A Debate on Demonic Possession by Darkmoon Commenters
edited by Lasha Darkmoon
These selected comments on exorcism and demonic possession are directed at the sceptics. At least two of our commenters claim to have had personal experiences of the Devil.
BY EVIL POSSESSED
ETHAN HUFF (by way of introduction) : An Ivy League-educated psychiatrist is convinced that there’s a growing epidemic of demonic possession in the world today, and that most everyday people now recognize the dark reality of this scary situation.
Dr. Richard Gallagher, who boasts degrees from both Princeton University and Yale University, says that, despite conflicting opinions within mainstream medical science, demonic possession is both real and rampant.
With 25 years of experience under his belt as a private psychiatrist that complements his two teaching positions at both New York Medical College and Columbia University, Dr. Gallagher believes he holds a unique vantage point in discerning between human and non-human, or satanic, behavior.
HP (aka “Homer”) : “They’re very, very smart,” Dr. Gallagher is quoted as saying about the beings that occupy the demonic realm. “The intelligence level of a fallen angel, which is what I call them, is far superior to human beings.”
There are many classes of demons in the Hindu pantheon. Indian sages have been discussing these esoteric matters for millennia. Thus it is written:
“Mother Yasoda was firmly convinced that she should protect her child from different kinds of evil spirits and ghosts: namely Dakinis, Yatudhanis, Kusmandas, Yaksas, Raksasas, Vinayakas, Kotaras, Revatis, Jyesthas, Putanas, Matrkas, Unmadas and similar other evil spirits, who cause persons to forget their own existence and give trouble to the life airs and the senses.
Sometimes they appear in dreams and cause much perturbation; sometimes they appear as old women and suck the blood of small children. But all such ghosts and evil spirits cannot remain where there is chanting of the holy name of God.”
(Krsna Book, Chapter 6, Classes of Demons)
LD : Homer is an American expert on Vedanta and Hindu metaphysics who has been studying this subject for decades. I have known him for many years and regard him as my mentor. While firmly rooted in the great Oriental religions, Homer is deeply sympathetic to Christianity and its fundamental moral precepts. He firmly believes that after his crucifixion, the risen Christ, still bearing his physical wounds, made his way to the Himalayas and settled in Kashmir where he spent the rest of his life teaching and dispensing wisdom.
MADAME BUTTERFLY : Thanks, Homer. Most enlightening! I had no idea there were so many different types of demon. Sitting on the bus and train every day, all I see is the demon-haunted eyes of my fellow passengers.
I wish I had the Magic Sunglasses to see if THEY LIVE! The demon faces behind the human ones.
Sometimes when I look at myself in the mirror, a demon looks back at me and snarls, “Why are you staring at me, bitch?”
It’s scary. I am afraid of looking in mirrors. I haven’t looked at one for six months now. At this rate, I won’t know what I look like soon.
I can’t even remember if I’m beautiful or ugly any more. Guess I’ll have to ask someone. I dread the answer.
HP : Madame B, by the sound of things you see well enough without the glasses. But we knew that…
MADAME BUTTERFLY : Flattery will get you somewhere! 🙂
SARDONICUS : Demons are much more than metaphors for evil people. They inhabit an unseen realm of their own, undetectable by 99.9% of the population. There are high frequency sounds, beyond the reach of the human ear, which can be heard quite distinctly by cats and dogs.
So it is with demons.
They can detected by others, either directly by sight and sound (called “hallucinations” by most psychiatrists and skeptics) or, as in LD’s case, by the sense of smell.
JOHN KIRBY : Mumbo Jumbo!
PAT : A belief in demons would require a belief in witch doctors. I dismiss all of that nonsense!
GILBERT HUNTLY : Pat – like Thomas Beckett said: “We really cannot argue that which will only become known after we expire. Physicals law tells us that for every action, there is a reaction. Likewise, I believe that for there to be Good, there must be Evil.”
How good and evil are manifested is a matter of perception. No one has the same perception of these phenomena. Some people are more “in tune” than others, seeing things that others cannot see.
KENDRA BLEWITT : Lately I have been reading the martyred Nazi philosopher, Rosenberg, who was martyred in that his only crime was his writing, yet he was hanged. According to Rosenberg, belief in demons has come to us from the inferior race and culture of the people of the ancient Near East. I personally find Rosenberg refreshing in many ways.
ARCH STANTON : “All truth can be tested” – Sufi saying
SARDONICUS : LD [Lasha Darkmoon] has had personal experience of demons for many years. Though she prefers not to talk about it, and never has in public, as far as I know.
Demonic possession, she once told me in an email, is exceptionally rare. But there are degrees of demonic possession, ranging from full possession (as in “The Exorcist”), to medium and low possession at the other end of the spectrum. Full possession requires an exorcist for a cure; medium possession, prayer and fasting — “This kind (of demon) cometh not out but by prayer and fasting”, Christ notes in the Gospels; and light possession, cured by regular meditation and constant vigilance.
LD has the “gift of smell”, a rare faculty analogous to the “Nose” in wine testing, whereby those who are possessed by demons can be detected by being literally “sniffed out”. They emanate an unmistakeable odour, a sickly sweet smell like the smell of burning tyres. Or sometimes like rotten eggs laced with honey or molasses. It’s always a “cloying” smell, she tells me. Sweet but sickly.
GILBERT HUNTLY : John Henry Newman preached the most beautiful piece of prose I have ever read, and William Peter Blatty featured it in his book The Exorcist. I had the good fortune to meet Blatty at a Georgetown party one evening, and he told me he incorporated part of Newman’s sermon into his novel for that very reason. I had committed it to memory when I was in high school. For any of you who have read it, you will understand. I will not recite it here, but the gist of it is the never-ending renewal of life, a perpetual struggle between Good and Evil.
SARDONICUS: I wish Gilbert had given a link to this “most beautiful piece of prose” or Newman sermon he is referring to. Never mind! Perhaps he is referring to the most beautiful Christian hymn ever written, a hymn so outstanding that even Mahatma Gandhi, a Hindu, would keep quoting it all the time — particularly the line: “One step enough for me.” In other words: “Let’s take each day as it comes, one step at a time. I’m referring to Newman’s hymn, originally a poem written in 1833.
The classic poem came to Newman in a burst of inspiration while he was travelling in Italy as a young priest and fell so desperately ill that he was unable to continue his journey for three weeks. In his own words:
Before starting from my inn, I sat down on my bed and began to sob bitterly. My servant, who had acted as my nurse, asked what ailed me. I could only answer, “I have a work to do in England.” I was aching to get home, yet for want of a vessel I was kept at Palermo for three weeks. I began to visit the churches, and they calmed my impatience, though I did not attend any services. At last I got off in an orange boat, bound for Marseilles. We were becalmed for a whole week in the Straits of Bonifacio, and it was there that I wrote the lines, Lead, Kindly Light, which have since become so well known.
This poem, Lead Kindly Light, later to become a world-famous hymn, is highly relevant to any discussion of demonic possession because it was written by a demon-haunted man at a highly sensitive moment of his life:
Lead, kindly Light, amid the encircling gloom,
Lead thou me on!
The night is dark, and I am far from home,—
Lead thou me on!
Keep thou my feet; I do not ask to see
The distant scene,—one step enough for me.
I was not ever thus, nor prayed that thou
Shouldst lead me on:
I loved to choose and see my path, but now
Lead thou me on!
I loved the garish days, and, spite of fears,
Pride ruled my will: remember not past years.
So long thy power hath blessed me, sure it still
Will lead me on;
O’er moor and fen, o’er crag and torrent, till
The night is gone;
And with the morn those angel faces smile
Which I have loved long since, and lost awhile.
Suffice to say that Newman would have had no problem believing in demons and demonic possession. He had his own demons, as Dostoevsky was to have later. Indeed, one of Dostoevsky’s greatest novels was called “The Demons”, otherwise translated as “The Possessed.”
Ed: And now the star comment of this series, written by a man who has actually had personal encounters with the demonically possessed and moved in exorcist circles:
UNGENIUS : I happened to remember that I had commented on casting out devils four years ago on the Darkmoon site, so I am reposting it again with appropriate date changes. During 2012, I investigated casting out devils. Being a follower of the teachings of Jesus, my investigation was in the Gospels. From that investigation, I learned the following:
1. Jesus only spoke of casting out devils in general, not of casting out the devil, Satan.
2. Jesus cast out devils in person and without the person being exorcised necessarily present.
3. Jesus did not pray to cast out a devil, he commanded it to leave.
4. Jesus told us to cast out devils in our fellowman.
5. It must not be difficult or requiring elaborate instructions to do this, since a man not associated with Jesus and his disciples was casting out devils using the name of Jesus.
6. If a devil is not cast out with a command, the person attempting to cast out a devil needed to pray and fast. Obviously, this was to increase the faith of the person commanding the exorcism ceremony.
7. The person possessed by a devil or devils displays symptoms of wanting to do bodily harm to themselves like cutting themselves or falling into a fire.
8. Permission of the possessed person is not needed before casting out a devil(s).
During June of 2016, I encountered a woman that witnessed a devil being cast out of her mother. She said she saw it leave. I wanted more informational detail from the person that did it. The woman refused to give me contact info on the woman that did the casting out until I read the woman’s book about how to do it. Jesus’ words of “give freely that which is freely given” came to mind.
Shortly afterward, I did bring up the topic of casting out devils on my weekly conference call with fellow Christian truth seekers (one being a biblical scholar), but did not learn anything that I did not know from my investigation four years earlier. The biblical scholar said that he believed that everyone has a devil. A point I rejected, given that Jesus did not cast any devils out of his Apostles.
During October of 2016, a friend and I were discussing possessions by a devil. This friend is the same one that raised a man from the dead in the middle of a church sermon in the presence of medical witnesses in 2012. I asked him why he was asking and he said he thought that a friend of his might be possessed. He said that she was scratching herself to the point of bleeding in reaction to bugs that did not exist. He also said that his friend had lead a life of sex, drugs, and alcohol abuse all of her adult life, that he had known her since she was a child, and that they had kept in touch throughout their life.
He said that she has spent three months living in his house after becoming homeless, but that she had relocated two hours away. They continued to stay in frequent contact after she relocated. He said that she was suffering from constant headaches, back pain, and digestive problems to the point of being miserable. His attempt to perform a healing on her did not work.
We discussed him casting out a devil from his female friend. I told him everything I knew about it from my investigation and assured him that he could do it with a verbal command using Jesus’ name. That same evening, he prayed to the Heavenly Father for increased faith, and then commanded:
“Jesus, remove all devils from (her name) and cast them into Hell!”
The next day, his friend called him and said that something totally unexpected had happened. She awoke from sleep and all her pain was gone. She also said that all she wanted to do after waking was to pray, which she did.
Apparently, a person possessed by a devil also has health problems.
Since my first post on this topic in 2016, I have not discovered anything that would alter my perception.
LD : An outstanding comment in every way. This deserves the widest possible circulation. I have never personally seen a demon in my life, but my mother has: a demonic entity haunting our house in East Dulwich, London, when I was in my teens. He used to show up at odd times, lurking on the stairwell or on the landing, grinning horribly through the yellow stumps of his teeth and with a distinct harelip, often dribbling at the mouth and cackling inanely. My mother even had a name for this disgusting creature: “Harelip”.
“Harelip” suddenly left the house when an eccentric lodger living on the top floor was removed to a mental institution. I’m sure “Harelip” was this weirdo’s personal demon. What became of the man? I have no idea. I know only this, from many experiences over the years: if a demonic realm does not exist, the world makes no sense whatever. We sometimes need Satan to pitchfork us into God’s arms. Many reach Mons Mysticus, the Mystical Mountain bathed in eternal sunlight, only after passing through the Valley of Darkness.
The great French poet Charles Baudelaire said it best: La plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader qu’il n’existe pas. — “The devil’s finest trick is to persuade you that he does not exist.”
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