “Fifty years ago there were only four mosques in France for 1 million Muslims. Now we have 8 million Muslims and almost 3,000 mosques.”

      He added that France has “double standards.”

      “If you attack Christianity, it’s free expression. If you attack Islamism, it’s Islamophobia.”

      Jew agenda in effect.

  33. The time has come.

    ” For here’s what I’m going to do: I’m going to take you out of these countries, gather you from all over, and bring you back to your own land. I’ll pour pure water over you and scrub you clean. I’ll give you a new heart, put a new spirit in you. I’ll remove the stone heart from your body and replace it with a heart that’s God-willed, not self-willed. I’ll put my Spirit in you and make it possible for you to do what I tell you and live by my commands. You’ll once again live in the land I gave your ancestors. You’ll be my people! I’ll be your God! ” Ezekiel 36:24-28 (MSG)

    The faithful witness

  34. Are the three main religions from the middle-east (judiasm, islam and christianity) born of Saturn worship?

    -flek

    1. The entire world has been worshiping Saturn for thousands of years. The cult has never stopped and its rites are still present to this day. Saturn, dubbed the “Lord of the Rings”, is the reason why we exchange rings at weddings or put halos on the heads of godly people. This article exposes the attributes of the god Saturn and the perpetuation of his cult through, and in, pop culture.

      Semitic civilizations referred to the god Saturn as “El”. The supreme deity was represented by a black cube.

      ALL religions have their origins in the heavens/space. Life on this planet could not exist without the Sun. Ergo, main god most of time.

      Mohammed, the camel trainer, claimed the Moon god, Gabriel, spoke with him and he had his buddies write it down for him. He could not read or write.
      Gabriel = Abruel, Gabrielus (Latin), Gavri’el ( Hebrew), Jibril or Jibrail ( Arabic) and Serafili.
      Jesus was found by Polaris, the North star. The North Star is the one all other stars circle.
      Is-Ra-El is the combination of the names of ancient pagan deities Isis, Ra and El.

      1. I was under the impression this planet used to be in a polar configuration with Saturn.
        Yes, the black cube. All 3 religions have this. The pilgrimage to mecca and the moslems in white make rings around the cube…effectually becoming the rings of saturn. The ‘jews’ wear the black cube on their head, and there’s a christian church in the middle east or ethopia i think where that same precession like the moslems circling the cube in mecca.

        I do however find this interesting…

        Dwardu Cardona: Earth’s Primordial Stellar Host | EU2014
        https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dwardu+cardona

        -flek

      2. @flek- the so-called black cube…..is actually a grey stone building. The clothing over it is black.

        not so smart.

        dont listen to conspiracy theories. go and learn about the religions yourself, instead of listening to random articles.

      3. @pat- and pat you should consider doing some rudimentary research instead of listening to some crazy conspiracy theories.
        Here are some things where you made serious errors:
        -Muhammad(S) was a merchant, not a camel trainer
        -Jibrail/Gabriel was an angel not a moon or sth
        – No written papers were given. The verses were imprinted in his memory. The complete written Quran was compiled by the time of 3rd Caliph.
        – the Kabah is a stone building, it not black in colour. There’s actually a black cloth over it.
        -whoever the God is did a damn well job
        If you’re honest and sincere you would not have resorted to disinfo. Whatever you learned from Paine, sincerity is not among them.

      4. You seem to be really confused Spice.
        There have been thousands of religions over the years…hundreds exist today.
        Because I show hem to be silly…does not imply I am atheist.
        And I am not one of that religious faith either…. I do not hold to atheism, or any other religion.
        My belief has no title.
        If it did it might be designed from the words… ‘no trespassing.’

      5. Spice –

        Rudamentally speaking…. researched info…. did not result in buttressing your claims. Mo worked for his camel herding uncle until marrying wealth. Islam is a Moon religion…Look at the emblems. Gabriel was a Moon god.

        Muhammad was born around 570 AD to a widowed mother who died just six years later.  He grew up poor and orphaned on the margins of society, which was controlled by tribal chiefs and trading merchants.  He worked for his uncle, Abu Talib, as a – CAMEL – herder.  Although his uncle had some standing in the community, Muhammad himself did not rise above his lowly station until he was 25, when he met and married a wealthy widow, Khadija, who was 15 years older.

        In addition to the black rock, Muhammad’s Quraish tribe worshipped a moon god called Allah.  Other gods were recognized as well.  In fact, the town of Mecca was renowned for religious tolerance, where people of all faiths could come and pray at the Kaaba.  (This would later change once Muhammad gained the power to establish his authority by force).

        http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/history.htm

      6. @Pat- read my comment above yours. you fail to even get basic facts rights. The Kabah is not even black. Its made of stone and its grey.
        You also got other things wrong. Besides, one cannot just criticize a religion without going through deep study. That’s why i dont even criticize non-political judaism. Because a hasidic jew i know says its difficult to understand the Bible. So if you want to discredit any religion you need to explore it.

      7. @Pat- i specifically remember that Muhammad was a merchant. Thats how he met Khadija, who he worked for.

        So when the night outspread over Ibrahim, he saw a star; he said, “This is my Lord.” But when the star set [in the morning,] he said, ”[This cannot be my Lord because it has passed away,] I do not like the transitory [gods].”
        [On the next night,] when he saw the moon rising, he said, “This is my Lord.” But when the moon set he said, “If my Lord had not guided me, then I shall surely be of (adh-dhaliyn) the people who have gone astray.”
        [In the morning,] when Ibrahim saw the sun rising, he said, “This must be my Lord [because] this is greater [than the star and the moon!]” But when the sun set, he said, “O my people, surely I am free from what you associate [with Allah.] I have sincerely turned myself to Him who originated the heavens and the earth, and I am not one of the polytheists.” [6:76-80

        as for this supposed moon worship BS. Here is a Quranic verse where Abraham/Ibrahim throws it out of the window.

        For God is formless. I personally likened Allah to energy. Surah Ikhlas an important chapter is similar to Newton’s theory about energy. But ofcourse i could be wrong.

      8. Spice –

        You give great advice. I should have thought of doing a little research first. Damn!! I hate that!!
        I just might reach your level if I can just get a few more decades under my belt.

        BUT….BUT….I shall do it without consulting ‘curly-locked’ un-bathed Hasidic Jews.

      9. @Pat- besides pat you need to ask about religion from their adherents or from their books. You dont go to its anti website and look for your facts there. That’s like going to a zionist website to learn about the Palestinian Nakba which of course they will deny. Its called propaganda.

        there are various verses repudiating worship of anything material. And gabriel btw is the archangel(he also appeared to Mother Mary).

        there are some Hadiths(traditions) where some followers asked Muhammad about the Nature of Allah. Muhammad replied that “He is that which you cannot comprehend.” If you hypothesis were true, he could have easily pointed at the moon.

        Either way i realise you lack knowledge about Islamic believes very much. Lasha said that she read the Quran. You can ask her about Islamic believes if you dont believe me..

      10. Spice –

        Thanks, again, for your unsolicited advice.
        I shall ask a Palestinian if he is good.
        I shall ask an Israeli soldier if he is good.
        Then…and ONLY then… I shall know for sure.
        But… I shall never ask a Palestinian in Gaza if an Israeli soldier is good. That answer would contain bias.

        You have been telling me what to do in every comment you posted in this thread. For the first time I shall tell you what to do:
        YOU need to review Logic 101.

      11. @pat- i gave you a verse from the Quran itself where the very notion of this moon worship, sun worship BS is destroyed. Yet knowing your fallacy you didn’t reply. I cant do anything more to explain it to you.
        There are many verses where such paganistic acts were forbidden. Yet for some reason you refuse to listen.
        You havent even read the Quran. And for some reason you’re still sitting in your high horse.

      12. Pat,
        Thanks for sharing the link below. Very Interesting.

        My analysis:

        When God created man, they shared perfect fellowship. When man fell, as time went on, and as his numbers expanded across the globe, they grew farther part and idol worship (e.g. planets, stars, animals, fertility, seasons, weather, men of renown, knowledge…. ) ensued to fill the spiritual void/alienation. A major characteristic of man is that he always worships something, either God, various Idols, himself, or a mixture of the fore mentioned). Modern man/ Post Modern man often deny this about themselves, but it is self evident. “Invictus” comes to mind. “Self worship” is a major characteristic of the West, and probably one of the best examples of this condition would be found in the Talmud and race worship. Patriotism would fit here as well (e.g. heresies of American Exceptionalism, Manifest Destiny, and the like).

        Out of this spiritual chaos, God speaks to the man Moses, a prince in Egypt, and uses him to correct myth and impart truth about who God is and about who man is. Moses is educated and has at his immediate disposal the libraries of Egypt ( myths, black magic, etc.). He also is understands that he is a Hebrew and knows vaguely something about this people as well. God uses Moses to create a people – Hebrews- to reveal himself to alienated humanity, and finally through Jesus the Christ.

      13. Leo – Glad to help.

        My thought is that a perfect god would have created a man and woman who could NOT and would NOT ever fall.
        AND…. That perfect god would NEVER be jealous of other gods… or angry enough to destroy that which was created. Those are traits well below an omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent creator.

        I can only guess.

    2. Does it matter if it was a black cloth..curious they use black, no? The meteorite in the middle is black, no?
      Conspiracy? Con-to come spirate-spirit…to come together in like spirit….hhhmmmm
      No problem with that…all like minded gatherings to accomplish something is conspiracy.
      Religion is a conspiracy…so what. Fools have given the word conspiracy a nasty connotation.
      And fools believe it .

      Do you even understand the idea that saturn may have been our first sun born of the ‘breath of god’ called a herbig-haro object. Is that so difficult to comprehend? This doesn’t diminish divinity at all. In my view it enforces it.

      There’s a reason the structure of the universe and neurons look alike.

      -flek

      1. @flek- moreover hindus when they marry also revolve around a fire.

        I dont think its Saturn the thing, the significant thing is Revolution, going around in an orbit.

      2. HP –

        So many versions…So few facts.

        I guess Mo became a fat guy…like Bhuddy… after his camel jockey job.

        Hind opposed Muhammad tooth and nail. She followed her husband to the battlefield and when Abu Sufyan surrendered Mecca to Muhammad without a fight she caught hold of him in the marketplace and cried:
        “KILL this fat greasy bladder of lard! What a rotten protector of the people”

      3. What, Pat? A poem written and and saved in a museum is a real thing. A fact, not an illusion, not a conjured bit of creative TV or an astrological calculation. This poem written to honor Mahadeva, Lord Shiva, by Muhammad’s uncle, the Vedic priest, is viewable in a museum in Egypt.
        It’s not on the moon or Saturn, or down some rabbit hole.

        There are other facts to be seen and touched, as well.
        Items which if you dropped them on your foot would elicit an OUCH as opposed to – I think OUCH therefore it hurts!

        To infer this is just a version of a idea subject to revision is errant, careless even. Especially for you, Pat.

        “Bursting with (Divine) knowledge
        are SAM &YAJUR bestowed on creation,
        Hence brothers respect and
        follow the Vedas, guides to salvation

        “Wa-isa nain huma RIG ATHAR nasayhin
        Ka-a-Khuwatun
        Wa asant Ala-udan wabowa masha -e-ratun”

        “Two others, the Rig and Athar teach us
        fraternity, Sheltering under their
        lustre dispels darkness till eternity..”

        This poem was written by Labi-Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E-Turfa who lived in Arabia around 1850 B.C. That was 2300 years before Mohammed!!! This verse can be found in Sair- Ul-Okul which is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It was compiled in 1742 AD under order of the Turkish Sultan Salim.

        Vedic Past of Pre-Islamic Arabia

      4. Oh, it’s a Saturn thing,
        Fit for a pope or a king;
        Or even a wedding ring,
        Yes…it’s a Saturn thing…
        and a sun and moon too… 😉

  35. Jesus was a jewish piece of shit. I’d kill the f**ker if he were here now.

    Anyone who buys this jew book is a retard.

    1. And such statements as THAT, little Lonnie, will forever set-at-opposition the likes of me against the likes of YOU. (Go along, now, and play with your little cousin, Sarah Silverman.)

    2. what a hateful comment.

      you should go to israel. they pay people for insulting Jesus. You might even get a kosher certificate.

  36. Once again:

    First, the Old Testament

    (1) The critical information, laws and lessons of the Jews, is contained in the Tanakh, Torah or Christian Pentateuch. These are the “books of Moses,” the first five books of the Bible. What remains, all the way through the Talmud, are commentary and legal arguments pertaining to the laws and customs outlined in those first five books.

    (2) The first five books are not history, but lessons. Essentially these five books of the Torah are a collection of cookbooks whose recipes were intended only for an exclusive priesthood’s eyes and ears. These books contained the laws governing the Jews and lessons of how to “cook” nations and their people, the distillation processes that allow the parasitical Jew to extract a nations wealth and resources, including its people. The story of Joseph is a prime example of one method used in this manner.

    (3) These were originally secret stories transmitted by word of mouth. For obvious reasons, the stories in these books were never intended to be read, heard or understood by the common man, any more then the average American is intended to understand the inner workings of the US government. One might obtain a better idea of the situation by considering the American tax code. This code requires the citizen to sacrifice a portion of their productivity to the ruling class. Yet rules for payment are couched in a Byzantine legal structure too complex for the common man to understand, therefore “experts” must be consulted to assure a proper amount of sacrificial tax has been paid. As with America’s legal code, the stories of the Torah were intended to be interpreted, administered and argued by a staff of legal experts who comprised the body of Temple priests and scribes of their day.

    (4)These stories of the Old Testament are still in use today. Thanks to man’s inherent nature, these ancient methods remain viable and are still in use to distill the resources from those countries comprising western civilization, e.g. The “Tower of Babel” where a confusion of language is brought about by the infusion of different, disparate cultures, a process now known as “unrestricted immigration.” Alternatively, one can believe the Jew’s god instantly sets a homogeneous nation to babbling in different tongues. If you are having problems making a decision which it might be, try shaving the story with Occam’s razor.

    Then there is the story of “Sodom and Gomorrah,” where the moral imperative of destroying overarching evil is invoked to justify the utter destruction of a people by means of a holocaust. Compare the story of these ancient “cities” and their ongoing defamation to the destruction and demonization of National Socialist Germany, or more recently the case of Iraq or Iran. The story of Joseph contains the “recipe” for how the cunning Jew worms his way into a culture and takes over its rule as a top level administrator. This story explains the events that led to the Jew’s Exodus from that culture. The technique of rule by administrators is important enough to be mentioned again in the Protocols of Zion. Many parallels to this story can be found among the other historical events where Jews wormed their way into a host culture, assumed power and began altering the culture to meet their own avaricious desires. Can anyone think of a present day example?

    Next comes the story of Moses, a crypto Jew who uses his royal influence to once again fleece the Egyptians of their gold before leading “his people” out of the depleted host culture to a nonexistent “promised land”. This story is an abject lesson of the Jew’s basic survival technique when a host culture wakes up to their cultural and economic depredations. This is the same type of “Exodus” used by the Jews of Weimar Germany. When Hitler began emulating Egypt’s Pharaoh, the more affluent Jews “shoved diamonds up their tuchas’s” and fled the country for greener pastures, primarily America.

    Second, the New Testament

    Jesus was the answer to the Old Testament laws bleeding the Judeans of their wealth to enrich the Temple and its priestly caste. He was the mashiach promising to provide a final atonement for the sins of an oppressed people, sins that demand continual, impoverishing absolution to the Temple. Since “gentiles” or non-Temple Jews did not carry the burden imposed on them by the Temple’s sacrificial system, Jesus did not address them, thus his statement that he had only come for “the lost sheep of Israel.”

    “The word Messiah is a transliteration of the Hebrew word meshiahh (meh-shee-ahh – the “hh” is pronounced hard like the “ch” in the name Bach). This word comes from the root mashahh meaning “to smear” as in Jeremiah 22:14 where it is usually translated as “painted”. In the ancient world olive oil was a very versatile commodity. It was used in cooking as well as a medicine as it is a disinfectant, no shepherd was without a flask of olive oil which he smeared on his or his sheep’s injuries. The verb mashahh is also translated as “anointed”, as in Exodus 29:7, in the sense of smearing olive oil on the head. This ceremony was performed on anyone becoming a King, Priest or Prophet in the service of Yahweh. From the root mashahh comes the noun meshiahh literally meaning “one who is smeared with olive oil for office of authority” or, as it is usually translated, “anointed”. This word is also used for any “one who holds an office of authority” (such as a king or priest) even if that person was not ceremonially smeared with oil. A good example of this is Cyrus, the King of Persia. While he was not ceremonially smeared with oil, he was one of authority who served Yahweh through his decree allowing Israel to return to Jerusalem.” http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/27_messiah.html

    Jesus was not only a Jew, he was a Temple priest “anointed” into the priesthood by his cousin John, also a renegade member of the priesthood. This explains the careful description of Jesus’s bloodline. Only those with a proper bloodline were admitted into the priesthood. It also explains the description of Jesus’s “baptism.” This was actually a ceremonial Mikveh and the details of the story confirm this was not a simple ritual cleansing of sins, but a priestly initiation witnessed by three priests as prescribed by law.

    Temple priests were the Jewish culture’s ultimate authority on all matters. During the second Temple era there was no separation of Temple and state. There were no lines of demarcation for economics, politics, religion and law all was one under the priest’s’ second Temple. Thus, only priests had the authority to absolve sin and address legal issues, like those concerning a proclamation of death or delivering the blessing on wine, acts that could invoke sacrificial atonement or payment for service. This same situation can be witnessed in the catholic church where priests are considered the only authorities on church law and only a priest can administer the various sacraments necessary for atonement.

    Under the second temple’s sacrificial system, only priests had the required authority to teach, argue or refute the law. Jesus’s extensive knowledge of Levirate law is highlighted in the story of how, at the age of thirteen, he wowed Temple authorities with his knowledge of their law. Had Jesus not been a Jew, he could not have been a priest, or kohein; had he not been a priest, no one would have paid the slightest attention to him or his teachings. This is all the more true for the highly clannish in-group of Temple followers. Imagine a non-Jew traveling to Tel Aviv to proclaim he is Israel’s new religious leader, the new chief rebbe, and as such he now claims the authority to question Israeli law. In this example, one has an excellent idea of how absurd this same act would have been for a non-Jew of the second Temple period. Had this been the case, the temple priests would not have had to subject Jesus to a trial and sentence him to death, they simply would have laughed him out of Jerusalem.

    In the same manner of the catholic church of medieval period, the priests of the second temple period wielded immense legal power, even to a condemnation of death. The Temple priests often had people quietly murdered to remove opposition; however, as a member of the priestly brotherhood, Jesus presented a very special case that required public execution. Because the Romans required their administrators to oversee all public executions, the Temple priest had to employ Pilate to officiate Jesus’s execution.

    Considering the above facts, how can one suggest “justifying” the Bible? The concept is an utter absurdity! There can be no justification for the Bible, any more than there is justification for a cookbook. One cannot “justify” history either, one can only observe its passing. These are matters of fact, how one feels about them bears no relevance to these events.

    1. @ Arch Stanton

      Jesus was not only a Jew, he was a Temple priest “anointed” into the priesthood by his cousin John, also a renegade member of the priesthood. This explains the careful description of Jesus’s bloodline. Only those with a proper bloodline were admitted into the priesthood. It also explains the description of Jesus’s “baptism.” This was actually a ceremonial Mikveh and the details of the story confirm this was not a simple ritual cleansing of sins, but a priestly initiation witnessed by three priests as prescribed by law.”

      Thank you for clarifying and reinforcing the simple point made my Darkmoon: that Jesus was a Jew. In the circumstances, he could hardly have been anything else. I fear that Darkmoon, in speaking the unvarnished truth, is going to lose her best friends among the implacable anti-Semites. For the extreme Jew haters, Jesus simply HAS to be a non-Jew — and preferably a Jew-hater himself! — in order to receive a modicum of respect and reverence for his teachings.

      Once it is clear to these Jew haters that Jesus was a Jew, they will gather their spit and direct at it the Crucified One on his cross, screaming with demented rage, “Oh, why weren’t you a nice Aryan gentleman with blue eyes so that I could go on loving you and admiring the Sermon on the Mount!”

      1. Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo….. how touching…… Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo…. how our dear lasha suffers so to bring us the truth….. Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo….. she carries the weight of our precious “Jesus was a jew” Cross on her strong shoulders, why our dear Lasha carries The Weight of The Whole Besotted World on her truth-loving brave strong shoulders, shoulders draped with Mohammedan girl garb…. Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo….. what a sweetheart to suffer so for our sake and for our Salvation…… why I could just cry me a river of tears of Gratitude Unto Lasha the “Catholic” bedecked in ali baba religious garb that would completely inundate & flood the land between the TWO rivers forever drowning and effectively silencing Unto Eternity the tower of babel gibberish one hears in our society today …. Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo…..

      2. @ TheRealOriginalJoe

        Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo….. how touching…… Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo…. how our dear lasha suffers so to bring us the truth….. Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo…..

        You and Lobro are birds of a feather, except he is slightly more intellectual than you. You and he should join hands and dance on the cross of Christ — the God that failed for no other reason than this: he turned out to be a JEW!

        Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo . . . ! 🙂

        Buy your joss sticks and candles now and worship at the altar of Hannibal Lecter. He’s the only God that will suit you. A Jew-hating cannibal serial killer!

      3. @ Fr John

        I NEVER said Christ failed, Fr. John, all I ever said was THE TRUTH : Jesus was NOT a jew. Never said Christ failed, I said and will continue to speak THE TRUTH : Jesus was NOT a jew. That’s all I said, Fr. John, that Jesus was NOT a jew , no reason, certainly no sane reason, no good reason, to go into dramatic hysterics about it.

        Certainly and surely, one can be a Christian knowing THE TRUTH that Jesus was NOT a jew. For certain, those who preach otherwise have an agenda, an insidious and perfidious agenda at that. That’s all I ever said and that’s what I’m saying to you now.

        All the hysterics in the world can’t change THE TRUTH.

  37. Listening to Jesse Ventura go head to head with Alex tonight (full of rich analysis, information and disagreement), I’m reminded of Jon and Lasha. We can all take on Jon’s views. I would/could, have here and there, on other sites. For now, I’d like to proclaim, Jesus said the Old Testament was written about him and to read it right we need God. So ask as you read? Are you there, could you inspire, jog, whisper, prompt – be real – show up?
    Maybe the God of the Old and New is alive?
    Seen in and through and with….
    Mark

    1. Prophetic references from the Old Testament were used to validate Jesus’ claim as Messiah. Working within the system was essential if the people were to listen to and accept Jesus’ messianic message. After all, it was Old Testament prophecies that introduced the idea of a messiah in the first place. Jesus was a product of the Essene. He and his ministry were secretly supported by this brotherhood who held intense opposition to the temple’s sacrificial system and its corrupt laws. Essentially the Essene were saying, “Jesus is the Messiah as prophesied by your book!

      “Stealing” the temple’s legal and prophetic thunder and using it against them was what enraged the priesthood. Hitler did exactly the same thing when he took the Jew banker’s money to fund the building of his political party, which he then turned against them. WWII, the Holocausting and demonization of Germany was the result of Hitler’s actions against Jews. Take a picture of Jesus and put it beside Hitler. Take a long look at the two most hated men in Jewish history, hated because they both attacked the priesthood’s economic system using the Jew’s own resources. Compared to these two men, Haman rates a distant third on their hate list, his being reduced to a mere holiday only Jews recognize and celebrate.

      Temple followers accepted the Old Testament quotes and references used by Jesus, this is why his ministry had such profound effect on temple culture. Some of the prophecies, like the one that foretold the Messiah would ride through the east gate on a donkey, were manufactured specifically for the purpose of validating Jesus’ messianic claim. This tactic of working within the system has long been a technique used by Jews to validate their claims. They have used this method time and again against the American goyim. First, they rewrite the laws in their favor and have them passed into existence by a legal system they dominate. Then they turn around and tell the goyim, “look the (your own) law say this is the case, how can you refute the (your own) laws?

      Anyone on a true search for enlightenment or the true path to “God” would do well to avoid any Jewish based religion or culture. What Jesus taught was intended for the specific time, place and people of the second temple period, people oppressed by the Temple’s sacrificial system. Therefore, his ministry has no relevancy to anyone not laboring under that system. Perhaps the last people to be affected by a similar system were the people who labored under the catholic church, whose influence and sacrificial burden were similar to the Jew’s system of the second temple period. While some of the concepts espoused by Jesus may be seen as “universal truths,” his ministry has no relevancy to anyone past the time of the Second Temple.

      1. Arch Stanton, you have confirmed my words and Gilbert H’s support of them, in stating:
        “Jesus was a product of the Essene. He and his ministry were secretly supported by this brotherhood who held intense opposition to the temple’s sacrificial system and its corrupt laws.”
        That is why over 35% of Jesus’ “New Testament to Mankind” contains His extreme anger at the “sons of the abomination” religionists who occupy the Second Temple. That is why he “upset the tables of the money-changers”, etc.
        Can I put it more SIMPLY than the above?
        And despite what anyone says, in Deuteronomy, YHWH/God totally rejects the people (Israelites) he has nurtured through the deserts and, as The True Torah Jews Against Zionism teach, these people “still await Divine Redemption for their sins; and should not be masquerading as Israelites in modern “Israel.”
        Jesus’ New Testament created a whole NEW ball-game, withe the introduction of the concept of universal love and doing unto others….”, etc.
        Anyone who tries to say I am WRONG here, as PAT-sy always likes to do, is an arrant nave, who knows NOTHING about the full Bible.

      2. Now, Biloney –

        If you could just spell those darned BIG words!!
        ‘Nave’ is an aisle in a church. Knave is a bloke… Mr ‘Clever.’

        I told you those deeeplomas from Walmart just aren’t worth it!!
        Getcha’ a real one. Start with an Associates of Wallabe Watchin’….or Platypus Pettin’. 😉

    2. Thank you, Mark. (I will also endeavor to listen to Alex Jones, tonight, and his confab with Jesse Ventura…)

  38. This comment is specifically for Pat.
    Here is a verse of the Quran that repudiates the notion of this silly moon/sun/planet worship notion. Hopefully he can read it:
    So when
    the night
    outspread
    over
    Ibrahim,
    he saw a
    star; he
    said, “This
    is my
    Lord.” But
    when the
    star set [in
    the
    morning,]
    he said,
    ”[This
    cannot be
    my Lord
    because it
    has
    passed
    away,] I
    do not like
    the
    transitory
    [gods].”
    [On the
    next
    night,]
    when he
    saw the
    moon
    rising, he
    said, “This
    is my
    Lord.” But
    when the
    moon set
    he said,
    “If my
    Lord had
    not guided
    me, then I
    shall
    surely be
    of (adh-
    dhaliyn)
    the people
    who have
    gone
    astray.”
    [In the
    morning,]
    when
    Ibrahim
    saw the
    sun rising,
    he said,
    “This
    must be
    my Lord
    [because]
    this is
    greater
    [than the
    star and
    the
    moon!]”
    But when
    the sun
    set, he
    said, “O
    my people,
    surely I
    am free
    from what
    you
    associate
    [with
    Allah.] I
    have
    sincerely
    turned
    myself to
    Him who
    originated
    the
    heavens
    and the
    earth, and
    I am not
    one of the
    polytheists
    .” [6:76-
    80

  39. Max here, my last two sends disappeared. Have I been censored out? Checking!

    TOBY: No, you are not being censored. Have checked in spam. Nothing from you in there. Not our fault if your comments have gone astray. Try saving your comments in future…you could then try posting them again.

  40. Max (et.al.),

    We must not hold Lasha and Uncle Toby to such high standards of infallibility. They are doing us a service, here. We can rant and rave about all the shit we want – and not be censored for it.

    When I learned Lasha was a married woman, I began to hold her to a less grueling standard – as should you. She is only mortal, and rightfully cognizant and dutiful of her own obligations. She cannot mortally perform otherwise for us than she has done. We are very fortunate that her uncle Toby and cousin Monte look out for her. Be kind! 🙂

    1. @ Gilbert Huntly

      “When I learned Lasha was a married woman, I began to hold her to a less grueling standard…”

      This is news to me! I had no idea my niece was a married woman! She could be divorced, she could be widowed, she could even have a partner, but married she is certainly not — unless it is a secret marriage. 🙂

      BTW, I checked with Lasha if she had ever told you she was a married woman. She said she had never told you any such thing. You must have have put two and two together and got five!

  41. Whether she is – or isn’t – doesn’t matter. Apparently, I am mistaken, if you say so. In any event, I hold her in too high regard to not give her benefit of doubt, or suggest others do same. (You, too, by association.) 🙂

  42. Readers will seek in vain a Hindu who views Buddhism as a “branch” of Hinduism. Instead, it could be said that the relationship of Buddhism to Hinduism is somewhat comparable to that of “Lutheranism” (i.e., the Protestant reformation) to Roman Catholicism. Neither does this mean that Toshiyori is an “enemy” of the Roman Catholic church or of its Pope. On the contrary, many of Toshiyori’s dearest friends are, or were, followers of the R.C. tradition. Why? Because, fundamentally, they are good people. Jews are the source of all our discontent. And why? Because they are so vile and despicable that we must struggle even to pray for them. Oh, how much easier it is to wish that Hitler really had gassed 6 million of them! Alas, today everyone knows that the “holocaust” was merely another among the Jews’ innumerable immense lies. Indeed, the Jews are masters of deceit. But, they are also pathetically Ignorant of the law o f karma: “What goes around, comes around.” Surely the last Jew on Earth will be stuffed and mounted for display at the Museum of Natural History in Manhattan, where it will serve as God’s eternal warning against the sin of hubris.

  43. Can anybody help us on the following: In our time period of 2015 years – are there any written documents of any sort available from the first 400 years and where is it located

  44. The word of God?

    I say: Mathematics, physics, and genetics are the real word of God.

    There may be nuggets of poetry in the so-called Bible, but those parts were plagiarized from more poetic peoples than the Jews. The rest is insane nonsense, insane hatefulness, or insanely overblown reactions against the same. Not for us, not of us, not noble, not Aryan.

    1. Kevin –

      I met some of your group (maybe you were there, maybe not) at a League of The South gathering in Staunton about ten years ago. My friend and I brought Eustace Mullins. Y’all were confrontational then, and you’re too confrontational now. Your patron, William Pierce, had MUCH more moxy – and a much better way with people. Try some emulation. 🙂

  45. Old Testament can well be understood, only if one considers the two creation stories in the Bible. One was of Man=The Human Spirit. That is why Ezekiel is referred by God as Son of Man. “ Son of Man. Speak to the members of your nation. Say this to them, “ When I send the sword against a country, the people of that country select one of themselves and post him as a sentry”Ezekiel 33:1-20

    Yahweh, was the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Man, speaking together. “I Am” is the title that God gave himself which identifies God as the likeness of Man, who also uses “I am” “I am” is the Logos, the Word of God, which is also in Man. So, The Old Testament expresses the nature of God, before He knew Himself as Man, and the Man before he knew Himself as the Image of God.

    So, when God and Man, the Human Spirit created another Spirit, this Spirit was the True Image of Man, and the True Image of God. This Spirit, was, and is the Christ. He is the Son of God, and also the Son of Man, the Human Spirit. “ For the Father who is the source of life, has made the Son, the source of Life. And because he is the Son of Man, he has appointed him Supreme Judge” John 5: 27-28 Yahweh, was the Holy Spirit of God, before He knew Himself as the Image of Man. He was the Creatively Subjective Spirit, subjective to God, and the Human Spirit. He, in Holiness, accepted that He created good, from God, and evil from the Human Spirit. He could not accuse the Human Spirit for creating evil because He did not know what it was to be human, and the Spirit of Man, did not know what it was to be a Spirit. Man, did not know himself as Spirit, that is why, he worshiped imaginary gods. He still does. Unfortunately.

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