BREAKING: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot dead in Ankara

A gunman has shot dead Russia’s ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, apparently in protest at Russia’s involvement in the Syrian conflict.

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ANDREI KARLOV, Russian ambassador to Turkey,
gunned down earlier today in Ankara

Several other people were reportedly also injured in the attack, a day after protests in Turkey over Russian support for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The killer, said to be an off-duty Turkish policeman, opened fire at point blank range as Mr Karlov made a speech.

Police later “neutralised” the attacker, Turkish media say.

Mr Karlov was rushed to hospital, reports said, but his death was later confirmed by the Russian foreign ministry.

Condemning the attack as an act of “terrorism”, ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Turkey had given assurances that there would be a comprehensive investigation, and those responsible would be punished.

Speaking outside the hospital where Mr Karlov was taken, Ankara’s Mayor, Melih Gokcek, said the killing was intended to ruin his country’s relations with Russia.

The attack was swiftly condemned by other countries:

US state department spokesman John Kirby: “We condemn this act of violence, whatever its source. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.”

UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson: “Shocked to hear of despicable murder of Russia’s Ambassador to Turkey. My thoughts are with his family. I condemn this cowardly attack.”

While there were protests in recent days about the situation in Aleppo, on a political level the Turkish and Russian governments have been co-operating in the ceasefire operation, the BBC’s Turkey correspondent, Mark Lowen, reports.

Before the attack happened, a meeting of the Russian, Turkish and Iranian foreign ministers had been planned in Moscow for Tuesday.

But tonight it seems the political fight over Syria’s future has spilled over into public hatred, our correspondent says.

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THE TURKISH ASSASSIN,
an off-duty Turkish policeman

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45 thoughts on “BREAKING: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot dead in Ankara

  1. He was heard yelling “Don’t forget about Aleppo, don’t forget about Syria” and used the Arabic phrase “Allahu Akbar” (God is great).

    AND:

    German police say they’ve arrested a suspect believed to be the driver of a truck that rammed into a crowded Christmas market in the center of Berlin, killing at least nine and causing multiple injuries.

    AND:

    A man burst into a Muslim prayer hall in the Swiss city of Zurich on Monday and started shooting, injuring three men, according to police, who have launched a manhunt for the shooter.

    1. He was heard yelling “Don’t forget about Aleppo, don’t forget about Syria” and used the Arabic phrase “Allahu Akbar” (God is great).

      What is Aleppo? asks Gary Johnson, the former New Mexico governor and Libertarian Party presidential nominee.

      “Allahu Akbar is Dead. Mission Accomplished.” — George Dubya Bush

  2. “…Before the attack happened, a meeting of the Russian, Turkish and Iranian foreign ministers had been planned in Moscow for Tuesday…”

    If this is a false flag, then the purpose is clear enough : to prevent cooperation between Russia, Turkey and Iran to solve the Syrian crisis, all for the sake of Israel that wants Syria be destroyed according to the Oded Yinon Plan.

    For the Oded Yinon Plan, see : http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle…/5324815

    1. Wouldn’t it be more accurate to call him the “Khazarian Candidate”? … just asking.

      Are there any Bible scholars here who could tell me if it would be A-ok for Putin to seek vengeance against the Jews by knocking off their King Jacob Rothschild? “An eye for an eye” sort of thing? Or does “Vengeance is mine” said YAHWEH preclude that option? … again, just asking. 🙂

      1. He needs to knock them all off or another one of them might seek revenge. He needs to go roman on all of the extended family. Could be easy to miss any bastard soon or daughter though. There are probably quite a lot of them around. For the simple reaason that they can fly under the radar and thus become valuable assets much later.

      2. @ Justice For Chinese

        I’m no Biblical scholar, but this is my take on your question.

        If you are a Judeo-Christian (oxymoron), believing that the Old Testament has validity, you can get around the Commandment of not killing by merely saying that God told you to kill someone the same way that the Israelites killed everyone and all their animals in the “promised land” because God told them to do it. Blaming God for violating a Commandment is okay even if the God of the Old Testament (Yahweh) said that vengeance was his. So in this case, the answer to your question is yes as long as you claim that God told you to do it.

        If you are a Christian that is a follower of the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels, you cannot get around the Commandment of not killing unless it is in defense of yourself or another of your fellowmen. There is no way to blame the Heavenly Father for killing someone. If someone kills another in a moment of rage or in vengeance for killing someone, the killer can ask for forgiveness from the Heavenly Father and they will find out when they die if they were forgiven. So, the answer to your question in this case is no.

        Everyone gets to pick which ever option they want. 🙂

      3. @ UNGENIUS,
        Both of your examples share the ancient and common mistake, that in both of them the individual thinks he has become the sole arbiter of right and wrong, the necessary and only ‘Decider’.
        Justifying killing in “…defense of … fellowmen.” requires no less a personal decision than killing because you thought “God told you” to. But is it really our decision to make?

        All of us, believers, skeptics and Saints, choose every day, based on our own limited understanding of what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. But God works in mysterious ways, and the paths we take may sometimes be chosen for us.
        You might enjoy reading the passage in chapter 31 of Mark Twain’s ‘Adventures of Huckleberry Finn’ which begins “So I was full of trouble, full as I could be…” and ends “All right then, I’ll go to hell…”, which illustrates well a true Christian spirit.
        Or, as Simone Weil puts it…”If it were conceivable that in obeying God one should bring about one’s own damnation while in disobeying him one could be saved, I should still choose the way of obedience.”

      4. JFC
        “Wouldn’t it be more accurate to call him the “Khazarian Candidate”? … ”
        No, khazarian don’t appear on crime scenes,they use proxies who carry out the dirty job for them.”The manchurian candidate” was initially a documentary depicting how a person is hypnotized and assigned a mission with a trigger sign (word, sound, picture, ect.) to carry out the mission at the appropriate time and place. The MC wouldn’t remember what he did when back into “normal mode”.
        I browsed the expression on you tube but I can’t find it.Instead a multitude of clips and movies (fiction) were put there, probably to muddy the waters and discredit this CIA operation of mind control as a conspiracy theory.

      5. @ S.W.

        “But is it really our decision to make?”

        Due to the Heavenly Father’s gift of free will, the decision to kill is always our decision as with all actions we take. If I am holding the gun, it is definitely my decision as to whether to not to pull the trigger. The Heavenly Father is the one deciding if our action is right or wrong.

        “…the paths we take may sometimes be chosen for us.”

        It has been my experience that the path is presented, but we have to decide wether to follow the presented path or not which is consistent with free will. Otherwise, predestination is in effect and we are really just two legged squirrels.

        “…in obeying God one should bring about one’s own damnation…”

        Choosing the wrong God could have this result. Personally, I’ll stick with the God of Jesus, the Heavenly Father.

  3. Judging from the picture, it looks like he was a very thoughtful, considerate and safety-conscious assassin who waits until he’s ready to fire before putting his finger inside the trigger guard. Very impressive.

  4. Why does this incident give me that queasy feeling in the pit of my subconscious that says Archduke Ferdinand/Sarajevo/assassination? Does anyone remember the event that precipitated Austria-Hungary’s declaration of war against Serbia that led to the first major global conflagration?

    1. This could have serious consequences.

      Karlov is the first Russian Ambassador killed anywhere in the world since 1829, when well-known playwright Alexander Griboyedov, then Russian Ambassador to Iran, was killed along with his entire embassy staff when an angry mob stormed the building.

      While that was a big deal at the time, backdropped by the Great Game efforts by Britain and Russia to establish greater control over Central Asia, today’s incident is potentially a much bigger deal, as Turkey is a NATO member nation.

      Having the Russian Ambassador to a NATO state being assassinated in that nation’s capital city by a member of that nation’s police force looks really bad, particularly given the current level of NATO hostility toward Russia.

      http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/19/turkish-cop-assassinates-russian-ambassador-for-aleppo/

      1. Both the Russian and the Turkish leadership are aware of the possible risks and have their relationship under control. From the article :

        “…Turkey’s president said the attack was aimed at hurting ties with Russia.

        Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke to Russian President Vladimir Putin by phone and, in a video message, said that they both agreed it was an act of “provocation”.

        He said that those who wanted to harm relations between the two countries “would not achieve it”.

        In televised remarks, Mr Putin said the act was “undoubtedly a provocation aimed at disrupting the normalisation” of bilateral ties and the “peace process in Syria”…”

        The (((US))) cannot force a crisis (or even a war) between the two countries if they themselves don’t want it.

      2. Neither can Russia “afford” a war with America. Perhaps what will happen is a LOUD rattling of sabres to provoke a face-saving agreement whereby Russia’s and America’s mutual bedfellow Israel can be satisfied.
        Always, “follow the money”. (We ain’t goin’ to war over it!)

      3. The WORLD cannot afford a war – much less America (NATO) and Russia (with China at its back). The business entanglements are too vast and complicated, and the masters of capital too influencial…

      4. yes, Phil remembered and also this, from Franklin

        Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke to Russian President Vladimir Putin by phone and, in a video message, said that they both agreed it was an act of “provocation”.

        The alleged assassin doesn’t look OFF-duty to me, more like ON-duty.
        Like a member of a security detail.

        if i can try to read into Erdogan’s comment, he may be wondering if the arrangement was by the same forces that tried to overthrow him earlier.
        the same forces that have 30 days left to incite a worldwide conflagration and will continue to resort to ever more desperate measures within this short window of opportunity.
        the same forces that are endlessly screaming about russian takeover of the United States and accusing trump of being Putin’s catamite.

        Austro-hungary fell for it because they were a bunch of Aryan naifs, they figured what-you-see-is-what-you-get but on the Planet Jew, the exact opposite is true, the global 3-card-monty runs day and night and everything must be reinterpreted thru the lens of carefully planned deceit.

        the soulless pack of shabbos that endlessly posed in the street photo-op holding hands, shoulder-to-shoulder in defiant unity on the streets of Paris in the aftermath of the charlie hebdo staged event will be curiously muted this time, no public show of determination, sorry, Shabbat coming up and we’ll be busy with light switches.
        watch for a different kind of unity dance, interlocked arms, shrugging-shoulder-to-shrugging-shoulder.

    2. Arch –

      Phil remembered….

      From above:

      phil
      December 19, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      Or Sarajevo1914, one gunshot 10 million deaths.

  5. The difference between this assassination and those of the past that sparked wars is that Russia is governed by chess players and patriots. They will seek to apply maximum pressure on two-faced Turkish diplomats to find a solution in Syria advantageous to Russia and the world. Ambassador Karlov will have died courageously serving the motherland. Yes, in a country with high numbers of armed loonies, being ambassador is courageous.

    Makes one wonder about Trump. I listened to his Ohio thank-you speech. He is a ferocious anti-globalist on all fronts, yes with Zionist family ties. I can’t imagine how he can survive globalist hatred. Perhaps he has a special lightweight bullet proof vest. Suggest he keeps agency staff off the stage and bring in his armed sons for protection. Never give speeches in open spaces. Like Castro, he should have his own domestic cow for milk pasturing at the top of Trump Towers.

    1. Flan –

      I have trouble with anyone claiming Trump is not a globalist. He wants to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. That means no Palestinian state in that land:

      TRUMP TEAM STICKS TO ISRAEL EMBASSY MOVE; ENVOY PICK DRAWS MIXED REACTION

      WASHINGTON/JERUSALEM, Dec 16 (Reuters) – Donald Trump
      remains firmly committed to his controversial campaign promise
      to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, the
      president-elect’s transition team said on Friday, as Israeli
      officials welcomed his choice of a pro-Israel hard-liner as
      ambassador to the country.

      Trump spokesman Jason Miller said bankruptcy lawyer David
      Friedman, whose nomination was announced on Thursday,
      “shares the same viewpoint” that the embassy
      should be relocated, despite the risk of upending decades of
      U.S. policy and enraging the Muslim world. But Miller said it
      was “premature” to present a timetable for such a move.

      While several right-wing Israeli officials praised
      Friedman’s selection, liberal Jewish-American groups have raised
      objections over his previously stated positions, including
      support for Jewish settlement building and advocacy of Israeli
      annexation of the West Bank.

      “If he is confirmed, it will be very hard for Israelis,
      Palestinians, Arabs, Europeans and others not to conclude …
      that the United States is no longer on board with a two-state
      solution,” said Khaled Elgindy, a former adviser to the
      Palestinian leadership who is now at the Brookings Institution
      think tank in Washington.

      Other U.S.-based analysts said that while Friedman’s
      appointment could signal a break with President Barack Obama’s
      sometimes tough approach to ally Israel, U.S. ambassadors
      typically do not drive Middle East policy and it was still
      unclear how far Trump would be prepared to go.

      Contacted by phone, Friedman, who must be confirmed by the
      U.S. Senate before taking up his post, declined to answer
      questions about his positions and experience or the debate his
      nomination has triggered.

      “I’ll do that at some point, but I’m not providing any
      comments just yet,” he told Reuters.

      While campaigning, Trump pledged to switch the embassy from
      Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, all but enshrining the city as Israel’s
      capital regardless of international objections.

      Israel and the Palestinians, who are seeking a state of
      their own, both claim Jerusalem as their capital, and successive
      U.S. administrations have said the city’s status must be
      negotiated. It is one of the thorniest issues in the
      Israeli-Palestinan dispute. Jerusalem contains sites sacred to
      Jews, Muslims and Christians, making its status even more of a
      hot-button issue.

      In Thursday’s announcement, Friedman – a close Trump
      associate with no diplomatic experience – said he looked forward
      to doing the job “from the U.S. embassy in Israel’s eternal
      capital, Jerusalem.”

      “This is a commitment that the president-elect made numerous
      times on the campaign trail that he remains firmly committed
      to,” Miller told reporters on a conference call.

      Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was satisfied with
      Friedman’s appointment, according to the Israeli website Ynet.
      The conservative premier has had fractious ties with Obama.

      “Appointing David Friedman … is a positive declaration of
      intent,” Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked tweeted. “David is a
      true friend of Israel, encouraging with all his strength
      construction in the settlements in the West Bank.”

      Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely was quoted by
      pro-settler Arutz 7 website as saying Friedman’s stance
      “reflects the will to strengthen Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.”

      Friedman, in writings and news interviews, has aligned
      himself with Israel’s far right, backing settlement building on
      occupied land and questioning whether the Palestinians should
      get a state, a bedrock of U.S. policy.

      He has called liberal Jewish Americans supporting a
      two-state solution “worse than kapos,” a reference to Jewish
      prisoners in World War Two concentration camps assigned by Nazi
      guards to supervise fellow inmates.

      J Street, a liberal pro-Israel group, told supporters
      Friedman’s appointment was “unacceptable” and it would fight to
      persuade U.S. senators not to confirm his nomination.

      1. Jewish “kapos,” twisted psychopaths that they were then and still are, actually committed many of the camp atrocities they later blamed on Germans. Solomon “table leg” Morel is a classic example of the kapo mentality. He was a real life inglorious bastard.

      2. Hi PAT

        He is a ferocious anti-globalist on all fronts, yes with Zionist family ties.

        I did say he had Zionist family ties. The treatment of arabs in by Israelis is deplorable, as is the creation of the state in the first place. Trump is intelligent. He cannot win on all fronts. I hope by just changing the designation of a building it will afford him slack to do better for justice in that region later.

        But, this has little to do with globalism. Anti globalism means:
        1. Halting immigration with a wall not a fence,
        2. Halting immigration from states where it is unlikely to find cultural allies and where it is impossible to perform proper vetting,
        3. Supporting financially and venerating family as opposed to an intent to feminise society and destroy family via divisive destructive support of tiny minorities (0.3% lesbian, 0.6% up hill gardeners).
        4. Stop stupid wars abroad.
        5.Stop manipulation and subversion of foreign countries.
        6.Pro middle class – essential to create jobs for all.

        These things are anathema to globalists.

      3. Flan –

        Thanks for the reply.

        You wrote:

        “Anti globalism means:”
        1. Halting immigration with a wall not a fence,
        2. Halting immigration from states where it is unlikely to find cultural allies and where it is impossible to perform proper vetting,
        3. Supporting financially and venerating family as opposed to an intent to feminise society and destroy family via divisive destructive support of tiny minorities (0.3% lesbian, 0.6% up hill gardeners).
        4. Stop stupid wars abroad.
        5.Stop manipulation and subversion of foreign countries.
        6.Pro middle class – essential to create jobs for all.

        “These things are anathema to globalists.”

        I have actively participated in 14 presidential election cycles. I have seen more than that.
        What you listed was campaign rhetoric… empty promises to become popular enough for people to believe they elected a candidate…. any candidate… who was actually (s)elected years ago.. I don’t fall for it anymore….

        Maybe it takes a dozen such cycles to realize the fables.

        The most famous campaign lie was: “Read my lips. NO NEW TAXES..!!” Then, one of the first acts GHW Bush signed was to raise taxes. 🙂

        He had an excuse, as all the rest did. Good reasons for signing the tax raising bills…. a budget crisis.

        Along with the budget crisis, Bush became president as the Savings and Loans industry was collapsing….. because of his orchestrating the ‘Silverado debacle’ with his sons. Even before the election, in February 1989, with many S&Ls failing, Bush proposed a plan to help bail out the industry….. which he helped collapse..!! So…. he was lying the whole time..!!
        GHW Bush reached a compromise with Congress that ended up costing taxpayers more than $100 billion.

        Trump will have the proper excuses why he will falter on empty shouts of promises….. and resort to COMPROMISES with congress and others.

        Trump never mentioned the most important globalist plan…. UN Agenda-21. It IS moving forward very rapidly.

        ALL national leaders are liars. 🙂

    2. Pat, appointing Friedman may mean much and it may mean nothing in particular.
      There is no country whose ambassador to Israel is not a Jew, this seems to be an unwritten law, even among the Arab countries.

      what MAY be happening and i obviously don’t know, only can guess is that it may spell the end of Israel as a “Jewish State”.
      because it seems that both Trump and friedman favor a One-State solution.

      the two-state was an elaborate kabuki put on by jews of all apparent stripes in a display of seamless lying teamwork, where they haggled off and on for 50 years about mindless minutiae one pseudo-faction represented by “religious” hardliners and settlers, the other by “secular liberals” who shed reptilian tears for Palestine while ensuring that absolutely nothing happens in the protracted rounds of negotiation, like watching an ant struggle in aspic.
      And what it did was enable the de-facto apartheid to continue unmolested and unstoppable, Jew owns all of the land while pretending that he doesn’t so that double standards apply without a hitch, oppression for Palestinians, luxury for Jews.

      What happens when the 2-state is collapsed into 1-state?

      Palestinians become citizens of the same state as Jews.
      They are already a majority now and will assume ever greater proportion of the demographic weight.
      Think: access to medical services, schools, universities, clean water – political representation in knesset!
      You think that once they are in position to elect a Palestinian prime minister, it will be a Jewish State?

      jews will be heading out en-mass.

      1. Lobro –

        It is not what I “think” – guess – but what Friedman “thinks” and does.

        “Friedman, in writings and news interviews, has aligned himself with Israel’s far right, BACKING settlement building on occupied land and QUESTIONING whether the Palestinians should get a state, a bedrock of U.S. policy.”

        It also matters more what Netanyahu “thinks” as well:

        “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was satisfied with Friedman’s appointment…”

        If ‘they’ are happy… you should be sad. 🙂

      2. @ Lobro

        Good point on the Single State solution. That is probably why they want to exterminate the Palestinians besides just their joy of killing goyim.

        “jews will be heading out en-mass.” That means they will be coming to the USA. Hopefully, they will settle in the already super infested areas like New York City and Los Angeles.

        Speaking of Trump’s actions may or may not mean anything, I caught the last few minutes of Trump’s thank you rally in Mobile, AL. He closed his speech with “Merry Christmas and Happy New Year” quite loudly, paused a couple of seconds and repeated it again very loudly. Ever since his Carrier speech, he has closed with the same Christmas line. Trump has not used Happy Holidays a single time even though Hanukah is on Christmas Eve this year. Because of how he ended in Mobile, it appears that he is making a point to the jews by being politically incorrect, you are not in control any longer. Yes, there are jews in his group of appointees, but Trump is at the top of the heap and intends to be in control. Of course, time will tell if my speculation is correct.

      3. Lobro –

        See this LAND-GRAB trick in Israel. Trump agrees:

        ISRAEL’S NETANYAHU URGES SETTLERS SET FOR EVICTION TO GO QUIETLY

        * Dec. 25 deadline set for evacuation of Amona outpost

        * Bill to legalize settlement homes condemned by West, U.N.

        Israeli officials are also concerned that the bill could provide grounds for prosecution by the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Palestinians condemned the measure as a land grab in territory they seek for a state.

        But U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has emboldened the Israeli far right as he has signalled a more accepting U.S. stance on settlements and called for the U.S. Embassy to be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, which would break longstanding U.S. foreign policy and anger the Muslim world.

        https://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2016/Dec-16/385656-israels-netanyahu-urges-settlers-set-for-eviction-to-go-quietly.ashx

    3. FLAN O’BRIEN
      December 20, 2016 at 12:36 am
      “The difference between this assassination and those of the past that sparked wars is that Russia is governed by chess players and patriots.”
      Oh…yes, and they are so numerous that if you threw the stick aiming the dog, you are sure to hit the patriot. On September 17, on the eve of the elections to State Duma I found in my post-box a sheet of paper with headline TIME OF PATRIOTS HAS COME, WE WILL MAKE THIS COUNTRY No.1, with three faces on it, which meant the call to cast ballots for them. One face, most ugly, was that of former Vice-president of USSR, Hero of the USSR-traitor of the CPSU colonel Rutskoy, citizen of Izrael.

      1. MAGOMED –

        Wow.

        Well you know what I mean. Lavrov, Putin, the lady spokesman for the Russian government. They all have balls and defend Russia as they should.

  6. iam very skeptical here they say in the video below he was 22 yrs old , and was a cop for 4 yrs
    he entered the room as part of security details , how and when? i don’t buy it and i think it is a fake shooting . look at the embassidor on the floor no blood and not moving , it seemed a controlled fall and what about the COOL camera man . he wasn’t shaking and zoomed in and out why the shooter was preaching and say we are the one who made a covenant with prophet muhammad to do JIHAD . but he didn’t say against whom,I smell a play , of course I could be wrong , and one more thing , I like to see 22 yr old assassin in a beard if he really was a riligous man supporting ISIS which is short for – Israel In Syria.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaBGqGVhpww

    1. In such a situation I, personally, would assume that armed guards would draw on me and I’d probably keep my finger on the trigger for a quick response. That this guy returned his finger to the safety position, outside of the trigger guard, seems a bit odd, but, what do I know.

  7. It will be interesting to follow the trail of the assassin; his family, friends, associates, neighbors, his bank accounts, travel – the works. If it leads to Tel Aviv directly or indirectly, possibly through another person of interest currently residing in PA, USA, at some point there will be more candidates for the “Felanga”. This is a national humiliation for Turkey, coming not long after a failed coup attempt. In my view Turkey should wake up to the greater consequences of not totally resisting Israel after the murder of it’s citizens and national humiliation on the Marvi Mamara. Exploiting Syria for relatively petty, trifling gains and thinking safety lies in joining a coalition of US, Israeli, Saudi, Qatar, Jordanian, and UK mercenaries is like putting your national head on the chopping block. The zionists are after far more than genie energy plots and transit pipelines in Syria and elsewhere. Only Iran and Hezbollah has shown the ability to focus and defeat the zionist aggressor (please note – defensive action against Israeli invasion of a sovereign state, Lebanon) in the most effective and humiliating way. Syria, with help from friends is distinguishing itself. Turkey must awaken, the national interest and survival is at stake. Israel is not Turkey’s friend, or Jordan, or Egypt, or any state (or what’s left of them) in the region. Isn’t this clear by now?

  8. PAT said:

    Trump will have the proper excuses why he will falter on empty shouts of promises….. and resort to COMPROMISES with congress and others.

    Trump never mentioned the most important globalist plan…. UN Agenda-21. It IS moving forward very rapidly.

    ALL national leaders are liars.

    Agreed about national leaders, in general. In particular, after listening to and watching Trumps speeches, I think he is a genuine article. Remember, he does not have a base in party machinery. Of course I may be wrong. Let’s not pre-judge. I face the prospect of being wrong in total equanimity. I am not a “believer”. One must recognise his hands will be tied by banksters to a large degree, unless he hands over Fed.Reserve responsibility to government.

    About Agenda21 – this is very much predicated on global warming terrorism. I suspect Trump knows it’s a scam. I expect him to launch an audit of this trillion dollar non-job employment scheme for bureaucrats (No, not scientists, they are not worthy of the name)

    1. Flan –

      “Let’s not pre-judge.”

      HUH???

      You pre-judge at the ballot box…. or with the voting machine or screen…
      …… EVERY TIME you vote..!!

      Unless you vote for “ALL” of them…. by hacking, like DHS does. 🙂

      DHS HACKED ELECTION IN 20 DIFFERENT STATES
      by TLB Staff
      Here a hack, there a hack… everywhere a hack hack. They did it, he did it… No WE DID IT. “WE” being the United States of America Department of Homeland Security.

      http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/breaking-news-dhs-hacked-election-20-different-states/

    2. Flan –

      As for Global warming and Agenda-21…

      Maurice Strong invented man-made global warming drivel to destroy the middle class. He said so, when he told the opening session of the Rio Conference (Earth Summit II) in 1992, that industrialized countries have…..

      “developed and benefited from the unsustainable patterns of production and consumption which have produced our present dilemma. It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class — involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning, and suburban housing — are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns.”

      https://climatism.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/the-creator-fabricator-and-proponent-of-global-warming-maurice-strong/

      1. PAT –
        Even though Strong’s alarmism predates Mrs Thatcher it was she the first international figure to promote alarmism:

        Thatcher “broke quite new political ground,” in her words, by “speaking ominously on climate change to the Royal Society (U.K. Academy of Science) in September 1988
        https://www.masterresource.org/climate-exaggeration/thatcher-alarmist-to-skeptic/

        Though her university studies were focused on how to adulterate ice cream with vegetable oil, she was considered as a scientist and gave a big impetus to this scam.

      2. Flan –

        Good for her. Maggie had no influence to stop it or to slow it either. She was as helpless as Trump is…. and as he will be. Neither could or will beat the “Development” Bankers.

        I followed it closely in 1992:
        172 governments participated, with 116 sending their heads of state or government. Some 2,400 representatives of non-governmental organizations (NGOs) attended, with 17,000 people at the parallel NGO “Global Forum” (also called Forum Global), who had Consultative Status.

        Then the “Development Banks” were initiated:

        Ten years later, Earth Summit 2002 informally nicknamed Rio+10 was held in Johannesburg, South Africa with the goal of again bringing together leaders from government, business and NGOs to agree on a range of measures toward similar goals. At Rio+10, sustainable development was recognized as an overarching goal for institutions at the national, regional and international levels. There, the need to enhance the integration of sustainable development in the activities of all relevant United Nations agencies, programs and funds was highlighted. The discussion also encompassed the role of institutions in stepping up efforts to bridge the gap between the international financial institutions and the multilateral development banks and the rest of the UN system.

        In 2012, the United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development was also held in Rio, and is also commonly called Rio+20 or Rio Earth Summit 2012. It was held from 13 to 22 June.

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