The US has been targeting civilians for a long time but pretending that all such deaths are accidental, aka “collateral damage”.
By PETER VAN BUREN
for The American Conservative
With pictures, captions, and short notes by Lasha Darkmoon
‘NAPALM GIRL’
WHAT AMERICA DID TO VIETNAMESE CHILDREN
U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis said, “civilian casualties are a fact of life in this sort of situation,” referring to America’s war against the Islamic State. And yet the fighting now in Mosul and Raqqa is destroying civilians and their homes on a medieval scale. How can America in clear conscience continue to kill civilians across the Middle East? It’s easy. Ask Grandpa what he did in the Good War. Civilian deaths in WWII weren’t dressed up as “collateral damage”, they were deliberate policy.
Following the institution of what some claim are looser rules of engagement under the Trump administration, U.S.-led coalition airstrikes in Iraq and Syria killed 1,484 civilians in March 2017 alone. Altogether some 3,100 civilians have been killed from the air since the U.S. launched its coalition war against Islamic State, according to the NGO Airwars. Drone strikes outside of the ISIS fight killed 3,674 other civilians. In 2015 the U.S. destroyed an entire hospital in Afghanistan, along with doctors and patients inside. Whole neighborhoods in Raqqa are being systematically leveled.
That all adds up to a lot of accidents – accidents created in part by the use of Hellfire missiles designed to destroy tanks employed against individual people, and 500 pound bombs that can clear a football-field sized area dropped inside densely inhabited areas. The policy of swatting flies with sledgehammers, surgical strikes with blunt instruments, does indeed seem to lead to civilian deaths, deaths that mock the definition of “accident.”
Yet despite the numbers killed, the watchword in modern war is that civilians are never targeted on purpose, at least by our side. Americans would never intentionally kill innocents.
Except we have.
The good guys in World War II oversaw the rapid development of new weapons to meet the changing needs of killing entire cities’ worth of innocents. For example, in Europe, brick and stone construction lent itself to the use of conventional explosives to destroy cities. In Japan, however, given the prominence of wood construction, standard explosives tended to simply scatter structures over a limited area. The answer was incendiary devices.
To fine-tune their use, the U.S. Army Air Force built a full-size Japanese village in Utah. They questioned American architects who had worked in Japan, consulted a furniture importer, and installed tatami straw floor mats taken from Japanese-Americans sent off to internment camps. Among the insights gained was the need for incendiary devices to be made much heavier than originally thought. Japanese homes typically had tile roofs. The early devices tended to bounce right off. A heavier device would break through the tile and ignite inside the structure, creating a much more effective fire.
Far from accidental, firebombing Japan had been planned in War Plan Orange, written long before Pearl Harbor. As far back as the 1920s, U.S. General Billy Mitchell had said Japan’s paper and wood cities would be “the greatest aerial targets the world had ever seen.” Following the outline in War Plan Orange, the efforts were lead by Curtis “Bombs Away” LeMay, who expressed his goal as “Japan will eventually be a nation without cities, a nomadic people.
LD notes: A correspondent writes to me:
“If the Japanese people were aware of all the evils inflicted upon them by the US, they would stop sucking up to America and aping its sexual degeneracy and Cultural Marxist mores. After South Korea, Japan happens to have the second highest per capita consumption of pornography in the world. Makes you wonder: why South Korea and Japan? I’ll tell you why. Both South Korea and Japan are US-occupied territories, like Germany. American bases scattered around everywhere, local women constantly being raped by US troops, brothels galore catering to American tastes. The Japanese would do well, IMHO, to align themselves with China and Russia against the common Judeo-American enemy.”
Sobering words. But will the Japanese read them and take remedial action? [LD]
LeMay also helped run the U.S. bombing campaign against North Korea during that war, claiming that American efforts killed some 20 percent of the civilian population. The man many call the architect of the Vietnam War, Robert McNamara, worked for LeMay during the WWII firebombing campaign. McNamara as Secretary of Defense went on to order the use of napalm in Vietnam, often against undefended civilian targets. The accidents of civilian deaths in war turn inside tight circles.
The skill with which America tuned its WWII firebombing into an exquisite way to destroy civilians reached its peak on March 10, 1945, when three hundred American B-29 bombers flew virtually unopposed over Tokyo’s most densely populated residential area. They dropped enough incendiary bombs to create a firestorm, a conflagration that burned the oxygen out of the air itself.
What was accomplished? One hundred thousand dead, a million people made homeless. The raid remains the single most destructive act of war ever committed, even after Hiroshima.
TOKYO FIRESTORM, 9 MARCH 1945
Te charred body of a woman who was carrying a child on her back
LD: Here is an instructive quote which paints a graphic picture of what firebombing an entire city entails:
“The fire spread so swiftly that windstorms twirled around swirling vortexes that sucked people, homes, debris into the flames. Flames spread so fast that even when there was a way to run where there was no fire, it was often too late. Clothes burst into flames and so did any packages people held. People who jumped into waterways often boiled alive. People on the bridges jumped into the water as the steel grew hot. It’s important to remember that death estimates range from 80,000 to 200,000 dead Japanese citizens, and most of them were innocent bystanders.”
The general public, lulled into apathy by government propaganda using euphemisms like “collateral damage”, would be horrified if they knew the chilling truth about the mass murders committed in their name. [LD]
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The problem, however, for the U.S. with such raids was their inefficiency in killing civilians. The logistics of sending off 300 planes were daunting, especially when an hour or two of unexpected wind or rain could negate much of effort. There was no question firestorms were the very thing to systematically commit genocide in Japan. But what was needed was a tool to create those firestorms efficiently, and to make them weather-proof.
It would only take science a few more months after the Tokyo firebombing to provide that tool.
A single atomic bomb meant one plane could do the work of 300. And the bomb would create a fire so powerful and large and hot that weather would have no effect; it was foolproof. There could be no better weapon for destroying whole cities and all of the people in them, and it has only been used by one nation — the United States.
They used the atom bomb twice, because the 85,000 killed in Hiroshima were not enough.
These were tactics of vengeance matched with weapons designed to carry them out as horribly as possible. They worked well: the firebombing campaign over Japan, including the atomic bombings, purposely killed more than one million civilians in just five months in 1945.
BURNED ALIVE AT HIROSHIMA
It was only after WWII ended, when accurate descriptions from Hiroshima began finding their way back to America, that the idea of firebombing as a way to shorten the war, to spare lives in the long game, came into full flower. The myth, that the atomic bomb was in fact a reluctant instrument of mercy, not terror, was first published in Harper’s Magazine in February 1947 under the name of Secretary of War Henry Stimson. The actual writing was done by McGeorge Bundy, who later as National Security Adviser helped promote the American war in Vietnam that took several million civilian lives.
The majority of Americans, recovering their consciences post-war, were thus nudged into seeing what was actually a continuation of long-standing policy of civilian genocide in Japan as an unfortunate but necessary step toward Japan’s surrender, and thus saved innumerable lives that would have been lost had the war dragged on. This thinking lives on today on politically correct ground under the banner of great powers having to reluctantly put aside what is moral in peace for what is expedient in war. A “fact of life,” according to the U.S. Secretary of Defense.
So look deeper into history if you want to understand the morality-free rise in civilian deaths across America’s battlefields in the Middle East. We don’t like to think of ourselves as the kind of people who willfully kill innocents, but we were pleased by it only a skip back in history; your grandfather flew missions over Japan to burn children to death. Accidents of course happen in war, but there is a dark history of policy that demands skepticism each time such claims are made.
HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI
“Your grandfather flew missions over Japan
to burn children to death.”
Sourced from The American Conservative
VIDEO : 2 mins
I don’t think there was any war in the US short history in which war crimes were not committed on a grand scale, not “by accident” but as deliberate policy.
This begun already in the Philippine-American war of 1899-1902 :
Wikipedia, Philippine-American war.
This war was fought so-called to “liberate” the Philippines from Spanish rule, in reality to make it into a colony of America. In this war water-boarding was practised for the first time. Since then in every armed conflict the US has committed war crimes on an appalling scale – deliberately.
For the US criminal behavior after WW II, see William Blum’s book Rogue State or visit his website : https://williamblum.org/books/rogue-state/
William Blum has written a second book Killing Hope : US Military and CIA interventions since World war II, which can be read free on line in PDF.
This addition has just been made to the text within the last few minutes (11.30am) :
@FRANKLIN RYCKAERT
“I don’t think there was any war in the US short history in which war crimes were not committed on a grand scale, not “by accident” but as deliberate policy.
In this war water-boarding was practiced for the first time.”
May 30th 1902
In his “indignant” speech, Roosevelt defended the U. S. Army against charges of “cruelty” in the ongoing Philippine-American War by racializing the conflict as one being fought between the forces of “civilization” and “savagery.” He dismissed the Filipinos as “Chinese half-breeds,” and insisted “this is the most glorious war in our nation’s history.”
In the same year, Albert Gardner, in Troop B of the 1st U.S. Cavalry, composed a would-be comic song dedicated to “water-cure” torture, sung to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic:
“1st
Get the good old syringe boys and fill it to the brim
We’ve caught another n****r and we’ll operate on him
Let someone take the handle who can work it with a vim
Shouting the battle cry of freedom
Chorus
Hurrah Hurrah We bring the Jubilee
Hurrah Hurrah The flag that makes him free
Shove in the nozzel deep and let him taste of liberty
Shouting the battle cry of freedom”
“The “treatment” consisted of spread-eagling a prisoner on his back, forcing his mouth open with a bamboo stick and pouring gallons of water down his throat. Helpless, the prisoner was pumped with water until his stomach was near the bursting point. Then he was questioned. If he refused to answer, an American soldier stood or kneeled on his belly, forcing the water out. One report by a U.S. soldier told how “a good heavy man” jumped on a prisoner’s belly “sending a gush of water from his mouth into the air as high as six feet.””
Many more pictures and commentary;
http://www.filipinoamericanwar.com/thelastholdouts.htm
American soldiers administering the ‘treatment’;
1. https://jimcraven10.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/img060.jpg
2. http://www.freewebs.com/philippineamericanwar/Water%20Cure%20pic%20and%20cartoon.jpg
@ Franklin Ryckkaert
@ Jimbo
Excellent comments… and extremely graphic. I had no idea these atrocities had been carried out on such an industrial scale. And all this to “liberate” the Filipinos from their Spanish colonial masters from whom they never asked to be liberated.
The shocking water torture described by Jimbo will give me nightmares for a long time to come. This is a lot worse than “waterboarding”. Or maybe it isn’t, because being almost drowned repeatedly has to be pretty unbearable also. I can’t help wondering if people subjected to such tortures simply lose consciousness.
@Skipper said;
“And all this to “liberate” the Filipinos from their Spanish colonial masters from whom they never asked to be liberated.”
From link;
“Spanish friars of the Dominican Order, ca 1875-1880. A major cause of the Philippine Revolution was the tyranny, oppressive practices and blatant racism of the religious orders.”
“[Friarocracy — the power of religious orders — was a constant of Spanish colonial rule over the centuries. Friars of the Augustinian, Dominican and Franciscan orders conducted many of the executive and control functions of government on the local level. They were responsible for education, health, census-keeping and tax collection, and supervised the selection of local police and town officers. They kept a tight rein on public morals and reported seditious activities to the authorities. Contrary to the principles of the Roman Catholic Church, they used information gained in confession to pinpoint troublemakers.]”
From ‘Background: The Philippine Revolution and the Spanish-American War’, very good pictures and text.
http://www.filipinoamericanwar.com/background.htm
Thanks to Franklin Ryckkaert for heads up as regards this topic.
Americans need to wake up to the even more revolting fact:
they are willing, cowardly slaves of jews and carry out these and future atrocities at the behest of jew, all in mortal fear of being labeled anti-semitic for disobeying the lucifer’s marching orders.
In my opinion, this is worse than killing for your own fun and profit, only to obsequiously ingratiate yourself with the mastermind, while aware that you are committing a mortal sin, whereas he couldn’t care less.
And to make it even worse, knowing full well that this mastermind is a wheelchair bound invalid, unable to fend for himself, i.e., no possible threat to you.
At least the rest of the shabbos have a tiny excuse of being scared of what American monster can do to them if not toeing the line.
3 descending levels of evil on earth: Jew, USA, zio-West, is it wonder that identifying this pyramid is a capital offense?
War is the ultimate act of “Premeditated Murder.”
The planning of attacks and construction of weapons are obviously acts of tremendous premeditation. Pre-planned actions.
The US military as a whole is the perfect weapon in the hands of London’s Pharisee-Jew Bankers who HAVE created MAJOR wars WORLD-WIDE… for the last 500 years… and even longer than that.
The U.S. government is controlled by Zionists and has been for over 100 years and Zionism worships satan and this is what Zionists do ie they sacrifice human lives to worship satan , so no one should be surprised that the U.S. government kills civilians , it is what they do for their Zionist masters.
All Empires of colonization are of satanic origin. These empires turned ordinary people into useful ‘slaves’ and subjects for their satanic overlords who have taken control. It is as old as is humanity and can be traced back to the book of Genesis, right up to its present day. It will continue until another world wide, either man made or natural catastrophic event, will bring the end of a new beginning.
Telling it as it is. Was, will always be as long as Jews run America. Remember also Dresden and Jimmy Stewart leading a thousand plane bombing raid over Berlin. We’ll never live down what all we did in our wars of aggression.
Only thing left to do: http://www.jbcampbellextremismonline.com/
If we don’t act – or react – when we know what’s causing all this misery, what are we? Spectators? Intellectuals? Gutless trash?
“The majority of Americans, recovering their consciences post-war, were thus nudged into seeing what was actually a continuation of long-standing policy of civilian genocide in Japan as an unfortunate but necessary step toward Japan’s surrender, and thus saved innumerable lives that would have been lost had the war dragged on. ”
It should be emphasized here that the war dragged on because the Jews and their corrupt puppet politicians wanted it to drag on. If human (and animal) life means nothing to you, and if you have the military advantage over the “enemy”, then why not demand “unconditional surrender” and just keep killing and destroying? The U.S. “government” knew the Japanese wanted to surrender when it was committing these atrocities.
“We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. NOTHING that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy, because we need a world of our own, a God-world, which it is not in your nature to build” (Maurice Samuel, “You Gentiles” p.155).
advisory: OFF TOPIC
I believe that I am onto something of importance, linking the murky, largely unknown part of Russian (Soviet) history to the present day American social and political turmoil.
Due to lengthy quotes, mostly from the invaluable Analeuskas lectures.
But this triggered me just now, the story of the Jewess fanny kaplan, also known, in the time honored shapeshifting tradition as Faina Yefimovna Kaplan (also known as Fanny Kaplan and as Dora Kaplan or Feiga Chaimovna Roytblat- Kaplan, who shot Lenin in 1918, ultimately fatally, seems, because he died after surgery to remove the bullets in 1924.
Say hi to a bit of revisionism, this time quite official: Russia Is Re-Investigating 1918 Attempt on Lenin’s Life
Things got very interesting at that juncture, because among all the top dogs of the Bolshevik-Menshevik apparatus, lenin was only a 1/4 jew, not enough to qualify in the eyes of all the rest, trotsky, kamenev, Zinoviev, uritsky, Sverdlov and thousands of others who ran the system-wide bloodbath, while gearing up to export it across the world.
Quick quote from Analeuskas
Joe Stalin … for over a year now, i suspected that he was one of the most important men in history, by historical timing, location and his innate, peculiar talents.
It may well be that Lenin also had a mini-epiphany because after the shooting, he refused to leave the kremlin, fearing further conspiracies by “friendly” jews and thereby condemned himself by slow death by these bullets specially coated with poison and it may have been the reason for his anointing Stalin as his right hand man in 1922, 2 years before his death … the dumb goy Stalin, of no consequence, no threat to jews 😉
Back to Analeuskas (this should be enough for one post).
first, the immediate “Stalin effect”, as soon as he prevailed in the power struggle after Lenin’s death in 1924
who was Stalin, really?
enough for this post, just building a foundation for the insight that started when i read that 1938 Kollontai interview, where he directly identified the clear and present danger that Zionism presented to the whole world.
Lobro –
There is a more SIMPLE reason for TODAY’s Russian dilemmas….
….THEY are a bunch of drunks..!! 🙂
“Nobody has been able to conquer Russia in a military sense; not Hitler and not Napoleon if we don’t go back too far in recent history. But what has been achieved successfully is a cultural ‘norm’ of drunkness, whether or not its worse than other places in the world. This kind of ‘genetic warfare’, akin to 4th generation warfare (a documented, CIA weapon of media warfare) weakens a particular genetic pool, substituting a superior trait with a weaker one as if it was tradition all along.”
SECRET FSB LECTURE: Why Putin doesn’t drink alcohol:
https://youtu.be/6WLfkEEDOzI?t=315
You mean like binge drinking US/British style ??
Britons are among most at-risk in Europe for alcohol-related cancer
See @ https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/04/britons-are-among-most-at-risk-in-europe-for-alcohol-related-cancer?CMP=share_btn_tw
Mr R –
“You mean like binge drinking US/British style ??”
No. Not like that.
I mean GUZZLING EVERYDAY to push away the miserable lifestyles most of the Russians lead…. causing the Russian men to have shorter lifespans than US/British by 20 years..!!
Cancer is very common in Russia. Putin addressed a woman with breast cancer just last month…. in his ‘Fireside Chat’ like Jimmy Carter, posted on HIS website:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/54790
pat,
your hate and contempt of russia is astonishing … truly.
i have never seen anything like it.
“secret FSB lecture” … just put it on youtube and send it to Pat, make sure it remains the top secret for everybody else.
like gabreal jones’ secret of how Hitler was a male prostitute who liked Eva Braun (“Brown”) to defecate on his chest, according to secret deathbed confession by some secret agent in post war England.
oh yeah and Trump paying to watch golden showers over Michelle Obama’s bed in moscow, another top-notch secret that only you and i know, all hush-hush and absolutely trustworthy sources.
aren’t we lucky to be privy to such secrets, just don’t tell anyone else, ok?
Lobro –
What is even MORE astonishing to me…. I have never seen anything like it..!!!
YOU have to go “OFF TOPIC” to brag about COMMUNIST Russia and ‘Put-On’ and Stalin, the dictators.!!!
Truly astonishing..!! Absolutely amazing..!!
Please “BIGGLY” direct more hate toward the US and Trump here… I am willing to help you with that..!! 🙂
Lobro –
You wrote:
“pat,
your hate and contempt of russia is astonishing … truly.”
You used the word “hate” and I never have. You should get patents for YOUR “YUGE” inventions..!! 🙂
Since I have claimed that Russian wages are pathetic, AND just last month, ‘Put-On’ claimed Russian wages are pathetic… YOU should make the claim that HE hates Russia as you have written about me..!! 🙂
See:
Putin said last month – June 2017 – that Russian incomes are declining..!!
June 2017:
Monthly Salaries in Russia for many are 3,600 rubles = $60.71 US Dollars
Monthly Salaries for Firefighters are 8,000 rubles = $134.84 US Dollars
Monthly Salaries for Nurses are 10,246 rubles = $172.69 US Dollars
……………………………….
Tatyana Remezova:
Mr President, you yourself spoke about people’s declining real incomes, and the official statistics confirm this. When will people feel the benefits of the reviving economy?
Vladimir Putin:
You know, the decline was rather steep, and so it will take some time before people will feel an improvement. As I said at the beginning, I consider this to be the most important and serious problem.
Tatyana Remezova:
Still, many people complain about low wages. Here are many text messages and photos of wage slips. For example, a preschool teacher at Kindergarten No. 111 in Astrakhan is paid 7,935 rubles. The slip is for May 2017. Can you live on this wage?
A medical nurse at the Vostochny Space Launch Centre received 10,246 rubles in May.
“Should a firefighter risk his life for 8,000 rubles a month?” asks Alexander Melnikov, head of a fire team from the Saratov Region.
“When will postal workers’ wages be raised? You cannot live on 3,600 rubles.”
Vladimir Putin:
We will have to check the situation with salaries of 3,600 rubles to understand how this is possible. After all, there is a minimum wage in Russia, and it is more than 3,600 rubles. However, all the people you have mentioned are public sector employees who did not benefit from the wage increases under the May 2012 executive orders.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/54790
So… as YOU wrote:
“aren’t we lucky to be privy to such secrets, just don’t tell anyone else, ok?”
And I’m sure you will never tell anyone how bad it is in Russia.. 🙂
Why shucks! Sewer Nation’s “Idiot Culture” has SO much to feel “exceptional” over…. Yeah, right.
Thanks Lobro for reminding me that we have a limited understanding of the peoples of Russia. Our endless bombing also shows our limited perspective on the real cost of our wars–this small family, region, tribe, history, accents, cultural traditions–we just bomb, bomb away. This was my big argument against OBOMA. He was droning the planet and everyone ignored that fact. I don’t even think that people around me noticed when he destroyed Libya, which also has its own uniqueness as part of antiquity.
I had hope Trump would not conform to the pattern but so far he is still bomb, bomb, bombing. I always thought in my mind that it was the Golan that drove the hidden agenda of the Middle East, although I had no proof. Now as Assad seems to have conquered ISIS we are facing the prospect of peace in Syria, but wait a minute “what about the Golan?” You mean we went through all those years of horror and terror and carnage for nothing. Assad is still in power and the Golan isn’t owned by the right people, just occupied.
The reason I’m saying this is that there are new voices on the internet who are/were anti-Hillary and anti-pay to play, anti-pedophile; but are deeply committed in other ways to ….a direct quote….”Have you been to the Golan?” That is the question that gets people in the door. Trump is going to have to forget about the Golan and allow the stalemate to continue…endlessly continue. Just stop bombing. The anti-war, non interventionist contingent voted for him and we expect him to follow through with what he promised.
White People: Trending Towards Extinction – watch and learn how to wake people up with facts!
https://youtu.be/V5Q9S3epIDs
This is a very good presentation.
Level headed.
We need more like this.
More people coming from different approaches.
It’s very disarming to have someone present these points – these facts – in such a tone.
Save the video with:
http://www.keepvid.com
still OFF-TOPIC, with apologies to the site authorities but i do feel that this is highly relevant to today’s configuration.
and now for the punchline to that previous post.
NB: as an ethnic lithuanian (Lithuania is Catholic), Analeuskas should have no feelings of loyalty or compatriotism with Russians.
the truth about STALIN AND THE JEWS
What can one take away from all this?
well, a massive lesson:
for a political leader to succeed in ridding his country of the Jew yoke, he must dissemble masterfully enough, play stupid, play sycophantic shabbo, anything to divert their attention from his real intentions and capabilities.
TRUMP!!!
could he be another Stalin?
At least the ordinary Russians were smart enough to catch on and this is why even today, they consider Stalin a true national hero and liberator.
Final note: “The Zionists understood Stalin’s objective” … and i am quite sure that the Zionists understand Trump’s objective and the current state of near-civil war reflects this understanding, they got caught once and this time they see it coming.
ok, no more OFF-TOPIC stuff, thanks for reading.
Lobro –
You keep pressing forward the “YUGE” silly notion that every leader which YOU “BIGGLY” SUPPORT… actually hates Pharisee-Jew Banker Bastards… but is just playing along to trick them..!! 🙂 🙂
Like that…. ALL Pharisee-Jews win anyway..!!
Go figger…!! 🙂
Lobro –
You wrote:
TRUMP!!!
“could he be another Stalin?”
NO..!!! He is too busy – TODAY – Tweeting Wrestlemania results:
“President Trump at Wrestlemania” ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6EO70W-PqE
All the while… the current Mideast is rampant with slaughtering..!!!
Buffoon is as Buffoon does..!!
Trump’s CNN “YUGE” Prank Video from HIS TWEET:
https://needtoknow.news/2017/07/cnn-journalists-horrified-prank-video-trump-taking-cnn-wrestling-match/
@ Lobro
I hope you’re not going to make a habit of posting long, off-topic comments like this. You are setting a precedence. If you can do it and get away with it, why shouldn’t others too create these irritating distractions whenever they want?
Aren’t you interested in the article we are all discussing here, or do you find it too boring to discuss?
Thank you Lobro. Very interesting.
Could Trump be another Stalin? According to your text we can give Trump 2 years to see the effect on Jewish role.
See, he has managed to create a distraction. Suddenly we are all talking about Lenin and Stalin! Admin should definitely take steps to crack down on this deliberate disruption of the topic. From Lenin and Stalin we go to alcohol consumption in various countries!
What next? Ming vases? Pork consumption in Outer Mongolia?
@ Bradley Arnold
OK, we get your point, but you could have put it more politely.
@ All Commenters
Short, off-topic comments have always been welcome on this website. However, extremely long off-topic comments which serve to derail discussion and make other posters fly off at a tangent should NOT be posted on a new thread. They should be kept for a back thread.
This is the usual custom and we hope it will be respected and observed.
Loboro was on-topic. He was debating whether the current POTUS can counter the hidden hand responsible for premeditated war crimes against civilians. The historical example given by Loboro was necessary and succinct. My very short comment closed the subject.
How was Loboro’s comment off-topic? I wonder whether ADMIN or BRADLEY ARNOLD actually read and understood it.
@ Flan O’Brien
“Loboro was on-topic.”
Really? So why did he begin his first post with the words “OFF TOPIC”? (In capital letters). And why did he go on to say, “still OFF-TOPIC, with apologies to the site authorities”? And why did he finish with the words, “OK, no more off-topic stuff.”
“He was debating whether the current POTUS can counter the hidden hand responsible for premeditated war crimes against civilians.”
Garbage! If his comment had anything to do with “the current POTUS” it might have been relevant, so why did he forewarn us that his comments were “OFF-TOPIC” from start to finish, meaning that they was TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the subject matter of the thread?
“The historical example given by Loboro was necessary and succinct. My very short comment closed the subject.
Wrong! The historical example given by Lobro had nothing to with “the current POTUS”, being exclusively about Stalin, so it was both irrelevant and unnecessary. Nor were Lobro’s comments “succinct”. On the contrary, they are the longest comments on the thread.
“How was Loboro’s comment off-topic?”
I’ve just explained that. His comments were “off-topic” for the simple reason that he SAID they were off-topic! Understand?
I wonder whether ADMIN or BRADLEY ARNOLD actually read and understood it.
Yes, Mr O’Brien, Admin and Bradley Arnold did read and understand Lobro’s comments, unlike you who read his comments but failed to understand that everything Lobro said was TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC FROM START TO FINISH — according to his own admission!.
Lucy Skipping
(Ex-monitor, retiring early)
Flan –
You have to blame Lobro… not admin or others for labeling his comments “OFF-TOPIC” since Lobro introduced both of them as such. (not “Loboro” either) 🙂
The second one was initiated with this admission and apology by Lobro:
“still OFF-TOPIC, with apologies to the site authorities but i do feel that this is highly relevant to today’s configuration.”
Lobro finished with:
“ok, no more OFF-TOPIC stuff, thanks for reading.”
As usual… circuitously… he swerved into being his own worst critic.. 🙂
In a legal nit-picking sense Lobro was off topic because he stated such – he did so as a way of apologizing in advance to those with short attention spans.
“If his comment had anything to do with “the current POTUS” it might have been relevant, ”
I know this was written near the end, therefore Loboro should apologize to those who have difficulty to focus!
The longstanding outstanding wise stalwarts of this site are Lobro and Arch Stanton (who agreed with Lobro). In my opinion (rhetorical) attacking them is shooting this site in the foot.
Lobro,
Interesting comment, especially from a Lithuanian.
As Stalin the ice breaker once declared “I know that after my death a pile of rubbish will be heaped on my grave, but the wind of History will sooner or later sweep it away without mercy. ”
Like this book of joshua rubinstein Stalin’s Secret Pogrom: The Postwar Inquisition of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. Yep Stalin also had a final solution and was planning to deport 2.5 million Jews in Siberia, no shit. Who’s gonna paid for the heart attack, reparations should be asked.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/books/chapters/quotstalins-secret-pogrom-the-postwar-inquisition-of-the.html
He also said that “Every Jewish nationalist is the agent of the American intelligence service.”
Here is something closer to the truth.
https://www.counter-currents.com/2013/03/stalin-the-enduring-legacy/
This sober man should be beatified, too bad he didn’t invade Occidental Europe 🙂 .
TRUMP!!!
could he be another Stalin?
According to Assad recent interview by Indian journalist, Trumps a Puppet to the deep state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxpvoVGXURM
TWIMC:
Feel free to safely ignore the facts, lest they get in the way of fables.
Lobro –
See where OFF TOPIC crap took ya..???
Down the path full of Pharisee-Jew internet facts and fables at Pharisee-Jew owned World Atlas..!!
You are still guessing at the fables as much as I am.. 🙂
@ Lobro
Another off-topic comment, I see. Can’t you keep your eye on the ball?
when i preface a post with “Off Topic”, it is a clear signal to would be reader who is not interested to skip it.
as for the alcohol consumption, it wasn’t my idea to bring it into the thread, but if it pleases you, go ahead and blame me.
rainy and windy over there?
mea culpa.
And now i invite you to take the ball and do your best with it.
@ Lobro,
With all due respect, you miss my point. Prefacing your post with the words “OFF TOPIC” is no way lets you off the hook. Because by posting this off-topic comment you lured Flan O’Brien into going off-topic too, setting off this chain reaction of off-topic comments in response to your original off-topic comment.
How could this website function if 10-20 commenters were all as scatter-brained as you are and prefaced their comments by the words “OFF TOPIC”? If everyone copied you, every single comment on the thread would be off-topic.
What possible justification can there be for copy-pasting a comment about alcohol consumption in various countries?
i already answered, if you click on the link in my post above yours.
here it is again, in full string:
https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/us-guilty-of-premeditated-murder-of-civilians/#comment-958114
where pat goes: “There is a more SIMPLE reason for TODAY’s Russian dilemmas….
….THEY are a bunch of drunks..!!”
and i showed that their per capita alcohol consumption puts the russian deplorables behind such respectables as Austria, Ireland, France and Luxemburg and on par with germany.
not that it matters at all to pat, because it is a mere fact, thus safe to ignore but i thought that when next he lurches at russia, broken bottle in hand, people might not quite take his claims of “Russians … THEY are a bunch of drunks..!!” at the smiley-face value.
Just hoping, being an eternal optimist, almost equally eternally disappointed.
once again, Bradley, i guess I really gotta make sure, this is the link in question, see?
https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/us-guilty-of-premeditated-murder-of-civilians/#comment-958114
or alternatively, do this: go to the top of the page and run the search (ctr-f) on “drunk” or “alcohol” and see whose name comes up 1st … mine?
(btw, Pat has made disparaging comments about Russia, Putin and Russians without fail in just about every thread for the past 4-5 years and the words DRUNK and ALCOHOL come up rather frequently, so i thought to put that piece of the issue to rest – of course not, until the next article)
@ Lobro
Your attempt to justify your off-topic post showing that other nations have higher alcohol consumption than Russia fails dismally. Why? Because you conveniently FAILED TO NOTICE the significant sentence in the quote below by Pat. See the bold print sentence (underlined bit):
You failed to spot the underlined sentence. The quote ADMITS that there is less per capita consumption of alcohol in Russia than in other countries, but makes the point that drunkenness is nevertheless a “cultural norm” in Russia. Which it isn’t in other countries.
So the point Pat was making was correct. As usual you were too lazy and inattentive to comprehend the meaning of the quote.
With the current mideast round of slaughter it is important to look at the track record of mass murder as an instrument of policy. The aftermath of bombing shown is a sobering reminder as to what horror modern weapons can inflict in a matter of minutes.
The US culpability in Asia and Europe is a matter of historic record, the intent of the article stands as a harsh warning and view of what ‘someone’ is constantly pushing the US to do. Japan’s imperial adventure started in Manchuria, spread to China, and eventually stretched from the borders of India to the Solomon Islands. The US knew well before the Pearl Harbor attack what and when was coming, and used it as a popular cause for counterattack. The Japanese Imperial Army were no less brutal than the US firebombing, only less technically equipped. The complexities of the war party machinations in Japan of the influential Black Dragon society are fascinating, not too unlike the zionists today – I often wonder if there was a jewish element involved, similar to the mass murder perpetrated by China’s communists. Currently China, emboldened by it’s wealth created in good measure by zionist theft and transplanting of American Industry are engaged in Imperial ambitions in the South China Sea, have re-engaged in a shooting war with India with the recent loss of an Indian fighter aircraft and the removal of pre manufactured bunkers from Indian soil, and have grand ambitions in the so called “rimland” with the Silk Road project.
The problem for China, like it’s Japanese counterpart, is overpopulation. Bilderberg participants loudly decry it, then proceed to flood Europe with African and ME savages. The US, while strong militarily, is no longer the master of it’s own house. Zionists and neo-cons dictate policy, based on similar grandiose imperial ambitions, though the Japanese sacrifice of millions in it’s failed historic gamble will be born as in Europe and Asia in WW1 and WW2 by someone else. Events, as we so often see, can take unexpected turns, however.
The current level of debt in the EU, UK, and USA is historic and unsustainable. Combined with an inability of self appointed elites to humanely address overpopulation, the ‘easy’ way out by their ‘logic’ would seem to be a military one. The EU, despite all it’s bluster, is unable to protect it’s own borders and it’s recent military experiences are few (fortunately) and incompetent. But don’t think for a minute that they will safely escape any more than occupied Palestine when things really get out of hand.
Russia has somewhat resolved it’s zionist problem after unimaginable suffering. Today the wealth of Russia is coveted by zion international. Remember “The Economist” urging Iraq to attack Iran 6 months before the ten year conflict began? There is always a ‘reason’ concocted for every new effort at plunder and dominance. Japan should absolutely reject cultural marxism, the insidious rot from within, and so should other nations – China seems to be aware of that one at least, but Russia still leads by using harmonious domestic cohesion as opposed to brute force. Nations with new found wealth should soberly examine alternative solutions to their domestic problems, with no better place to start than the reduction of zionist wire pullers and dual loyalty interests, who are as shown again and again by study and examination of often suppressed history, the great evil of our world.
Silly Winston – the jew connection with the Japanese Black Dragon society of militarists was of course Jacob Schiff, the infamous murderer of millions. Relatively generous terms of the huge sums Schiff loaned Japan with the understanding they would attack Russia at Port Arthur in his first co-ordinated effort (which failed) to install the Bolsheviks 1904-1905 set the whole Imperial Japanese adventure going. The jews would appear to be doing the same with China today.
It is apparent satan is mostly ruling the world because “we the people” are allowing him, because we refuse to keep and enforce God’s Law.
Regarding the raid on Tokyo, the article says “The raid remains the single most destructive act of war ever committed, even after Hiroshima.” I don’t doubt the number of deaths claimed, but I doubt it was “the single most destructive act of war”. I have never read accounts doubting the number of Japanese killed in the war. In fact, I once read the pilot of the plane carrying the atomic bomb, Paul Warfield Tibbets Jr., used to do simulation runs of him dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima in Texas or somewhere to entertain the crowds.
The Japanese suffered terribly and their wood construction buildings allowed the fires from the bombing to spread and make the destruction that much worse. But I have never heard anyone question the number of Japanese killed or the damage done. I would also say, you would rarely read or hear about the number of Japanese or Germans killed in the war (except for Hiroshima and Nagasaki) , and if you do see it discussed, there is no remorse about what was done. In Germany’s case, you were fighting “Hitler” and the “NAZIS” and these were the “most evil people in all history”. That is the explanation (or excuse). This is one reason the holocaust is continuously propped up. If that fraud is exposed, the British and Americans will have a more difficult time explaining their actions.
Germany is treated differently than Japan though. When a book is written about German suffering, the screams of denial and, or justification for what was done, while at the same time accusing the historian of being a “NAZI” is the standard behavior of Germany’s former enemies. This is what was done to David Irving when his first book, the international bestseller “The Destruction of Dresden” was published in 1963. Jews were outraged. David Irving spoke to survivors and people that were in charge at the time of the bombing and a conservative estimate of 135,000 people killed in two nights of bombing is the estimate, with documentation to back that figure up. That is the minimal figure, with some estimates placing the figure as high as 400,000 Dresdeners, or more killed. The city was filled with refugees. That was the most destructive act war, not only in WW II, but in any war. And virtually every German city received similar treatment, while most people around the world are completely ignorant of these facts.
I’ll give an example. When I was in Berlin last year on personal business I spoke to a real estate agent there. He was a young Dutchman working in Germany. I made a comment regarding the massive destruction to Berlin during WW II and he responded that Berlin didn’t suffer much damage in the war. He was from Rotterdam I believe and he commented on the German bombing of Rotterdam being much worse. The bombing of Rotterdam by Germany was presented by the allies as another example of the Germans supposed barbarism, often talked about in movies and documentaries. Like the “holocaust”, it was one of those examples repeated over and over for public consumption to have it implanted in everyone’s brain so they wouldn’t forget it. The same goes for Germany’s bombing of Coventry in Britain and Guernica in Spain, two other examples of supposed German barbarism. Well here are the generally accepted figures for the death tolls in the bombing of these cities. Berlin – 135,000 people, Rotterdam 1,000 people, Coventry 300 people. According to Wikipedia, there is a dispute regarding the death toll in Guernica (that is not unique to Guernica), but local historians estimate the death toll to be 126 victims. To sum it up, Berlin suffered 135 times the number of deaths Rotterdam did, but like the Dutchman, most people are ignorant of the total destruction of Berlin. 135,000 is a conservative estimate, with the probable death toll being much higher, possibly hundreds of thousands of people higher. Berlin was the first German city bombed by the allies (Churchill), starting in 1939 or 1940, and was bombed continuously over the next five years, until the end of the war. And Coventry and Guernica, two of the most infamous examples of German barbarism according to the Jewish influenced allies hardly suffered at all when you compare their death tolls to what German cities suffered. Dresden (over 135,000 people killed), Nuremburg, Munich, Hamburg (50,000 people killed) and Berlin only scratch the surface. Every German city was bombed. In Pforzheim, a typical smaller German city, the official estimate is 17,600 people were killed. This was done in 22 minutes of British bombing. The same was done all over Germany.
The total tonnage of bombs dropped on Germany exceeds that dropped on Japan. Germany was the allies primary target, certainly for the British, but also the Americans. And the American project to build the atomic bomb, which was kicked off by the German Jew Einstein’s letter to FDR, was intended for Germany. Germany surrendered before the Americans had the opportunity to use in on them. Germany has an enemy the Japanese didn’t have. The Jews want have always minimized German suffering and with their influence in the media have done that. In fact it;’s hardly known. While the world knows about Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden. No one argues or gets angered when Japanese suffering is discussed, but discussing Germans suffering always causes an uproar, and it almost always comes from the Jews. The German death toll from bombing was higher than that of Japan, it was much higher than any allied country and it is purposefully minimized.
Great point Peter. As a child, I was fortunate to visit Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. We stayed with an American family of German descent who were highly fed up with ‘certain’ growing influence in the USA, who moved to a charming village near Frankfurt. The four daughters were prodigies. The adults used to have long conversations about malefic jewish influence in the US, it was commonly understood back then what a bunch of pariahs so many of them are; today they have sunk their hooks ever deeper and our countries have sunk with them. If there was anything worse for Germany than the war losses, it might yet turn out to be the peace. They habitually lie about the German civilian suffering and enforce a draconian totalitarian state on honest discussion as their historic narrative cannot stand up to scrutiny. The true history of German technical development is still officially suppressed, but no amount of official lies can ever erase the suffering of the German people – or the Russians under the Bolsheviks.
Thanks Winston.
@Peter
“In Pforzheim, a typical smaller German city, the official estimate is 17,600 people were killed. This was done in 22 minutes of British bombing. The same was done all over Germany.”
From link;
“Extended operational footage shows the RAF Bomber Command raid on the German industrial town of Pforzheim on the night of February 23 1945.”
The type of ‘industry’ included part production of the Messerschmidt 109, making it a legitimate target in war.
You may find this of interest;
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060007176
Considering their influence over our lives, Jews are always on topic. I think many here would agree that any post serving to illuminate the Jew’s history, religion, culture and agenda is spot on topic.
Interesting take on Trump. I predicted since Trump was appointed by the Zionist to start WWIII, his administration would be virtually devoid of any visible Jewish names or influence, thus removing the possibility receiving the kind of blame rightfully leveled against the Jewish neocons that pushed America into a major conflict in the Near East. I was truly puzzled by his son-in-law and other Jews now openly snuggled up to him. Perhaps this post provides insight as to why that might be the case.
Jews are insane psychopaths. Mentally aberrant psychopaths have huge egos that require regular feeding. I have long maintained if anything brings about an end to the Jew’s culture dominance over western civilization, it will be due to their appallingly, arrogant chutzpah.
Here’s a thought, while everyone focuses on the mass invasion of “Muslims” into Europe, is anyone paying attention to the fact that this mass movement of humanity is rapidly depleting the Near East of its military age, male population able to resist Israel? Thus the Jew’s induced immigration policies for Europe has the usual Jew two-fer. (1) Destroy western civilization by assimilating anti-western people into European cultures (2) Remove potential opposition from the region Jews wish to dominate.
There are five major oil suppliers in the Near East: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait. Jews presently control all but Iran, either directly, as is the case with Saudi Arabia, or by proxy, as is the case with the other three countries. The “Desert Storm” fiasco brought Iraq and Kuwait under the control of the Zionist American proxy.
Thus, when Jews finally finish off Iran and bring it under Zionist control, Ersatz Israel will effectively control well over half the world’s readily accessible oil reserves. And the black-gold rule? Those controlling the oil reserves, control the world.
Iran may well be an all-or-nothing gambit. The Jew’s Zionist-American machinations will either deliver the entire region into the Jew’s hands or it will bring about utter destruction with another global war, this time nuclear. This is exactly the kind of “all or nothing” roll of the dice that excites the inveterate gambler to orgasm. And after all, who runs Las Vegas?
thank you, Arch.
Iudea est delenda.
@ lobro
@ Arch Stanton
I hope you have had time to read and digest my advisory comment posted above, In case you missed it, here it is again:
In regard to long, off-topic comments, see here:
Item #9,
https://www.darkmoon.me/site-policies-and-guidelines/
Arch –
You wrote:
“Mentally aberrant psychopaths have huge egos that require regular feeding. I have long maintained if anything brings about an end to the Jew’s culture dominance over western civilization, it will be due to their appallingly, arrogant chutzpah.”
I agree.
There is a Bleached-Blonde Buffoonish ‘Wrestlemaniac’ 🙂 in the oval office that fits that description…. and DEMANDS complete loyalty to him from his subjects. Comey dismissed his attempts there. He be gone..!! 🙂
Enough of this Trump is going to start WW3 crap. WW1 has never ended. We have been in a genocide that was started in 1917 and probably earlier. 100 plus years of murdering humanity for Profit Margins. Be sure to vote harder, pay your taxes, and…
The broad answer to Arnold benedict (? sorry, bad with names, already forgot and cannot look it up) and anyone who may have taken offense with my looong posts.
JB Campbell raised a very relevant, though it may be argued by some, off-topic issue, viz, American army and now also the police and various agencies torture people at will and murder them extrajudicially, in the best tradition of jews (bolsheviks, mossad, etc).
Well, isn’t that nice?
And what are we going to do about it other than pious squeals? or is this question off-topic, however blame Campbell for raising it, not me.
He advocates individual action or at best small guerilla outfits.
Far be it from me to criticize it, it is a responsible, brave, he-man act and i will be the first to salute it or even join if in my neck of woods.
But another issue remains, as i see it … how effective can one reasonably expect it to be?
Maybe as effective as that Filipino rebellion that Jimbo linked to – if well organized, which i am far from reassured about.
THIS concern occasioned my long posts that gave Arnold such indigestion.
And i argued, right (Flan) or wrong (Pat) that a truly effective action must be organized from the very top, as shown by the Stalin example, …
and Putin example, …
and hopefully, 4 years hence, Trump example.
Of course, there will always be people who think omelets don’t involve breaking eggs and will therefore forever be critical of trump’s every tiny pecadillo, thus saving jew the effort – why bother when the natives are eager to do the job.
maybe this is off-topic too, i don’t know, i am told that in germany it is now a crime to defend oneself against charges of holocaust denial, therefore this self-defense is incriminating by the fact of its existence.
@ Lobro
Congratulations. You have managed to create bad feeling and disruption of all meaningful discussion here by your arrogant contempt of Admin’s polite suggestion that all extremely long,
off-topic comments should be posted on a back thread.
What gives you the right to challenge Admin’s authority?
gombrich,
there happens to be an elephant in the room.
currently, the topic is his ass, although many people don’t realize that it belongs to this very same elephant.
I made a comment regarding his trunk and being a well brought up, polite boy, I excused myself for making an “off-topic” comment – but not really, gombrich, because the trunk and the ass are connected by, yes, you may have guessed it by now, that same elephant.
Arch stanton spotted the elephant, jb campbell got his elephant gun or as i am afraid, more of a pea shooter loaded and i tried to explain that there might be different approaches to pacifying this elephant that is wrecking the house and used Stalin by way of a working example.
The stalin posts were long because people’s awareness of historical continuity and causality is short.
Oh nooo … now the arrogant prick lobro is off, talking about elephants! where will it end?
It ends right here, as far as this thread is concerned, as far as i am concerned, i said what i said, the admin is always free to delete them all, i guess i got that “heliocentricity” seizure, you know, the shakes.
Lobro –
“Stalin example..”
Stalin had no “YUGE” Twitter or FaceBook accounts to manage the donations from ‘followers’ there… ‘Put-On’ and Trump do… and have smartphones.. Even Kremlin.ru – [ http://en.kremlin.ru/ ] – has Twitter and FB links.. Just like Darkmoon..!! 🙂
Stalin is not a relevant example to follow today..!! He is “BIGGLY” irrelevant..!!
America is feared and hated because it produces lovable war criminals such as Jimmy Stewart and Audie Murphy. Murphy killed 248 Germans and Italians and used to burst into tears watching newsreels of German orphans. Stewart killed thousands but his only remorse was for his fellow war criminals he’d ordered to fly. Decades later, he dropped bombs on Vietnamese civilians, so you can see what a brutal and screwed-up but typical American he was.
There has always been a mysterious and murderous aspect to us exceptional people.
America is feared and hated because it produces lovable war criminals such as Jimmy Stewart and Audie Murphy. Murphy killed 248 Germans and Italians and used to burst into tears watching newsreels of German orphans. Stewart killed thousands but his only remorse was for his fellow war criminals he’d ordered to fly. Decades later, he dropped bombs on Vietnamese civilians, so you can see what a brutal and screwed-up but typical American he was.
There has always been a mysterious and murderous aspect to us exceptional people.
“There has always been a mysterious and murderous aspect to us exceptional people.”
Exactly. What started with the genocide of the natives has basically never stopped. Even during the brief interludes when there was no open warfare going on anywhere, there was still aggression in other contexts, e.g., fomenting civil unrest and staging coups, assassinations, propping up dictators, arming and funding terrorists, economic warfare, etc.
I honestly don’t think there’s a satisfactory “worldly” explanation for it. Evil seems to be America’s raison d’tere; evil for the sake of evil.
I believe somebody recognized a long time ago that America, due to its size, location, natural resources, etc., could one day serve as a platform for world rule, and I believe it’s been constantly groomed for that ultimate purpose ever since it was founded.
Apparently somebody also believed in the existence of a supernatural spiritual force of evil, otherwise what’s the point of this: http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1040.html
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Not because of its content but because you continue to post under several names. You must use ONE name and stick to it. Every comment you post under another name will be deleted.
NO SOCK PUPPETS, understand?
I think Japan was fire bombed just like Germany but the Japanese were told ZOG had nukes so they would surrender because they would have fought to the last man for the Emperor.
Atomic Bomb Rumored To Be A Hoax, WW2 Newsreel Japan not Nuked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCoARMmyyb8
Americans have served their Jew Masters well for many generations. The only thing worse than being played the fool is remaining a fool.
Leaders who start wars should be put on trial and executed.
That would change things.
“US Guilty of Premeditated Murder of Civilians”… is the lingering results of the Doctrines Of Discovery in the mid 15th century by the Vatican criminals intent on stealing land wherever they could.
They admitted it…. after caught… ONLY after UN made an issue of it..!!
Sorry for getting caught:
Solemnity of Saint Joseph, husband of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Principal patron of Canada
March 19, 2016
Admission document:
http://www.cccb.ca/site/images/stories/pdf/catholic%20response%20to%20doctrine%20of%20discovery%20and%20tn.pdf
We never hear that….
….Doctrines of Discovery are USED and are very RELEVANT and have STANDING in courts TODAY..!!
People who want their land back “keep mentioning” it… TODAY..!!
Workshop on the Doctrine of Discovery and UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Washington DC, 25-26 June 2015:
[Discussion published by Alison Watson on Thursday, May 28, 2015]
https://networks.h-net.org/node/2718/discussions/70947/workshop-doctrine-discovery-and-un-declaration-rights-indigenous
Website: http://www.doctrine2declaration.org
“We are mindful that Catholics were complicit in these systems. While many of the priests, brothers, sisters and laypeople who worked in the residential schools served with generosity, faithfulness and care, the deeply flawed policies behind the schools, and the abusive actions of some of the personnel among them, left a legacy of suffering.”
Now they say the Church leaders were wrong…. Only it is centuries after the people were slaughtered and land was grabbed…. And beg forgiveness.
“As we ask for mercy from the Father of us all, we pray that we might find appropriate ways to deal with the waves of hurt and pain caused by members of the Catholic community in the past. We also pray that we might be instilled with the courage which filled Indigenous Peoples as they sought to find a peaceful way forward, and the courage which inspired those prophetic voices in the Church who stood in solidarity with Indigenous Peoples and spoke out against historical injustices, from Bartholomé de Las Casas, who half a millennium ago proclaimed the dignity and rights of the Indigenous peoples of America, to Pope John Paul II, who recognized and celebrated the dignity and beauty of Indigenous Peoples and cultures.”
”We acknowledge that many among the Catholic faithful ignored or did not speak out against the injustice, thereby enabling the violation of Indigenous dignity and rights. It is our hope and prayer that by naming and rejecting those erroneous ideas that lie behind what is commonly called the “Doctrine of Discovery” and terra nullius, we may better recognize the challenges we face today so that we may overcome them together.”
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The US was occupied and built by murderers..!!
ADMIN: OK, you have chosen the name “Nomad Rebel”. This is your name from now on. Not “Rebel”, not “The Observer”, not “The Who”. Just “NOMAD REBEL”. If you use ANY OTHER NAME, your comment will be deleted. We cannot let the same commenter use 40-50 names. This is not allowed on ANY site. Understand? And yes, you are “dumb as a rock’, if not dumber.
I must be as dumb as a rock , I never understood why you keep insisting that I use only one name. .Are you profiling posters in your site?, and opening files ,archiving and then analyzing ,is this how you make your money ,mining information is an industry by itself.
I always have my doubts and suspicions about this site ,and the people or entities behind it.
I have friends who are professionals in the internet technology and beyond , who told me that your website even though looks innocent and simple but yet use very sophisticated tools to track,record and
able to override and unmask proxies ,these tools are usually used by states actors.
tell me how you are so certain that I used many different names over extended periods of times
even I stopped visiting your site for extended periods of times on several occasions.
Don’t tell me that crap about writing style ,faulty grammar or wicked punctuation.
I wasn’t born yesterday !
go ahead and ignore this comment ,it’s fine with me , my satisfaction comes from the simple fact that you read it.
Nomad Rebel………aka .The Rebel
ADMIN: Your style and punctuation are so distinctive and idiosyncratic that I can see at once you are one and the same poster. It’s not rocket science. I recognize you at a glance every time you come back under a new name.
general patton’s statement to the colored tank driver, roughly – “i want you to shoot schools, hospitals, church steeples, old ladies, little kids. this is war boy”…
if you read iris chang’s (assassinated) book ‘the rape of nanking’ one thing you will understand, for whatever it’s worth – the japs were no better than anybody else when it came to brutally murdering massive numbers of innocent civilians.
that doesn’t let anybody else off the hook but it does help to explain the mindless mindset, which is – there are no good guys in war, only winners and losers.
and they say as well “war doesn’t prove who’s right. it only proves who’s left”…
things are worse now too with the whole video game drone warfare culture, cultivated in children by the chicago mafia pentagon wargame homicide simulator program.
war is all terrorism. anybody who takes part in it is a terrorist.
in his docu ‘the war you don’t see’ john pilger tells how the us’ long range bombers fly from ramstein or diego garcia with heavy bombs, which they drop on primitive afghan villages. hours later, after the survivors have grouped up somewhere nearby they will be located on the flir radar and another bomb will be dropped on them.
pat – it’s not bout the vatican begging forgiveness. if they wanted forgiveness they could give back the gold.
it’s about the destruction of the usa and the war on white people…
Bark –
Very true.
I could have mentioned many abominable criminal actions of popes and stooges.
However….
I did not want to DILUTE any position of the PHONY Christians in the VATICAN making a full ADMISSION of their actions and BEGGING and whimpering and whining like the weaklings they ARE…. to be FORGIVEN for their admitted CRIMINAL actions…. for the last 600 years.
THEY are the DREGS of mankind..!!
I wanted THEIR OWN words to be the main points…!!
http://www.cccb.ca/site/images/stories/pdf/catholic%20response%20to%20doctrine%20of%20discovery%20and%20tn.pdf
And all the while, the legal system of the United States continues to incorporate one of the most anti-Indigenous international doctrines in existence, and one that stands in stark contrast to the premise of the UNDRIP, namely the Christian Doctrine of Discovery.
https://www.doctrine2declaration.org/
The history of the Doctrine goes back to the 15th and 16th centuries and was developed to control and maximize European exploration and colonization in the New World and in other lands of non-European, Non-Christian people..!!
Boy, this is quite a topic for the Fourth of July! By the way, in San Francisco, where I live, there were hardly any fireworks tonight. Has it become politically incorrect to love America? Listen, I am proud to be an American! Liberty or Death!
Kendra –
If you had lived in the US last year… and not asleep from too much food and drink… you would know…fireworks ARE displayed on the night of the 4th of July… not on the preceding eve..
You can watch them tonight… if awake.. 🙂
@Pat
Thanks. I guess I’m a little paranoid these days. The fact is, I feel like a refugee living in what used to be my country. I can’t tell you how homesick I am. I wish I could go home.
Kendra.
I’m wondering what part of San Francisco you live in.
I lived there decades ago. How far has it actually gone?
The Barbaric War
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The U.S. war crime North Korea won’t forget
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In the Korean War, the U.S. demonstrated its willingness to attack Korean civilians in order to injure unidentified military partisans. In doing so, it violated international humanitarian law and provisions of the Geneva Conventions. Among illegal actions engaged in by U.S. soldiers and the U.S. command during the Korean War 1950-53 war were:
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Destruction of clearly marked hospitals and destruction of irrigation dams at Kusongand Toksan that provided water for 75% of North Korea’s food production. The Air Force at the time reported that the “subsequent flash flood scooped clean 27 miles of valley below”, noted the flood waters wiped out supply routes as well as villages, and acknowledged that the loss of the rice crop will mean “starvation and slow death.”
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Napalm attacks more widespread than those ultimately banned in Viet Nam 16 and carpet bombing destroyed 75% of North Korea’s cities and villages.
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The North Koreans and international delegations have documented introduction of chemical, biological weapons and infestations of plague-ridden insects, although the U.S. has not acknowledged these. Further, General MacArthur proposed using atomic weapons to decimate the whole of the Korean peninsula.
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The American planes had bombed the entire city multiple times in the Korean War and obliterated virtually everything in it.
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Indeed U.S. reports cite a general ordering a stop to the bombing of Pyongyang since “nothing worthy of a name” was left standing. A 1951 international women’s delegation reported U.S. bombers shooting fleeing civilians in the North Korean countryside.This has been verified by the work of the South Korea Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
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Such carpet-bombing of civilian urban areas is rarely prosecuted as a war crime. But it helps explain some of the near obsession with self-defense, a nuclear deterrent and the lingering memories of the war.
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http://www.uwpep.org/Index/KOREAN_WAR.html
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-war-crime-north-korea-wont-forget/2015/03/20/fb525694-ce80-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html?utm_term=.9cb3a1054ca1
Kevin –
The reason for the Korean War was not to win…. but to gather information to use against the West, and Americans in particular.
The information gathering process was called – ‘brain-washing’ – in order to keep secret it’s true nature and reasons for the mental breakdown and torture. “The Manchurian Candidate” was used as a type of mass brainwashing, itself, and masked the real reasons for the processes used.
A 71 page US Army publication which outlined the reason for the Korean War. It is Department of the Army Publication 30-101, 15 May 1956 – “Communist Interrogation, Indoctrination, And Exploitation Of Prisoners Of War.”
In there, it explained the reason for the Korean War was to capture US servicemen in order to find out **how and why so many different cultures came together in WWI and WWII to fight alongside each other against a common foe.
Once that was found out the unseen Pharisee-Jew Bankers could finance programs to undermine those reasons, starting with grade-school aged Americans. Then, everyone after a few decades.
The plan worked..!!
They found that ownership of private property,
business ownership,
strong family ties,
freedom of religion and speech,
and freedom to travel were high on the list of reasons.
Those reasons, which were not available in most countries, have been undermined and reversed.
(It continues right now. We cannot leave ‘Camp USA’ without proper papers.)
Hollywood jumped right in. Disney helped with the kids. MSM was flooded with enablers of turmoil. Teachers were programmed to produce mental slaves.
James Mattis 2017
U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis said, “civilian casualties are a fact of life in this sort of situation”, referring to America’s war against the Islamic State. And yet the fighting now in Mosul and Raqqa is destroying civilians and their homes on a medieval scale (Peter Van Buren, June 29, 2017 http://www.theamericanconservative.com/author/peter-van-buren, and darkmoon.me July 3, 2017)
James Mattis 2005
After being promoted to lieutenant general, Mattis took command of Marine Corps Combat Development Command. On February 1, 2005, speaking ad libitum at a forum in San Diego, he said “You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway. So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it’s a lot of fun to fight. You know, it’s a hell of a hoot. It’s fun to shoot some people. I’ll be right upfront with you, I like brawling” (Guardiano, John R. [February 11, 2005]. “Breaking the Warrior Code” (https://spectator.org/48978_breaking-warrior-code/). The American Spectator. Retrieved 28 January 2017.
So in : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mattis.
General James Mattis’ words in San Diego were also recorded by the daily newspaper La Stampa, Turin, Italy, February 5, 2005: “E’ divertente sparare contro gli afghani” (It’s fun to shoot the Afghans).
MAD ELINE AL ( NOT TO ) BRIGHT , ONCE TOLD A REPORTER ,THAT KILLING CHILDREN WAS “WHAT DO YOU CALL IT “, COLLATERAL DAMAGE , AND IT WAS UNAVOIDABLE .
AFTER THE WAR ( THE BIG ONE ) OUR PILOTS OVER GERMANY , STRAFED SCHOOL YARDS WITH KIDS PLAYING THERE.
WE WE WERE NEVER A GREAT COUNTRY ; TAKE A LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE OSAGE INDIANS , ; 1900 , ; THEY WERE LIKE THE CLAMPETTS , THEY STRUCK OIL , THEY WERE THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE PER CAPITA , THEN THE WEASELS BEGAN , STRATEGIC KILLINGS . THE FBI WAS FORMED AT THIS TIME , BY HONEST MEN , WHO WERE SHOVED ALONG BY EDGAR HOOVER , A POLITICIAN ;KNEW NOTHING ABOUT ACTUAL POLICE WORK .