CONFIRMED: US backs down as Russia targets US aircraft in Syria

As Russia targets US aircraft west of the Euphrates, US redeploys aircraft elsewhere allowing Syrian army to capture strategic town of Rusafa.

Sourced from theduran.com

RUSSIA : US PLANES IN SYRIA ARE NOW ‘TARGETS’

Back in April, in the immediate aftermath of the US cruise missile attack on Syria’s Al-Shayrat air base, Russia retaliated by switching off the ‘de-confliction’ hotline between the US and Russian militaries in Syria, which enables these militaries to avoid accidental clashes with each other.

The immediate response to this Russian switching off of the ‘de-confliction’ hotline was a dramatic reduction in US air operations in Syria, as the US air force was forced to scale down its air operations rather than risk a confrontation with the powerful air defence system the Russians have established in Syria.

That this was the case was confirmed by an article in The New York Times dated 8th April 2017, which said the following:

The American-led task force that is battling the Islamic State has sharply reduced airstrikes against the militants in Syria as commanders assess whether Syrian government forces or their Russian allies plan to respond to the United States’ cruise missile strike on a Syrian airfield this past week, American officials said.

So far, the Russian military does not appear to have taken any threatening actions, such as directing its battlefield radar or air defense systems to confront the Americans, or carrying out aggressive actions in the skies, United States officials said.

But officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal planning said the commanders needed time to determine whether the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, and the Russian military would treat the American cruise missile strike as a one-time operation that they would not respond to militarily. As a precaution, the Pentagon is flying patrols in Syrian skies with F-22 jets, the Air Force’s most advanced air-to-air fighter……

Some American and other Western counterterrorism officials have said the missile strike could………make the fight against the Islamic State in Syria more difficult.

“It seems clear that the strikes will complicate our efforts to pursue our counter-ISIS campaign in Syria,” said Matthew Olsen, a former director of the National Counterterrorism Center. “In particular, the ability to carry out U.S. airstrikes in Syria in support of the coalition against ISIS requires some degree of cooperation with Russia, which is now in serious jeopardy.”

Other security experts said that much depended on the Trump administration’s next steps, and how the Assad government and its Russian patrons responded.

“U.S. aircraft operating over Al-Tabqah are already ostensibly in range of the Russian S-400 system at the Humaymin Air Base, and we might see Russia deploy more air defense assets to Syria,” Jeremy Binnie, the Middle East editor of Jane’s Defense Weekly, said in an email. “But if the U.S. makes no moves to threaten Assad’s position, then they may well accept the punishment and move on.”

William McCants, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the author of “The ISIS Apocalypse,” offered a similar assessment.

The words I have highlighted in this article from 8th April 2017 make clear the difference with the situation today.

After weeks of frantic diplomatic activity the US finally managed to persuade the Russians a few weeks ago to switch the ‘de-confliction’ hotline back on.  In response to yesterday’s US shooting down of the SU-22 the Russians have however now once again switched it off.

However this time the Russians have not only once more switched off the ‘de-confliction’ hotline.  They have also done what they did not do in April by saying that this time they will take “threatening action by directing their battlefield radar or air defense systems to confront the Americans”.

That this is so is explicitly confirmed in the statement made public yesterday by the Russian Defence Ministry:

As of June 19 this year, the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation has ended its interaction with the US side under a memorandum for preventing incidents and providing for safe flights during operations in Syria and demands that the US command carry out a careful investigation and report about its results and the measures taken.

The shooting down of a Syrian Air Force jet in Syria’s airspace is a cynical violation of Syria’s sovereignty. The US’ repeated combat operations under the guise of ‘combating terrorism’ against the legitimate armed forces of a UN member-state are a flagrant violation of international law, in addition to being actual military aggression against the Syrian Arab Republic,” the ministry said.

Russia will regard any flights within the area of its air force group’s operation in Syria as legitimate targets, the ministry stressed.

Any aircraft, including planes and drones of the international coalition, detected in the operation areas west of the Euphrates River by the Russian air forces will be followed by Russian ground-based air defense and air defense aircraft as air targets.

…….the coalition command did not use the existing communication line between the air commands of Al Udeid Air Base (Qatar) and Khmeimim Air Base to prevent incidents in Syria’s airspace.  We consider the actions of the US command as a deliberate default on their obligations under the memorandum on on preventing incidents and providing for safe flights during operations in Syria signed on October 20, 2015.

In other words, the Russian response to the shooting down of the Syrian SU-22 fighter near Taqbah has been much stronger than was the Russian response to the US cruise missile attack on Syria’s Al-Shayrat air base.

This is so even though the attack on Al-Shayrat air base attracted massive international media attention, whilst the US shooting down of the SU-22 has attracted very little.

This time however the Russians have announced that they will do precisely the thing which they did not do in April following the US attack on Al-Shayrat air base – and which the New York Times says is very threatening – which is track US aircraft, treating them as targets if they fly west of the Euphrates.

Why have the Russians taken this extraordinary step?

The US claims yesterday justifying the shooting down of the SU-22 aircraft have unravelled.  Even the strongly anti-Assad British based Syrian Observatory of Human Rights has confirmed that the SU-22 was not bombing Kurdish forces as the US claims but was bombing ISIS fighters as the Syrians say.

A regime warplane was targeted and dropped in the skies of the al-Resafa area […] the warplane was shot down over Al-Resafa area of which the regime forces have reached to its frontiers today, and sources suggested to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights that warplanes of the International Coalition targeted it during its flight in close proximity to the airspace of the International Coalition’s warplanes, which caused its debris to fall over Resafa city amid an unknown fate of its pilot, the sources confirmed that the warplane did not target the Syria Democratic Forces in their controlled areas located at the contact line with regime forces’ controlled areas in the western countryside of Al-Tabaqa to the road of Al-Raqqah – Resafa.

Another thing that may have provoked the Russians is that the US has tried to pass off the downing of the SU-22 as caused by Syrian encroachment of an agreed ‘de-confliction area’.

Ja’Din sits approximately two kilometers north of an established East-West SDF-Syrian Regime de-confliction area.

This uses a term – ‘de-confliction area’ – used to describe certain regions of Syria covered by an international agreement reached by Russia, Iran and Turkey in May.

The area where the SU-22 was shot down is not within any of these regions.  Al-Jazeera has provided details of where these four ‘de-confliction areas’, and none of them is close to the territory where the SU-22 was shot down

Zone 1 : Idlib province, as well as northeastern areas of Latakia province, western areas of Aleppo province and northern areas of Hama province. There are more than one million civilians in this zone and its rebel factions are dominated by an al-Qaeda -linked alliance.

– Zone 2: The Rastan and Talbiseh enclave in northern Homs province. There are approximately 180,000 civilians in this zone and its network of rebel groups includes al-Qaeda-linked fighters.

– Zone 3 : Eastern Ghouta in the northern Damascus countryside. Controlled by Jaish al-Islam, a powerful rebel faction that is participating in the Astana talks. It is home to about 690,000 civilians. This zone does not include the adjacent, government-besieged area of Qaboun.

– Zone 4 : The rebel-controlled south along the border with Jordan that includes parts of Deraa and Quneitra provinces. Up to 800,000 civilians live there.

Whilst it is possible that the term “established East-West SDF-Syrian Regime de-confliction area” refers to a term used in some informal agreement between the US and Russia, it seems more likely that the US is trying to establish unilaterally ‘no-go’ areas for the Syrian army, and is using the term ‘de-escalation areas’ to conceal the fact.

If so the Russians will want to put a stop to this practice and this may partly explain the strength of the Russian reaction.

However the single most important reason for the strong Russian reaction is what caused the US to shoot down the SU-22 down in the first place.

As the report from the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights shows, the real reason the SU-22 was shot down was because it was supporting a Syrian army offensive to capture the strategically important town of Rusafa from ISIS.

Rusafa lies south east of Tabqah – the main base of the US backed Kurdish militia in this area – and within striking distance of the main highway between Raqqa and Deir Ezzor, the eastern desert city currently besieged by ISIS.

By capturing Rusafa the Syrian army is now in a position to intercept columns of ISIS fighters who might try to flee Raqqa for Deir Ezzor.

The Syrians and the Russians have in recent weeks complained that the US and the Kurds have been doing nothing to prevent ISIS fighters fleeing Raqqa for Deir Ezzor, and in recent days there have even been reports of movements by Kurdish militia to try to block the Syrian army’s offensive to relieve Deir Ezzor.

The shooting down of the Syrian SU-22 fighter appears to have been intended as a warning to stop the Syrian army from capturing Rusafa, so as to block the Syrian army’s attempt to relieve the pressure on Deir Ezzor.

The Russian warning to the US looks in turn to have been intended to make clear to the US that this sort of interference in the Syrian army’s operations to relieve Deir Ezzor is unacceptable and will not be tolerated.

The US has heeded the Russian warning.  The various statements made by the US and by various US officials today, though full of the usual bluster about the US defending itself and its allies anywhere and everywhere, in fact clearly signal that the US is backing off.

The key words – as my colleague Adam Garrie has said – are those of Colonel Ryan Dillon, chief U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad.

As a result of recent encounters involving pro-Syrian regime and Russian forces, we have taken prudent measures to reposition aircraft over Syria so as to continue targeting ISIS forces while ensuring the safety of our aircrews given known threats in the battle space.

“Prudent measures to reposition aircraft over Syria to ensure the safety of aircrews given known threats in the battle space” is code for withdrawal of aircraft from air space where they are at risk of being shot down.

That is what is taking place.  Note that Colonel Dillon is careful not to say where the “known threats in the battle space” that are forcing the redeployment of the aircraft are coming from.

The US has no choice.  If the Russian decision to switch off the ‘de-confliction’ hotline in April was enough to force the US to reduce sharply its air activity in Syria, the Russian decision to switch off the ‘de-confliction’ hotline and to threaten to treat as aerial targets US aircraft flying west of the Euphrates is a threat the US cannot afford to disregard.

Not surprisingly, shortly before the Russian warning was made public, but probably after it was communicated to the US, the Syrian army captured Rusafa with no further hindrance from the US.  Latest reports speak of Syrian army reinforcements flooding into the area.

In the meantime the US is frantically signalling to the Russians its urgent wish to de-escalate the situation.  Note for example the markedly conciliatory language of White House spokesman Sean Spicer, and how he repeatedly passed up opportunities to utter words of defiance against Russia or to threaten the Russians with counter-measures during the latest White House press briefing

Q    Thanks, Sean.  How are you responding to this Russian threat to shoot down American planes over Syria?

SPICER:  Well, obviously, we’re going to do what we can to protect our interests.  And this is something that we’re going to continue to work with — keep the lines of communication open.   And ISIS represents a threat to all nations, and so we’ve got to do what we can to work with partners.  And we’re going to continue to keep an open mind of communication with the Russians.

Q    So will the U.S. change its flight patterns or behavior in Syria?

SPICER:  I’m going to refer — I mean, I think this is a question more for DOD to answer.  But I think, obviously, it’s important and crucial that we keep lines of communication open to de-conflict potential issues.

Q    Thanks, Sean.  Following up on that — and a second one for you, as well — what would the U.S. government’s response be?  Is the White House going to issue a warning to the Russian government if they were to follow through on this threat?  It seems that your statement — would that be a provocation or something worse, potentially?

SPICER:  I mean, I think that the escalation of hostilities among the many factions that are operating in this region doesn’t help anybody.  And the Syrian regime and others in the regime need to understand that we will retain the right of self-defense, of coalition forces aligned against ISIS.

Ultimately the situation in Syria is the same as it has been since the US-Russian confrontation in October.

The fact that the Russians have installed a powerful air defence system in Syria incorporating advanced S-400 and S-300VM Antey 2500 missiles means that the US is unable to confront the Russians directly unless it is prepared to risk possibly very serious casualties.

That is an option neither the US military nor the civilian officials of the Obama and Trump administrations are prepared to face.  This is because they know the extraordinary dangers such a clash with the armed forces of a nuclear superpower would risk.  They also know US public opinion is strongly opposed to the US becoming drawn into such a clash.

What that means is that though the Russians must act carefully so as not to provoke the US into an unnecessary confrontation which would serve no-one’s interests, ultimately it is the Russians who in Syria have the whip hand.

The chess game in Syria is far from over.  The game of move and counter-move continues.  With the capture of Rusafa the Syrians and the Russians have however just won another important piece.  In the meantime Russia’s warning limits the range of US moves across the Syrian chessboard.

The net result of all these recent moves is that end of the Syrian war may have drawn a little closer.

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28 thoughts on “CONFIRMED: US backs down as Russia targets US aircraft in Syria

  1. So the US is not entirely mad after all, not even “for the sake of Zion”. That is good news.

  2. Why don’t we take stock of the ledger after all the theatrical screaming has died down a bit, run off the pluses and minuses and read the score line.

    Minus: one ancient SU-22 (or something) crashed, no human victims.

    Plus: the USAF grounded all the way west of euphrates, the age old jew-river as per Yahweh’s deuteronomy promise, part of Ye Olde Eretz.

    Hm, what say you?
    Good for the Jews, Jew real happy that the twin shabbos, Putin+Trump are performing as directed by the Protocols Central, right?

    1. i would urge those who care about such things to take an overall stock of the situation and deliver their own assessment:

      On the whole, has 2017 been a good year for the Jew so far or not?

      1. Lobro –

        You wrote:
        “On the whole, has 2017 been a good year for the Jew so far or not?”

        Yes.!!! It has been one of the best. They have their ‘Trump-Card’ … AND….

        The Rothschilds have stopped all Congressional investigations into the crimes of former administration.
        Here’s how:

        Jason Chaffetz Is Being Forced Out Of Politics by ROTHSCHILDS..!! He RESIGNED..!!

        He was too good at his job. He wanted indictments and convictions… of criminals in government.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ppsjEdX8O4

        …….

        ”US Legislative branch has NO power..!!”

        “NO changes.”
        “Nobody was fired.”
        “Nobody was prosecuted.”

        Republican – CHAIRMAN – Congressman Chaffetz Says Trump Is No Better Than Obama!
        Jun 18, 2017

        https://youtu.be/uQMxIfiWtUI?t=198

        Congressman Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) totally rocked the House Oversight Committee..!!

        He has been so good [– TOO GOOD!! –] at his job and has so clearly appeared to be enjoying himself. This is why many were shocked when he announced his resignation on May 17th, effective on June 30th.

        We learn of Chaffetz’ frustrations in not being able to pry requested documents from the Department of Justice and the State Department and how, if anything, it’s…
        getting – even tighter – under Trump.

      2. “i would urge those who care about such things to take an overall stock of the situation and deliver their own assessment:

        On the whole, has 2017 been a good year for the Jew so far or not?”

        Allow me to offer my assessment by way of analogy: “Today, luckily, the hall monitor unexpectedly appeared and the bully only got half of my lunch money. And the school lunch today was hotdogs, and I don’t like hotdogs anyway. (So how do you like them apples, bully?)

        Unfortunately however, the bully is still there and he never seems to give up. Now that the hall monitor will be watching the area by the cafeteria, the bully, calculating as he always is, will no doubt try to accost his victims in a different area. So while the bully was temporarily foiled, we still have to dread going to school every day, because we don’t know where the bully will pop up next…”

  3. Yet Israeli jets have free reign to bomb at will in Syria, how is that?

    It’s considered bad form to attack the Boss.

    Maybe the CIA will start using Russian-speaking jihadists or will they stick with the tried and trueAllahu Akbar™ FF specials?

    1. “Yet Israeli jets have free reign to bomb at will in Syria, how is that?”

      Israel enjoys extensive intelligence gathering throughout the Middle-East. Whenever it receives credible intelligence of a weapons shipment coming from Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon, Israel will take out that shipment of weapons before it can reach its destination. Usually, the ‘taking out’ happens in Syria. It is preemptive as Hezbollah would certainly use the weapons against Israel. Israel is not attacking the Syrian govt, kind of, not directly. A few months ago Israel hit a Syrian airfield, obviously not a weapon’s cache. I will comment more on that below.

      Courtesy of Zerohedge quoting of the June 19th Wall Street Journal article that outs Israel as paying cash to support the salaries and weapons purchases of the Syrian rebels and ISIS in Syria:

      “Courtesy of the WSJ, here is a chronology of Israeli involvement in the Syrian proxy war:

      • 2011:Syrian uprising against Iran-backed President Bashar al-Assad begins.
      • 2012: Syrian rebel group the Yarmouk Martyrs Brigade, which has a presence in the divided Golan Heights near Israel’s border, forms and later declares allegiance to Islamic State. It then joins with other groups to form the Khalid ibn al-Walid Army, an offshoot of Islamic State.
      • 2013: Israel acknowledges it is treating Syrians wounded in the war in hospitals near the border. Secretly, the military begins to build a relationship with rebel commanders on the Syrian side of the Golan and starts sending aid.
      • January 2015: An alleged Israeli airstrike kills Hezbollah militants and a general in Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps near Quneitra province in the Golan Heights. Israel later says the militants were planning to attack Israelis.
      • June 2015: Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Ya’alon says Israel is helping Syrian rebels with medical treatment in return for assurances they won’t attack the Druse—a religious minority group that straddles the Israeli and Syrian sides of the Golan.
      • September 2015: Russia enters the war on the side of the Assad regime, tipping the balance of power in favor of the Iran-backed president.
      • December 2015: Lebanese Hezbollah militant Samir Kuntar dies in an alleged Israeli airstrike in Damascus suburb. Israeli officials later say he was planning attacks against Israel from the Syrian side of the Golan.
      • 2016: Israel secretly sets up an army unit and budget to manage relationship with rebels and civilians on the Golan Heights, say people familiar with the policy.
      • November 2016: An Israeli airstrike kills four Khalid ibn al-Walid militants in Syrian Golan after Israeli soldiers come under fire.
      • March 2017: Israeli warplanes carry out airstrikes inside Syria, drawing fire from antiaircraft missiles in the most intense military exchange between the two countries since the start of the Syrian conflict.
      • June 2017: Syrian rebels say they have been receiving cash from Israel for the past four years that they use to help pay salaries of fighters and buy ammunition and weapons.”

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-19/israel-has-been-secretly-funding-syrian-rebels-years

      Since that March 2017 Israeli strike on the airfield inside of Syria, Assad has asked for, and Putin has agreed, Russia will provide protection from Israeli airstrikes and missile strikes. Assad has put Israel on notice anymore provocation will be met with a military response. I have not read anything about Israel doing another strike inside Syria since. Technically, Israel and Syria are still at war.

  4. Last night Tucker Carlson’s show on FOX was pre-empted by a Trump campaign-style rally in Iowa. I could only bear watching the first fifteen minutes or so, but our feckless President started out by saying he is “putting America first” and, of course, making it great again. The audience was lapping it up. I doubt if he even touched on the dire US created disaster looming in Syria. The whole spectacle made me sick.

  5. The U.S. government is under the control of Zionist Israel and the dual citizens and America is going to be destroyed by these satan worshiping Zionists through war and debt creation by the Zionist controlled fed.

  6. Maybe team Chumpster fraudster has finally run out of “plausible” excuses for its crimes? Maybe Russia’s patience is finally at an end? I hope so.

    Anyway, I just tried to post the following comment on a Russia Insider youtube video, but as usual I am not allowed to make original comments on youtube.

    ####################################

    You cannot take ANYTHING that Jews do (usually by way of their political puppets) at face value.

    For example, Obama’s war crimes in Syria in the fall of 2016 were most likely a deliberate provocation to ramp up tensions with Russia. Why? To help put liar-and-demon-possessed-Jew-puppet-warmonger-Trump in the White House.

    As the U.S. election loomed large, Obama had the whole world on edge with his provocations against Russia in Syria (and elsewhere). And the Chumpster fraudster, with his seemingly-childishly-innocent but calculatingly disingenuous rhetoric e.g. “Gee, why can’t we all just get along with Russia?” (rather than have a nuclear war) was a big hit with the electorate, as planned.

    Many of us wondered at the time why, with only a few months left in his term, Obama would make such provocations. And the “official story” from the beast’s “mouth, as the mouth of a lion”, was that “Obama was proactively trying to sabotage Trump’s foreign policy”. In retrospect, I call BS on that explanation; rather, Obama’s provocations were just another psyop against the non-Jewish balance of humanity, IMO.

    Yes, the “deep state” wanted Chumpster fraudster in the White House. Let’s face it, Hillary Clinton, evil though she may be, is politically “all used up.” The Jews need fresh “plausibility” to move their Satanic agenda forward, not a politically over-the-hill witch.

    The sheeple of course wanted “change”; that is, they wanted to save their country from the destructive machinations of the “deep state”, (which were more obvious than ever under Obama), whereas the “deep state” wanted to save its Satanic agenda from the awakening sheeple.

    So then what happens? Along comes deus ex machina Donald John Trump, TO SAVE THE DAY…but unfortunately not for the desperate electorate but for the desperate “deep state”, i.e. for the Jews and their agenda.

    In retrospect, it seems clear that Trump’s whole campaign was a “bait and switch” scam from the beginning. With the fraudulent campaign being followed up with a post-election psyop to keep everyone off balance while Trump reneged on everything of importance.

    Under cover of the Russian-collusion scam, “the deep state is out to ‘get’ Trump” scam, the Flynn and Comey affairs, the general confusion and turbulence of a novice trying to get everything squared away, etc., Chumpster fraudster scrambled to advance the stalled Jewish agenda, while the whole world looked on in amazement, wondering things like, “Who’s actually in charge, etc.?”

    But we don’t have to wonder anymore because it’s now plain to see that the Chumpster fraudster presidency is just another Jewish scam.

    1. Zionists have controlled America for over 100 years with their IRS and their FED and are a parasitic infection that is going to destroy America. All the wars that America has been in overseas have been Zionist wars.

      1. The Jews have controlled the U.S. for a long time, yes, but if a compelling argument can be made that Trump was actually the Jews’ choice in the 2016 election, that would be very helpful, IMO.

  7. chafetz peculiar fellow
    jew converted to mormon
    havent met too many mormons i trust
    havent met too many jew to trust
    combine in one republican
    ???

  8. What will happen if US planes fly where they are warned away??

    No one REALLY knows what another person thinks or will do.

    This may help define Putin somewhat.

    As DM acknowledged, this article was originally written by Alexander Mercouris, Editor-in-Chief at The Duran. So, I decided to read some of his other articles.

    I’m glad I did. He is an exceptional writer. And I found where ‘Alex’ gave an in depth and compelling critique of Oliver Stone’s interviews with Putin, which aired on Showtime, one of the popular US TV Movie Channels.

    25 things revealed about Vladimir Putin by Oliver Stone in the Putin Interviews

    Alexander Mercouris
    June 18, 2017

    Also… you can see an AWESOME PIC of Putin and Stone:
    http://theduran.com/25-things-revealed-about-vladimir-putin-by-oliver-stone-in-the-putin-interviews/

    (some very interesting excerpts)

    (8) Putin takes great pride in Russia’s sovereignty and independence – by which he of course means its independence from the US.  He contrasts this with the way the US’s ‘allies’ have in effect made themselves ‘vassals’.  He points out that what this actually means is that the US has no real ‘allies’ at all.
    Though the Putin Interviews never touch on relations with China, it is almost certainly a contrast with Russia’s alliance with China that Putin is making.  Pointedly, he says that ‘true’ allies never spy on each other, as the US spies on its ‘allies’ in Europe.
    That incidentally provides confirmation that Russia and China do not spy on each other.
    Stone is astonished at the number of ministers and officials who report to Putin on any particular day – and that the way the top levels of the Russian government work, far from being personalised and informal as the West imagines, are in reality highly structured.

    (12) One of the central stories of the Putin mythology – believed in even by many of Putin’s admirers as well as his detractors – is that shortly after he became President he called all the oligarchs together to a meeting and told them that they would be allowed to retain their properties and businesses provided they did not interfere in politics.
    Putin alludes to this meeting but gives a different account of what he said at it.  He claims that he told the oligarchs that they would be allowed to retain their properties and businesses, even if they obtained them illegally, provided that in future they obeyed the law.
    I have no doubt that this is what really happened at the meeting, and that the story of Putin striking a bargain with the oligarchs in which he in effect coerced their loyalty by threatening to take their property if they were disloyal to him is false.

    (16) Despite the extraordinary tension in international relations, Putin overall comes across very much an optimist.  He clearly believes that the ‘correlation of world forces’ is moving in Russia’s favour, and he repeatedly accuses Western leaders of short term thinking and of failing to see the direction of events clearly.  Though Stone never asks him to enlarge on this, it is clear that the reason for Putin’s optimism is the continued decline of US and Western power, the corresponding growth of Russia’s power, and above all the rise of a new centre of power in China.
    Quite clearly, though he believes Russia is going through a difficult period at the moment, in the not so long term Putin expects the international situation to stabilise on Russia’s terms, and foresees a world in 20-30 years which is radically different from the world as it exists today.

    (18) Putin’s father appears to have been a much more important person in Putin’s life than had been previously realised.  Putin has a picture of him in naval uniform in his Kremlin office and is clearly proud of his father’s record in the Second World War when his father fought in an NKVD special forces unit on the Leningrad front.
    Putin’s father is known to have been a staunch Communist who contrary to myth rose to a fairly senior position in the Leningrad Communist Party.   Though Putin attributes his decision to join the KGB to the influence of films like Seventeen Moments of Spring, I cannot help but wonder whether his father may have played a role in it.
    The Putin Interviews by contrast have nothing to say about Putin’s grandfather, in some ways an even more interesting person than Putin’s father, who at the time of the 1917 Revolution was a chef in St. Petersburg’s Astoria Hotel, and who subsequently worked as a chef for both Lenin and Stalin.  He lived into the 1960s, and Putin is known to have known him.

      1. Wiggins
        If true it’s excellent news! BTW If anyone wants to download the entire Putin interviews in book form go to ebook3000.com and type in “The Putin Interviews” in the search. Use Longfiles to download. I’m nearly finished and it’s a very insightful read, much better than the videos!

      2. If it’s confirmed that team Orange Clown lost an expensive drone due to a Russian surface to air missile, that would be great news.

      3. @ Wiggins & All

        Believe nothing that Hal Turner says/writes. He is a proven FBI asset whose job has been to attract “radicals” for the FBI to pounce upon. If he will work with the FBI in that respect, he will work with any slimy organization up to no good. When Turner was outed 5 or so years ago, he even confessed, he dropped off the radar. Now he’s back. Misinformation should be easy for him.

      4. Ung –

        You are correct about Hal. Good going.!!

        Just as you… I have known that for years. People have been wrongfully convicted because of his treacherous lies. Real patriots have suffered because of him. He is a snake.

        Had I been the first to claim that, it might have started a confusing argument.

        I am glad you did it…!! 🙂

      5. Has anyone come across any other site confirming this?

        Some youtube channels are saying the same thing, but they are apparently referencing sources in Russia and Poland, none of which are in English.

    1. There are too many signals that a transition is coming to Syria.

      So the transitional government can be implemented without shaming Putin or Assad…

      Is there a Syrian Medvedev?

      April 16, 2017

      http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/zh/originals/2017/04/assad-tillerson-hezbollah-sadr-isis-pmu.html

      Some have anticipated that there would likely be little movement in the Russian position on Syria, noting that “Putin has given top priority to re-establishing Russia as a regional power in the Middle East. His backing of the Syrian government boosted his reputation as a credible partner, and he will be loath to lose face. 

      Putin has absorbed the lessons of 2011, when his government acquiesced in a UN resolution authorizing military intervention in Libya, which led to Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi’s overthrow.”

      Suchkov adds, “So far, the US vision has been to get Russia on board by offering Moscow an opportunity to ‘play a constructive role in the humanitarian and political catastrophe in the Middle East.’ That approach misses a critical point in Russian political psychology: The Kremlin believes it has already stepped up as a constructive player to counter the increasingly destructive forces unleashed by the United States. This belief — no matter how uncomfortably it sits with anyone — is not entirely groundless. Many players in the region perceive Russia in this capacity, even if it’s just for their own political reasons.”

  9. Lobro,
    Google “Sistema Russian martial art. ” Watch a few videos. It will give you insight into the mind of the Russian warrior as well as military strategy.

    1. thanks, donaldo … i like that line of Sun-tsu: “the height of strategy is to attack your opponent’s strategy”.

  10. Will they continue to back down? Not likely. The U.K. and U.S. are going to be killed.

    http://JAHTruth.net/horse.htm

    I cannot take credit for the unraveling of an End-time revelation in Revelation, but I can share it with those who are interested. The Illuminati via their CIA-sponsored terrorists groups (used to give a false legitimacy to war) are committed to destroying four nations (referred to as 4 angels in Revelation) along the river Euphrates. The nations are Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Eliminating those 4 ‘angels’, the NWO can then precede with plans to build oil and gas pipelines through Syria, thereby eliminating their dependence on the Strait of Hormuz. Iran is in grave danger of being their next target to accomplish the goal.

    Rev. 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

    9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound (Please see the Book of Enoch in the “King of kings’ Bible”) in the great River Euphrates.

    9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for The Hour, and The Day, (the month, and the year) for to slay the third part of men. (2,000,000,000).

    9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand (200,000,000): and I HEARD the number of them.

    “Water” (below) refers to people/ nations (particularly the four nations referred to above).

    The “sixth” Woe (or time period):

    Rev. 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great River Euphrates; and the “water” (Rev. 17:15) thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the East (eastern block – the U.S.S.R. and China re-united) might be prepared.

    All credit and gratitude goes to JAH for unraveling Biblical mysteries. [JAHTruth.net]

  11. I see MOST of these stories as COVER for Trump’s business ventures IN and WITH Russia.

    In 2008 his son Donald Trump Jr. said that Russia was an important source of money for the Trump businesses.

    Not wanting to disturb his businesses there… Trump has picked a fight with every country in the world except Russia…. His ‘cash cow’ today.

    In a 2015 interview, Trump said that his repeated attempts to launch business deals with Russians resulted in contacts with “…the top-level people, both oligarchs and generals, and TOP of the GOVERNMENT people. I can’t go further than that, but I will tell you that I met the top people, and the relationship was extraordinary.”

    …………………………….

    Trump’s links to Russian money laundering raise new questions about – SECRET – real estate deals since his election.

    21 Jun 2017

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/trumps-links-to-russian-money-laundering-raises-new-questions-about-secret-real-estate-deals-since-election/

    President Donald Trump has lengthy ties to suspected money launderers, and his family business may still be engaged in shady dealings.

    Trump biographer Tim O’Brien, takes a deep dive into the president’s business relationship with Felix Sater, a mob informant and felon with possible links to Russian intelligence, and real estate firm Bayrock Group.

    Bayrock, which operated out of Trump Tower but is now dormant, funded Trump real estate projects by funneling foreign investment through an Icelandic bank called the FL Group, which investigators suspect laundered dirty money from Russia and elsewhere.

    Trump himself appeared to care little where the money came from, or about Sater’s seemingly obvious ties to Mafia figures in the U.S. and Russia, according to the Bloomberg report.

    Sater conducted much of his Bayrock business with Trump’s two eldest children, Donald Jr. and Ivanka, during a series of deals between 2002 and 2011, including the troubled Trump Soho hotel and condominium.

    Trump’s 2008 sale of a Palm Beach, Florida, mansion to a Russian oligarch raised eyebrows during the presidential campaign.

    Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev paid $95 million about nine years ago through an LLC for a home owned by the future president, although he claimed at the time not to know who’d bought the property.

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    Here’s A Closer Look At Donald Trump’s Disturbingly Deep Ties To Russia
    May 17, 2017

    http://fortune.com/2017/05/17/donald-trump-russia-2/

    –-The President has deep Russian connections—

    In a 2007 deposition that Trump gave as part of his unsuccessful defamation lawsuit against reporter Timothy O’Brien, he describes efforts to launch real estate ventures in Russia through Bayrock Associates, a shady Russian-connected outfit.

    Bayrock had partnered with Trump on at least four major but failed American projects: the Fort Lauderdale Trump Tower, the Trump Ocean Club in Fort Lauderdale, the SoHo condominium-hotel in New York, and a resort in Phoenix.

    Bayrock had its office on the 24th floor of Trump Tower, and its 2007 glossy brochure featured a photo of Trump and Tevfik Arif, a principal Bayrock partner, who served for 17 years in the Soviet government before emigrating to the United States. It called the Trump Organization a “strategic partner,” and listed Trump as their primary reference.

    Felix Sater, a Russian-born managing director at Bayrock, was convicted of assault in 1991. Then, in 1998, federal prosecutors convicted Sater of fraud, for running a $40 million penny stock fraud in collaboration with the New York and Russian Mafia. In return for a guilty plea, Sater reportedly agreed to work as a government informant.

    Trump testified in his 2007 deposition that Bayrock was working their international contacts to complete Trump/Bayrock deals in Russia, Ukraine, and Poland. He testified that “Bayrock knew the investors” and that “this was going to be the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Moscow, Kiev, Istanbul, et cetera, and Warsaw, Poland.”

    Trump’s 2013 sojourn in Russia for the Miss Universe pageant was far less innocent that he would have us believe.

    While in Moscow, Trump met with Russian oligarchs who were closely aligned with President Vladimir Putin, including Herman Gref, the chief executive officer of the state-controlled Sberbank, Russia’s largest bank. In 2014, the United States and the European Union sanctioned Sberbank in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. “The Russian market is attracted to me,” Trump said. “Almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” he bragged. He tweeted, “TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next.”

    The Bayrock Group’s Felix Sater emerges again during the Trump campaign and presidency. Sater contributed the maximum $5,400 to Donald Trump’s campaign. Then on February 19, 2017, the New York Times reported that “A week before Trump fired Michael Flynn resigned as national security advisor, a sealed proposal was hand-delivered to his office, outlining a way for President Trump to lift sanctions against Russia.”

    The Times said that three men were responsible for developing and delivering the plan: Andrew Cohen, Trump’s personal lawyer, and Andrii V. Artemenko, a pro-Russian member of the Ukrainian parliament. Sater was the other.

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    Trump’s law firm’s Russian Office in Moscow

    https://www.morganlewis.com/locations/moscow

  12. Yes, the Syrian Government forces and allies have made huge territorial gains.
    Resafa of course is west of the Euphrates, an area where thanks to Russian tracking of intruding aircraft, the Syrian army is relatively “safe” from US air raids.
    I am more concerned about what is happening east of the Euphrates and the risk of the US and it’s cohorts, seizing Syrian territory and forcing partition.

    Is a “deal” going to be announced partitioning the country?
    The globalists failed to destroy Syria completely with their “Assad must go” mantra.
    Now, partition must surely seem a very desirable second best prize – for now anyway.

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