By GILROY KELLY
(This comment has been posted exactly as written)
“This [sunspot activity] has the potential to erase Israel from the map regardless of one-state two-state Palestinian or not. I am planning to be around to see how this plays out. There ain’t nothing stopping this from coming.” — Gilroy Kelly
“LD, Israel is not doomed. Franklyn, the Palestinians do not need to accept a “rump” state. Both or you need to do some serious fact-checking. As is, both of you come across on this issue as sophomoric, or less.”— Gilroy Kelly
Someone (or two) needs to get their fact-checking in order.
First there is this:
“In ten years time, there will be no more Israel.”
— Henry Kissinger, October 2012”
And then there is this:
“The New York Post had quoted Kissinger as saying “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.”
Those were apparently Kissinger’s exact words.”
It is funny how this non-quote is still alive. The quote is NOT FROM Henry Kissinger, it is from one of Kissinger’s aids who was talking to a gossip columnist (at the New York Post). The gossip columnist said it was told to her (by the aid) that Kissinger said it. From there, it has morphed into Kissinger quoted as saying it. Kissinger himself denies ever saying it. And yet, there it is … as if it is a direct quote from Kissinger himself.
And it was NON-QUOTED in September 2012, not October! No need to give Israel hope for an extra month they are not entitled to.
There are some rumblings suggesting Kissinger said it but it is taken out of context. What Kissinger meant was without financial and political aid, in 10 years there will be no more Israel. Either way, Kissinger denies ever saying it.
Alexander Maestrovoy writes: “Henry Kissinger’s recent statement, that in 10 years Israel will cease to exist, borders on senile. Although one of his staff members denied it, Cindy Adams from New York Post [see above] insisted: “Reported to me, Henry Kissinger has stated — and I quote the statement word for word: ‘In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.’” [Ed.]
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And then there is this beauty:
“Sixteen US intelligence agencies … have issued an 82-page analysis entitled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East.””
I am going to call bovine excrement on that. (1) There is no way on this planet you are ever going to get any 3 US intel agencies to agree on anything, let alone all 16 of them! (2) At the time this report supposedly happened (also, Sept 2012 – see Kissinger above) several of those intel agencies were headed up by Zionist Jews, many with dual citizenship. There is no way on this planet any of them would allow anything disparaging about Israel to be reported. (3) As is reveled in the link LD provided:
“Gordon Duff, Editor of Veterans Today, states that he has contacted sources in the intelligence agencies that supposedly wrote the report. These sources categorically deny its existence. Common sense supports Duff: What intelligence agency personnel could get away with telling this much truth in an official document?! So what we may have here is a two-part psy-op, designed as a fund-raiser for Israel, that backfired.”
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Now, about this:
LD: “The ultimate solution to the Jewish problem will come when the Jews get too big for their boots and Israel is finally destroyed by a hailstorm of nuclear weapons, leaving the entire country a smoldering heap of radioactive ashes.”
I disagree. Never I have I been more optimistic about a Palestinian state than I am now. Unfortunately, the Palestinians are not going to be happy about their new statehood. Abbas is already rebuffing the idea. I started to write in detail about this after reading the recent thread with that ‘thing’ created out of cobbled together multiple Franklyn posts, but thought the better of it. On this issue, Franklyn is so far out of touch with reality I felt ripped off for having spent the time to just read it.
I was interested to see how LD was going to counter-balance the Franklyn mess. Disappointingly, LD did not. LD just piled on. Both Franklyn and LD cobbled together yesterday’s musing about Israel and Palestine and one-state and two-state and used them to opine as if any of it has any relevance today. It does not. BOTH FAILED TO CONSIDER THE PRIMARY CURRENT FORCES DRIVING THE CREATION OF A NEW PALESTINIAN STATE … AND NONE OF IT IS ANTI-ISRAEL. Abbas is already objecting to what is being considered for the new Palestinian state. (How come neither Franklyn or LD shared that with us?) But it may not be Abba’s decision to make. (Or that? What’s going on there?)
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LD: “So what would be the ideal solution to this intractable problem? It would be a One State solution in which Jews and Arabs have equal rights.”
Lots of Jews and lots of Palestinians agree with you. That may be “ideal” but it is not going to happen. Publicly, Netanyahu demands the Palestinians “recognize Israel’s right to exist!” The Palestinians did that, in writing, with the Oslo Accords. Privately, before the Palestinian leadership, Netanyahu demands they recognize Israel’s right to exist EXCLUSIVELY as a Jewish state. The Palestinians cannot do that, never will. To do so would legitimize the torture, rape, murder, and ethnic cleansing the Zionists perpetrated upon the Palestinians – the Nakba. It also leaves the 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel as citizen out in the cold. Former Sec’y of State John Kerry (a.k.a. Hamburger Face) said Israel can either be a democracy (everyone is equal, everyone votes, as LD suggests would be ideal), or Israel can be a Jewish state (read: a politically-correct reference to the Apartheid state Israel currently is). Israel cannot be both. Either way, it presumes Israel as a single-state solution. There is another way.
Over the last several months, anytime a non-Jew (mostly Bedouins) from the Negev region in Israel went to a govt office for business (permits, licenses, etc) and had to provide their govt ID showing they are an Israeli citizen, their ID is confiscated. Instead, they are issued a residency card for a visitor. (Talk about a flagrant human rights violation!) These people are being told recognizing them (the non-Jews) as citizens of Israel was a mistake that is now being corrected. Instantly, these people cannot vote, have no representation in government, cannot hold public office, cannot get a passport, lost their freedom of movement within Israel, cannot go to Jerusalem without prior authorization … they are made a stateless people. This immediately caught my attention as it obviously supports the possibility of a Palestinian state.
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Finally, there is this:
Data is valid for September 23, 2017
Sunspot count: 12 ∆ -10
This has the potential to erase Israel from the map regardless of one-state two-state Palestinian or not. I am planning to be around to see how this plays out. There ain’t nothing stopping this from coming.
As important as the topic of a one-state/two-state solution is, and I believe it vitally important for the 2-million Palestinians imprisoned in the Gaza, they are on the verge of becoming the largest humanitarian crisis ever on this planet’, both Franklyn and LD need to do some research to become current on this issue. LD, Israel is not doomed (by the Palestinian issue). Franklyn, the Palestinians do not need to accept a “rump” state. And both or you need to do some serious fact-checking. As is, both of you come across on this issue as sophomoric, or less.
WILL SUNSPOTS DESTROY ISRAEL?
“This has the potential to erase Israel from the map regardless of one-state two-state Palestinian or not…. There ain’t nothing stopping this from coming.” — Gilroy Kelly