EU could collapse any time now, leading to WWIII

By STEPHEN POLLARD

LD:  This highly relevant article was published two days ago in the Daily Express. Since then there have been dramatic developments in Europe which signal the possible disintegration of the European Union (EU) and support for the Alt.Right movement as witnessed in Brexit and the Trump phenomenon.  

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Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission, predicts that the fall of the European Union could spark World War Three. This came all the closer on Sunday with the referendum in Italy. Here a majority of Italians voted for right wing policies and a rejection of the mass immigration agenda promoted by Angela Merkel in Germany and by Mr Juncker in Brussels. Italy’s “revolt of the masses” last Sunday kickstarts the momentum toward an Italian Brexit. [LD]  


THE Brexit vote in June was an earth-shattering political event. So it’s entirely right that the consequences of that vote have dominated the news ever since.

Not a day now goes by without punditry and speculation over just how – and when – we will leave the EU. But never has Harold Wilson’s phrase that a week is a long time in politics been more apposite. It’ll be months before we even trigger Article 50, let alone negotiate the specifics of our departure – and let alone when we actually leave.

Before any of that happens, however, there may not even be an EU from which to Brexit. Other votes in Europe have the potential to derail the entire EU project, making our own convulsions over leaving seem irrelevant. On Sunday Italians go to the polls in their own referendum.

In theory their vote has nothing to do with the EU: it’s over a series of constitutional reforms. But such is the state of politics and voter unrest in the EU and such is the setup of Italian politics that a No vote may have a direct impact on that country’s membership and so hasten the demise of the EU itself.

Italy has long been a byword for political chaos: since the end of the Second World War it has had 63 governments. We have had 15. The changes proposed by Italian prime minister Matteo Renzi would cut the senate from 315 to 100 and limit its power, as well as abolishing elections to the senate, with members drawn from local government.

In essence governments would find it easier to legislate and be less likely to fall.

But the referendum has widened from a vote on constitutional matters because Mr Renzi has pledged that if he loses the vote he will resign. And the expectation is that he will lose. If he goes, his most likely successor is Beppe Grillo, the leader of the Five Star Movement, the largest party in the Italian parliament.

LD: Mr Renzi lost the referendum on Sunday and will now have to resign. The Italians are sick to death, above all, over the never-ending swarm of illegal immigrants from Africa pouring across the Mediterranean and settling in their country against their wills. They want this stopped.

Italians are angry: angry about endemic corruption, about a political class that seems interested only in itself, about the tens of thousands of migrants that pour in by the day and about unemployment of 11.4 per cent. No wonder there is a revolt. The Five Star Movement was founded seven years ago as a product of that anger: a populist revolt against Italian politics.

It also opposes not just the euro but the EU itself. Mr Grillo first entered Italian consciousness as a comedian. His rallies are titled “vaffa”: an Italian version of “f*** off”. The Five Star Movement is very popular. It won the mayoral elections in Rome and Turin this year and in the latest polls is scoring about 30 per cent – a huge figure in Italy’s traditionally split political landscape.

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“F**K  OFF!”

“His rallies are titled vaffa — an Italian version of “F*** off!”

Mr Grillo’s appointment as leader of Italy would send shockwaves throughout Europe. Italy has always been one of the EU’s stalwarts. It would send Brussels into a tailspin were it to be led by a man who would rather his country was outside the EU. That tailspin could begin as early as Sunday night.

Mr Renzi’s resignation and the likely appointment of Mr Grillo will almost certainly spark another eurozone crisis. Mr Grillo has said he wants to pull Italy out of the euro and return to the lira. Sensible as that may be as a policy – the euro was crazy at its inception and is even more so today – it will send the foreign exchange markets into something close to meltdown.

The Italian stock market is already down by 20 per cent this year, more than any other European index. The banking sector alone has fallen by 50 per cent and is teetering on the brink after a series of bad debts have been exposed. A wider plunge in shares could cause a widespread banking collapse.

But Italians are not the only people whose vote on Sunday could shatter the EU.

As they cast their vote so too will the Austrians in a re-run of the contest for the country’s presidency after the last vote was declared invalid. Both Austrian candidates are extremists. But while one is a Green, the other, Norbert Hofer, is from the far-Right Freedom Party.

Most observers think Mr Hofer will win. Like Marine Le Pen’s Front National in France, the Freedom Party has undergone a makeover designed to dump its pro-Nazi origins. In reality the Freedom Party is no different to a made-over version of our BNP or National Front.

LD:  “Most observers think Mr Hofer will win.”  Most observers were wrong. The Austrians decided to play it safe and voted for the status quo and “moderation.” The Alt.Right has had a temporary setback in Austria.

By Monday Austria could have a fascist president (again, one is tempted to write, after its experience with Kurt Waldheim) and Italy a government which rejects almost everything that has been the Italian mainstream in recent decades. In Germany a poll this week found that 42 per cent of voters want a referendum on EU membership and two thirds think the EU “is heading in the wrong direction”.

And of course in France Marine Le Pen seems certain to be in the final run-off for the presidency next year – and may well win. So three of the core nations on which the EU has been built – Germany, France and Italy – could all soon have radically different stances. The political establishment here has carried on the battle against Brexit by maintaining that the referendum vote was some sort of irrational aberration.

It was nothing of the sort: it was a vote by ordinary voters who were fed up with being told they had no choice but to go along with the EU elite. Now across Europe millions of voters are saying they’ve had enough.

LD :  JEAN-CLAUDE Juncker, chief of the EU commission, agonized today over the result of the Italian referendum. “These are dangerous times in which we live,” he gloomed, going on to predict the possibility of World War Three as Europe continues to fall apart.
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91 thoughts on “EU could collapse any time now, leading to WWIII

  1. “he gloomed, going on to predict the possibility of World War Three”

    Oh you mean another manufactured war like the first two? So less of a prediction and more of a threat.

    1. Edward Heath told the British people that we were going into a free trade agreement. Since then we have found out that he deliberately concealed the ttrue aims of the “Common Market”. I would still favour a true common market, but the EU is just a trough for the greedy pigs in Brussels to get there noses into. They seem to really believe that any activity that they do not regulate is wrong. They are the worst sort of smug, arrogant elites that this electoral revolution is opposing.

      They are the leaders in the progress towards Orwell’s totalitarian 1984,

    2. Yes, it seems to be a threat: How can a “fallen apart” EU, which practically means the return of National sovereign States, end up choosing to go on a mad war?
      The EU, the Euro, the Schengen Area and the massive import of “color-and-race-staining-agents” all are ingredients of the New World communist Order, and Brexits are a natural immunity response to this threat. They herald the failure of the JWO and the rise of the Phoenix from its ashes again: Apparently, the self-preservation instinct is inspiring the European people to fight back for national sovereign States.
      Sovereign States led by sane national leaders don’t toy with MAD (mutual assured destruction: a theory of nuclear deterrence whereby each side in a conflict has the capacity to destroy the other in retaliation for a nuclear attack ) .

  2. My gut has told me for a very long time that the purpose of the EU, and its expansion into Eastern Europe after the Soviet collapse, was engineered to create the option for such a scenario from the very beginning. Just like smart businessmen form partnerships with a plan of dissolution in place from the beginning. But these are the world’s best looters and the world’s best crooks. Of course it will happen. And does anyone have a guess as to where the designated battlefield will be? It will be Poland and the Ukraine. The expendable countries where dirty deeds are done dirt cheap.

    1. Franklin, no offence brother, but I am afraid that you are stuck for good at the level of understanding of political reality that I call “Lobro’s level”.

      1. @ Circassian

        “Lobro’s level of understanding”, which is also my level of understanding, is that there is such a thing as a multi-generational, world-wide Jewish conspiracy to exploit, rule and ultimately ruin the world, but you need some study to come to that conclusion.

        For a person of your background, you could begin with studying who were behind the Russian revolution, its planning, financing and genocidal execution. Read : “The Jewish Role in the Bolshevic Revolution and Russia’s Early Soviet Regime”, ihr.org : http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_weber.html

        And since you know Russian, you could read Solzhenitsyn’s “Two Hundred Years Together”, which the Jews have systematically prevented from being translated into English and be published in the West.

        Anti-Semitic cartoons are on the level of fun but they may convey a serious truth.

    2. Moreover, Franklin, he looks like spit of bernard henri-Levy, older, fatter but just look at the dyspeptic eyes, the look of stealthy thief in the night, the perpetually accusatory expression despite all the privileges our dumb kind heaps on them, never enough geld and craven worship, never enough guilt by fiat for us.

      birds of the feather.

      1. those faces tell the story and the history of this unfortunate humanoid inversion.
        Life steeped in malice, lie, narcissism and cruelty.

      2. @Uncle Toby

        TOBY: If either of the two posters mentioned above (in your deleted comment) should give us a final ultimatum calling for your permanent expulsion, we will have no alternative but to honor their wishes.

        Toby, do you at least understand what you are saying here? The two posters mentioned in my deleted comment are Pat and Lobro. Excuse my French, but who the fuck are these posters to give you ultimatum that you have to honor their wishes? Are they the carriers of the ultimate truth? Are they the pillars of dignity, honor, wisdom, or even simple decency?

        Don’t you have the alternative to say to these mother fuckers: “Who are you, mother fuckers, to give us an ultimatum and have the impudence to expect that we have to honor your wishes, in detriment of the freedom of speech?” Of course, you do. But you won’t. Why not? I’ll tell why. Because these two mother fuckers are the best useful idiots you could ever have to push your agenda of deception, which does not serve the best interests even of these self-gratifying poor idiots.

        TOBY: Why do you persist in posting here since you have nothing positive to say about your fellow commenters?

        This is a fucking lie, Toby, and you know it. Did I not say positive things about all my fellow commenters who, in my opinion, deserved them? Did I not say nice things about Seymur Zack? Did I not say nice things about TROJ? Did I not say nice things about Lobro in the past, when I was under the impression that he was a decent an honorable man?

        TOBY: Why do you persist in posting here since you do very little to shed light on the important issues we are discussing?

        That is your assessment, Toby. You might own this site, but you do not own the souls of the people you poison with your site. And I am not about to sit here and allow you to do that. I care about these people, even though many of them do not understand – partly due to their stupidity, partly due to the poison you, and people like you, push upon them – that simple truth.

        TOBY: Why not just find another website more suited to your tastes? Why pick on a website where you are permanently in Spamblinka? Can you explain?

        You have asked the same very questions multiple times in the past, and I have answered them multiple times. Do you want me to repeat my answers so that you can finally understand them? Do you?

        Answer my questions, Uncle.

      3. @ Circassian

        I have neither the time nor the energy to waste on you. I will therefore leave you to the tender mercies of the posters you have attacked: Lobro, Pat, Sardonicus, Franklin Ryckaert, and others too numerous to name.

        As far as Im concerned, you are a Jewish troll pure and simple, and your position on this website becomes increasingly untenable. I therefore invite all the posters you have attacked to attack you back in return and drive you off this site once and for all.

        Lobro, Pat, Franklin Ryckaert, Sardonicus, and anyone else who wishes — please step forward now and send this troll packing with a flea in his ear.

        — Uncle Toby

      4. I think BHL called for the destruction of Libya by France in the name of Israel and the Jews. That’s a big hint at who controls France; and a good indication of just how brainf**ked is the average French goy. He should’ve been chased out of the country.

      5. thanks for the heads up, Toby.
        let me check up on a few facts, keep an eye on the spamblinka if i fall afoul of the link overrun.

        i didn’t think he’d be that stupid, having crawled back in on your good graces but i guess he’s got a job to do, deadlines to meet before hannukah bonus is tallied.

      6. @ Admin Toby

        It seems to me that Lobro and Circassian cannot both be posting on this site together at the same time. They are deadly enemies who have a visceral hatred of each other and would gladly pluck each other’s eyes out. So you must choose one and reject the other, Toby.

        You have already accepted an ultimatum from Lobro. It is your duty to honor this ultimatum and not renege on it and backslide as you have done. What sort of monitor are you that you ban a poster “permanently” and then let him sneak back in a few months later? That is not righteous behavior. It is weakness!

        If you keep Circassian, you effectively ban Lobro. If you ban Lobro, you might as well ban ME and everyone else on this website who is sick to death of this Judeo-Russian troll Circassian.

        Circassian comes here only to insult everyone. The only posters he approves of are both hostile Jewish agents: Seymour Zak, a self-confessed Jew who specializes in attacking Lasha Darkmoon and this website, and TheRealOriginalJoe (TROJ), who also specializes in attacking Lasha Darkmoon and using the foulest and most obscene language in many of his posts — a certified lunatic by all accounts.

        That tells us something about Circassian, doesn’t it? The only two posters he praises are both Darkmoon haters. And what of Circassian himself? Is he a Darkmoon lover? No, he too is a foul-mouthed Darkmoon hater! I won’t bother to dig up all the old posts in which he abuses Lasha viciously, calling her a “latrine attendant” and “Queen of the Shithose” and several other foul names like that.

        Get rid of this vermin, Toby. That’s my advice to you. Or you’ll soon have an empty commentariat with only two posters left behind on it: Darkmoon troll Circassian and loonie Jew TROJ

  3. “Mr Grillo has said he wants to pull Italy out of the euro and return to the lira. Sensible as that may be as a policy – the euro was crazy at its inception and is even more so today – it will send the foreign exchange markets into something close to meltdown.”

    One jew two opinions lol

    Regarding the senate I support a return to non-elected senators in the USA so I suppose i should support the same for Italy, but I am pleased the referendum returned a NO vote, as it creates more stress on the cardiac deficient EU. Looking forward to final arrest.

    1. Yes, Taras Bulba! The American equivalent of REPEALING the Seventeenth Amendment crossed my mind, too! 🙂
      The Euro and the Dollar are so closely related by the same incest, I do believe that, if the Euro markets “collapse”, the Dollar markets will succumb inside of two weeks. It will be quite painful for most of us, but the possibility is becoming more likely. Postponing the inevitable will only guarantee it to be forced upon us all, later.

      1. re. “jewish journalist named Pollard” i briefly looked at the link and saw this

        By Monday Austria could have a fascist president (again, one is tempted to write, after its experience with Kurt Waldheim)

        yes, what other phraseology to expect from a jewish journalist named Pollard.

        the greatest mistake is to be apologetic or conciliatory to them.
        State it directly, up front when a Jew accuses you of fascism or anti-semitism:
        “Yes, I am a fascist, i hate you and your kind and don’t want you in my neighborhood – end of discussion”.
        you will get way more respect from jew – guaranteed.

  4. The EU – run by unelected officials exempt from tax, who decide what everyone may do or not do. The to do list includes limitless importation of savages from Africa, inundation of refugees from Israel’s proxy wars of conquest and destabilization – don’t want any strong healthy nation states near Israel, it might interfere with their ability to steal. The refugees are paid for by taxes on citizens, including rescue and transportation, housing, clothing, education, and health. EU officials don’t pay for this as again, they are exempt from tax. The “refugees” rape, murder, vandalize, and steal in vastly disproportionate ratios, openly state they’ve come to Europe to rape, burn down $10 million refugee centers when they’re not receiving sufficient free “gummies”, create “no go zones” and openly profess their desire to turn Europe into Islamic states, like the less than successful countries they deserted rather than fought for. When the EU does collapse, we look forward to the reckoning, particularly for the jewish councils in Norway and elsewhere who being the arch racists and thieving monsters that they are state publicly that “Norway is too white”, though Israel, Africa, and Asia are exempt from the miscegenation. There are better ways to solve demographic issues, the EU chose the worst possible way.

  5. Juncker is often drunker than he ought.
    How could voting cause war? LOL.
    He needs to lay off the bottle and attend a course in logic and common sense.

    The same marketing was used at the inception of the Common Market – to prevent war between France and Germany.

    The French and Dutch who voted no to the EU “Constitution” were told the sky would fall on their heads.

    Let Europe return to the 800 or so sovereign principalities of medieval times, when competition was real and immigration was welcome, provided you earned your crust and contributed.. This real world openness, as opposed to political correctness “diversity”, this vibrancy has been offered as an explanation as to why the renaissance , invention , exploration all originated in Europe, whilst monolithic but culturally superior China stagnated.

    Death to the EU.

  6. The bigger question is: How Trump can avoid a major financial crisis in America?

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/heres-how-trump-can-avoid-a-major-financial-crisis-in-america-003640918.html

    This is a major lie. The powers that be have put Trump where he is now not with the goal of avoiding financial crisis in America – he is put there to oversee the bankruptcy procedure, America has to go through. Dealing with $67 trillion debt is no ordinary matter!

    Donald is an “expert” on going through bankruptcy and still retaining “business as usual”, remember? Trump is to take America through the bankruptcy procedure and come out of that process intact. Can Donald, and the forces behind him, achieve the goal which seems impossible?

    Personally, I highly doubt it. But, hey, I am just an ordinary man and could be badly mistaken. As Russians would say: Поживём – увидим.

    1. Circ –

      Great choice. Says a lot about “an ordinary man” from the Caucasus.

      I read the brilliant article by the ‘yahoo’ not in the hustings… sorting out the economy for us in ‘fly-over-country’ in the US.

      What made it so very brilliant is that the author – nailed it – when he GUESSED there ‘might’ be a problem….. ‘probably’ sometime ‘maybe’ ‘possibly’ “if” before the year 2100. 🙂

      “Yahoo Finance Contributor”… John Mauldin guessed…. even using question marks in his final not so definite statement:

      “….we will have a financial crisis that will rival the Great Depression. Not this year or next year, and probably not in Trump’s first term… but within 10 years? Very possibly, if we stay on our present trajectory.”

      Trump????? Long gone by then…!! But, blamed anyway..!! Putin will be in his 20th term or so.. still taking orders from DC…. 🙂

    2. Or Trump is in place to oversee the final collapse of the US husk? The parasite is sated and now enacts it’s relentless punishment on yet another Christian nation-state. Maybe. I still think the cultural imperative (international Jewish Supremacism and Revenge) is more pertinent than greed.

      1. Flopot –

        “The parasite is sated and now enacts it’s relentless punishment on yet another Christian nation-state.”

        Yet another???

        It started in devastating fashion in the US in 1860 thru 1890… and continued in less than brutal full speed through 1970s…. and still steadily marches on today.

      2. Flopot,

        It would have been far more difficult, if not impossible, for the parasite to infect, affect and finally disintegrate the European nation(s) from within if the latter wouldn’t have been Christian in the first place.

      3. 1138, yes!
        glad others see it too.

        the reason the disintegration proceeds at the breakneck pace is precisely because christianity, which used to squarely blame the jew for all the ills starting with the crucifixion has been replaced with religion of guilt.

        jews got no traction at all here in thailand, where the buddhist priest class runs the show from the grass roots onward, people pay attention on hourly basis, national and cultural cohesion is strong, held together by the protective cover of buddhist thought patrol.
        Jew keeps sniffing like a jackal at the edges, wondering how to get his dirty foot into the door.

      4. The jackals knocking at the door — Jewish Buddhist priests! I type that in jest but that’s how they “role”; that is what they do, the you know who. I know it worked against the Catholic religion.

        And I believe the Anglicans in the UK now have a Jewish Arch Bishop of Canterbury. That is ludicrous but apparently true. I think Whelby was calling for UK bombing of Syria, which seals the deal for me.

      5. Lobro,

        Well, indeed, and to be more precise, what I really meant was that the unnatural egalitarian values which Christianity promotes are to blame. Now, of course I realise that for centuries THAT wasn’t the immediate problem since during most of this period it was a strictly internal European affair, and the masses of lay men kept their ethnic awareness despite being blatantly lied to by the – anti natural – church of this alien religion. But all those centuries of Christian re-writing the European folk spirit – our natural thus true spirit – gradually prepared us, massaged and directed us into what is culminated in today’s 19th and 20th century ‘western’ values. I think that Christianity, as Islam is btw, a jewish invention meant for goy consumption, meant to undermine the natural racial solidarity of peoples since anyone could become a member of Christianity or Islam. Completely opposite to what the world was like before.

        Furthermore, it was Christianity, as islam was and is btw, that started the intolerance for other’s beliefs. During the pre-Christian Roman empire there existed a wide tolerance of all kinds of beliefs. Today´s manloving humantarians and liberals consider those times brutal but at least the conquered European tribes were not forced into the beliefs of the Romans who subjected them. A totally opposite MO compared with that of the so-called Christian and Islamic conquerers later on. However they would be forced by Christian rulers a few centuries later.

        But the most damaging aspect of Christianity is that it puts man above nature instead of recognising that he´s being a part of it, which all the pagan beliefs in the world share, whether you had pagan Europeans, north American Indians, African Pymees or Amazone Indians. Today´s so-called ‘western’ values are all the same basically, whether you have Christianity, Liberalism, Humanism, Atheism, even Marxism, Communism (Islam as well) – mere variations of the same concept spawned from of the same source – they ALL share this man centred egalitarian world view which is a total false world view because it disregards the laws of creation.

        And ethnic consciousness is absolutely vital if one wants to stay authentic, healthy and intact as a people. It is therefore that National Socialism must absolutely never be allowed to flourish again in the developed world in the eyes of all the mentiones others since it is the ONE belief that threatens their existence.

        About Thailand. I can see why you chose to hang out there for a while. It is my intention to retire there also. I still have a lot of years before that. In the mean time I regularly visit. But alas, the parasite is trying to destroy this culture – like ALL cultures – as well. And since it has all the Aryan´s technology and power at its disposal many other nations are already kaput. I think Thailand should crack down on the abundance of worthless and sleazy farangs residing there. I think they are on the right course by straightening out their visa policies which were widely abused by good for nothing low rent foreigners.

      6. Attention all, including Admin,

        Before Grammar fiend jumps in, I do spot the typos afterwards, but the last two posts I didn´t receive the usual 4 minutes to correct them.

        Mmm, apparently now I have the usual time to correct, but now my keyboard is showing ill will. Damn it!

      7. “Today´s so-called ‘western’ values are all the same basically, whether you have Christianity, Liberalism, Humanism, Atheism, even Marxism, Communism”

        I am under the impression that “Liberalism, Humanism, Atheism, even Marxism, Communism” were essentially anti-Christian movements. You are making me feel guilty about my Christian background and upbringing (I am not a practicing person btw). Jewish control of culture also made me feel guilty about my culture, and so I spent many years repudiating it.

        Now that my eyes are opened to Jewish control and, more precisely, Jewish revolutionary movements that seek to destroy Christian cultures — I find it strange to find Christianity attacked by you. So the Jews have spent all that time creating their JWO and seeking revenge against Christian cultures…because they created Christianity?

        Either I’m am setting up a strawman argument out of ignorance (not for the first time, nor the last) or your stance is contradictory. The Jews had to take control of Christianity.

      8. I would also hazard a guess that the reason why the Christian religions and cultures finally fell (apart from Russian Orthodox, hopefully) was because they were the primary targets of the Jewish plotting. Therefore less to do with Christians being jew; and more to do with their time being due.

        I’ll leave that mangled last sentence dangling.

        On reflection, I will admit that the Ancient Judaic origins of Christianity did make it uniquely vulnerable to brainf**king by the Jews. But it took centuries for those conspiracies to come to fruition…nevermind complete control of international finance and the planning of two world wars!

      9. Flopot,

        Well, you´re right if you mean ALL values viewed in detail. But I mean the end result, the consequence of those isms. Because they all preach equality. A total denial of the reality, the mechanisms used by creation.

        The jews were only able to realise their dream because they were ALLOWED by Christianity. They didný have to take control of Christianity since it was their design. Remember, Christianity is not the figure Jesus.

      10. Flopot,

        More precise,

        The jews were only able to realise their milennia old dream because they were ALLOWED by people affected by living in the lie of equality for centuries, which destroyed their natural spirit which has paralysed them.

      11. In fact, you could argue that Christ himself was a REACTION against the original Jewish revolutionary movement, namely the Pharisees and their “Traditions of the Elders” that ultimately become the Talmud. I’m constantly reading about Jesus’ tirades against the true first Jews and their “Father of Lies”.

        So, yes, I am referring to the supposed distinction between Jew and Ancient Judean. Modern Jews are the successors to the Pharisee’s and their Talmudic ideology. That is my simplistic grasp of the history of this affair.

        To cut to the chase — it doesn’t make sense to attack the primary victims of the Jewish Plot.

      12. Flopot,

        Think about it, all these isms are promoting the exact opposite to what Jews are doing, which is keeping their ethnic awareness intact. Christianity, Islam, Marxism, Capitalism, Atheism, Humanitarism, Liberalism, you name it, ALL preach the opposite. Coincidence you think?

      13. @1138

        “ALLOWED”

        Centuries of plotting; conspiratorial skills honed over 2000 years aimed at their eternal enemy (Christians); control of vast resources of wealth…did indeed ALLOW ’em ultimately victory.

        I think you’re being a tad euphemistic about the power of the Jews.

      14. Flopot,

        I´m not attacking the victims of the jewish plot, I´m pointing to the jewish instrument that enabled their succes over us. I am saying that without it they wouldn´t have had a chance in hell to accomplish what they have.

      15. 1138, if Christianity enables Jewish power then why all these Jewish revolutionary movements to destroy Christianity? Does not compute, sorry.

        You are blaming the victims.

        It is true that Christians are definitely letting themselves get brainf**ked. But we’re up against the Masters of Discourse, so I would suggest that once they have their mind set against ANY culture, there is a good chance that culture will fall.

        For example, China was another victim of Marxism.

      16. Flopot,

        Are Christians the only jewish declared enemy? No, everyone is. What is the absolute first requirement for destroying a people? Breaking their racial solidarity. Without that they couldn´t eventually lure and corrupt traitors among their enemies. And this is the common denominator of all mentioned isms. They are all aimed at breaking the racial solidarity of jewish enemies. That´s why National Socialism was and still is attacked and supressed at ALL costs by Capitalism, Communism – supposed sworn enemies – , Christianity, Atheism, Humanitarism, Liberalism etc., which of course all carry the values of the decent people, right?

        There is a pattern. A repeating of the same over and over again throughout the centuries. Abrahamic religions, alien to all people outside the region from where they spawned, then in more recent centuries some more isms. But all preach the same deadly poison of equality, so that race – and consequently neither do specific ethnic values – doesn´t matter anymore.It´s true that up to a point Christianity has kept some traditional values intact, but since the invention of mass communication devices the brainwashing has picked up speed never witnessed before.

      17. @1138

        I think you’ve fastened onto a clever argument about equality but history simply cannot be bent to your theory. For example, the Jews needed their international financial power; their mastery of cultural revolutions; and their wholly planned earth shattering global conflict called the First World War, in order to take down the Christian Russian Empire.

        The success of the Bolshevik Revolution (i.e. the Jewish Revolution in Russia) had more to do with Jewish power and less to do with any Christian notion of equality.

        I wonder is it more helpful to refer to “Jewish Revolutions in…” X country rather that the MSM labels? 😉 For example, Weimer is the First Jewish Revolution in Germany, or perhaps even the second one! Modern Germany is the outcome of the Third Jewish Revolution in Germany? Good grief.

        Then we have the First Jewish Revolution in France.

      18. Flopot,

        ^But we’re up against the Masters of Discourse, so I would suggest that once they have their mind set against ANY culture, there is a good chance that culture will fall.^

        But here´s where you´re wrong. Only a people that has already been weakened by a false belief will fall. A healthy people will never fall, unless they are technologically and/or numerical inferior and they are physically overpowered ( something the jews were never able to do on their own, only with means provided by other already destroyed peoples, like the Aryans for instance. )

        Healthy means with their natural spirit – which is a biological determined and therefore unique for that people spirit, intact – they cannot be brainwashed with insane ideas and concepts which oppose all common sense. One has to be prepared to accept such insanties as equality as truth. And that´s where those ism intruments are intended for since they ALL deny the biologically determined uniqueness of people´s spirit.

      19. @1138

        I was dreading that your “equality argument” was leading us down the road to Ayn Rand and Libertarianism 😉 I agree with you that we are hampered by utopian notions that everyone is the same. Patently we are not. Some are brighter or dumber; taller or shorter; faster or slower; beautiful or ugly.

        Here is a FANTASTIC article against the notion of equality…

        http://mileswmathis.com/equality.html

        Btw, I do believe in equality before the law, which is a different concept. I think.

      20. Flopot,

        I am sorry but you don´t seem to grasp the significance of what I am saying at all. Really not at all. I cannot know this but I suspect because you´re too conditioned or perhaps it´s my simple explanation what causes this. If you wish to oppose what I say then please read my point and explain why what I am saying is wrong.

        See you tomorrow.

      21. Flopot,

        One for the road today.

        Libertarism is a super SUPER jewish ism on kosher steroids, supposedly meant to oppose Marxism and all collectivism but in reality to mislead the goy. ……………… By same ol´ same ol´again, denying race and its spirit .

      22. @1138

        Your attitude is why I think attacks on Christianity are pointless — it leads to needless division. Marx did exactly the same thing; infiltrated revolutionary groups and instead of attacking the bankers and industrialists, he invited people to attack religion. The only consolation for the peasants turns out to be the prime target of the so-called socialist revolutionaries. Brainf**king.

        We’re agreed that the Jews are the enemy; don’t start blaming their victims. I accepted that Christianity was particularly susceptible to infiltration because of shared cultural beginnings. However, I also showed you that powerful Christian Empires were brought down by more powerful and nefarious Jewish enemies. I see nothing about any notions of equality in Christian beliefs being the reason for the Jewish victory.

        I apologize for frustrating you but we’re obviously not equal in the intellectual sense — I don’t have the patience or brainpower to consider the cultural effects of Christianity in weakening the host for the eventual arrival of the Jews. However I do think you are making some sort of error in suggesting that Christianity and Marxism are both Jewish revolutionary movements. Christianity kept Jewish power in check; the cheques unleashed it.

        Other non-Christian cultures succumbed to Jewish power quite rapidly.

        Anyway, night night.

      23. For clarification.

        This…

        “However I do think you are making some sort of error in suggesting that Christianity and Marxism are both Jewish revolutionary movements.”

        …really means this…

        “It is wrong to equate Christianity with a Jewish revolutionary movement like Marxism.”

      24. @1138, Flopot,

        first, let me tell you how much i enjoyed this exchange series, not only because of how cogently were the arguments and counterarguments framed but even more because of the unfailing civility – the old world manners, entirely devoid of ad hominem.
        Thank you for being European.
        I would suggest to Monty to publish the series for that alone, an example of Judenfrei debate.

        though my inclination is toward flopot’s side and i will forward couple of points, mostly in that direction.

        Yes, in the misty past, the European tribelands were highly pastoral and land-rooted Celtic cultures with a shamanistic worship of natural elements, sacred groves and animals, local deities and suspicion of strangers.
        Clan warfare was the order of the day, cattle and women stealing, huge premium on man’s honor above all.
        In fact, Romans inherited much of that too, a Roman’s oath was binding above everything, because they practiced ancestor worship, like so many others, including the Grecian, Celtic and oriental ones, thus, to shame and displease one’s ancestors whose company one expected to join someday was much worse than death.
        In that, 1138 is right, jew would have had absolutely no point of access or possibility of stealthy bloodsucking that is his singular life skill.
        But the bottom line is that these arrangements were no different from the North American Indians and therefore, the same fate would likely have befallen them sooner or later and in fact did, under the Roman conquistadors, Hispania, Lusitania, Gaul, germany, brittain, Belgae, Pannonia, dalmatia, Moesia, Thracia … they all keeled under the onslaught of a precision machine that was Roman army.
        No point blaming Christianity for what happened before christ.

        Secondly, the notion that in the pre-Christian times, there was no persecution of other religions and beliefs.
        Quite true, 1138.

        But precisely here is the cluster mine under your argument.

        When the persecutions started, WHO WAS PERSECUTED?
        That’s right, after the crucifixion, the martyrdom was heaped on Christians – solely – nobody else.
        So, is it pertinent to ask WHY? I think so.
        And my answer is because:
        a) Christ existed in order to warn the world about the devastating plague of Judaism as the spear carrier of Lucifer, the destroyer of souls and human community (Torah bears me out in completeness on that),
        b) jews have amassed enormous wealth and influence in the heart of Rome and corrupted the emperors from Claudius onward, especially Nero, young, greedy, dumb and vain,
        c) Suetonius and Tacitus both reported an ancient prophecy, viz, that

        There had spread over all the Orient an old and established belief, that it was fated for men coming from Judaea to rule the world

        and this corroborates the writings of jew historian Flavius Josephus.
        Nowadays, jews prevaricate that it referred to Vespasian, the conqueror of Judea as punishment for non-phariseic transgressions but as I say, it is the usual jew bullshit, wink-and-hasbara for the 3-yr olds who dare peek under their filthy bedsheets to investigate the hoofprints.
        If Suetonius says OLD and ESTABLISHED, he no doubt means it.

        11348, understand or try to at least for the sake of hypothesis accept the notion that this is a very old, very elemental war, not a video game.
        Jesus came to educate us on that and if you don’t know it like so many innocents whose souls Jesus came to help, JEWS KNOW IT.
        In all their actions and secret writings, it comes to light clearly when so exposed – HATRED OF CHRIST AND MARY.
        i won’t enumerate examples, it has been done in this forum more than once by posters with much better grasp of dates and details, once I grab the meaning of something, i don’t over-analyze, if it makes more sense than any other explanation, that’s it for me, I move on.

        finally, 1138, look at that wonderful Europe of the recent, pre-Jew-imperial past, the unequaled triumph of culture and civilization.
        what is the binding notion, its circulatory system?
        Christianity, yes.
        In morals, art, communities and their mores, up and down and across the continent and definitely including Russia – Christianity, all 2,000 years of it.
        What is a non-Christian Europe?
        Don’t wonder, just look around you, it is staring you in the face today.

        In the name of Conchita and Pussy Riot and Soros, amen.

      25. @LOBRO

        I think 1138 is essentially right about the Jewish abuse of various notions of “equality” in their overt revolutions and other more subversive activities. I just think he is wrong to project it back to include Christianity — I think it is a modern activity (last few centuries), hence my link to that diatribe against modernity.

        However, I would not be surprised if the Jewish takeover of Catholicism used the same sophistry about equality in order to infect the host. The Catholic Church started rotting from the head immediately after the Second World War when numerous Crypto-Jews joined (although I think the Jesuits were infiltrated from the beginning). These cryptos became the interpreters of doctrine and perhaps their arguments for change (i.e. yet another Jewish Revolution!) revolved around more propaganda about “equality”, e.g. “all Christians are really Jews”).

        Strange how all these revolutions propounding equality always end up heaping wealth and power onto the Jews. And they do so by proposing theories of equality that make natural law and reason scream out.

        For example, Marx suggested abolishing private property — who ended up controlling the wealth and property?

        Neoliberals and libertarians essentially suggest abolishing law and government — who ends up the controlling law and government?

        Cultural Marxists suggest abolishing all cultures and genders; anything goes — who ends up become the arbiters of culture itself?

        Perhaps the arguments to end the ban on usury followed a similar path. I would also suggest that Christianity played a positive role in the development of political order in the West; another reason why it had to be overthrown.

        Finally, it was a pleasure to read your overview of tribal Europe; you make me want to read more about those societies.

        PS “In the name of Conchita and Pussy Riot and Soros, amen.” Lol

      26. PPS You are absolutely correct in stating that Roman culture was already stamped over the Celtic and Germanic societies long before Christianity showed up. I suppose we could look at the effects of Christianity on Ireland if we wanted to look for any effects that make it ripe for Jewish exploitation — Gaelic Ireland was never a military conquest of the Romans. But I suspect it absorbed a lot of Roman culture.

        Here’s a thought — perhaps 1138’s theory really applies to EMPIRES? The Jews did thrive under the Persian Empire; Hellenistic Empires; and the Roman Empire. There you have fewer heads to rot and centralised systems ripe for top-down revolutions. Now we have the US Empire? The EU Empire (although it really is a satrapy of the Jewish World Order, like the US)? I dunno, just shooting the breeze.

      27. perhaps 1138’s theory really applies to EMPIRES?

        a great point, Flopot.
        Look at the dynamic of the Middle east ever since 1948 nabka, when Israel was spawned in the Jew UN.
        How many wars, how many states destroyed … and
        HOW MANY REGIME CHANGES AGAINST ISLAMIC MONARCHIES?
        Not one … you are onto something.

      28. Lobro,

        I’m going to attempt to clarify some more.

        I’m sorry I can’t write in italics or bold. How do you do that?

        Thanks for the kind intro. Well, I’m only happy to oblige. It’s very easy to stay civil with a chap like Flopot.

        “though my inclination is toward flopot’s side and i will forward couple of points, mostly in that direction.”

        I perfectly understand that, you are Christians and I don’t expect you to drop it because of my interpretation of history. Don’t forget, it’s only my opinion.

        “Yes, in the misty past, the European tribelands were highly pastoral and land-rooted Celtic cultures with a shamanistic worship of natural elements, sacred groves and animals, local deities and suspicion of strangers. Clan warfare was the order of the day, cattle and women stealing, huge premium on man’s honor above all.”

        Quite so. And their worship – and respect for – of natural elements came from within themselves, as is normal, since it was their way of interpreting natural phenomena they couldn’t explain. Just like all peoples around the world did. Warfare is a natural state. It’s one – probably THE one – of the mechanisms of creation. In the end the strongest will rule, according to nature’s(=God) design. Brutal violence perhaps, but honest violence, and certainly not in the name of any invented ideology. Thanks to all these man made ideologies now the weak rule the strong. Now THAT is a sin. A sin against God’s (=creation’s) design.

        “In fact, Romans inherited much of that too, a Roman’s oath was binding above everything, because they practiced ancestor worship, like so many others, including the Grecian, Celtic and oriental ones, thus, to shame and displease one’s ancestors whose company one expected to join someday was much worse than death”

        Indeed, the tribes and the Romans and Greeks had a lot in common regarding their world views and their deities. That is quite logical, because as stated, ALL peoples around the world had more or less same world view and deities, born out of interpretation of an – for them at that time inexplicable – environment. Ancestor worship is a very healthy thing, because only by honouring them people will keep their traditions intact instead of straying from them, which automatically happens when they start to believe something that didn’t come from within themselves, isn’t theirs, is alien to them, and what thus inevitably will estrange them from their own ‘selves’.

        “In that, 1138 is right, jew would have had absolutely no point of access or possibility of stealthy bloodsucking that is his singular life skill.”

        So, isn’t it so then that in hindsight it would have been a much better idea to reject this alien religion/worldview, hence staying unchanged and authentic and thereby NOT allowing even the slightest chance for this semitic parasite to infect our healthy spirit?

        “But the bottom line is that these arrangements were no different from the North American Indians and therefore, the same fate would likely have befallen them sooner or later and in fact did, under the Roman conquistadors, Hispania, Lusitania, Gaul, germany, brittain, Belgae, Pannonia, dalmatia, Moesia, Thracia … they all keeled under the onslaught of a precision machine that was Roman army.”

        Not so, dear Lobro, the eventual Roman expansion was largely caused by being attacked first by northern ‘savages’ centuries before it grew into an empire. This attack by the Celts – who founded Milan and sacked Rome – scared the hell out of the Romans and Etruskans and when that episode was over, after paying ransom to the northern invaders, they didn’t want to experience that again.

        And North American Indians, a beautiful, strong, healthy and proud people living IN TRUTH, that means in harmony with creation’s mechanisms, before the Europeans came along, were only physically overpowered by the latter. They didn’t exactly volunteer to be genocided by these strangers. And more so, these genociding strangers happened to be devout Christians, willing stooges for the semitic parasite who by then had already vast power in Europe, which it wouldn’t have if the Europeans were still worshipping ancestors and deities based on nature. In any case, being Christian didn’t stop them from genociding this beautiful, strong, healthy and proud people living in truth. So one can state that even if Christianity wasn’t harmful for Europeans in the long long run ( which it was in my opinion ) it didn’t make them better, nobler people either. So so much for the healing or nobling effect of Christianity on its followers.

        Europeans were forced by violence to become Christians by the likes of Charlemagne who used this alien religion for political reasons. They could accept it or lose their head, literally. Sort of a one-size-fits-all European Union style avant la lettre so to speak. Which is a very different approach than what the pre-Christian Romans had in mind when they conquered Europe, or what the Celts had in mind when they invaded Italy. They just wanted taxes and loot to lavish themselves, not destruction of its peoples and cultures. In other words, honest violence.

        “No point blaming Christianity for what happened before christ.”

        I’m not blaming Christianity for what happened before Christ. What happened before Christ was perfectly natural. Yes, regular wars and violence, struggle – like every other living thing on earth has to in order to guarantee the continuing of its genes – , but no transformations. No genociding of cultures, no persecutions of indigenous ethnic spirituality. No deliberately surpressing the spread and use of ancient – and new – knowlegde. And I’m blaming Christianity for exactly that. The permanent effect it had on all its ‘introducees’, whos spirits have been deranged and its traditions outlawed, which completely alienated them from who they really were. And that’s why I think that Christianity was a mere instrument designed precisely for that purpose. BTW, not ONLY Christianity. There are many variations which all have a common denominator, equality, and the ridiculous notion that all HUMAN life is equally valuable, all HUMAN individuals are equally valuable and must be ‘saved’. Never a word about the whole of creation.

        However, what is typical Christian is the ludicrous notion of loving your enemies, turning the other cheek and no matter what you do or have done all your life you will be forgiven and end up in heaven anyway as long as you accept Christ in the end. Well, isn’t that convenient 🙂 ? Not to mention the special place the weak have in Christianity. Consequently the west is now giving artificial life support for those who wouldn’t live according to nature’s design. And this is 100% exclusively the result of Christianity. Pagans would never be so stupid to spend their valuable resources to better the lives of their competitors in creation, at cost of their own kind ( WTF ???? ). Thereby causing overpopulations and unnecessary ecological damage to the rest of creation. But Christianity – nor Islam – doesn’t care about that, the more Christian – or Muslim – souls the better, never mind the ecosysytem. Christianity – or Islam – doesn’t care about quality of life in creation, only the quantity of human life. ( the same applies for later variations most probably spawned from the same source, like Marxism, Humanism, Liberalism, Capitalism, Communism, etc etc. )

        And what about the effect all those Christian missionaries had on those savages in Africa? The only thing they’ve accomplished is laying the ground work and warming them up and preparing them for Communism, a more recent variety of phony jewish equality brainwash.

        As a matter of fact, the same thing what happened in the 20th century, the so-called global power struggle of powerblocs like Capitalism against Communism is just a repeat of, let’s say, Christianity against Islam centuries before and still.

        “Secondly, the notion that in the pre-Christian times, there was no persecution of other religions and beliefs.

        Quite true, 1138.”

        Ok, so here at least we can agree.

        “But precisely here is the cluster mine under your argument.

        When the persecutions started, WHO WAS PERSECUTED?
        That’s right, after the crucifixion, the martyrdom was heaped on Christians – solely – nobody else”

        Well, I don’t know. The Christian persecutors themselves maybe? And persecuted by whom exactly?

        “So, is it pertinent to ask WHY? I think so.

        And my answer is because:

        a) Christ existed in order to warn the world about the devastating plague of Judaism as the spear carrier of Lucifer, the destroyer of souls and human community (Torah bears me out in completeness on that),”

        Yes, agreed. But I don’t think Christ preached genocide or forced conversion. In fact, he didn’t preach or even created Christianity, men of man did. And for political reasons.

        “b) jews have amassed enormous wealth and influence in the heart of Rome and corrupted the emperors from Claudius onward, especially Nero, young, greedy, dumb and vain,”

        This is true. But then, by the time of Nero, long after the republic, Rome was a cesspool of different cultures, races AND values, among who the jews, and because of that founding Roman values were no longer paramount and degeneracy had sunk in deep already. It is true that non-Christian Romans were responsible for letting things slip. But then again, because of that it ( West) collapsed, just as we are collapsing now, despite of 1500 years of Christianity. So I would call it even on that score.

        “11348, understand or try to at least for the sake of hypothesis accept the notion that this is a very old, very elemental war, not a video game.”

        But I do understand. I don’t watch TV or follow MSM let alone that I’m playing these digital juden fantasies. I don’t even have a ‘smart’ phone, I feel like a dinosaur 🙂

        “Jesus came to educate us on that and if you don’t know it like so many innocents whose souls Jesus came to help, JEWS KNOW IT.”

        You won’t ever catch me badmouthing Jesus. I have no reason to. In fact, the way I see it, I wish people actually did practise what he ( supposedly) preached instead of listening to a bunch of priests of an organised international church, living an unnatural life of celibacy and preaching unnatural values of equality. Of course I cannot know that for sure, as no one can, but I honestly think that Jesus would agree with me.

        “In all their actions and secret writings, it comes to light clearly when so exposed – HATRED OF CHRIST AND MARY.”

        Again, I don’t hate Jesus or Mary. I have my suspicion about people who claim to follow his teachings which in reality has meant a lot misery for a lot of people world wide for 2000 years.

        “i won’t enumerate examples, it has been done in this forum more than once by posters with much better grasp of dates and details, once I grab the meaning of something, i don’t over-analyze, if it makes more sense than any other explanation, that’s it for me, I move on.
        In morals, art, communities and their mores, up and down and across the continent and definitely including Russia – Christianity, all finally, 1138, look at that wonderful Europe of the recent, pre-Jew-imperial past, the unequaled triumph of culture and civilization.
        what is the binding notion, its circulatory system?
        Christianity, yes.
        2,000 years of it.
        What is a non-Christian Europe?
        Don’t wonder, just look around you, it is staring you in the face today.”

        Don’t you consider ancient Egypt, Greece or the Roman empire also pinnacles of civilisation? There was no need for Christianity to accomplish that. Christianity has been a binding factor only because people were forced to accept it. ( Just as Islam was for the same reason ) And 1500 years of its unnatural beliefs of loving the weak and ugly instead of the strong and beautiful and forgiveness to your enemy or anyone’s deeds has rendered us into what we are today.

        No doubt that the pagan beliefs would have been replaced through acquiring knowledge of the unknown. But the natural admiration for everything that is healthy, strong and beautiful would have survived as ideal. As would the focus on bettering ourselves – as every living thing does – instead of others in the name of ‘goodness’. As stated, I believe that for instance Communism couldn’t have existed without the prepatorial groundwork of 1500 years of Christian belief that everybody is equally valuable in the eyes of a personal manloving God. And don’t forget, Organised Christianity was only too happy to team up with Capitalism and Communism – so-called arch enemies – to destroy National Socialism, the only modern valuesystem in harmony with all of creation.

        Well, we will probably never fully agree but that’s alright. Remember that we will always be on the same side. Against IT. But I’m not going to forgive it. That mistake has been proven fatal more than once.

      29. Flopot,

        Yes, I agree, you have a point there. Centralised, grown out of proportion empires, existing of many different cultures and races are perfect receptive breeding grounds for intriguing strangers with an agenda, like the jew.

      30. 1138,
        to make stuff italic or bold, replace “[” by “” in the following strings
        [i] stuff to be italicized [/i],
        [b] stuff to be bolded [/b],

        more html tricks available, easy to look it up on internet.

        Regarding our debate, Christianity is on its deathbed anyway, Jew just about triumphed completely.
        But still, i recommend that you look up this site to apprise yourself of the many measures the popes took to protect their flock, back in the day when they still walked upright.

        does it sound like groveling to the Chosenites?

      31. 1138,

        The first Viking Duke of Normandy, Hrolfr the walker or Raoul by his Christian name, pbuh, said on his deathbed in 931:

        “When I will be no more, you will distribute one hundred pounds of gold to the Christian churches to pay tribute to the true God.”
        “You will also behead one hundred Christian prisoners to satisfy Odin.”

        Nobody forced those Nordic pagans to become Christians, they just settled down to take roots. Maybe their women forced them, that’s my theory.
        The real curse for Europe was the progressive reintroduction of patriarchal Roman law and centralization of power during Renaissance with the democratic and republican doctrines. At the end of a typical school curriculum, a French student knows nothing about Middle Ages, this obscure period of history stuck between Antiquity and the Renaissance, except for Emperor Charlemagne, the secret of Templars and the treasure of Cathars or the reverse.

        Here is a dialogue between a Jew and a Catholic, the intransigent type, in a French courtroom.
        https://rutube.ru/video/aad5df9e859c492cb0100f5454d5de10/?ref=search
        Translation:
        HDL: “Do you reject the Talmud that describes non-jews as beasts x3. Answer to this question.
        Haziza: I don’t have to answer you. You call for murder.
        HDL: Liar, pharisian x2.”
        Henri De Lesquen was sued by a Jewish association for incitement to ethnic hatred after multiple tweets about negro music, interbreeding, races and about Shoah survivors aging well like “the boisterous Simone Weil”, lol.

        Inverted inquisition for HDL.

      32. @Lobro

        Yes; Christianity is becoming Judaized, e.g. Christian Zionists don’t know it yet but they’re treating Jews like Gods. Witness the new “Awareness of Anti-Semitism Bill” which, as far as I can see, overrides the Free Speech provision in the Constitution. Treated like Gods.

        https://rehmat1.com/2016/12/07/us-bans-criticism-of-israel-at-campuses/

        No outright attack on civil liberties; just the vice of fear slowly crushing people into self-censorship

        @1138

        Yes; a disparate empire might have many points of conflict — cracks into which the Masters of Discourse can pour their corrosive equality propaganda. Thus people are slowly turned against their own morality, commonsense and laws.

        Anytime the Jews clamor for “equal rights”, they are really asking for the right to treat everybody else unequally. Anti-Jewish laws were in place to force the Jews to behave like others. They were being encouraged not do anti-social things like, say, seeking the destruction of the host culture; manipulating the masses into debt and war etc etc etc

    3. Circassian –

      The “United States” (corporation) has been bankrupt since 1935. A “collapse” is a collapse – not a “bankruptcy”. We may be about to venture into uncharted territory, indeed! The rest of the world – yours, too – will go down with it when that happens.

      1. @Gilbert Huntly

        >> The “United States” (corporation) has been bankrupt since 1935. A “collapse” is a collapse – not a “bankruptcy”.

        I was not talking about collapse, or being bankrupt – in case if you have missed that. I was talking about “going through the bankruptcy procedure”. Not the same thing. I am a mathematical physicist, GH, and as such I endeavor to speak in precise terms. An entity cannot go through the bankruptcy procedure until the entity declares that it is bankrupt. Correct me if I am wrong, but “United States” (corporation) has never declared that it was bankrupt.

        >> We may be about to venture into uncharted territory, indeed!

        Yes, sir, you may be, indeed!

        >> The rest of the world – yours, too – will go down with it when that happens.

        We’ll be just fine. Don’t worry about us, worry about US.

      2. Actually, the U.S. went into receivership when the gold was called in 1933, and by way of the Social Security Act of 1935. Since that time, the U.S. Money masters have been involved in whatever your Russia has indulged – even back to 1917. The complicated intaglement has all of us trapped in its web. To address your attitude: I really don’t give a shit about Russia any more than you give a damn about the U.S. Just don’t crow too loudly about it. 🙂

    4. Circassian

      why can’t you play nice in all of your posts, like the one above where you opine that Trump was put in office to oversee a bankruptcy process? This is a very credible statement. So why sabotage yourself with all the crap?

  7. Dear Mr. Pollard,
    let me tell you something about the political situation in Italy. Mr. Renzi resigned but he is not expected to leave until some new financial acts are approved by the government and this might take place in a few days. After he has left there will probably be a transition government until new political elections take place and it may happen in February or latest in the beginning of March. It’s more than sure than the center-left coalition now ruling Italy will loose and forecasts are:
    Five Star Movement: between 27 and 30%
    Northern League. between 13 and 17%
    Brothers of Italy between 5 and 6%
    The total of the lower percentage does not allow to exceed 50% and to reach that it would be necessary to have the support of Forza Italia (Berlusconi), which is expected at approx. 8 or 10%. But Berlusconi’s party is not against Euro and EU and is “soft” about immigration problems. Who is holding the balance can therefore blackmail and make pressure “in the EU interest” and this would certainly lead to another political chaos.
    I personally hope this will not happen because, as Italian, I’m against Euro and everything is coming from EU but there are of course some risks to be taken into consideration. The game is not won yet but there are good hopes and chances.
    Gian Franco Spotti
    Soragna (Parma)
    Italy

    1. Mr Gianfranco,
      can you name one single European country that has benefited from membership in this monster named European Union?
      I can’t, maybe some insignificant parasitical ones like Bulgaria or Cyprus.
      Look at all the ones who lost both sovereignty and standard of living, not to mention freedom of speech, one whose national debt hasn’t soared exponentially and that includes even the most powerful and prosperous ones, Germany, Italy, France, Scandinavia, UK, all asset stripped by jew moneychangers, all the assets shipped to Israel.

      And once the euro implodes into Weimar footprint, Jew carpetbaggers will scrape off the rest.
      The only country that escaped is Switzerland, because it stayed out and moreover, because it is a declared safe territory for the hyper-Jews, the Rothschilds, Schiffs, Warburgs, Montefiores, Goldschmidts, Oppenheimers and the rest of the top ranking demons, they can park their gold mountain there and go skiing while the world sinks in flames, misery, death and disease, all the riders of the Apocalypse running riot all around.

      1. Dear Lobro,

        I fully agree with you. No country has really benefited from membership in the UE. Even less those in the south-european area (Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal). Even Germany. Most Germans would go back to the old Mark but interviews confirming this trend cannot be seen on TV screens. I know we are living in an economic and financial dictatorship but most people do not understand this. People do not change so fast as they should and this is the reason why big changes are slow to come, but they are coming…I’m sure!
        Regards
        Gian Franco Spotti

      2. All the assets shipped to Israel.

        Nope, all the assets virtually shipped to Delaware, New York, Barbados….City of London.
        Juncker’s Luxembourg benefited from European Union. Poland and the Balts also. All the compradore bourgeoisie of Europe have benefited from EU.

      3. Phil –

        “Nope, all the assets virtually shipped to Delaware, New York, Barbados….City of London.”

        I agree..!!

  8. I hope the EU collapses ASAP. It will mean no more funding for the hordes of moronic NGOs that have spread all over the Globe subverting countries, promoting chaos and turning them into failed States. Let’s hope Trump does the same in the US; by shutting down NED and HRW. Lords of Misery, the lot of them.

  9. On 5th of July 2015,there was a referendum in Greece ,about Europe.

    The result was 61,3% NO to Europe but nothing happened,since the government turned into Yes and the German occupation of my country is firmly established .

    I am afraid that in Italy the same will happen and that we will not see any Brexit.

    1. @ Ταϋγέτη

      17.4 million Brits voted in June for Brexit. Prime Minister Theresa May keep repeating like a mantra: “Brexit means Brexit.” But she does nothing to deliver Brexit to the people.

      The Supreme Court judges (mostly Jews) and large numbers of MPs (Jews or Zionists) refuse to honor the referendum. They despise the will of the people and make a mockery of democracy. One of these politicians, John Major, a former Prime Minister of Britain, has spoken with contempt of the 17.4 million voters who voted for Brexit. The words he used will go down in history. Brexit voters must not given what they voted for, he says, because this is “the tyranny of the majority.”

      Remember those words: “THE TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY.” 🙂

      1. When the people overwhelmingly vote for something the elite doesn’t want, the elite people always say, “No, you can’t have it!” Truly, democracy is a sham, a total sham. They are now calling the Brexit vote “mobocracy”, “the dictatorship of the mob”, and “the tyranny of the majority.”

      2. We don’t have a democracy, we have an elitocracy disguised as a democracy. If by chance the people vote against the wishes of the elite, then democracy suddenly becomes “mobocracy”, just like news from alternative sites becomes “fake news”.

      3. @Uncle Toby

        >> Truly, democracy is a sham, a total sham.

        Couldn’t agree more. How about freedom of speech, Toby? Do you believe in freedom of speech? Most importantly, are you willing to do your best for the freedom of speech to prevail on this site?

        If you are short of energy to waste answering my questions, please rest assured that I will not hold it against you. I am an old and tired man myself.

      4. Yes, freedom of speech is desirable — except in the case of (a) lunatics who cry “Fire!” in a crowded theater when there is no fire, and (b) Zionist trolls trying to sabotage anti-zionist websites.

      5. Talmudocracy

        whatever that traitorous turd kalergi thought, he was never factored into the true elite, just a convenient cutout while the power grab proceeded unseen behind the theatrical props.

        The Protocols spell it out clearly.

      6. @ LD

        Today i was informed that the British Parliament supported Brexit.

        If this is true i am very happy,because i love England and i do not want this country to end up like Greece under Merkel and Shauble .

        As for John Major,i know what kind of insipid,dull grey man he is.

        I have lived in London and South Glamorgan(Wales) for three decades and those years were the happiest in my life, i learnt also so many useful things that that period was something like a study in the best university.
        I like even the weather,BUT i hated the British politicians who under the influence of Zionism were always against my country and in support of Turkey.

        You write…The Supreme Court judges (mostly Jews) and large numbers of MPs (Jews or Zionists)…

        You cannot imagine WHAT my country suffers under their influence.More than any other country.

  10. As long as the vast majority of European goydom is not prepared to use violence and condemn the ones who are the filthy jew has absolutely nothing to worry about.

  11. “And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of war: see that ye not be troubled: for all these (worldly) things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”

    There is a hidden meaning to the number “21” re: “agenda 21”. Per its ancient esoteric designation, it is the number for the world. But what exactly IS the “world” as seen within a context of agenda-21?

    world: [ME, fr. OE woruld – human existence, this world, age, fr. a prehistoric compound whose first constituent is represented by OE wer (man) and whose second constituent is akin to OE, eald (old)

    2) people in general: mankind

    For all intents and purposes, “agenda-21” can be termed “agenda – the World”, the agenda being to contain mankind in one giant “corral” (pale).

    But it’s important to understand that while the MOVE towards agenda – 21 is inexorable, it can never reach full fruition. The level of oppression this implies is UNATTAINABLE in reflecting the constituent dynamics of the Universe (a bold statement to be sure!)

    Aside from the obvious nefariousness of such a twisted ambition, that the diabolical plan is so far along indicates that the “end of the world” is approaching (i.e.; the end of “a system of things”; the jew hegemony) Running concurrent to this relentless pursuit is the tribulation period, “…and then the end will come.”

    So what may signal the end?

    Here are some different versions to emulate Matthew 24:29

    “Ancient legends tell of at least three “end of the world” scenarios in the troubled history of planet earth. In one, tremendous volcanic eruptions, and great fireballs from outer space consumed the World in a titanic conflagration. Another saw gigantic, sprawling storms that roared over the Earth in an instant, sweeping away everything in their path like an angry forearm shiver into a house of cards. In what is thought in some circles to be the most recent major cataclysm, all the vast seas rose as one, with monstrous, heaving swells engulfing the world, claiming it all. They could happen in the blink of an eye. One moment everything was in it’s place, and the next…..

    to get his attention
    man needs a correction
    a transfiguration
    of edification

  12. ***HOPE ON***

    Occupied Europe can only look in confused envy whilst the Syrians inflict a Stalingrad on the powers of darkness (yes I am allowing myself a moment of hope and joy 😛 )…

    https://www.sott.net/article/335974-The-Global-Ramifications-of-Aleppos-Liberation#comment172683

    FYI, I think Putin stated he would make Syria the West’s Stalingrad…cannae find the original link; my mind might be playings tricks on me.

    ***HOPE OFF***

    Still, probably all scripted…mumble…grumble…moan

    1. Lobro –

      “A picture says it all.”

      Not quite, in this case….

      That picture is missing its caption:

      Putin: “Middle East needs modern Marshall Plan”

      “I have repeatedly said that this evil (terrorism) can be defeated only by combining efforts of all the countries in the world. Russia has suggested and still suggests it to all its partners. Today the large scope of destructions requires a long-term and elaborate program, something like a Marshall Plan, to recover the war-torn regions, ” said Putin.

      https://news.am/eng/news/354064.html

      This picture says waaaay more:

      http://marshallfoundation.org/library/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2014/05/george-marshall-placeholder.jpg

      Marshall was a US General, not Russian. Putin admits he still needs help from his handlers…. in US. 🙂

      1. More help for Putin… 🙂

        Countries flying drones:

        Turkey, Syria, Iran, Russia, the U.S., Britain and Iraq all have used drones in Syria and Iraq.

        Putin buys his from Israel.

        Kurdish militias, Syrian rebel forces, and the Hezbollah and IS have also used some form of drones.

        Their missions range from simple surveillance to precisely targeted assassinations of key terrorists by the U.S.-led coalition.

        http://www.voanews.com/a/military-drones-flood-war-skies-over-syria-and-iraq/3330150.html

  13. Where are we heading? Let me remind here a fragment of an ancient vision: “And [the king of the north] will go back (to) his land with great wealth [1945. This detail indicated that Hitler will attack also the Soviet Union and will fight to the bitter end. In the beginning there were no signs of such the ending of this war]; and his heart (will be) against the holy covenant [hostility towards Christians. Soviet Union introduced state atheism]; and will act [it means activity in the international arena]; and turned back to his own land [1991-1993. The collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. Russian troops returned to their country]. At the appointed time [he] will return back.” (Daniel 11:28, 29a) The return of Russia in this context also means the breakup of the European Union and NATO. Many countries of the former Eastern block reconciled with Russia.

    This does not include everyone. “And [the king of the north] will enter into the south [this can be Georgia], but it will not be as the former [2008 – Georgia] or as the latter [now Ukraine], for the dwellers of coastlands of Kittim [USA, in the beginning without Britain] will come against him, and he will be dejected, and will go back.” (Daniel 11:29b, 30a)

    What will induce the “king of the north” to enter into the south? Jesus said: “For nation will rise against nation”, as in 2008 in Georgia, and then will be U.S. intervention and global nuclear war. As Jesus foretold, it will be “the beginning of birth pains”. (Matthew 24:7, 8; Revelation 6:4)

    In 1882 British troops occupied Egypt. Great Britain then took the role of “the king of the south”. Around the same time, Russia expanded its influence in the region, which previously belonged to Seleucus I Nicator, and took the role of “the king of the north”. (Daniel 11:27)

    All the details of this vision are being fulfilled from the time of ancient Persia, in chronological order. It is true that this vision is variously interpreted. As one can see, it has a lot of details. Therefore the insightful person is able to detect any error or sophistry. (Daniel 12:10)

  14. Do I hear an echo chamber or what?

    “Segregated republic nations full of populism, hate, discrimination & anti political correctness are self destructive & the catalyst for WW3.” — Baroness De Rothschild

    Best reply to the twat’s tweet was from Melanie Young ‏@melaniedyoung1

    @AnaDeRothschild no hunny, going after countries who refuse to bow down to bankers is the catalyst to WW3. Stick to your day job.

    I’ve just found my font of knowledge. Thanks Twitter. When will the kikes ever learn to keep their big wrap around mouths shut?

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