John Pilger: The Coming War on China

Award winning veteran journalist and film-maker John Pilger raises the alarm on an under-reported and dangerous provocation. A major US military build-up – including nuclear weapons – is under way in Asia and the Pacific with the purpose of confronting China.


More than 400 military bases surround China in a tight noose—
poised to attack with missiles, bombers, warships and nuclear weapons.

New Internationalist reports:

When I first went to Hiroshima in 1967, the shadow on the steps was still there. It was an almost perfect impression of a human being at ease: legs splayed, back bent, one hand by her side as she sat waiting for a bank to open. At a quarter past eight on the morning of 6 August, 1945, she and her silhouette were burned into the granite. I stared at the shadow for an hour or more, unforgettably. When I returned many years later, it was gone: taken away, ‘disappeared’, a political embarrassment.

I have spent two years making a documentary film, The Coming War on China, in which the evidence and witnesses warn that nuclear war is no longer a shadow, but a contingency. The greatest build-up of American-led military forces since the Second World War is well under way. They are on the western borders of Russia, and in Asia and the Pacific, confronting China.

The great danger this beckons is not news, or it is news buried and distorted: a drumbeat of propaganda that echoes the psychopathic campaign embedded in public consciousness during much of the 20th century.

Like the renewal of post-Soviet Russia, the rise of China as an economic power is declared an ‘existential threat’ to the divine right of the United States to rule and dominate human affairs.

To counter this, in 2011 President Obama announced a ‘pivot to Asia’, which meant that almost two-thirds of US naval forces would be transferred to Asia and the Pacific by 2020.

Today, more than 400 American military bases encircle China with missiles, bombers, warships and, above all, nuclear weapons. From Australia north through the Pacific to Japan, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India, the bases form, says one US strategist, ‘the perfect noose’.

A study by the RAND Corporation – which, since Vietnam, has planned America’s wars – is entitled War with China: Thinking Through the Unthinkable. Commissioned by the US Army, the authors evoke the Cold War when RAND made notorious the catch cry of its chief strategist, Herman Kahn – ‘thinking the unthinkable’. Kahn’s book, On Thermonuclear War, elaborated a plan for a ‘winnable’ nuclear war against the Soviet Union.

Today, his apocalyptic view is shared by those holding real power in the US: the Pentagon militarists and their neoconservative collaborators in the executive, intelligence agencies and Congress. The current Secretary of Defense, Ashley Carter, a verbose provocateur, says US policy is to confront those ‘who see America’s dominance and want to take that away from us’.

‘Punish’ China

In Washington, I met Amitai Etzioni, distinguished professor of international affairs at George Washington University. The US, he writes, ‘is preparing for a war with China, a momentous decision that so far has failed to receive a thorough review from elected officials, namely the White House and Congress.’

This war would begin with a ‘blinding attack against Chinese anti-access facilities, including land and sea-based missile launchers… satellite and anti-satellite weapons’. The incalculable risk is that ‘deep inland strikes could be mistakenly perceived by the Chinese as pre-emptive attempts to take out its nuclear weapons, thus cornering them into “a terrible use-it-or-lose-it dilemma” [that would] lead to nuclear war.’

In 2015, the Pentagon released its Law of War Manual. ‘The United States,’ it says, ‘has not accepted a treaty rule that prohibits the use of nuclear weapons per se, and thus nuclear weapons are lawful weapons for the United States.’

In China, a strategist told me, ‘We are not your enemy, but if you [in the West] decide we are, we must prepare without delay.’ China’s military and arsenal are small compared to America’s. However, ‘for the first time,’ wrote Gregory Kulacki of the Union of Concerned Scientists, ‘China is discussing putting its nuclear missiles on high alert so that they can be launched quickly on warning of an attack… This would be a significant and dangerous change in Chinese policy… Indeed, the nuclear weapon policies of the United States are the most prominent external factor influencing Chinese advocates for raising the alert level of China’s nuclear forces.’

Professor Ted Postol was scientific adviser to the head of US naval operations. An authority on nuclear weapons, he told me, ‘Everybody here wants to look like they’re tough. See, I got to be tough… I’m not afraid of doing anything military, I’m not afraid of threatening; I’m a hairy-chested gorilla. And we have gotten into a state, the United States has gotten into a situation where there’s a lot of sabre-rattling, and it’s really being orchestrated from the top.’

I said, ‘This seems incredibly dangerous.’

‘That’s an understatement.’

Andrew Krepinevich is a former Pentagon war planner and the influential author of war games against China. He wants to ‘punish’ China for extending its defences to the South China Sea. He advocates seeding the ocean with sea mines, sending in US special forces and enforcing a naval blockade. He told me, ‘Our first president, George Washington, said if you want peace, prepare for war.’

In 2015, in high secrecy, the US staged its biggest single military exercise since the Cold War. This was Talisman Sabre; an armada of ships and long-range bombers rehearsed an ‘Air-Sea Battle Concept for China’ – ASB – blocking sea lanes in the Straits of Malacca and cutting off China’s access to oil, gas and other raw materials from the Middle East and Africa.

It is such a provocation, and the fear of a US Navy blockade, that has seen China feverishly building strategic airstrips on disputed reefs and islets in the Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. Last July, the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration ruled against China’s claim of sovereignty over these islands. Although the action was brought by the Philippines, it was presented by leading American and British lawyers and can be traced to then US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

In 2010, Clinton flew to Manila. She demanded that America’s former colony reopen the US military bases closed down in the 1990s following a popular campaign against the violence they generated, especially against Filipino women. She declared China’s claim on the Spratly Islands – which lie more than 7,500 miles (12,000 kilometres) from the United States – a threat to US ‘national security’ and to ‘freedom of navigation’.

Handed millions of dollars in arms and military equipment, the then government of President Benigno Aquino broke off bilateral talks with China and signed a secretive Enhanced Defense Co-operation Agreement with the US. This established five rotating US bases and restored a hated colonial provision that American forces and contractors were immune from Philippine law.

Under the rubric of ‘information dominance’ – the jargon for media manipulation on which the Pentagon spends more than $4 billion – the Obama administration launched a propaganda campaign that cast China, the world’s greatest trading nation, as a threat to ‘freedom of navigation’.

CNN led the way, its ‘national security reporter’ reporting excitedly from on board a US Navy surveillance flight over the Spratlys. The BBC persuaded frightened Filipino pilots to fly a single-engine Cessna over the disputed islands ‘to see how the Chinese would react’. None of the news reports questioned why the Chinese were building airstrips off their own coastline, or why American military forces were massing on China’s doorstep.

The designated chief propagandist is Admiral Harry Harris, the US military commander in Asia and the Pacific. ‘My responsibilities,’ he told The New York Times, ‘cover Bollywood to Hollywood, from polar bears to penguins.’ Never was imperial domination described as pithily.

Malleable media and obsequious partners

Harris is one of a brace of Pentagon admirals and generals briefing selected, malleable journalists and broadcasters, with the aim of justifying a threat as specious as that with which George W Bush and Tony Blair justified the destruction of Iraq.

In Los Angeles in September, Harris declared he was ‘ready to confront a revanchist Russia and an assertive China… If we have to fight tonight, I don’t want it to be a fair fight. If it’s a knife fight, I want to bring a gun. If it’s a gun fight, I want to bring in the artillery… and all our partners with their artillery.’

These ‘partners’ include South Korea, an American colony in all but name and the launch pad for the Pentagon’s Terminal High Altitude Air Defense system, known as THAAD, ostensibly aimed at North Korea. As Professor Postol points out, it targets China.

In Sydney, Australia, Harris called on China to ‘tear down its Great Wall in the South China Sea’. The imagery was front-page news. Australia is America’s most obsequious ‘partner’; its political elite, military, intelligence agencies and the dominant Murdoch media are fully integrated into what is known as the ‘alliance’. Closing the Sydney Harbour Bridge for the motorcade of a visiting American government ‘dignitary’ is not uncommon. The war criminal Dick Cheney was afforded this honour.

Although China is Australia’s biggest trader, on which much of the national economy relies, ‘confronting China’ is the diktat from Washington. The few political dissenters in Canberra risk McCarthyite smears in the Murdoch press. ‘You in Australia are with us come what may,’ said one of the architects of the Vietnam War, McGeorge Bundy. One of the most important US bases is Pine Gap near Alice Springs. Founded by the CIA, it spies on China and all of Asia, and is a vital contributor to Washington’s murderous war by drone in the Middle East.

In October, Richard Marles, the defence spokesperson of the main Australian opposition party, the Labor Party, demanded that ‘operational decisions’ in provocative acts against China be left to military commanders in the South China Sea. In other words, a decision that could mean war with a nuclear power should not be taken by an elected leader or a parliament but by an admiral or a general.

This is the Pentagon line, a historic departure for any state calling itself a democracy. The ascendancy of the Pentagon in Washington – which Daniel Ellsberg has called a silent coup – is reflected in the record $5 trillion the United States has spent on aggressive wars since 9/11, according to a study by Brown University. The million dead in Iraq and the flight of 12 million refugees from at least four countries are the consequence.

‘I state clearly and with conviction,’ said Obama in 2009, ‘America’s commitment to seek the peace and security of a world without nuclear weapons.’ Under Obama, nuclear warhead spending has risen higher than under any president since the end of the Cold War. A mini nuclear weapon is planned. Known as the B61 Model 12, it will mean, says General James Cartwright, former vice-chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that ‘going smaller [makes its use] more thinkable’.

Peaceful resistance

The Japanese island of Okinawa has 32 military installations, from which Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Afghanistan and Iraq have been attacked by the United States. Today, the principal target is China, with whom Okinawans have close cultural and trade ties.

There are military aircraft constantly in the sky over Okinawa; they sometimes crash into homes and schools. People cannot sleep, teachers cannot teach. Wherever they go in their own country, they are fenced in and told to keep out.

A hugely popular Okinawan movement has been growing since a 12-year-old girl was gang-raped by US troops in 1995. It was one of hundreds of such crimes, many of them never prosecuted. Barely acknowledged in the wider world, the resistance in Okinawa is a vivid expression of how ordinary people can peacefully take on a military giant, and threaten to win.

Their campaign has elected Japan’s first anti-base governor, Takeshi Onaga, and presented an unfamiliar hurdle to the Tokyo government and the ultra-nationalist Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s plans to repeal Japan’s ‘peace constitution’.

The resistance leaders include Fumiko Shimabukuro, aged 87, a survivor of the Second World War, when a quarter of Okinawans died in the American invasion. Fumiko and hundreds of others took refuge in beautiful Henoko Bay, which she is now fighting to save. The US wants to destroy the bay in order to extend runways for its bombers. As we gathered peacefully outside the US base, Camp Schwab, giant Sea Stallion helicopters hovered over us for no reason other than to intimidate.

Across the East China Sea lies the Korean island of Jeju, a semi-tropical sanctuary and World Heritage Site declared ‘an island of world peace’. On this island of world peace has been built one of the most provocative military bases in the world, less than 400 miles (650 kilometres) from Shanghai. The fishing village of Gangjeong is dominated by a South Korean naval base purpose-built for US aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and destroyers equipped with the Aegis missile system, aimed at China.

A people’s resistance to these war preparations has become a presence on Jeju for almost a decade. Every day, often twice a day, villagers, Catholic priests and supporters from all over the world stage a religious mass that blocks the gates of the base. In a country where political demonstrations are often banned, unlike powerful religions, the tactic has produced an inspiring spectacle.

One of the leaders, Father Mun Jeong-hyeon, told me, ‘I sing four songs every day at the base, regardless of the weather. I sing in typhoons – no exception. To build this base, they destroyed the environment, and the life of the villagers, and we should be a witness to that. They want to rule the Pacific. They want to make China isolated in the world. They want to be emperor of the world.’

I flew to Shanghai for the first time in more than a generation. When I was last in China, the loudest noise I remember was the tinkling of bicycle bells; Mao Zedong had recently died, and the cities seemed dark places, in which foreboding and expectation competed. Within a few years, Deng Xiaoping, the ‘man who changed China’, was the ‘paramount leader’. Nothing prepared me for the astonishing changes today.

I met Lijia Zhang, a Beijing journalist and typical of a new class of outspoken mavericks. Her best-selling book has the ironic title Socialism Is Great! She grew up during the chaotic and brutal Cultural Revolution and has lived in the US and Europe. ‘Many Americans imagine,’ she said, ‘that Chinese people live a miserable, repressed life with no freedom whatsoever. The [idea of] the yellow peril has never left them… They have no idea there are some 500 million people being lifted out of poverty, and some would say it’s 600 million.’

She described modern China as a ‘golden cage’. ‘Since the reforms started,’ she said, ‘and we’ve become so much better off, China has become one of the most unequal societies in the world. There are lots of protests now: typically, land being grabbed by officials for commercial development. But farmers are more aware of their rights; and young factory workers are demanding a better wage and conditions.’

The world is shifting east

China today presents perfect ironies, not least the house in Shanghai where Mao and his comrades secretly founded the Communist Party of China in 1921. Today, it stands in the heart of a very capitalist shopping district; you walk out of this communist shrine with your Little Red Book and your plastic bust of Mao into the embrace of Starbucks, Apple, Cartier, Prada.

Would Mao be shocked? I doubt it. Five years before his great revolution in 1949, he sent this secret message to Washington. ‘China must industrialize,’ he wrote. ‘This can only be done by free enterprise. Chinese and American interests fit together, economically and politically. America need not fear that we will not be co-operative. We cannot risk any conflict.’

Mao offered to meet Franklin Roosevelt in the White House, and his successor Harry Truman, and his successor Dwight Eisenhower. He was rebuffed, or wilfully ignored. The opportunity that might have changed contemporary history, prevented wars in Asia and saved countless lives was lost because the truth of these overtures was denied in 1950s Washington ‘when the catatonic Cold War trance,’ wrote the critic James Naremore, ‘held our country in its rigid grip’.

Eric Li, a Shanghai venture capitalist and social scientist, told me, ‘I make the joke: in America you can change political parties, but you can’t change the policies. In China you cannot change the party, but you can change policies. The political changes that have taken place in China this past 66 years have been wider and broader and greater than probably in any other major country in living memory.’

For all the difficulties of those left behind by China’s rapid growth, such as workers from the countryside living on the edge in cities built for conspicuous consumption, and those Tiananmen brave-hearts still challenging ‘the centre’, the Party, what is striking is the widespread sense of optimism that buttresses the epic of change.

The world is shifting east; but the astonishing vision of Eurasia from China is barely understood in the West. The ‘New Silk Road’ is a ribbon of trade, ports, pipelines and high-speed trains all the way to Europe. China, the world’s leader in rail technology, is negotiating with 28 countries for routes on which trains will reach up to 400 kilometres an hour. This opening to the world has the approval of much of humanity and, along the way, is uniting China and Russia; and they are doing it entirely without ‘us’ in the West.

We – or many of us – remain in thrall to the US, which has intervened violently in the affairs of a third of the members of the United Nations, destroying governments, subverting elections, imposing blockades. In the past five years, the US has shipped deadly weapons to 96 countries, most of them poor. Dividing societies in order to control them is US policy, as the tragedies in Iraq and Syria demonstrate.

‘I believe in American exceptionalism with every fibre of my being,’ said Barack Obama, evoking the national fetishism of the 1930s. This modern cult of superiority is Americanism, the world’s dominant predator. Accompanied by a brainwashing that presents it as enlightenment on the march, the conceit insinuates our lives.

In September, the Atlantic Council, a US geopolitical thinktank, published a report that predicted a Hobbesian world ‘marked by the breakdown of order, violent extremism and an era of perpetual war’. The new enemies were a ‘resurgent’ Russia and an ‘increasingly aggressive’ China. Only heroic America can save us.

There is a demented quality about this war-mongering. It is as if the ‘American Century’ – proclaimed in 1941 by the American imperialist Henry Luce, owner of Time magazine – has ended without notice and no-one has had the courage to tell the emperor to take his guns and go home.

By John Pilger / New Internationalist

The Coming War on China is John Pilger’s 60th film for ITV. Pilger reveals what the news doesn’t – that the world’s greatest military power, the United States, and the world’s second economic power, China, both nuclear-armed, are on the road to war. Pilger’s film is a warning and an inspiring story of resistance.

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          1. @ Toby
            @ Sister Monica

            An unwritten rule is that both you monitors are equal, independent and autonomous. You must not interfere with each others decisions in future. If one monitor feels the need to delete 18 comments in an attempt to keep order, the other monitor has no right to undelete those 18 comments. That only creates more disorder.

      1. Any nuclear war is unthinkable. It would destroy the participants, and would also damage bystanders. I think/hope Mr Trump will make that clear to the neocon maniacs who have been running the Department of Defense for too long. I hope he has the guts to fire anybody who makes war more likely.

        If China behaves badly, as in the South China Sea than diplomatic pressure and sanctions would be the best approach, particularly travel bans on individual leaders.

        Apart from the risk of war, the financial cost of maintaining 200+ bases around the world is far too high, and the cost in young American lives in vaporized aircraft carriers would leave the country grief-stricken, but that has never seemed to bother the elites.

        Maybe now they are learning to listen to the common people.

      2. the cost in young American lives in vaporized aircraft carriers would leave the country grief-stricken

        Oh yes, Black Hawk is down, the zero fatality theory, this intolerance to death that has made the US army the most ruthless, costly, inoperative and hated war machine in history of empires. The loss of 16 rangers plus a couple of choppers in Mogadishu cost a lot to Billy Boy in term of public opinion, a lot more than bombing the city as retaliation afterwards, killing thousands. It was a good movie still, better than American Sniper.

        Any nuclear war is unthinkable.
        It might be so but who really knows with Pre-emptive nuclear strike doctrine, OT fanatics and pizza gate party. Anyway, a couple of cruise missiles on three Gorges Dam or other energy related strategical spots could easily trigger a lot of systemic damage, if you use your imagination.

        Luckily for the world, there isn’t enough energy to fully robotize the army. Imagine that Poupon, an army of robots singing the blues, how sweet that would be. I truly hope there is no abiotic oil.

      3. “3 Gorges Dam”?
        i think you got your geography mixed up, Phil.
        You meant Hoover Dam, right?
        for each action, an equal & opposite … while the depopulator species wallows in tikkun olam champagne.

    1. @ Admin

      A very excellent and timely article that I have posted on my new CADL site with a link to Darkmoon.

      I take this opportunity to respectfully ask if I may change my handle from JFC to CADL henceforth?

      Andrew Kwong

      1. CADL –

        I like it… 🙂

        Chinese Anti-Defamation League (CADL)

        Established in 2016 in Vancouver, British Columbia, by Andrew Kwong, the Chinese Anti-Defamation & Defense League’s mission is to stop the hateful defamation of China and overseas Chinese people and to prevent any more anti-Chinese legislation to be enacted in Canada and beyond.

      2. JFC

        Sure, no problem. If you think CADL is an improvement on JFC. I wasn’t sure what the initials ‘CADL’ meant at first until Pat gave the link.

        Anyway, I hope your new site catches on. Good luck!


      3. This has been deliberately excluded from the Lamestream News. It’s time for Asians to wake up and realize that the belong on the Far Right/Alt Right, not in the middle, and not in the filthy toxicity of the Left.

        You go, Andrew.

      4. @ Pat, Toby & Poupon Marx

        Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.

        @ Poupon Marx

        I come from the Left and now I am approaching the Alt-Right… but because I am not White and Alt-Right is associated with Richard Spencer and White Nationalism, I prefer to classify myself as “Alt-Left” which has still to be properly defined to my liking, and certainly not by Jews. They’re trying but I won’t let them.

        Among other things, my CADL site is also an attempt to define the New Left or rather the “Alt-Left” is the New Left. To my way of thinking, and as I said in a post a day or so ago, there isn’t a lick of difference, really, between the Alt-Right and Alt-Left.

        But by identifying myself as “Alt-Left” there is now a 2-pronged attack against the enemy. Think strategically, act tactically. Of course, I understand Lasha is Alt-Right and I was just jesting with her when I dubbed her the Queen of the Alt-Left because of her love of obscure decadent bohemian French poetry from La Belle Époque. 🙂

  2. WHEW..!!!

    “Today, more than 400 American military bases encircle China with missiles, bombers, warships and, above all, nuclear weapons. From Australia north through the Pacific to Japan, Korea and across Eurasia to Afghanistan and India, the bases form, says one US strategist, ‘the perfect noose’.”


    China has ONLY ONE military base abroad..!! It is in the Indian Ocean island of Seychelles to “seek supplies and recuperate” facilities for its Navy.

    That is proof there will be NO WAR..!!! 🙂

    He continued:
    “A study by the RAND Corporation – which, since Vietnam, has planned America’s wars – is entitled War with China: Thinking Through the Unthinkable. Commissioned by the US Army, the authors evoke the Cold War when RAND made notorious the catch cry of its chief strategist, Herman Kahn – ‘thinking the unthinkable’. Kahn’s book, On Thermonuclear War, elaborated a plan for a ‘winnable’ nuclear war against the Soviet Union.”

    We all SHOULD know:
    The RAND Corporation and its agents are the world’s greatest masters of deception and dis-info…. They even created the Delphi Techniques in 1955 to fool whole groups of concerned people into believing they control the discussions at meetings…. By use of consensus after hearing from Pharisee-Jew experts..!! Like Herman Kahn… who died in 1983…. founder of Hudson Institute…?????

    Herman Kahn was born in Bayonne, New Jersey, the son of Yetta (née Koslowsky) and Abraham Kahn, a tailor. His parents were Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe.

    The author is using the RAND’s Delphi Techniques on his audiences to sell his books and movies.
    Good job..!! 🙂

    1. Agreed, Pat. I believe this piece is just sensational, too. There’s too much shared prosperity to imagine that China, or Russia, or America – or any one of them – would be so stupid as to lock sabres for a fight to the finish! China wants to build her great railroad, and America is a vital participant, of which I have some knowledge. China and Russia and America have mutual interests which far overreach any childish flexing of muscle. This is no more than a fear tactic to justify someone’s projects and create more need whereby more currency can be borrowed into circulation. A good strategy – for someone.

      1. That is proof there will be NO WAR..!!! ?

        Offense against defense. China is a regular country with borders, not front lines.
        It proves nothing Pat.

      2. Phil –

        You give me pause. I might have to reconsider.

        Since China is surrounded by 400 US Military bases, is begging for increased reserve currency status from the US IMF and since China is in dire need of fresh water….
        …. it appears…. China has the US right where they want them. 🙂

        China NGO Rockefeller Brothers Fund will help them feel more secure as well:

        Especially in Southern China:

        Southern China’s rapid development has been accompanied by profound challenges including environmental degradation and growing disparities between rich and poor, urban and rural which, if not addressed, threaten the SUSTAINABILITY OF DEVELOPMENT in the region, the country, and the world. The Chinese government and people have been responding vigorously to these complex challenges. The RBF’s grantmaking seeks to assist these efforts.

        Help with water too:

        China faces environmental challenges as its continuing growth meets the reality of finite water resources, according to a report published by China Water Risk. Water plays a key role in energy generation, in addition to providing for agriculture needs and municipal use. The report explores the risk exposure of different water usages as well as strategies to slow energy demand and achieve the right mix of power sources.

    2. “400 military bases encircling China” borders on disinformation. Many of those 400 “bases” are little more than camps, supply depots, and radar listening posts. This is a prime example of the extrapolation you do, Pat, with a few !!!!! …….!!!!! phrases and fragments and then take them to the sidewalk in front of the Circus de Solipsism and bark it as the Greatest Truth told. It is such repetitive pattern, that others have tried to get you to tone it down, and give an interpretation or reading that is no more or less what the source you cite.

      One example of permature judgement was of me, before I was banned. You produced a picture of an acquaintance of mine who publishes a website like this one, announced it was me. He is an Air Force retired officer. Question: are you THAT insecure, Pat, to go where no knowledge has previously gone, to give opinion as a fact, when it is just a shot in the dark. You also dismissed me a clandestine Jewish troll. We had a good laugh at that one at my household.

      Every attempt to point out these quantiy over quality postings in a neutral way has been met with derision and defensiveness by you. You probably believe that I write this out of animus, but you would be wrong. I’m bothered by your dishonesty, an action, not by your character.

  3. John Kirby
    “If China behaves badly, as in the South China Sea….”
    With all due respects, John, China is not behaving badly in the South China Sea. They aren’t the only country that has fortified “rocks” in the area. Vietnam, Taiwan and the Philippines have done so, with nary a word of censure from the US. It was a joint US/UK legal team that filed the brief on behalf of the PR under the law of the sea at the Hague. The former President, Aquino went along with it. However Duterte the current President has now reached a modus vivendi with China over this issue. Ironically the US, the most vocal critic of China, is not a party to the Law of Sea, under which this case was brought to the ICJ. However, the US and UK are signatories of the Cairo Conference of 1943, which recognised China’s right to recover ALL territories seized by the Empire of Japan from 1895 onwards.
    Furthermore, even amongst the so-called allies of the USA in Asia, Americans are detested because of the behaviour of US military personnel in those countries. I refer of course to the egregious and multiple cases of rapine perpetrated by their personnel in countries like Korea, Japan and the Philippines, which host large American bases.
    So the guilty party in this case is not China, but the US. Malaysia, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia are all moving into the Chinese sphere of influence and away from the US. As they have learnt to their cost the price one pays for relying on the US. Putting it bluntly the Anglo-Saxon races cannot be trusted. History has shown this to be true. One would be better off trusting a sack of cobras.

    1. Bravo, Felix, a report from someone “on the ground and on the scene”. The goal of the Jewish controlled governments of the West is to displace and destroy native populations and import compliant Low IQ, Low Info, and generally close to Stone Age simplicity. All for command and control and burning hate of Jews for Christians, Whites (esp. Middle Class).

      A war with China, even if goes nuclear, will result in an easy victory for China, based on demographics, if nothing else. 200 million lost souls in China? Merely an extension of population number control in one chop. For the Jew Essay? The end. Totally. Then there is the problem of a stupid country like Amurika where patriotism is passe and considered for rubes and hicks.

      1. “The goal of the Jewish controlled governments of the West”

        For some of us (maybe 2 at most 😉 ), the jury is still out on Russia and China as well.

        “The goal of the Jewish controlled governments of the East” 😀

    2. Hi Felix,
      Thanks for the reply. I was under the impression that it was China that was pushing the limits in the South China Sea. I stand corrected.

      As an Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Englishman I wince when I think of the British Empire stomping its way around the world; but at least we produced Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday, James Clark Maxwell and Alexander Fleming. They did more good than all those, armies without even leaving the country.

      Conquest is calamity, and you would think that by now the world would know it.

  4. Mr. Montecristo> Not to be argumentative or having any intention of second-guessing, or presuming how to run your enterprise, but may I pose a question? Are all actions equal? Do some involve mistakes in judgement, haste, and less than optimum basis? If so, then so: how would such a tensive dichotomy be resolved?

    For example: A initiates action that is not optimal and causes a loss. B reverses actions, eliminating loss, which results in a more favorable outcome. I am no stranger to order of authority and command structure, having been the Chief of quasi-military operations for over 3 decades. However, in every organization, a mistake or less than ideal decision has to have some mechanism for correction, revision, or review. If every rule I set down, every directive was devoid of feedback and revision, consequences would have been grave for the operation-and for me.

    My opinion is mine alone, and I commit to you that I believe Sister Monica’s decision was the corrective one, and upheld the principles and purpose of your wonderful site, which I feel privileged to participate in. If you need or desire more detail and my reasoning behind such opinion, please feel free to contact me at my private email.

    Sincerely and cordially, Poupon Marx

      1. I state in advance that I intend to always comply with your standard(s), I wish to register an exception, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, that I believe could have been handled better, and still have been within the bounds, limits, and rules you set, which in fact, I think they are reasonable and hygienic.

        A surgical knife is many times more effective, preserving healthy tissue than a meat cleaver.

        The SS Darkmoon might have lost one her Main Engines with the departure of Ariandnatheo. A cruise ship usually has four. Or in a single propulsion engine, one or more cylinders are not firing. Less than optimal, less than full power.

        I shall say no more on this matter.

        Kind regards, PM

      2. Re ARIADNA


        I agree with you absolutely that this matter could have been “handled better.” In fact, It could hardly have been handled in a more cackhanded manner.

        I am truly sorry that Ariadna felt the need to decamp in anger at her perceived ill-treatment on this site but if she were to write to me at my personal email address ([email protected]), I could explain to her certain “key facts” which would enable her to view this matter in an entirely different light.

        For my own part, I’d be only too happy to see this highly gifted and sensitive lady return to our site. And if she does so, I will do my utmost to make sure he is treated kindly and fairly. Let her be sure of one thing. None of the administrators here, including Toby who deleted her comments, feel the slightest personal animosity toward her. Why should they? Without exception, they would like to see her return.

    1. “Sincerely and cordially, Poupon Marx”

      I don’t believe PM for a second — I still remember his original trolling and so I say (again), handle with care.

  5. China is doing too much business with Israel to have a war with US.

    April 2016:
    FBC represented The People’s Republic of China in the State of Israel in signing an agreement for the purchase of land in Ramat Hachayal, Tel Aviv, on which a 7-storey building has been built on an area totaling approximately 16,000m, in addition to a 3-storey basement on a 16,000m area of land.
    This land will be used to relocate the Embassy of the PRC in the State of Israel, currently located at 222 Ben Yehuda Street, Tel Aviv.

    September 2016:
    FBC advised Fujian Yango Group. Co., Ltd., a People’s Republic of China company involved, inter alia, in real estate development (“Yango”), with respect to the execution of a share purchase agreement for Yango’s NIS 1.948B(USD 510 Million) acquisition through a wholly owned subsidiary of the controlling stake in The Phoenix Holdings Ltd. (“Phoenix Holdings”) from Delek Group Ltd.

    February 2016:
    FBC represented DVP Technologies Ltd. and Digital Makeup Ltd. (“Digital Makeup”) in a primary and secondary financing round and in an exclusive license agreement with OHMK (Tianjin) Medical Technology Co. Ltd. (“OHMK”), a market leading provider of medical products in China, and EndyMed Ltd. (“EndyMed”).
    As part of the transaction, Digital Makeup entered into a license agreement to embed its code products with OHMK and EndyMed, a TASE listed company.


    April 2015:
    BFG, the second largest food manufacturer in China and owned by the Chinese government, holds 77% of the ownership interest in the Tnuva Group.

    FBC represented Bright Food (Group) Co., Ltd. and its affiliated entities in a financing transaction with Bank Hapoalim of approx. NIS 2 billion bank loan of Ap.Ms.Tn Holdings, Ltd. through which BFG holds its control interest in the Tnuva Group.

    The refinancing transaction was consummated simultaneously with the closing of the purchase transaction in which BFG acquired the control stake in the Tnuva Group from the Apax funds and Mivtach Shamir.  The Bank Hapoalim loan refinanced a previous loan from Bank Leumi.


    February 2015:
    FBC advises Rainbow Medical, a leading R&D and operational investment company, specializing in seeding and incubating medical device startups and developing breakthrough medical technologies, in raising $25 million from investors in China and opened a China office to promote strategic collaborations.


    May 2014:
    FBC advises China’s Bright Food Group in its acquisition of the controlling interest in Tnuva at a company value of NIS 8.6Billion – the largest Chinese investment in Israel.

    1. China’s Israel Airplane business and Joint Ventures are going strong.

      In January 2016, Israel Aerospace Industries launched a civil aviation maintenance center in China in collaboration with a Chinese company.

      Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) has formed a Joint Venture to cooperate with Lingyun (Yichang) Science and Technology Group Co., Ltd., to establish its first local Chinese maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) enterprise in the Hubei Province.

      This joint venture will be dedicated to expanding civil maintenance services and cargo conversion, as well as laying the groundwork for additional business.


      December 2015:

      IAI Cooperates with China in the Civil Aviation Sector.

      The agreements were signed in the presence of Science Minister Mr. Ofir Akunis who signed a joint research agreement with his Chinese counterpart, Mr. Shimon Peres Israel’s ninth President, former Science Minister Mr. Yaakov Perry, the Mayor of the city of Haifa Mr. Yona Yahav, and the Technion President Mr. Peretz Lavie. The Chinese counterparts included, among others, the Governor of Guangdong Province Mr. Zhu Xiaodan, the Mayor of Shantou Mr. Zheng Renhao, and Sir Li Ka- Shing, a Hong-Kong business investor, and a powerful figure in Asia.

      Mr. Gadi Cohen, head of IAI’s Civil Aviation Group, who led this initiative with the Chinese partners, said: “the cooperation agreement with the City of Shantou is part of IAI’s strategy to locate additional civil aviation growth drivers worldwide and particularly in China.

      This is another international validation of IAI’s capabilities in this area. We are confident that these and other initiatives will open new business opportunities for us and our Chinese partners.”


      Israel Aerospace Industries contracts for maintenance, overhaul and repair of Auxiliary Power Units for numerous airlines globally, including:


      IAI services over 300 APU Per Year for many aircraft types:
      B727, B737, DC9, MD80,B757, B767, A300, A310, B747, B737 NG, A319/320/321, MD90,
      L-100, C-130 L-382, BAC1-11.

      1. These are very small contracts of little significance. Typically the Chinese will observe the Israelis, copy them, replicate their service, reverse engineer their stuff, and the KICK THEM OUT. Just like they have done to us.

      2. Poup-

        You are making things up again….. You must have heard this from the humming ship service turbine generator. Go tell it to a gullible condenser. Or the loving feed pumps. 🙂

        China has over 7000 foreign NGOs and many, many more FOREIGN commercial banks and businesses…. and very few will be asked to leave.

        Rothschild will remain.

        China needs the business.

  6. “with the purpose of confronting China”

    like the author knows what the purpose IS?

    Appearances are just that

    1. Pat> “China needs the business”. I sometimes think you copy and paste without understanding what your transcribe. The companies are there to do business with and in the LARGEST MARKET IN THE WORLD. They begged China to let them in, just like Apple, Fakebook, Boogle, etc. Otherwise, Pat, China would be in their country.

      Your wide ranging and universal conclusions you draw from a smattering of information from obscure sources, does not impress me. Real world important decisions are never made that way. You seem jocular in describing or satirizing my analogy with machines, but you wouldn’t last with me. I can see you (*groan*) coming into my office and telling me a major pump has a loose casing wearing ring, which is a major overhaul. I ask you why. You offer that someone you sailed with said so. Make a big move on small information? No, more corroboration and seek alternative explanations. Later it is found that in inlet valve has partially closed, causing cavitation and suction vacuum to increase.

      So, in the real world of consequences and results, you spend your career on the Bridge, watching the blue horizon where it could be days and there will be nothing to see. That way, you can’t get into trouble, misdirect valuable resources. I wouldn’t want you in the Galley, preparing food, Pat.

      Just what was your job in the submarine service, Pat?

      1. Poup –


        You never think….. not enough to notice…

        You are suffering from a severe case of excessive condensate depression..!! The main sea water pump doesn’t love you any more…. and shifted to high speed…!! 🙂

        Your temperature has dropped too low to be at maximum efficiency…. but the increase vacuum cause more suction in the sump. Too much suction.

        You are a hopeless case. More enthalpy needed.. soon..!! 🙂

    1. @ Donald McRonald

      Yep. It’s fear porn.

      China makes too much stuff that the US military needs to function.

      Even if the US won without getting nuked, the US would completely collapse into chaos as Walmart shelves became empty within two weeks.

      Sympathizing Chinese in America could stop making Chinese food causing massive civil unrest in New York City, San Francisco, and other major cities unless pizza places could fill in the gap. 🙂

      1. The U.S. Armed Forces are down to lowest readiness and capability of a century. The military budget has been continually shrinking and the money lost due to corruption, sloth, and criminality is staggering.

        Military waste is reaching historic levels. The budget you see is not the budget that is actually spent. I spent several years working for the Federal Government as a private contractor. The sheer volume of waste, fraud, and misuse of resources is stupefying. It has to be seen to be believed.

        Obama, the Marxist revolutionary posing as an American President, has caused enormous damage to the military, which he and his fellow travelers loath. Today’s “Pansy Military” has met all the politically correct, diverse, inclusive, gender neutral, affirmative action targets. Results, the high ranking non-commissioned officers, who actually run things and direct the personnel, are leaving. The real issue in today’s 1984 world in the military is sexual harassment of STRAIGHT MEN AND WOMEN. Obama has cleared out warriors and installed ideologues and PC wigs in the highest positions.

        The military is forced to cannibalize working equipment to maintain a bare minimum
        ‘Wiped Out’: Air Force losing pilots and planes to cuts, scrounging for spare parts”

        From this article: Fox News visited two U.S. Air Force bases – including South Dakota’s Ellsworth Air Force Base located 35 miles from Mount Rushmore, where Pfrommer is stationed – to see the resource problems first-hand, following an investigation into the state of U.S. Marine Corps aviation last month.

        Many of the Airmen reported feeing “burnt out” and “exhausted” due to the current pace of operations, and limited resources to support them. During the visit to Ellsworth earlier this week, Fox News was told only about half of the 28th Bomb Wing’s fleet of bombers can fly.

        “We have only 20 aircraft assigned on station currently. Out of those 20 only nine are flyable,” Pfrommer said.

        “The [B-1] I worked on 20 years ago had 1,000 flight hours on it. Now we’re looking at some of the airplanes out here that are pushing over 10,000 flight hours,” he said.

        “In 10 years, we cut our flying program in half,” said Capt. Elizabeth Jarding, a B-1 pilot at Ellsworth who returned home in January following a six-month deployment to the Middle East for the anti-ISIS campaign.

        On an overcast day in the middle of May with temperatures hovering in the low 50’s, two B-1 bombers were supposed launch at 9:00 a.m. local time to fly nearly 1,000 miles south to White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico for a live-fire exercise.

        On this day, though, only one of the two B-1s that taxied to the runway was able to take off and make the training mission on time. The other sat near the runway for two hours. It eventually took off but was unable to participate in the live-fire exercise and diverted to a different mission, its crew missing out on valuable training at White Sands.

        A spare aircraft also was unable to get airborne.”

        Rather a sobering assessment, isn’t it? The USSA “encircling” China is laughable. Maintaining a large mechanized force halfway around the World is the same problem that Napoleon and Hitler experienced deep into the Soviet Union. Outstrip your supply lines and you will be fighting with your bare hands.

        And finally, did you know that Obama mandated the Navy use fuel from “renewable” plant sources? What a fantastic idea. It only costs 5 times more than fossil fuel, e.g. Navy Special, diesel, jet fuel.

        One should be very careful in taking opinions from those whose expertise and depth of knowledge of military affairs is unproven, undemonstrated, and who make glib, sweeping statements. So this guy, Pilger-he looks like an aging surfer- made documentaries of what? starving chillens in Afreaka, Panda Bears???? This article was suspect for me right from the gate. There is a lot more, such as dwindling numbers of submarines, and the general LOW QUALITY of military personnel overall. Who wants to be in such a clown act?

        Finally, “Since “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” was repealed, male-on-male rape has become epidemic in the U.S. Military.
        POSTED: September 19, 2014
        In late 2010, Congress used a lame-duck session — after the November elections — to overturn “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”, the de facto ban on open homosexual behavior in the US military. Even prominent Republicans caved in. US Senator Scott Brown not only voted for it but bragged about voting for it in his television commercials when he ran for re-election. In 2012, while running for president, Mitt Romney told reporters that the repeal was working fine and he would not attempt to reverse it. MassResistance and others, however, had predicted that it would lead to terrible consequences.”

        “According to the Daily Mail, a prominent newspaper in the UK, male on male rape in the United States military is reaching epidemic proportions.

        Absorb this tragic excerpt:

        When a man enters the military he is ten times likelier to be sexually abused, and in 2012 alone there were an estimated 14,200 reports of male rape.

        Read that again. A man who enlists in the United States military is ten times more likely to be on the receiving end of sexual abuse than if he remains in the civilian population. The risk of being raped jumps a staggering 1,000 percent.

        Our military has become a playground for sexual predators, a veritable smorgasbord of victims for homosexuals on the prowl.

        This week Bryan Fischer has written a devastating article revealing what the politicians in both parties are now afraid to talk about.

        Heard about the Electro-magnetic Pulse?
        “Abstract: An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) over the United States could end modern life in America overnight. Whether caused by an enemy attack (a nuclear device detonated above the atmosphere) or by a natural phenomenon (a geomagnetic storm), an EMP can cause entire regions of the country to lose electricity—permanently. Despite the EMP Commission’s recommendations in 2004 and 2008, hardly any progress has been made in protecting the country from an EMP attack and its catastrophic results. The U.S. must prepare to deal with an EMP—now.

        While the ability of an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) to inflict catastrophic damage on U.S. infrastructure has been a known fact for decades, insufficient efforts have been taken to mitigate the threat. A survey of congressional, federal, state, local, and international measures to deal with the threat reveals more complacency than action.”

        ONE, just one, thermonuclear device detonated over the center of the United States could take out the entire power grid of North America, immobilized your car, destroy all computer system, and all solid state devices. This would mean permanent darkness, and mass starvation in the TENS of MILLIONS. I’m sure you’ve read of Iran-helped by Obama-continually ramping up its missiles; same for North Korea.

        Do you really think that China does not have a retaliatory Doomsday weapon to be used? This missile can be fired FROM A SHIP OFF THE COAST OF THE JEWNITED STAKES. We have no missile defense system.

        An Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) attack on the United States, whether manmade or naturally occurring, could result in the deaths of nine out of ten Americans through starvation, disease and the collapse of modern society, warned Dr. Vincent Peter Pry, a member of the congressional EMP Commission and executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security.

        “A natural EMP catastrophe or nuclear EMP attack could blackout the national electric grid for months or years and collapse all the other critical infrastructures — communications, transportation, banking and finance, food and water — necessary to sustain modern society and the lives of 310 million Americans,” Pry this week told the House Committee on Homeland Security Committee’s Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Infrastructure Protection and Security Technologies.””

        And that Dear LDers, is why there will be NO nuclear war, or any large scale war.

        1. Your comment was held up for moderation because it used more than THREE links, not because of its excessive length. Our readers tend to skip long comments, so it’s better to keep it short.

          Your long comment has been reposted for you on the new Flan O’Brien thread.

    2. Yes, I browsed the Chinese military website and I found no evidence of such alarming stuff.

  7. “China is in dire need of fresh water?!?” Tibet provides literally half the world’s fresh water. China has engaged in genocidal practices for decades, not only killing multiple millions of Tibetans (who, if you’ve never been there, are some of the most beautiful souls in the world), not to mention imprisoning and torturing their most revered, selfless religious teachers, attempting beyond all comprehension to wipe advanced spirituality from the face of the earth. Wherever the lie that China “desperately needs fresh water” came from, you can be sure is untrustworthy, some heartless troll on the payroll of the genocidal monsters.

    1. As a Chinese and someone who previously believed in the Jewish lies just about everything, I must now reassess this principle accusation leveled at China about the “millions of Tibetans” killed by the Communist Chinese, let alone “multiple millions of Tibetans.”.

      And expose it for the LIE that it is!

      Just for reference, on December 7, 2002 (if I remember correctly the year), I stood in the business district in San Francisco (along with some Tibetans and friends) with a bullhorn in hand shouting out a prepared speech called “Never Again” that was two hours long!  I won’t bother you with the details but it was about boycotting “made in China” goods and one of the reasons I gave in my speech was this “1.2 million Tibetans” killed by the Red Chinese.

      Maybe someone like JFC or Lobro can back me up, but the population of Tibetans around the time of this alleged genocide in the 1950s was around this figure, maybe a little higher like 2 million.  I think for the Tibetans and their supporters, this “1.2 million” has become their “six million” figure.

      A mythical figure.

      A Big LIE.

      Michael Parenti has a great exposé on the Hollywood Tibetans and the Tibet Myth:

      And as for that “advanced spirituality” I suggest you read Parenti’s article in full . . .

      And why was the Dalai Lama in favor of the US/NATO destruction of Yugoslavia?

      1. David Chu:”Maybe someone like JFC or Lobro can back me up, but the population of Tibetans around the time of this alleged genocide in the 1950s was around this figure, maybe a little higher like 2 million. I think for the Tibetans and their supporters, this “1.2 million” has become their “six million” figure.”

        Hi David,

        I just started a new enterprise and site called Chinese Anti-Defamation & Defense League” and I will investigate the matter further (hopefully soon as I’m terribly busy these days) and I shall start with your suggestion to read Michael Parenti. However, my gut feeling is that whenever there’s a genocide involved, you can bet your bottom dollar that the Jews were behind it, even if they call themselves “Chinese”.

        The Dali Lama (DL) is, of course a (((CIA agent))). Henry Makow (Yahweh bless him) exposed DL quite a few years ago — in 2013 to be exact. Now Makow has upgraded him from (((CIA agent))) to Anti-Christ in 2016! Here’s the link:

      2. David, not sure that i can contribute much to the topic apart from some personal observations.

        our views of Tibet and tibetan culture is almost entirely manufactured in israel and Israel west (Hollywood).
        It used to be 100%, now it is 99% because many people have caught onto the fact that dalai lama is a sayan, has been since he was flown out of Lassa when red china invaded.
        but everything else everybody thinks is downstream juice from a pipeline originating in jew’s ass.
        accept that fact and you are on a road to sobriety.

        i have never been to tibet but spent a fair bit of time in surrounding areas, west bengal, sikkim, nepal and kumoun himalayas (outlying areas along western nepal/india/china borderlands) and got to know quite a few Tibetans.
        And they are just the same as all of us, enjoy drinking, gambling and philandering.
        there is nothing specially mystical about them, it is all hollywood trash.
        Yes, they do observe buddhist rituals meticulously, praying before every little mountain shrine or stupa, tying colored flags and rattles onto them but they do it in every buddhist country just the same, thailand, cambodia, laos, etc.
        on my first visit decades ago, i figured that the tibetan buddhists are somehow otherworldly and special, that they have some direct lineage to Buddha himself but that doesn’t make sense.
        Nepal lies between India, where Buddha was born, lived and died and Tibet and there are no buddhists there, just hindus.
        Anyway, the bulk of my time there was in sikkim, around gangtok and darjeeling, hanging out with members of a rival sect to dalai Lama, the Black Hat (Karmapa) guys, who weren’t brownnosing the west.
        They laughed at Dalai lama, jew’s catamite, the designated likable clown, just like Stephen Hawking (who is likely a fake, the original having died many years ago) who produces a stream of sound bites on demand, sweet nothings, smarmy faux-humility and will do cameo spots in Star Trek and Star Wars – again, like hawking.
        Just another mossad trick to hypnotize you while they eat your lunch.
        Tibet swarmed with Mossad since day one, leonard Cohen, as nauseating a specimen as one can imagine slithered around those areas, playing his role of spiritual nobility, Bernard Henri levy with guitar, same perpetually “suffering” hangdog expression while setting up listening posts in the highlands.

        Last time i was in the neighborhood, I heard of tibetans complaining that China wasn’t building hospitals, schools and train lines as fast in Tibet as they were in the mainland and felt unfairly left out.
        And besides, somebody explain the following to me, because i can’t figure it out:

        Why are these same jews that are jamming DIVERSITY down our throats crying like banshees about the loss of “unique” Tibetan isolation to the Chinese?

        uh, seems like Matthew got the answer in 23:14 …

      3. Excellent post, Lobro. I appoint you my new mentor in all things political, spiritual, and Tibetan! 🙂 Gosh, you certainly are a well-travelled man! So tell me, where exactly is Shangri-La? When I was younger, I thought it might lie somewhere in Kashmir on one of those lotus-strewn lakes. I’m not so sure now.

        For so long now I’ve been in search of the ideal country to settle in: remote setting, spectacular scenery, unspoilt, few tourists, cheap but with all the modern amenities such as running water, electricity, internet access, good doctors and dentists. So far, it’s been impossible for me to find such a place.

        Remote Alpine villages, yes — but the trouble is, Switzerland is one of the most expensive countries in the world.

  8. LD> I am beyond gratified and so deeply appreciative at the humanity, sensitivity, sensibility and perspicacity of your letter. It is clear that fairness and maintaining decorum, rules and excellence are hallmarks of your personality. Your letter exudes genuineness and wisdom.

    Sigh, I seek no blame or such assignments. I would simply want LD Site to continue to be the unique forum where many of diverse backgrounds provide exposition and help make sense of the mess of the World we inhabit. Those who have academic AND Real World experience (‘grounded”) are valuable. Some, including myself have had to learn-and are learning-to “roll with the punches”, and to develop thicker skin.

    Your description of Ariandatheo is fully correct, I believe. Alas, I do not know how to otherwise reach her, but hope she is checking in here and reading how much her thoughts are mixed. She is indeed unique, a lot and much in one individual. Her knowledge is deep and wide.

    With highest and warmest regards,


  9. while generally, PM’s marine engine analogies sail fathoms over my head, the one where he likens ariadna to one of the main propulsors is very apt, in my opinion.
    two of what i consider the most original and independent minded commenters happen to be women, Ariadna and kapoore, neither stuck in some ideological loop that makes reading comments like watching my grandparents honeymoon b+w super8 projections on a garage wall.

    engine down, barnacles gather …

    not to get bogged down into details, for years i had the high regard for israel Shamir and i still consider him a fine, well-intentioned gent, tho occasionally mistaken or misled and ariadna pointed out a perfectly valid pitfall in his thinking, albeit using pungent imagery … which was aimed at the matter at hand, not ad hominem.
    notice the difference.

    so yes, Ariadna, if you catch this post, know that you are missed.

  10. Various commentators have suggested “Any nuclear war is unthinkable. It would destroy the participants, and would also damage bystanders. ”

    Nuclear war may be unthinkable for rational people but that does not mean it will not occur:

    1.Mistakes and technical failures.

    Reference:True story “The Man Who Saved the World (2014)”

    Such mistakes have occurred multiple times. Nowadays, missiles with millimetre precision and hyper-sonic speed mean that for most counties the only viable defence is a “launch all given the slightest trigger” policy. Technically competent countries such as Russia may devise dead-hand mechanisms. In the case of Russia this is a communications centre 2 miles (?) below ground. Given indications of nuclear destruction of Russia, it will launch rockets to Russia’s borders that communicate with hidden mobile nuclear weapons, that will destroy Russia’s presumed enemies.

    2. Insane Policies
    Concurrently with 1., the US has elaborated first use policies and small tactical nukes that it believes will not trigger full scale nuclear war.

    3. Idiotic, narcissistic and ageing leaders.
    Idiotic, narcissistic and ageing leaders with fingers on the button, especially female ones with simulated testosterone. A perfect example would Killary Clinton. Having little to lose because of sickness and age, going down in history as a more macho than macho woman may be appealing to her.

    4.Religiously insane leaders with bunkers.
    Take your pick from various religions and “isms”. Such leaders may have purchased the wherewithal from North Korea or parts of the former Soviet Union.

    “It would destroy the participants, and would also damage bystanders. ”
    Nuclear armaments are sufficient to destroy the whole Earth several thousand times over. There will be no bystanders. One US Minuteman, of which there are 500 on a hair trigger, each have the destructive force of 60% of all bombs dropped during the 6 years of the second world war (including the nuclear). Nuclear Winter will kill off the rest of life on Earth except for cockroaches.

    In summary, the encirclement of China and Russia by the U.S. is the most insane action in the history of mankind. Even if the only intention is more arms sales, as some believe, it is still insane due to the risk of technical errors.

  11. Darkmoon site has lost (temporarily?) two good (by alt-media standards) posters. Why? Is it really a result of lack of thick-skin, or something else? Lasha may have developed thick-skin (and getting thicker by the moment), and perhaps that has been beneficial for her, but to advise others to do the same is not necessarily good advice. Is it not better to find a root cause rather than hoping to change the response by the reasonably intelligent? Asking them to be tolerant (with thickened-skin) actually allows for more bad behaviour. One’s tolerance of untoward behaviour is unacceptable and FORGIVENESS IS DIVINE. If a poster is banned, so be it. Stick with your decision and go forward for the sake of all.

    1. New Song>Please help me make some sense out of your post. First is you use of “alt-media standards”. This signifies a position on the political spectrum. What does this have to do with anything resembling the quality of one’s thought, or the their position propounded? You must be a some sort of genius that can sum up what a person’s political philosophy is by a limited number of posts. Pardon me, but I see this as only weak-minded.

      Your characterization of LD is based on what? Evidence, continuity of communication? Have you read her essays posted on other sites? If so, please support your description of her as thick-skinned? I wait with methane to be expelled.

      I give voice to what most if not all are thinking here: you are “other-worldly” and so logic and syllogism don’t comport. They are for people of limited faculties, pedestrians who move along on terra firma, while exalted beans like you fly above, thinking it below you to write and think coherently.

  12. Israel…Israel…Israel…Israel…

    Why was it created? What is the end game?

    Keep that as the center from which all our discouse should be directed

  13. When Lasha says she expects everyone to have thick-skin, she ain’t talking figuratively, she means that literally, Lasha being a reptilian alligator, she thinks everyone is a shape shifting alligator like she is. Alligators are hatched with very thick skins, that’s why Lasha is so tough and NOT thin-skinned in the least bit. Who has the energy and who has what it takes to wrestle an alligator every day? I don’t. I like to think I’m thick-skinned but NOT being a reptilian I’ll never be as thick-skinned as an alligator, 🙂 .

  14. More proof came out just TODAY that there will be NO WAR with China.

    The US controls China already. Mao made the deal decades ago, and his successors have followed.

    The US continues to treat China as a ‘2nd tier’ country and ‘surrogate’ to the US through its bosses’ WTO.

    China begged to be a member of London’s Pharisee-Jew Banker controlled WTO and is NOW crying its eyes out about the US treatment.

    China’s screams fall on deaf ears. 🙂

    China urges U.S. to abide by WTO anti-dumping agreement

    Friday, December 2, 2016 6:24 AM

    China on Friday urged the United States to abandon a surrogate country approach it uses to calculate anti-dumping measures against Chinese exports, as a related clause in China’s World Trade Organization (WTO) deal is set to expire.

    When China joined the WTO in 2001, it agreed to let WTO members treat it as a non-market economy when assessing dumping duties for 15 years. That gave trade partners the advantage of using a third country’s prices to gauge whether China was selling its goods below market value.

    But that clause is due to expire on Dec. 11, and China has demanded that countries abide by the agreement.

    U.S. Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker said in November the time was “not ripe” for the United States to change the way it evaluates whether China has achieved market economy status, and there was no international trade rules requiring changes in the way U.S. anti-dumping duties are calculated.

    1. Pat> The Pritzker Family of Chicago, as corrupt, vile, crony capitalists, and criminal as an uber wealthy Jewish family gets, made Barack Obama. These vipers nurtured and directed the Communist Party negroes of Chicago for decades, controlling them like George Soros controls NAACP-CP (Communist Party). It was this group of Negroes from whence that traitorous half Iranian mulatto, Valerie Jarret came from and the Soviet controlled father of Badcrack Obomba, Frank Marshall Davis was based. FMD was little Barry’s mentor, and probably molested him at a tender age.

      Penny said-which disappeared instantly down the memory hole-that Cuba under Fidel should be very proud it had socialized medicine.

      Anyway, I like your post above. Informative

  15. US dollars are wanted by China… NO WAR coming.

    Chinese people have been “allowed” since January to buy USD50,000 of foreign currencies… it has been mostly US Dollars.

    Middle class and wealthy Chinese have been converting money into foreign currencies to protect themselves from the devaluation of China’s currency. That puts even MORE downward pressure on the yuan.

    That will increase when Federal Reserve increases interest rates and pushes the US Dollar appreciation.

    Chinese like US Dollars…. not wars. 🙂

  16. DEBT must be really good… since China has so much of it…. They want to keep it under a mattress… hidden. 🙂

    Pharisee-Jew Bankers’ “Investment receivable” = Loan

    China’s Banks Are Hiding More Than $2 Trillion in Loans

    Accounting sleight of hand (words) means banks don’t have to set aside capital for potential losses, sowing fears of a crisis; new apartments with no residents.

    Dec. 7, 2016
    In 2014, the Chinese city of Haimen on the mouth of the Yangtze River set out to build a large apartment complex and turned to Bank of Nanjing Co. for about $29 million in financing.

    The bank was happy to oblige but it didn’t call the money a loan, according to people familiar with the matter. It was added to Bank of Nanjing’s balance sheet as an “investment receivable,” a loosely regulated category of assets.!/wsj-on-chinas-banks-are-hiding-more-than-2-trillion-in-loans-20161208


    From May 16, 2016:

    China’s growing debt levels have continued to raise doubts about the country’s financial management after warnings that shadowy lending practices are putting banks and investors at risk.

    The government has waged a publicity campaign to calm financial concerns since March, when two international bond rating agencies lowered outlooks for China to “negative” from “stable,” citing slow reforms and faster loan growth.

    The findings by Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services (S&P’s) and Moody’s Investors Service were followed by a warning from Fitch Ratings in April that debt levels had become “a mounting source of systemic vulnerability.”

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