US warplane shoots down Syrian army jet, Russia warns it will retaliate

US jets invade Syrian air space
in flagrant breach of international law

The US has confirmed that in an incident Sunday evening, an American F/A-18E Super Hornet shot down a Syrian government Su-22 bomber south of Tabqa, accusing the Syrian jet of having dropped bombs on Kurdish fighters in the town of Ja’Din.

The US has been increasingly attacking pro-government forces in eastern Syria, but this is the first time that they’ve shot down a manned Syrian aircraft, and the fact that it happened within Syrian airspace is likely to dramatically add to the tensions between the two sides.

The Pentagon argued that because they are allied with the Kurds they were free to attack the Syrian plane under the concept of “collective self-defense,” and added that they “will not hesitate” to take further military action to defend the Kurds, or other partnered forces, from future threats.

The Syrian Army said their operation was part of an ongoing push into ISIS-held territory, and that they view the US attack as a “flagrant” attempt to undermine their anti-ISIS operations. They added that the pilot of the destroyed plane is still missing after the US attack.

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Asked to respond to the shootdown of a Syrian fighter jet over Syria, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said the United States will protect its interests in Syria and will “do what we can” to keep open lines of communication with Russia and Syria.

“And so we’ve gotta do what we can to work with partners and we’re going to continue to keep an open line of communication with the Russians,” Spicer said at an off-camera press briefing Monday.

Spicer added that the U.S. wants to de-escalate the situation in Syria “but will always preserve the right of self-defense.”

“The escalation of hostilities among all of the factions that are operating there doesn’t help anybody,” said Spicer. “And so making sure that people understand while we want to de-escalate the situation there, that we have to understand that we will always preserve the right of self-defense.”

The Russian Defense Ministry earlier blasted the U.S.’s action as a “massive violation of international law” and said it will begin treating U.S.-led coalition jets flying west of the Euphrates River in Syria as targets.

It was the first time the U.S. has engaged in air-to-air combat in Syria, signaling an escalation of the conflict. It is is also the first time an American aircraft has shot down any other country’s plane in air-to-air combat since 1999, when a U.S. Air Force F-16 shot down a Serbian Mig-29 during the Kosovo air campaign.

Russia, which is backing the Syrian regime in the civil war, slammed the U.S. action as a violation of Syria’s sovereignty.

“Repeated combat actions by U.S. aviation under the cover of counterterrorism against lawful armed forces of a country that is a member of the U.N. are a massive violation of international law and de facto a military aggression against the Syrian Arab Republic,” the Russian Defense Ministry said.

The downing of the Syrian jet is the latest escalation between the U.S.-led coalition and pro-regime forces in the country.

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LD :  Here is a Fox News video (for US mainstream ‘fake news’ consumption) trying to justify the US attack on Syria. Basically, what the US is saying here is this:  “We gave Russia and Syria prior warning. So we had no option but to attack in self-defense when they refused to heed our warning to back off.”

Let’s translate this into simple school bully terms. This is like the bully telling his victim: “I’m going to attack you in 10 minutes. So I’m warning you in advance! If you dare to resist me in any way, I’ll beat the shit out of you in self-defense!”

This is how the US attack on Syria can be seen: and all this belligerence under a lying and duplicitous warmonger of a US president who had sworn repeatedly that the US would stay out of Syria AT ALL COSTS (see here, here, here and here).

VIDEO : 5.47 mins

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94 thoughts on “US warplane shoots down Syrian army jet, Russia warns it will retaliate

  1. “…Spicer added that the U.S. wants to de-escalate the situation in Syria “but will always preserve the right of self-defense…”

    A more Orwellian lie has never been spoken. This action will only lead to escalation, and the right of self-defense pertains in the first place to the legitimate government of Syria and not to the motley of terrorists called “rebels” that tries to destroy Syria for the sake of the infamous Israeli Oded Yinon plan.

    Russia, Iran and Hizbollah are in Syria on invitation of its government. The US is not. It is an illegal intruder in that country and has no business being there. Trump is now a 100% puppet of the Jews and definitely beyond redemption.

    1. @ Franklin Ryckaert

      Trump is now a 100% puppet of the Jews and definitely beyond redemption.

      I couldn’t agree more. Even debating this point with the Trump supporters is an exercise in futility. A complete waste of time. Everything you say in the above comment has to be blindingly obvious to anyone with half a dozen brain cells.

      1. Very good commentary here…
        http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/06/20/rush-war-syria/

        “… because of an American President who was elected on a pledge to stay out of Syria, stop funding radical Islamist terrorists in the region, and who often asked “Wouldn’t it be nice if we got along with Russia?”
        Trump has entered the upside-down realm of Bizarro World: he’s inverted most of his foreign policy positions. Instead of détente with Russia, we are pursuing a policy of confrontation. Instead of putting America first, we are putting Saudi Arabia first. Rather than concentrate on pulling this country out of the economic doldrums, the Trump administration is rushing headlong into yet another major war in the Middle East.”
        “Another factor to consider is the influence of the Israel lobby. Israel has been giving covert support to the Syrian rebels, and their spokesmen have openly preferred the Islamist rebels…”

    2. Not only Trump a puppet, but it looks like the complete military machine too. Do they have no conscience? These actions beg a military revolt. It is beyound my comprehension. Like a prostitute, who will do anything just for the money.

      I also read Trump, himself the man with German roots, warned Germany because they have a surpluss, and this surpluss is a threat to the US economy. Germany is a minerals poor country, and only lives on its surplusses (exports). He makes noises at Germany, which reminds me of an earlier age, which kicked of WW1 (Germany as the new economic kid onthe block, threatening British economic supremacy) and WW2 (New Deal, which only turned into a new deal when the USA marched out as the victor of this war).

    3. @ Franklin Ryckaert

      “Russia, Iran and Hizbollah are in Syria on invitation of its government.”

      China is also there providing medical supplies and services to the personnel of the above mentioned countries.

  2. I have never seen a more dangerously insane action than the current US belligerence in Syria. This is the price of slavishly serving Israel. The Cuban Missile Crisis was a reckless and foolish grandstanding act of brinkmanship, resolved by Russian maturity and forbearance and the eventual negotiated withdrawal of US missiles from Turkey and Russian missiles from Cuba. To expose much of the world to extermination to please Israel shows what a bunch of criminals run the USA. I’ve never felt the stab of treason so deeply since 9/11 and the Iraq invasion. Hollywood unreality is child’s play compared to the US mental sickness in it’s leadership. I hope the world will get out in the street and send a message to Israel and Washington that tolerance has surpassed it’s ultimate possible limits before it’s too late.

    1. “I have never seen a more dangerously insane action than the current US belligerence in Syria.”
      I don’t think this is “insane” rather it is a carefully planned agenda seeking what the Jewish community wants to accomplish.

      The average person, of course, knows nothing. Except what the TV tells them.

      Assad is a brilliant White man with a wonderful family. He has also spoken frankly about the Jewish community, so that and the water and other assets that Syria possesses is what Israel wants.

      As the Qur’an states, about the Jews, and as Jesus repeatedly said in the Gospels:
      And because of their breaking their covenant, We have cursed them and made hard their hearts. They change words from their context and forget a part of that whereof they were admonished. Thou wilt not cease to discover treachery from all save a few of them.
      5. al-Ma’idah: The Food 13

  3. Notwithstanding several posters here who believe nuclear weapons are a hoax, below I assume they are not a hoax.

    I just read a few articles about Russian policy towards nuclear weapons first use. It used to be no first use unless the motherland is attacked. Now it appears Russia has adopted early first use just to match the Americans.

    Recent events and statements from the Kremlin and other authoritative Russian sources strongly suggest that Moscow envisions nuclear weapons playing a significant role in a limited conflict with the West

    https://www.frstrategie.org/publications/notes/russia-s-evolving-nuclear-doctrine-and-its-implications-2016-01

    If Orange Clown’s ego is piqued by the downing of US planes we may get an early proof that nuclear weapons are indeed not a hoax, both in the Middle East and the Baltics.

    You may have a few days before this happens as senior advisor Baby Chabby is still in the Middle East.

    1. If nuclear weapons are indeed an issue, their presence is, nonetheless, a deterrent against any use of them in a strike – first or subsequent. More likely (and potentially more defeating and final) is a denial and interruption of electricity. It is a way to leave infrastructure intact WITHOUT decimation of its basic components. Any unwanted, surplus population will self-destruct.

      1. Hi Gilbert.
        I disagree.
        Nukes have been miniaturized and subsumed into the conventional weapon armory to be used when defeat is on the cards.

        Now it appears that both sides will use them for psychological reasons – to dissuade the enemy.

        Thus, what you seem to be missing is:
        “The generals are crazy and mini-nukes are their testosterone.”

    2. Flan –

      People like being scared. “BOO..!!” 🙂

      Hollywood can make a box-office scary movie HIT for peanuts.

      The ‘nuke weapon scary movie’ has been a Home Run since 1945..!!

      IT grabs eyeballs… even yours… Made ya look..!!

      (((THEY))) WIN…!! $$$$$$ “BIGGLY”…!!! 🙂

      1. Maybe, if Darkmooners are ¡LUCKY! maybe Trump will get so fed-up and exasperated being the president he will resign and step-down. Then you all can bitch and moan about Pence — another “opportunity” to cry your Darkmoon chameleon crocodile tears, lol.

      2. TROJ –

        We are living inside a ‘scary movie set’ out here.

        You are lucky to be in Chattahoochee State Mental Hospital in Florida..!!

        When it gets really rough…
        ….. they can cinch the jacket tighter for ya.. 🙂

      3. Thank you Pat for the pointers you gave on this subject matter from a previous thread. I will be following up.

  4. from a purely personal standpoint – what else remains, since there is no way of exerting any influence – best is to hang around geopolitically insignificant countries, outside NATO, EU, alliance of vassals, unmolested by “hate speech laws”, even some tribal stronghold like baluchistan is better than the dehumanizing chaos of california or sweden.

    america, in order to survive must start killing the killers, the “war on terror” should be translated to “war on warmongers“, since they are the germinators of all terror, they invented it as their preferred way of dealing with humans … used to be so proud of the phrase Red Terror, such a judeo-romantic sound to it.

    1. The term ‘developed nations’ should read ‘degenerate nations’ but even if living in a cultured nation one must still close off TV, cinema, Google, Amazon and Facebook.

  5. Germany to deploy soldiers from Incirlik after Ankara’s insistence to deny access.
    German authorities have considered several locations for the relocation including Jordan.
    Jordan is the only location named – it could be nothing – then again the whole incident could be deliberate – to bring in yet another player to help with the Syria problem – to take some of the focus off the US..

  6. There was much speculation that many if not most of the refugees entering the European Union from the Middle East & Syria – were all fit – healthy – men – with money for cigarettes – wearing descent clothes & not rags. That these men were fighters / terrorist – waiting for orders. It was said that they are seen withdrawing money from ATM’s on a daily basis – suggesting a salary of some sort.
    Q: Is war in Europe on the agenda somewhere down the track – is this the initial stage to war in Europe & the attempted take over of Russia.

    1. All sponsored by Wee Georgie Soreass. You forgot the state of the art Iphones…..yep, an invading army awaiting orders.

      1. Wig –

        That would be the ones with SorosNGOApp.butt… 🙂

        iPhones handed out already loaded… ‘Loyalty’ and ‘Rewards’ functions activated.

  7. KTG website – it is interesting to follow the financial wrangling in the EU – The 2008 GFC was said to be the cause of the financial crisis in the EU – It is 10 years later & the ECB is still looting the 28 EU Member nations – there never was a BREXIT – it was a stunt to warn off any attempt to leave the EU by the other 27 nations – Great Britain is still as filthy as ever it was.
    Is the EU Leadership – Vested Interests & the European Central Bank – looting the EU Member nations – striping the 28 member countries of all their assets – in preparation for a war in Europe ?

    1. Hello R DAVIS
      What is KTG?
      The invading morons consider assets as blonde virgins. By stripping of assets I assume you mean quantitative easing and shipping financial wealth back to the banks.

  8. The hate speech on this site has shocked me to the core. What has all this to do with Israel? Why do you people keep bashing the Jews all the time? Isis is our enemy, as it is the enemy of the US and Europe. The Jewish state is more than willing to lay down the lives of Jews in order to eradicate this evil Islamic skum that is planning world domination by Muslims. Donald Trump was right to ban these bearded sharia fanatics from the US. They have been banned in Israel also.

    Wake up, people! Trump and the Jews are not your enemies. They are your friends. Keep all your hate for the evil Muslims. Help us in Israel to get rid of the filthy Arabs who are lusting after innocent Jewish women and raping them in large quantities in the streets. At this rate, we will have to wear the burkha in Tel Aviv. It’s not fair.

    We Jews are against immigration as you can see. We let very few darkie skum into Israel. So why are you letting these people flood into Europe and America? Are you crasy?

    1. Many people in Israel are now supporting Donald Trump. We could all see he had tears in his eyes when he kissed the Wailing Wall. That’s all we needed as a sign.

      He has now sent his beautiful son-in-law to us. Ivanka is a lucky woman. I wish I could have him. I wouldn’t say no to such a man.
      Soon we will have more settlements and the Arab skum will have to go and live in Jordan or Lebanon. Or maybe we could put them in Syria once Assad has been kicked out.

      Wake up, people! Can’t you see Donald Trump is doing the right thing to attack Syria. We are all keeping our fingers crossed that he defeats the evil Russians who have no right to be there. Then we can expand a bit around the Golan Heights and maybe push into Lebanon up to the Litani River. We need water to survive. We need land so that more Jews can come here and settle. How can we have aliyah unless we have land?

      1. And what is the jew plan for the Christians in Syria, Svetlana? And what do you think about all the jews in ISIS , all the jews in ISIS pretending to be “Muslims”? And what do you think of the JEW Al-Baghdadi who is one of the main leaders of ISIS and he is a JEW. What do you have to say about that, Svetlana? And what do you have to say about the Islamic terrorist/Jihadists in Syria, when they get wounded, they’re taken to hospitals in your JEW Israel and nursed back to health by your FELLOW JEWS IN ISRAEL. What do you have to say about that? Do they make burqas big enough for big fat hefty jew cows such as yourself?

      2. @ Svetlana,
        I’m pretty new to this site. So I’m a little perplexed. Are your comments tongue-in-cheek?

      3. Another cheerleader for the ZOG! Great just what you Americans need. Of course, we Brits have no need to squawk since we have “The City” which finances most of the outrageous schemes via the American FED. The whole world is screwed. Drumpf, May, Merkel…and all the rest are Zionist stooges and it isn’t going to get any better.

      1. Why am I mocked? I was being serious, hoping for informed discussion with intellectual peers.

        Small chance of that, I can see, on a site which is the last refuge of anti-Semitic scoundrels.

        Evil skum! I might have expected this…

    2. @Svetlana

      Is this satire or are you really that ignorant ?
      In case of the latter :

      1) “…Isis is our enemy…”

      ISIS is a false flag terrorist organization created by the secret services of Israel, the UK and the US. Its purpose is to destabilize Iraq and Syria and create a pretext for military intervention. Syria is on the Israeli list for destruction. So far Iraq and Libya have been “done”, Iran and Lebanon (Hizbollah) are on the “to do” list. ISIS gets weapons and money from the US and Saudi Arabia, its fighters and those of other terrorist groups in Syria when wounded get medical care in Israel. See following picture :

      http://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/israhell-snake-visiting-terrorists.jpg

      So much for your “enemy”.

      2) “…We Jews are against immigration as you can see. We let very few darkie skum into Israel. So why are you letting these people flood into Europe and America? Are you crasy..?”

      We are not “crasy” but our politicians are controlled by Jews (by bribery and blackmail) and they promote mass immigration from the Third World into our countries in order to destroy us ethnically. All Jewish organizations in Europe, the US and Australia support this. There is even an Israeli “humanitarian” organization called IsraAid that helps so-called “refugees” reach Europe. See following video :

      https://youtu.be/f5p2zt0ne_4

      Of course Israel itself doesn’t follow such a self-destructive policy.

      3) “…The Jewish state is more than willing to lay down the lives of Jews in order to eradicate this evil Islamic skum that is planning world domination by Muslims…”

      When in history were Jews ever willing to lay down their lives for non-Jews ? As for “planning world domination”, I know a group that is engaged in that for ages and they aren’t Muslims…

      4) “…Help us in Israel to get rid of the filthy Arabs who are lusting after innocent Jewish women and raping them in large quantities in the streets…”

      I never heard about that. Perhaps you mean this :

      An Arab man was sentenced to 18 months in prison for having consensual sex with a Jewish woman while pretending to be Jewish : https://youtu.be/9u393XUEvuA

      But who is responsible for rape in israel ? https://youtu.be/rCfpnqKyhHY

      Or watch this : Top IDF Rabbi supported rape during wartime :
      https://youtu.be/afe2ip9xwbg

      Finally we have this in Israel :

      Slavery of young Slavic women in Israel (part 1) : https://youtu.be/4CJiUqn3VzM
      Idem part 2 : https://youtu.be/cWZygR1CC1I

      5) “…The hate speech on this site has shocked me to the core. What has all this to do with Israel? Why do you people keep bashing the Jews all the time..?”

      Yes, WHY…?

      1. Now that several of you say it, yes “Svetlana” is probably Zak in disguise.

    3. Svetlana,
      Evil Muslims are raping Jewesses in the streets? Where and when? Tell us. I, myself, am a rape victim. A fat, evil Jewess once pryed me with liqor at a bar and offered me a ride home. The next thing I know, during my intoxication, she straddled me and the rest is history. “Im” the eternal victim…..not you……

  9. It appears to be crunch time for both the US and Russia. Will the Russians actually shoot down an American fighter jet or are they bluffing? If they are bluffing, they might as well pack it up and go home to defend fortress Russia, leaving the rest of the world to the US hegemon. The crazies in the US deep state appear to be more than willing to see if Russia blinks first.

  10. OK, I will ask a good question but I only want an answer from someone who respects me and admits I have a right to exist. Otherwise, shut up! I don’t want to hear.

    Question: What will happen next in Syria? Will US planes and Russian planes soon be attacking each other? Or will each side only be attacking the other side’s proxies?

    Listen, a Syrian plane has been shot down! By an American plane. So what is Russia doing to protect Syria? NOTHING!

    So why is Russia there, supposedly to protect Syria, if it is NOT protecting Syria? Of what use is Russia to Assad if Russia stands by and twiddles its thumbs every time Syria is attacked?

    Wake up, people! Can’t you see that Russia is a paper tiger? It doesn’t have the guts to attack American forces in Syria because it knows America would wipe them out! Any attack on American troops in Syria would draw Israel immediately into the combat. 100 Israeli jets would rain down death and destruction on Damascus.

    Damascus would look like Dresden in WW2.

    I know what I’m talking about. My uncle is a major in the IDF. He says,
    “I can’t wait.” My aunt says, “He can’t wait.” I say, “I can’t wait either, but I’m waiting.”

    That’s what it’s all about, people. Waiting. Waiting for the Big Bang.

    Or is the whimper? Not quite sure.

    1. Svetlana –

      You asked:
      “What will happen in Syria?”

      Syria will be given to ‘Paper BEAR’.. Russia… as planned..!!

      Continuing a decades old policy… Trump, who supports Chabad, is helping Putin – a Chabad supporter – take control in the Mideast to further Russian oligarch control there….. and promote Chabad Noahide Law.

      –The aim of Zionist-Marxist Russia and Zionist-Marxist Israel and Zionist-Marxist US – IS – to PREVENT peace between the Arab countries and Israel until all the Arab countries are forced to adopt socialism-communism under Russian leadership..!!

      The New York – Moscow – Tel Aviv Triangle has been in play for more than 70 years..!!

      Israel and the Russians are ideological allies—both follow the ideas of Marx, so both are communist-socialist. Yet, the Russians supplied military equipment to the Arabs—Israel’s enemies; and at the same time, Russia’s FAKE enemy, the United States, was arming Israel.

      To understand the treachery which Zionist-Bolshevik Pharisee-Jews utilize, and to understand the treachery which is used, people must know about the New York-Moscow-Tel Aviv Triangle.

      A heavy migration of Jews from Russia to America started in 1831. Most of these were communist Pharisee-Jews. So many of these communist-Bolshevik Pharisee-Jews settled in New York City that it has been referred to as ‘Moscow on the Hudson’.

      Most major decisions regarding communist policies come not from Moscow, but from New York City. There is a close tie between the Zionist-Bolshevik Pharisee-Jews in New York City and the Zionist-Bolshevik Pharisee-Jews in Moscow, and extending to include the Zionist-Bolshevik Pharisee-Jews who dominate Israel’s government.

      The Zionist power over the US Government in Washington, DC stems from the Zionist-Bolsheviks centered in New York City. It is from New York that orders go out to the vast Zionist network all over the US. It is a network that influences the economic and political affairs of the US government, and all state governments, and the governments of the larger and even medium sized cities. This power of the Zionist-Bolshevik Pharisee-Jews over the US makes the New York leg of the New York-Moscow-Tel Aviv Triangle a tremendous influence over communist policies.

      The New York Federal Reserve Bank holds the main power in the private central banking system in the US.

      A PACT sealed the agreements in 1949.

      Representing Israel, Ambassador Golda Meir, a Bolshevik Pharisee-Jewess, met with two representatives of the Soviet Union: Kaganovich, a Bolshevik Pharisee-Jew and Stalin who had married a Bolshevik Pharisee-Jewess. They made a secret agreement—a pact.

      ISRAEL’S PART OF THE PACT WAS:

      1. Israel would not allow any Western country, especially the US to build military bases on Israeli territory.
      2. Israel would allow an official communist party to function freely in Israel.
      3. Israel would not make any agreement to solve the Palestinian problem.
      4. Israel would influence world Jewry, especially in the US to have Western Powers adopt a policy of favoring Israel over the Arabs.
      5. Israel was to continue its Marxist economic policies and prevent any free-enterprise tendencies.

      SOVIET UNION’S PART OF THE PACT WAS:

      1. The Soviets would institute a pro-Arab policy solely as a camouflage for its true intention, which was to furnish aid to the Arabs, but never enough to enable the Arabs to destroy Israel.
      2. The Soviets would open the gates of Soviet satellite countries to Jewish immigration to Israel. Should this be insufficient, Soviet Russia then would open its own gates to immigration.
      3. The Soviets would absolutely guarantee the security of Israel.

      ** Both the Soviet Union and Israel would exchange intelligence reports.

      From the terms of this pact, you can see it was, and still is, the aim of Russia and Zionist-Marxist Israel, aided by the US supporting ISIS, to prevent peace between the Arab countries and Israel until all the Arab countries are forced to adopt socialism under Russian leadership.

      The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel
      Written in 1985 by Jack Bernstein

      https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

      ……………..

      Russia’s strategic VISION for Israel (From a Russian – 2017)

      [ Dmitry Maryasis, Ph.D., is a senior research fellow at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences and at Skolkovo Business School’s Institute for Emerging Markets Studies. He also serves as a director general of the Russia-Israel Business Council. Maryasis, an expert in the economics and politics of contemporary Israel, has authored more than 50 research papers and the book “Innovation Economy Building Experience: The Case of Israel” (Moscow, 2015). ]

      A RECENT TREND in Russia is to consider itself a potential MAJOR PARTNER to Israel — a capable substitute, at least partially, for the United States.

      Having effectively “returned” to the Middle East, Russia is seeking to become a “fair moderator” in the region striving for its general stabilization.

      Moscow welcomes Israel’s stable relations with Turkey, Egypt and Jordan are positive spots in the overall unstable situation in the Middle East.

      **Political and military contacts between Russia and Israel are on the rise.

      http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/02/russia-strategic-vision-israel-iran-syria.html

      1. @Pat

        Your Jack Bernstein plot is no more relevant (if ever). Russia is no more a communist country and Israel’s economy is no more socialist. Putin is a master in “playing both sides”, but that doesn’t mean he is a puppet of the Jews.

      2. FR –

        You wrote:
        “Putin is a master in “playing both sides”, but that doesn’t mean he is a puppet of the Jews.”

        It doesn’t prove he is NOT being paid “BIGGLY” in much needed “YUGE” rewards in USD… as a puppet either..!!

        Good guess… Just as good as mine..!! BRAVO..!!!

        I like YOUR “(if ever)” guess also..!! 🙂

    2. Like in the case of the shooting down of a Russian jet fighter by Turkey, Russia is not going to risk a direct war with NATO or the US, but it will keep supporting Syria.

      As for “the right to exist” of Israel (or the Jewish people in general), evil has no right to exist. Stop being evil and you will earn that right.

      1. “…Russia is not going to risk a direct war with NATO or the US, but it will keep supporting Syria.”

        Russia won’t risk it (of its own volition), but Orange Clown appears determined to make it happen. And it seems to me that Russia’s risk avoidance strategy has had the effect of bringing the barbarians to the gates.

        I often ponder the question: Does Russia understand the true nature of the implacable evil that seeks to destroy it?

        On the one hand, the costly Russian re-armament and military modernization effort presently underway makes me think they do, but on the other hand, the apparent reluctance to arm Syria with effective air defense systems, the mild (IMO) reaction to Trump’s war crimes (e.g., the Memorandum on Air Safety in Syria agreement shouldn’t have been reinstated after Trump’s cruise missile attack), makes me wonder: What are they thinking?

        Perhaps Russia understands that conflict with the U.S. is inevitable but it’s stalling for time until it can deploy the “game-changing” weapon systems which are now in the pipeline? I don’t know, but my worry is that the Satanic cult running the West is determined to start a big war before Russia can deploy its next generation weapon systems.

      2. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        “As for “the right to exist” of Israel (or the Jewish people in general), evil has no right to exist. Stop being evil and you will earn that right.”

        Excellent!

    3. Svetlana,
      You find “girlie-boy” Jared Kushner attractive? A good catch? You are obviously deranged regarding your taste in men (not that Jared and man belong in the same sentence) as well as your World view. Forget about politics and World events. Find a hobby like painting.

  11. Zionists are causing the death of America by having America fight Israels wars and the Fed printing money to fund these wars.

    1. Patriot –

      Actually…..

      Zionists of ALL religions… are causing the death of the Middle-East by having America fight for Russia’s future ownership and control of oil there…. and the World Bank-IMF-BIS use London Pharisee-Jew Bankers’ schemes to fund these wars.

      ‘Put-On’ likes it:

      Putin Meets With Ethereum Founder To Create NATIONAL – VIRTUAL – Currency (can’t get enough USD..so…) 🙂
      June 12, 2017

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-12/putin-meets-ethereum-founder-create-national-virtual-currency

      “Ethereum has caught the attention of none other than the Russian president as a potential tool to help Russia diversify its economy beyond oil and gas.”

      Putin met Ethereum’s young founder Vitalik Buterin on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum last week and supported his plans to build contacts with local partners to implement blockchain technology in Russia, according to a statement on Kremlin’s website.

      1. While the West is watching ‘scary-movies’ with mushroom clouds…

        ‘Put-On’ likes ‘BLOCKCHAIN’..!! 🙂

        Russia Is Becoming a Cryptocurrency Haven

        After Years of Skepticism and Hostility to cryptocurrencies, Russia think it might be seeing the dawn of virtual gold rush.

        https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/russia-is-becoming-a-cryptocurrency-haven-58175

        “Over the last year, blockchain technology entered the real world,” says Pavel Novikov, the director of financial technology at Skolkovo, the Russian tech hub.

        Many companies that use blockchain raise money by selling digital coupons that can then be used to buy goods and services on their platform or saved as an investment.

  12. The same LUNATICS that lied the USA into the illegal war against Iraq and the illegal bombing and destruction of Libya are now pushing the US into destroying Syria for the glory of Apartheid Israel, then it will be on to Iran.

    Will Americans ever wake up and realize that these ME wars are being fought for Israel or will it take mushroom clouds appearing before they wake up?

    Guess not, since Israel’s bitch, the Pentagon, just shot down a Syrian drone that looked ‘threatening.’ Some one is wanting to set off WW III, that way they can crash the imploding stock market and instead of putting the blame where it belongs, on those TBTF Wall Street (((banks))) they’ll blame those damned Rooskies for the crash.

  13. Let’s see, Orange Clown brings in “HIMARS” multiple rocket launchers (which clearly portends war against the Syrian government and allied forces), shoots down a Syrian plane, and then talks about wanting to “de-escalate the situation in Syria”; seriously?

    The Jews’ (Orange Clown’s) strategy in Syria seems to be one of slow, steady, in-your-face-illegal-immoral-encroachment-and-escalation, while at the same time mouthing a steady stream of ever-more-insultingly-disingenuous BS about “[doing] what we can to work with partners blah blah blah…]”

    The aggression/outrageously-disingenuous-contradictory-soothing-rhetoric combo seems to be a trademark of the clownish Orange Clown administration which I first noticed regarding the evil clown’s bizarre posturing on Crimea, which went something like: “Russia has to give Crimea back to Ukraine (something Orange Clown knows Russia cannot do), but Orange Clown is nevertheless looking forward to much better relations with Russia”, or something like that.

    If a private person in this society acted the same way as the evil clown is acting on the world stage, society would demand the ultimate punishment or at least lifelong incarceration. In fact, the more I think about it, it seems evil clown Donald John Trump channels evil clown John Wayne Gacy.

    To quote Wikipedia: “Gacy became known as the ‘Killer Clown’ because of his charitable services at fundraising events, parades, and children’s parties where he would dress as “Pogo the Clown”, a character he devised himself.” Nice guy (or so it seemed at first). He enjoyed working with children while plotting murder.

    So evil clown John Wayne Gacy got the ultimate punishment, but evil Orange Clown Donald John-Wayne-Gacy Trump got the White House.

  14. PCR put up a piece on Orange Clown’s latest war crime:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/06/19/another-step-toward-devastating-war/

    Overall a good article with some good advice for Vladimir Putin, yet despite everything that’s happened PCR still apparently clings to the idea that Orange Clown actually had some good faith intention to get along with Russia in the first place, and he’s back to the ridiculous “military/security complex” euphemism and the profit motive:

    “Did the idiot US pilot do this on his own, a hot shot playing Top Gun, or was this a planned provocation of the military/security complex outside of channels to begin a conflict between the US and Russia that would prevent any possibility of President Trump reviving his goal of defusing the high level of tensions with Russia? A $1 trillion, 100 billion annual military/secuity budget paid by American taxpayers is at stake.”

    I agree 100% with PCR that the ruling Satanic cult is taking Putin’s serious wish to avoid war as a sign of weakness.

    “Little doubt that Putin is a moral leader who is opposed to war and wants the best for all countries. However, by sacrificing the advantage every time he gains it to the nonsensical idea of making an agreement with Washington simply conveys to Washington weakness. Washington thinks Putin is just another person who Washington can walk over. This is a miscalculation, and it will result in war. It would be much better if Putin layed down the gauntlet and made it completely clear that “if you want war, it will be there in 30 minutes.” Suddenly, Russia would be taken seriously.”

    Exactly.

  15. All of this posturing and play acting is for profits only. The theme and scheme is to ramp up spending… $$$$$ to increase the ONLY product of the Fed Reserve… D-E-B-T..!!

    ‘Put-On’ – Paper Bear – is not going to do anything. He hasn’t even pounded a shoe yet..!!

    Nikita would have worn out several pairs of Allen Edmonds by now..!! 🙂

  16. What a pleasure it is to read the well informed, accurate, and intelligent comments and responses of Franklyn Ryckaert and others today. My thanks and warmest wishes to the people and government of Australia who today announced a very sober decision to suspend Australia’s AF activity in Syria, opening the way for other governments to pursue a cooling off period from the most dangerous escalation we’ve witnessed in the neo con criminal agenda. Australia’s leadership is contrasted by Belgium and Germany – two Globalist monsters who have loudly proclaimed their commitment to further insanity by the deployment of military aircraft to Jordan, as well as the statement by a German official “that a European Army is inevitable”.

    The European armed forces today, with the possible exception of the AF component, resemble nothing more than Mussolini’s Army which resorted to poison gas in Ethiopia, defeated in Libya, who reacherously invaded France though militarily speaking were largely insignificant, soundly defeated in the insane invasion of Greece, and through lack of discipline and over reliance on German and Waffen SS effectiveness brutally destroyed in Russia. Take the Dutch in Bosnia – one wonders why they bothered. Take the Germans and others who safely drink beer while hiding in their fortified bases in Northern Afghanistan, occasionally caught in a mine or caught sleeping and slaughtered. Then they withdraw.

    The French army collapse in WW2 is noteworthy as well – not because the French or most any other European nation are bad fighters, but no one wishes to sacrifice all for the filthy Globalist – Zionist bosses we see today, much like the French, who had plenty of it in WW1.

    Then there is Israel’s shameful performance in Lebanon, which jailbird Ohmert and fugitive from justice Ms. Livni perceived as an easy and weak target. In their mad dog response to the frustration of their insane ambition they resort to killing UN personnel who were openly begging for their lives.

    Starting trouble is easy – dealing with the consequences may be impossible. Gilbert’s point about a simple but skilled denial of electricity will bring the whole sham house of cards down in a moment. Think about all those nuclear reactors…

  17. cool observation, Gil, given that the alleged jet took off from carrier Dubya Bush in eastern mediterranean and the flattop ended up running for cover in haifa after the act.

    well, here is my big, boring, rambling and shambling post for today, good enough for pro-trumper, i guess.
    Mostly quoted stuff

    A lot of what passes for comment is along the following structure: “jerk knee, then bark loudly”.

    For those wishing for more granularity, consider the following articles, one by Thierry Meyssan (credit to Noor at Snippits+Snappits who 1st spotted it) and the other by Mike Whitney (at CounterPunch).
    Here is Meyssan’s (he lives in Damascus, I think that the EU hounds are out to get him) Confrontation at Bilderberg 2017.
    Quite involved analysis of broader context but ultimately the game of GO is all about forcing through the various branches of the New Silk Road overland, while the old powers are out to cut and block the tentacles of Sino-Rus spread toward an independently connected world not run by the Jew.
    Of deep consequence is the Bilderberg decision to invite a Chinese representative to the meeting, quite a gambit on their part.

    Ambassador Cui, who was the Director of the Centre of Political Research for the Chinese Ministry for Foreign Affairs, might possibly be satisfied with the simple destruction of Daesh. But he is not unaware that the people who organised the Caliphate in order to cut the « Silk Road » in Iraq and Syria, and then the war in Ukraine in order to cut the « new Silk Road », are preparing, preventatively, to open a third front in the Philippines and a fourth in Venezuela in order to cut off other communication (sic) projects.
    From this point of view, China, which, like Russia, has an interest in supporting Donald Trump, if only to prevent terrorism in its own country, will be asking itself about the possible long-term consequences of British hegemony in the « croissant of political Islam ».[“croissant” sounds inappropriately appetizing, “crescent” might be safer]

    The one by Whitney kind of dovetails with Meyssan thinking and shows how the idiot US generals blew their hand, in light of which, downing a Syrian jet was an act of desperate spite.
    The Syrian Nightmare: No End in Sight

    On June 10, the Syrian Army blitzed across an arid stretch of countryside in southeastern Syria to reach the Iraqi border for the first time in three years. The move, which caught US war-planners off guard, prevents US-backed rebels from moving north from al Tanf to join the fight against ISIS in Raqqa and Deir Ezzor. More important, the move makes it impossible for Washington to achieve its broader strategic objective of consolidating its territorial gains into a contiguous landmass along the Euphrates River. Washington wants to control the eastern part of the country so it can continue its attacks on the regime while overseeing the construction of gas pipelines from Qatar to Turkey. The prospects of that plan succeeding are now greatly in doubt due to the surprise advance of the SAA.

    Aside from the humiliation of being caught flat-footed by a Syrian Army that has been battered by 6 consecutive years of war, Washington has allowed loyalist troops to seize a swath of land that splits US proxies on the ground and establishes a critical land corridor connecting Damascus to Baghdad to Tehran, a Shia superhighway that allows for the transport of commercial goods, people and weapons from east to west. Washington wanted to avoid that linkage at all cost, but simply wasn’t prepared to respond. Now any attempt to reverse the situation will involve crossing SAA lines which increases the probability of a direct confrontation with Russia.

    “No End in Sight” part relates to the said broader context discussed at length in the Meyssan article.

    1. @ Lobro

      cool observation, Gil, given that the alleged jet took off from carrier Dubya Bush in eastern mediterranean and the flattop ended up running for cover in haifa after the act.

      Garbage! It wasn’t a “cool” observation at all. It was a downright stupid observation. Unfortunately for you, the Americans have already admitted responsibility for the act.

      After several incidents in which US warplanes attacked Syrian pro-government targets, the US yesterday had its biggest attack, shooting down a Syrian Su-22 bomber inside Syrian airspace. The US insisted the attack was “collective self defense” meant to protect the Syrian Kurds.

      http://news.antiwar.com/2017/06/19/us-russia-and-iran-edging-closer-to-all-out-war-in-syria/

      So why would the US say it was an act of “collective self-defense”, thereby admitting they did it, if the Israelis did it?

      1. @ Lobro

        well, here is my big, boring, rambling and shambling post for today, good enough for pro-trumper, i guess.

        This is the third time you have referred to my previous comment with animosity and sneering contempt. I see I have made an enemy for life, and all for the crime of commenting on the quality of certain comments on another thread. Not for a moment did I suspect you would take such offense at my observations, given that your name wasn’t mentioned even once. In fact, I could have been referring to almost anyone.

        This is what I said, and I am at a loss to understand why my mild criticism should induce such intense anger in you:

        The bulk of the comments here come from Harold [Smith], and deservedly so. He has all the facts at his fingertips and knows how to argue his case like a skilled barrister.

        (Do you disagreee with that?)

        In comparison, I regret to say that the pro-Trump commenters have very poor literary skills and present their case abysmally. Their comments tend to be long and rambling, woolly and waffly. They make very poor advocates for Trump because their style tends to be slipshod and obscurantist. Terseness, clarity, coherence, these are not among their virtues.

        The reason they write so badly is because they have no facts to argue with. They can’t point to a single major achievement with which their disappointing hero can be credited. The great things they expected of Trump all lie in a mythical future. They will still love him when he has fallen flat on his face by claiming that, if only his enemies had given him a chance, their hero would have ushered in the Golden Age and made America the new Promised Land.

        It’s a good thing these woolly-minded wafflers are not barristers. They would lose every single case.

        It amazes me to think that these innocent words of mine should have driven you crazy with hatred for me. As penance for my sins, I’ll tell you what I will do.

        First, I will ask Admin to delete the comment you found so unbearable, even though you are not named in it even once. Obviously its disappearance will be the only thing that will help to restore your self-esteem and bring healing to your damaged ego.

        Secondly, I will leave this site now and never return. I should have stuck to grammar. That way I would not have caused such anger and hatred. There’s no point your asking me to stay or to pretend that you are quite happy with my presence here. I wouldn’t believe you. I know when I am hated on a site and that I have made a deadly enemy. And therefore I would prefer to go and post on some other site in a more friendly atmosphere.

        Everyone, goodbye! It’s been nice knowing you. Grammar Fiend now leaves this site in disgrace.

        @ Admin

        Will you please delete the comment in which I praised Harold Smith and said some rather hurtful things about the writing style of certain other unnamed commenters.

        Thank you.

        @ Lasha Darkmoon

        Good luck, dear lady, and may God bless your work.

      2. GF –

        I may be responsible for Lobro’s misapplied assumptions of your referencing him. I shall plead guilty.

        I have called him a “waffler” as many times as he has called me “mule-headed”…. and it is NOW embedded in our psyches. 🙂

        Hang in here. He knows not what he thinks…. Neither do I…. all in the fun of guessing around here.. We’re not that fragile…

        Give us a slap… 🙂

      3. GF –

        BTW –

        You’re not always correct, anyway…

        You wrote:
        “As penance for my sins, I’ll tell you what I will do.”

        You used “will” where it should be “shall”…. Ooops..!!

        Anyone can grade papers around here… 🙂

      4. Grammar Fiend: how about putting the shoe on the other foot? You said:

        Not for a moment did I suspect you would take such offense at my observations, given that your name wasn’t mentioned even once. In fact, I could have been referring to almost anyone.

        This is what I said, and I am at a loss to understand why my mild criticism should induce such intense anger in you

        To which I reply:
        Not for a moment did I suspect you would take such offense at my observations, given that your name wasn’t mentioned even once. In fact, I could have been referring to almost anyone.

        This is what I said, and I am at a loss to understand why my mild criticism should induce such intense anger in you.

      5. So, let’s carry this tune a bit further, Grammar fiend, since you opened up on the subject.
        It may be a mild criticism to you but maybe not to the one at the receiving end.
        Yeah, just give that trigger a mild pull.

        Ok, enough of that, I need to explain something else.
        Most of my writing is based on my belief that

        ***Things are not what they seem***.

        I hope that line passes your muster, Grammar Fiend, because once you realize that trying to bring to light the unseen dynamics that occasionally roil the surface is not a matter of clear, concise brevity, “go down 3 blocks, make a right until you see KFC sign”.

        Now, once I find that I am wasting words, breath and shambles because there is not even one receptive reader, I am out, because there are more enjoyable ways of wasting time than talking at a bunch of people who to the last man consider you a wanker.
        I can do this because I don’t have an employment contract with DM, my time is my own.

        You, collectively, have for the most part come to the realization that Jew has done you wrong, has done it for some time and you can point to the consequences.
        And you seem happy to leave it at that.
        You also, again, for the most part, think that what you see is what you get, Bang! Syrian plane goes down, Trump shot it down! No room for doubt because Trump’s daughter married a Jew, end of analysis.
        And 500 posters all chime in, saying the same thing in maybe 50 different ways.

        Volcano erupts and Elie Wiesel convinces the world that it is the earth itself belching in protest against antisemitism, most of the world buys it and gives him a Nobel prize for this observation.
        Ditto for the tsunami, earthquakes and so forth, everything has a very simple, direct explanation, don’t listen to Lobro’s disjointed, rambling verbiage that only confuses the issue, namely that symptoms are what they are, ie, a symptom is a reflection of itself, nothing more, a man has a persistent cough and rapidly loses weight because of wife’s lousy cooking.

        Meanwhile, let the tectonic forces of Kabbalah run their course, what you can’t see won’t hurt you.

        Moreover, the art of directing masses and individuals by means of cleverly manipulated theory and verbiage, by regulations of life in common and all sorts of other quirks, in all which the GOYIM understand nothing, belongs likewise to the specialists of our administrative brain.
        Reared on analysis, observation, on delicacies of fine calculation, in this species of skill we have no rivals.

        If the above paragraph doesn’t read clearly, don’t blame me for a change, because it is excerpted from the Protocol 5.
        All I try to do is get up to speed and follow Jew’s moves and those of his opponents, the ones that are likely to be conflated into a single Manichean bunch (God Jew is the master and creator of all, he directs every single event, good or bad to the ultimate end which is beyond our comprehension, so why worry about it, just obey the Law).

        I do believe I am out of space for a decent, legible post.
        ***Things are EXACTLY what they seem*** (LOL)

      6. @ Lobro

        I agree with everything you say in your above post about Grammar Fiend. I regard his comments as essentially petty-minded and mean-spirited, showing a total lack of understanding. He won’t be posting here any more, so you can relax. Even assuming he is correct about your posts being “long and rambling” — and I would seriously question that — so what? Many people have said that about Tolstoy’s “War and Peace”. This doesn’t prevent Tolstoy’s novel from being a masterpiece, does it?.

        I think you should have ignored his post and not taken it so personally. It really didn’t apply to you. You’ve had several excellent feature articles published on this site. That speaks for itself. You can certainly write well when you want to. Your article on Demonic Possession was brilliant. I doubt if Grammar Fiend could have written it. All he is good for is correcting people’s English.

        My advice to you is to continue posting here as before. You are easily one of our most outstanding posters. Where else would you go where you could enjoy such untrammeled freedom of speech? Nowhere. This is where you belong.

  18. For Svetlana: Truth-
    Jewish soldier’s orgasm: killing Palestinian children!https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2017/06/19/every-good-jew-hates-arabs/

    New Israeli Chief Rabbi: Okay to rape Arab women to boost morale!
    http://www.mintpressnews.com/new-idf-chief-rabbi-says-soldiers-can-rape-arab-women-wartime-boost-morale/218362/

    As Iran bombs ISIS, the U.S. downs a Syrian plane firing on terrorists!
    http://theduran.com/breaking-iran-launches-ballistic-missiles-terrorists-eastern-syria/

    Iran (our presumed enemy) boasts the second biggest Jewish community in the Middle East; Saudi Arabia (our presumed friend) prohibits all religions other than Sunni Islam.
    http://www.dw.com/en/jewish-life-in-iran-was-always-better-than-in-europe/a-38847143

  19. Article Update

    The downed Syrian pilot has been successfully recused after the SAA (maybe others too) fought their way in to get him.

  20. We must all remember, the copper top has given the pentagram authorization to act on it’s own (hasn’t it always).
    Does the copper top even know all the details of what’s going on in the Middle East? As TJ wrote in a prior correspondence, we are all on the river of no return. No matter what rivulet we take we will all end up in the same lake of fire. It’s all baked into the kosher cake. Pessimistic? Maybe so. But Spengler said that an optimist is a coward.
    Regardless if the pro-kosher comments are pure satire or not, they are damn funny either way.

    1. OJR

      Finally someone points this out.

      Russia will target every cowards warplane. The coward will electronically know they are being targeted. If coward lets off a missile it will mean certain destruction for him. But aggression will once again have been instigated by the US coward. The US has hidden behind their technology in warfare ever since WWII. Unfortunately for the US, now the world has widely caught up with them technologically and US armed personnel is mired in homosexuality, feminism, cronyism and obesity.

  21. OIL and MONEY..$$$$…. for Russia… and ‘Put-On’ in Syria.

    NO ‘mushroom clouds’ for the future…. More like ‘Google Clouds’ for iPhones for use in business and economic repairs in Syria.

    From the video in the article:

    “We need a global Marshall Plan…”

    https://youtu.be/if7-4gmtILc?t=157

    ‘Put-On’ said the same thing….October 27, 2016:

    ‘Put-On’ uses US words and plans as an example to explain his desires a few months ago – at VALDAI.

    “Colossal damage requires a long-term and all-round program, a kind of the Marshall Plan to revive this war- and conflict-torn region.”

    ‘Put-On’ urges a NEW Marshall Plan for Middle East to see recovery and growth..!!

    SOCHI, October 27. /TASS/. The Middle East needs a present-day edition of the Marshall Plan to see recovery and growth, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday.

    “It has been said more than once that this evil [terrorism] can be defeated only through polled effort of all world countries. Russia has offered that and is offering it to all of its partners,” Putin said at a meeting of the Valdai international discussion club. “Colossal damage requires a long-term and all-round program, a kind of the Marshall Plan to revive this war- and conflict-torn region.”

    http://tass.com/politics/909103/

    1. ‘Put-On’ will do what the UN tells him to do:

      ‘Put-On’ praised United Nations in Oct, 2016. He believes that humans have an impact on global climate change…. And environmental protection agencies (EPAs) are necessary…!! He believes in DIVERSITY.

      “Today it is the United Nations that continues to remain an agency that is unparalleled in representativeness and universality, a unique venue for equitable dialogue. Its universal rules are necessary for including as many countries as possible in economic and humanitarian integration, guaranteeing their political responsibility and working to coordinate their actions while also preserving their sovereignty and development models.”

      ‘Put-On’ added:
      “A decent future is impossible without environment protection and addressing CLIMATE PROBLEMS. That is why the conservation of the natural world and its DIVERSITY and reducing the human impact on the environment will be a priority for the coming decades.”

      http://valdaiclub.com/events/posts/articles/vladimir-putin-took-part-in-the-valdai-discussion-club-s-plenary-session/

  22. Regarding the following: any reference to the United States or any other Western country should be viewed as bounded within 6 brackets. What follows is also an amateur attempt to prepare some psychological tools of argument just in case Russia really does betray Syria and posters pop up to defend such a betrayal.

    West of the Euphrates

    “Moscow said it would treat any plane from the US-led coalition flying west of the Euphrates river as a potential target”

    I hope the Russian Federation is only referring to operational matters and not to a long-term policy, i.e. a partitioning of Syria. Is Russia preparing our minds for a Syrian Kurdistan?

    Russia states it is fighting to defend Syria to prevent it falling to “terrorists” (i.e. Zionist proxies) who will use it as a base to attack Russia. If Israel 2.0 pops up “East of the Euphrates” you can betcha’ it will be another breeding ground for such “terrorists”. Any acceptance by Russia of a partitioned Syria will contradict its stated aim of its intervention in Syria. Russia surely knows that these “terrorists” are US mercenaries; just as it surely knows that the Kurdish YPG/SDF forces are similar US proxies. ISIS cleared the way for a Kurdish “Syria-East-of-the-Euphrates”; this is why ISIS always moves when the Kurds show up.

    The elephant in this particular room is always Israel — a pachyderm brandishing a document in its trunk called “Oded Yinon”. Thus any acceptance of a partitioned Syria is defacto a Zionist action. Nothing more needs to be said on this bleedin’ obvious point.

    The real sophists will try to defend any Russian collusion in partition with the cry that “Russia could not prevent it; besides Russia was only defending its own interests, not Syria’s”. We can dismiss the second part of that lie by referring the sophist back to Russia’s stated intent, i.e. defending Syria is defending Russia. The first part is far harder to dismiss and that is the door through which a deluge of apologism for Russia will flood the forums (if the Russian Federation does indeed endorse partition).

    How to pre-empt the sophistry of the first part? I really don’t know. Russia has potent allies in the region, such as the SAA, Iran and Hezbollah — surely Russia could easily lead these forces to victory over the Zionist headchoppers? I really can’t buy the argument that the Zionists are invincible, not on the field of battle at any rate. Also note that Russia has always fought 2 steps forward and then one step back, e.g. the partial stand-down order, the recurrent ceasefires. Of course the sophist will then argue that this is all part of a clever propaganda campaign.

    Stating your only going to defend Syria “West of the Euphrates” sounds like a boon to the Kurds; and a piece of sophistry from Russia designed to fool the rest of us. The nuclear argument also has no place in this debate — if nukes exist, no-one will use ’em out of fear of retaliation. If nukes don’t exist then nothing will happen.

    So that’s it. My final, final post. You all know who will defend Russia if Syria is partitioned and I have consistently tried to lay the groundwork for defence against such hasbara nonsense. And that is what is will be — defending Russia’s role in any partition of Syria will be an act of propaganda on this site, not an example of free debate.

    You cannot say no-one tried to warn you. Adios.

    1. “…Is Russia preparing our minds for a Syrian Kurdistan…?”

      Only one quarter of Syria east of the Euphrates is inhabited by Kurds. See the ethno-religious map of Syria in Wikipedia :
      Ethnic Groups in Syria.

    2. Flo –

      Partition?? Russia is slated to get it all.

      Russia’s Pharisee-Jews and Israel’s Pharisee-Jews met earlier this month to determine how to divide the Middle East land, oil and $$$ pie…

      “Russian, Israeli diplomats discuss Middle East situation”

      MOSCOW, June 6. /TASS/. Russian Special Presidential Envoy for the Middle East and Africa, Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov….. and
      Deputy Head of the Center for Policy Research at the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs Benny Dagan
      …… have discussed the Middle East issues, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday.

      http://tass.com/politics/950017

      1. “Talking with” is not necessarily “conspiring with”. You still haven’t understood Putin’s master strategy of “playing both sides”. That is the way he attained power in Russia and could push through his reforms. That is also the way he conducts his foreign policy. If he were a puppet of the Jews (or the Chabad sect, as you believe), then why is he supporting Iran and Syria, both enemies of Israel ?

      2. FR –

        YOU invented “conspiring”.. not me. YOU made that up. 🙂

        I know I’m missing out on those dinners at the Kremlin.

        ‘Put-On’ does not confide in me NEARLY as much as he does with you…!!

        DAMMIT..!! 🙂

        He DOES confide “BIGGLY” with Pharisee-Jews at SHOWTIME and Oliver Stone, though…. BUT maybe less than he does with you. 🙂

        SEE:
        The scene, during which Putin demonstrates this footage to Stone, was included in The Putin Interviews documentary shown by the US TV Channel Showtime in the United States last week.

        http://tass.com/politics/952571

      3. @Pat

        I wouldn’t call this Buddhist half-Jew a “Pharisee-Jew” :

        “…Stone was born September 15, 1946, in New York City, the son of Jacqueline (née Goddet) and Louis Stone (born Louis Silverstein), a stockbroker.[3] He grew up in Manhattan and Stamford, Connecticut. His parents met during World War II, when his father was fighting as a part of the Allied force in France.[4] His American-born father was Jewish, although non-practising, and his French-born mother was a non-practicing Roman Catholic.[5] Stone was raised in the Episcopal Church,[6][7] and now practices Buddhism.[8]…”

        Wikipedia : Oliver Stone

        P.S. I just communicated with Putin by Skype and he says he is not amused by your insinuation that he is a puppet of the Jews. You’ll have to believe him on his word !

      4. FR –

        You are making things up… STILL..!!

        Or maybe you need to learn to read..!! 🙂

        I wrote:
        “He DOES confide “BIGGLY” with Pharisee-Jews at SHOWTIME and Oliver Stone.”

        “…and Oliver Stone.”
        “…and Oliver Stone.”
        “…and Oliver Stone.”

        I never called Ollie a ((( P-J )))… !! More inventions from you.

        ‘Put-On’ is “BIGGLY” – PUTTIN’ ON a SHOW…. with the Pharisee-Jews at SHOWTIME….!! Jealous of Trump. He’ll get a bleached wig before too long..!! 🙂

      5. Pat

        Why don’t you respond to FRs comment DIRECTLY? Give us your take on Putin playing both sides against the middle.

        One guess is as good as another, according to you. So why not speculate on THAT for a change?

      6. B-Hawk –

        For a change…??? I have done it quite often..

        I have bruises and bumps to show for it here.. 🙂

        I did not respond to that because I have stated that ‘Put-On’ is working 100% with the US to get control of all the Middle East…. since he cannot go it alone… He is instructed to use the ‘good cop v bad cop’ routine to accomplish the Pharisee-Jew Bankers’ goals….. UN Agenda-21.

        Putin praised Trump and UN Agenda-21 on November 16, 2016:

        “We are ready to do everything to bring back Russian-US relations on a sustainable development path. This would benefit both the Russian and the US people and would positively impact the overall climate in global affairs, given the particular responsibilities of Russia and the US in maintaining global stability and security,” Putin said.

        http://www.sputniknews.com/politics/201611091047237528-putin-trump-victory/

        Russia is a satellite welfare state of the US… obeying direct orders from London.

        You should know that about me by now. I have written that for over several years here. 🙂

        Also:

        More than half of exports of Russian weapons and military equipment in 2016 went to the Middle East and North Africa…. AS INSTRUCTED… acknowledged by Israel.

        June 21, 2017

        Over the past five years, the exports have either slightly dropped or increased, Rosoboronexport’s CEO Alexander Mikheev noted.

        http://tass.com/defense/952549

      7. Pat

        Your comments show a lack of sensibility that seem to convey Putin as a mere automaton who will dance to the tune of the pharisee masters every step of the way. But I see a man whose only concern is for the preservation of Mother Russia. If this means going along with the agenda to a certain extent is what it takes, then so be it.

        But if this were to cross over to TRULY threatening them, and not just the posturing we are currently seeing, then he’ll be compelled to draw an unyielding line in the sand, knowing that the threat is coming from bloodthirsty “khazareviks” salivating at the thought of yet another slaughter of Christians

      1. LD –

        More ammo for Flopot to deal with..

        This was stated by Putin in April…. HE KNOWS..!!!

        Shockwaves are reverberating around the Kremlin after an extraordinary meeting called by Vladimir Putin yesterday during which the Russian president said that

        “95% of the world’s terrorist attacks are orchestrated by the CIA,” and the St. Petersburg metro bombing must be investigated “with this in mind.“

        http://investmentwatchblog.com/putin-95-of-world-terrorist-attacks-are-orchestrated-by-the-cia/

    3. Flopot

      To conclude that this would indicate sophistry on Russia’s part may reflect not seeing the forest for the trees when you consider the possible workings of the “long game”

  23. Resources (oil-rich territory) are more important to THEM (counterfeit-Jews and their counterfeit-Israel) than people’s lives. Regardless of casualties, “the spice must flow”.

    The film DUNE (not the book) which is supposedly science-fiction, and visually is portrayed as such in the film, is, in reality, a TRUE story that is unfolding now and it is about GIBRALTAR – Gebal Tariq – The Rock of “The Night-Visitant” (in Arabic). . .

    http://JAHTruth.net/dune.htm

  24. Russian Military SECRETS… “SHOWTIME”…!!!

    ‘Put-On’ is showing Hollywood Pharisee-Jews what is going on in Russian military…. so he can become a “YUGE” TV star…. LIKE TRUMP..!! 🙂

    Kremlin dismisses reports of error in Syria operation video shown to Oliver Stone
    June 21, 2017

    “These are real materials of the Defense Ministry, a part of their report to the president, which the president demonstrated to Oliver Stone,” Peskov added.

    The scene, during which Putin demonstrates this footage to Stone, was included in The Putin Interviews documentary shown by the US TV Channel Showtime in the United States last week.

    http://tass.com/politics/952571

  25. Toby,
    I always liked Grammar Fiend and still do.
    I do not want to pursue this any further and want him to forget and move on as if nothing happened.
    AFAIAC (feel free to criticize the abbreviation 😊), nothing happened and after my 2nd Sarajevsko Pivo, it indeed didn’t.

    1. Well said, Lobro! Spoken like a true man. I don’t have to tell you that the heat in the kitchen here sometimes gets a bit frantic and we all need to roll with the punches. It happens on all sites where the monitoring is admittedly a bit substandard… like this one.

      Believe me, I understand your psychology. You don’t mind people disagreeing with you provided they do so politely and respectfully. What you are against is being needlessly dissed. Sly, underhand attacks; ad hominem gibes; trollish mockery and ridicule. This is what upsets you because it’s intrinsically unfair and you could do without it.

      Sadly, you’re going to encounter that here occasionally, since so many internet forums attract loonies of all kinds. We’ve had them here, many with serious personality problems. Right now we have a padded cell psycho posting on this site almost every day. I won’t mention his name in case it makes him set his cell on fire or start slamming the walls with his head! — but he has attacked you more than once, so you know who he is. 🙂

      C’est la vie…

    2. Maybe Grammar Fiend has to leave Darkmoon because the FBI is investigating him for what he said the other day about Trump [ “Trump should be executed” ]. It is ILLEGAL to threaten the president.

      I notice those Alt. media characters who want violence committed always encourage others to go out and be violent. They themselves sit home and encourage others to go out into the world and commit all kinds of violence. And if one is so stupid as to actually listen to them and go out and be violent, the Alt. media characters fomenting violence are NOT going to lift a finger to help you when you get arrested and thrown in prison.

      Does Grammar Fiend work out of HELLARY’s Clinton Foundation office? The office of George Soros? Or is Grammar Fiend personal secretary to Granma in Texas?

  26. Such is life in an occupied nation, one that has been taken over completely by Das Juden. They control the MSM, banking, Hollywood–notice how many of the movies lately always have a Russian speaking villain?–Congress, vast portions of our educational system and have many Court seats, including at least 3 on the SCOTUS. They’ve even have around 70 million Christian Zionists worshiping Israel and most of the Protestant churches stay mum about the mass-murder of Muslims and the Pope keeps his mouth shut or filled with little boy p******.

    As such, we are obliged to spend our last farthing and sacrifice all of our sons and daughters fighting for the glory of Apartheid Israel and if you dare ask why, you’ll be kicked off forums, blogs and banned from making comments, and be slimed as a Jew-hating anti-Semite, all for asking is this good for Americans?

    1. What the heck… After reading comments in a new format, I left DM to look up some stuff, came back and found the comments section had reverted to the older format. Is there some rhyme or reason to the commenting format, or is it luck of the draw?

      Anyway, just wanted to remark that the US Supreme Court now has at least four and probably five Jewish justices: Ginsberg, Breyer, Kagan, Gorsuch, and Sotomeyer (who is apparently a Marrano, as noted in Times of Israel when she has visited Israel). How does a “race” / religion that makes up less than 2% of the US population end up with > 50% of the seats on the Sup. Ct? That’s a rhetorical question, most DM readers are well aware how that happens.

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