Could American dissidents one day face extraordinary rendition to Israel and be tortured legally in Israeli prisons?

Criticize Israel?—Cause distress to a Jew anywhere?—
And wind up in an Israeli prison?—or be executed?

by Tom Mysiewicz

Abridged by Lasha Darkmoon

IN AN  ISRAELI  PRISON

Max Boot and other Jewish neoconservatives have long argued that mere criticism of Israel, or anything Jewish, is anti-Semitism. Even the goyish George W. Bush gave his blessing to this theory at the May 18th, 2004 meeting of  AIPAC. And now, it appears the Trump Justice Department is taking up where Bush left off and allowing the trial of a U.S. “hate” criminal in Israel—an accused Jewish provocateur said to have made hundreds (perhaps 2000) bomb and other threats to U.S. synagogues , legislators, organizations and individuals in 2016-17.

On February 28th, 2018 the U.S. Department of Justice announced the indictment for hate crimes of Michael Ron David Kadar (19), a dual-loyalist U.S.-Israeli citizen. The indictment followed a joint FBI-Israeli National Police investigation, not long after Kadar’s loosened leg shackles allowed him to briefly escape custody following an Israeli court hearing. He almost got away.

“The indictment…is part of a broader nationwide fight against hate, terror, and threats in all of their forms,” explained Jessie Jessie K. Liu, U.S. Attorney for D.C. While not stated in the indictment, it’s my belief Kadar was betrayed by his large Bitcoin (BTC) wallet. Bitcoin transactions are easily traceable by national and international intelligence and police agencies.

Kadar is currently charged in three U.S. jurisdictions: Florida, Georgia and Washington, D.C. However only the indictment from the Middle District of Florida charges Kadar with hate crimes as a result of threatening calls to Jewish Community Centers in the state beginning on or about Jan. 4th, 2017, and continuing until Feb. 27th, 2017. The Feds allege Kadar made multiple calls involving bomb threats and active shooter threats. This Florida indictment charges Kadar with attempting to obstruct the free exercise of religion at the Jewish Community Centers when he made the bomb threats and active shooter threats.

Michael Ron David Kadar, a Jewish American, is said by his mother to be autistic and to have a brain tumour. This apparently explains why he should threaten Jewish institutions in US with multiple bomb threats.  

The threats now attributed to Kadar were first blamed on so-called Neo-Nazis and white supremacists supposedly fired up by the victory of “Pepe” and Trump. These false-flag threats inspired new calls for expanded hate-crime legislation and censorship. While I do not generally subscribe to the views of Dennis Prager, he does make the slightly overstated (but generally valid) point that 90% of the post-election bomb threats to synagogues and Jewish organizations may have been from Kadar and the remaining 10% of these threats and attacks–blamed on whites–were made by a disgruntled black journalist.

As yet, no apology has been made to the wrongly-accused white community.

In fact, the ADL even doubled down on the hate-crime meme after the revelation the false-flag terrorist was Jewish—possibly taking a gamble that Americans are truly too stupid to notice. In a press release, ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt said “…these threats were acts of anti-Semitism and deserve to be treated as a hate crime…They targeted Jewish institutions in order to stoke fear and anxiety, and put the entire Jewish community on high alert.”

It is claimed this alleged paid Jewish provocateur and owner of a multimillion-shekel Bitcoin (BTC) wallet – Kadar – is a dual national with Israeli citizenship, allowing his trial in Israel for offenses within U.S. jurisdiction. Would that logic hold for a Russian accused of poisoning a double agent in the UK? Would Russia have a right to try such an individual in Russia by nature of his dual Russian-UK citizenship?

In any case, while Kadar may be guilty of many of the charged crimes, he is clearly not guilty of the hate crimes—which require proof he intended harm to the Jewish organizations because they were Jewish. Nor did his claimed autism and brain tumors stop him from accumulating substantial wealth in excess of $500,000 in the course of his alleged hate crimes. A quote attributed to Kadar’s father makes my point:

“To all the Jews in the United States, I want to convey an unequivocal message. We are very sorry, from the bottom of our hearts….We are good Jews, we do not hate you. There was no hatred here…He was motivated solely by the disease.”

Kadar’s mother was quoted in the same source as stating: “When someone has a brain tumor, in the middle of their brain, there is no reason, there is no logic, there is a dysfunction.” This view echoes that of Kadar’s Israeli lawyer, Shira Nir, who apparently seeks to get her client medical treatment in Israel rather than jail time.

No disrespect intended but I disagree with his father who reportedly also has brain tumors yet works in the Israeli-advanced-electronics sector, nor do I agree with Kadar’s mother.

Kadar was not motivated by insanity but by money. He may have hated ordinary Americans but he certainly did not hate American Jews. He reportedly even had a price schedule for bomb threats and other services, including framing up innocent individuals as the perpetrators. He was reportedly paid quite well for providing these services, hence my classification of him, if convicted, as a provocateur for hire.

Remember that Jewish organizations in the U.S. and overseas directly benefitted in terms of increased funding resulting funding resulting from Kadar’s alleged false-flag threats. They had been facing large Federal budget cuts to their security funding. In spite of this (or perhaps because of it?) organizations like the ADL curiously continue to insist he is a “hate criminal” and even demand Kadar’s extradition to the U.S. to face trial! It is virtually certain Israel will not do this as I believe their real goal is to try him for these crimes in Israel.

Case closed? An important question remains: with easy cases on a variety of ordinary criminal offenses, and knowing Kadar was Jewish and Israeli, why did the Trump Justice Dept. commence proceedings to begin prosecuting Kadar for US hate crimes?

Some speculate this is a Trump “white hat” crackdown on false-flag Jewish terrorism. I disagree. The indictments were pursued with full knowledge that Israel will not extradite him to the U.S., even if he is convicted in absentia here. And why are Jewish organizations so supportive of prosecuting a fellow Jew instead of simply covering for the perpetrator as is commonly done in cases where the provocateur is careless enough to be caught? Almost always in such cases pleas are made for compassion and therapy for the poor guilty party. Not this time.

My alternative view is that someone is trying to set a precedent.

Kadar didn’t take any physical action against U.S. Jews but only made threats. He’s a U.S. citizen who technically committed crimes in the U.S. and yet may be tried in Israel. Which should interest non-MSM bloggers considered “enemies” by Israel and Jewry. A harsh new law, proposed by Israeli Communications Minister Ayoub Kara, could even see reporters and journalists who criticize the Israeli government over their treatment of Palestinians, for instance, face the ultimate penalty: execution in Israel for alleged “crimes” committed by non-Jewish American citizens in the U.S.

In 2014 Benjamin Netanyahu’s pushed through an official redefinition of the State of Israel—as the national home of the Jewish people worldwide—asserting the right of Israel to try any non-Jew it alleged had committed an offense (such as a so-called hate crime) against any Jew anywhere in the world.

Israel is the only country in the world without a constitution or national boundaries making it a natural candidate for this type of despotism. 

In a nutshell, thanks to the myriad of “hate crime” laws passed in Europe, Australia, Canada and the U.S., the proposed official redefinition of Israel’s status paves the way for the extradition and trial of critics of Israel in Israel. By Israeli Sec. 13 definition, criticism of Israel, Zionists or any Jew anywhere in the world can be criminal if a Jew anywhere in the world claims such statements caused, say, emotional distress or mental problems.

The Kadar bomb-threat case, which may set a precedent regarding future trials of foreign nationals in Israel, could not come a moment too soon for Netanyahu, who is himself facing prosecution for corruption.

While the deck is stacked against defendants in U.S. courts, the system of Israeli jurisprudence is light years beyond that. The accused is guilty until proven innocent and much of the law is based on old British law as it existed in the Palestinian Mandate before 1948. Jewish religious teachings do not recognize the testimony of non-Jews as having any legal merit. Torture is frequently employed in Israeli prisons. Prisoners can spend several years waiting for trial. The defenders appointed for non-Jewish prisoners are often incompetent, intimidated or “suicidal.” Convictions can result in the death penalty for non-Jews. And even if acquitted by miracle in some higher Israeli appeals court, the defendant can be threatened and have the remainder of his life ruined.

This abridged article can be read in its entirety here

34 thoughts to “Could American dissidents one day face extraordinary rendition to Israel and be tortured legally in Israeli prisons?”

  1. Jewish chutzpah, arrogance and duplicity know no bounds. This is that “shitty little country” where teenagers are armed with automatic weapons and use them to murder Palestinian children with head shots.

  2. “Could American dissidents one day face extraordinary rendition to Israel and be tortured legally in Israeli prisons?”

    Yes. It may be possible if they were jews with dual citizenship.

    It is not such a great benefit anymore to AUTOMATICALLY hold that status from birth. HA!!

    1. It doesn’t really matter if the torture is done in Israel or Thailand. Haspel won’t care either way. She has a history of not caring and covering it up:

      New CIA chief ran Thailand’s secret waterboarding site
      14 Mar 2018

      Haspel ran a secret CIA detention facility in Thailand codenamed “Cat’s Eye” but better known as Detention Site Green. Two suspected members of the al Qaeda militant group were subjected to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques at the facility.

      Three years later, still during Bush’s presidency, she helped carry out an order to destroy videotapes of the waterboarding at the Thai site….

      Such facilities are called “black sites” because their existence is unacknowledged by the US government.

      https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1427606/new-cia-chief-ran-thailands-secret-waterboarding-site

      1. Pat,
        That torture was carried out under the Thaksin regime, which was deposed by the military and that is why Thailand is currently under assault by the Western NGO’s NED and other agitators! At least in Thailand one is not subjected to the mental torture of holocaustianity! And as an ex-cop I can tell you that in most countries of the world cops use the “third degree” on people. I’ve met cops from all over the world and one of the main topics of conversation is how to “question” people without getting caught or leaving marks. That’s why I cannot understand why the CIA and the clowns at Abu Ghraib were so moronic as to film themselves torturing people. Duh! Believe me I learnt quite a few methods of questioning people without leaving marks or nearly drowning them. Waterboarding is an incredibly clumsy and crude method of interrogation. Although I had a Eurasian friend, now deceased, who was subjected to the water torture by the Kempetai when the Japs occupied Hong Kong during the war.

      2. Waterboarding is as American as apple pie and the Phoenix Program!

        The Phoenix Program (Vietnamese: Chiến dịch Phụng Hoàng, a word related to fenghuang, the Chinese phoenix) was a program designed, coordinated, and executed by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), United States special operations forces, US Army intelligence collection units from the U.S. Military Assistance Command, Vietnam (MACV—the joint-service command that provided command and control for all U.S. advisory and assistance efforts in Vietnam), special forces operatives from the Australian Army Training Team Vietnam (AATTV),[1] and the Republic of Vietnam’s (South Vietnam) security apparatus during the Vietnam War.

        The program was designed to identify and destroy the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam (NLF or Viet Cong) via infiltration, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination.[2][3][4][5] The CIA described it as “a set of programs that sought to attack and destroy the political infrastructure of the Viet Cong”.[6] The major two components of the program were Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs) and regional interrogation centers. PRUs would kill or capture suspected NLF members, as well as civilians who were thought to have information on NLF activities. Many of these people were taken to interrogation centers and were tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on VC activities in the area.[7] The information extracted at the centers was given to military commanders, who would use it to task the PRU with further capture and assassination missions.[7] The program’s effectiveness was measured in the number of Viet Cong members who were “neutralized”,[8] a euphemism[9][10] meaning imprisoned, persuaded to defect, or killed.[11][12][13]

        The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had “neutralized” 81,740 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters, of whom between 26,000 and 41,000 were killed.[14][15]

        Reported torture
        Methods of reported torture that author Douglas Valentine wrote were used at the interrogation centers included:

        Rape, gang rape, rape using eels, snakes, or hard objects, and rape followed by murder; electric shock (‘the Bell Telephone Hour’) rendered by attaching wires to the genitals or other sensitive parts of the body, like the tongue; the ‘water treatment’; the ‘airplane’ in which the prisoner’s arms were tied behind the back, and the rope looped over a hook on the ceiling, suspending the prisoner in midair, after which he or she was beaten; beatings with rubber hoses and whips; the use of police dogs to maul prisoners.[20][22]

        Military intelligence officer K. Barton Osborne reports that he witnessed the following use of torture:

        The use of the insertion of the 6-inch dowel into the canal of one of my detainee’s ears, and the tapping through the brain until dead. The starvation to death (in a cage), of a Vietnamese woman who was suspected of being part of the local political education cadre in one of the local villages…The use of electronic gear such as sealed telephones attached to…both the women’s vaginas and men’s testicles [to] shock them into submission.[23]

        The reported torture was carried out by South Vietnamese forces with the CIA and special forces playing a supervisory role.[24]

        Targeted killings
        Phoenix operations often aimed to assassinate targets, or resulted in their deaths through other means. PRU units often anticipated resistance in disputed areas, and often operated on a shoot-first basis.[25] Innocent civilians were also sometimes killed. William Colby claimed that the program never sanctioned the “premeditated killing of a civilian in a non-combat situation,” and other military personnel stated that capturing NLF members was more important than killing them.[19][26][27][28] Lieutenant Vincent Okamoto, an intelligence-liaison officer for the Phoenix Program for two months in 1968 and a recipient of the Distinguished Service Cross said the following:[29][30]

        The problem was, how do you find the people on the blacklist? It’s not like you had their address and telephone number. The normal procedure would be to go into a village and just grab someone and say, ‘Where’s Nguyen so-and-so?’ Half the time the people were so afraid they would not say anything. Then a Phoenix team would take the informant, put a sandbag over his head, poke out two holes so he could see, put commo wire around his neck like a long leash, and walk him through the village and say, ‘When we go by Nguyen’s house scratch your head.’ Then that night Phoenix would come back, knock on the door, and say, ‘April Fool, motherfucker.’ Whoever answered the door would get wasted. As far as they were concerned whoever answered was a Communist, including family members. Sometimes they’d come back to camp with ears to prove that they killed people.

        Source: Wikipedia

        The Kosher Wikipedia left out waterboarding, but I was amazed to recently see a “live performance” of it in none other than Ken Burn’s epic whitewashing of the Vietnam War. Burns conveniently left out the part about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident being a false flag and a BIG FAT JEWISH LIE to get America into the war.

        Here’s the live performance of the waterboarding scene in question: https://youtu.be/gOEImhfIUIU?t=2772

        PS

        Ken Burns came into prominence in the early 1990s with his film about the American Civil War, which was widely praised because — now that I’m Jew-wise and in hindsight with 20/20 vision — he conveniently left out the fact that that most uncivil Civil War was just another Rothschild Jew Banker Production.

    2. Pat, I’d check the law books on that one. The International Criminal Court (ICC) which the U.S. is not a signatory to routinely tries people of varying nationalities for crimes against humanity. Because it’s not a signatory, the U.S. would not extradite people like G.W. Bush and Dick Cheney for trial in an ICC court. In light of the relationship (if one can call it that–much like the relationship of a prostitute with a pimp) with Israel I seriously doubt that a citizen of the U.S. and not an Israeli citizen also would be immune from extradition. Yes you could fight extradition. How deep are your pockets? If you’re a U.S. citizen only and commit a crime in Australia or the UK and many other places yes, you will be deported.

      1. Tom –

        Thanks for the reply and reminder.

        “…I seriously doubt that a citizen of the U.S. and not an Israeli citizen also would be immune from extradition.”

        I would not bet against you, there.

        BTW – I always appreciate your work… such as:

        Omnibus Spending Bill: The Locusts are Winning

        “This massive investment is vital to the safety and security of Israel and will help save countless lives in the future.” Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. quoted by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA)

        https://buelahman.wordpress.com/2018/03/24/omnibus-spending-bill-the-locusts-are-winning/

  3. It doesn’t really matter. All the Anglo-Saxon countries and most of the EU are de facto Jewish States and even if one is not subjected to physical torture, one still suffers mental and spiritual torture from being forced to endure inane regulations, media brainwashing and watching one’s language, beliefs and culture corrupted, denigrated and defiled by the hideous Frankenstein’s monster that is Western government.

  4. this is a great article
    why?
    because it lets you all know how brave palestinians are when facing these animals…
    palestinians carried AND CONTINUE TO DO SO fedayin and jihadi operations against the jew monster in such an spectacular way that should make everyone in the planet jealous..
    but what do slaves all over do?
    they call us terrorists!
    keep being a jew lover
    keep loving
    Dustin hoffman and Weinsten who make millions out of stupid americans while secretely Exposing THEMSELVES to Minors and screwing goy girls,
    keep loving them.
    KEEP HATING THE HAJEES AND THE TOWEL HEADS
    KEEP MOVING EMBASSIES
    YOU ARE DOING JUST FINE!

  5. I’m waaay more concerned at being jailed and tortured right here in the U.S.
    Solitary confinement is torture. So is beating people and denial of medical treatment, all of which, despite the hand wringing exposes on individual cases, is hardly an uncommon occurrence and with a little encouragement can also get real common, real quick (aka) SOP..

    1. HP
      You’re absolutely correct. I met a couple of NYPD who told me it’s a regular thing in NYC, particularly during “Guiliani Time”. And I once met an Aussie cop who asked me to teach him how to speak with a heavy South African accent, which he regarded as one of the most intimidating he had ever heard.

      1. Such as….boy, bring me some ice for my gin quickly or I will tie electrodes to your testicles…… 🙂

      2. Wiggins! In South Africa in the old days Blacks were never called boy. They were called a far more derogatory term “kaffir” and it’s much more offensive by a power of ten than the N word! Houtkop is another one, it means woodhead!

      3. Felix –

        It is not prudent to use “kaffir” anymore. Hate-speech deserves renditioning in S Afrika…. HA!!!

        In South Africa, “kaffir” was loosely used to refer to native South Africans.

        It was adopted as a derogatory term after 1948 when the Apartheid system was established. Under – crimen injuria – the epithet “kaffir” has been – actionable – in the justice system of South Africa since 1976.

        In 2000, the South African parliament also enacted the Promotion of Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act, which has among its primary objectives the prevention of hate speech terms such as “kaffir”.

        When describing the term, the euphemism – the “K-word” – is now often used instead of “kaffir”.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_(racial_term)

        Thanks for the good word.. I might use it around here. 🙂

    2. Read “Murder By Injection: The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America” by Eustace Mullins, page 308: “…The journalist quoted one convict, who was deliberately burned on both arms, “The pain was pretty bad”, and mentioned other prisoners who had been injected with live cancer cells. Despite the fact that this story, written about inmates at Ohio State Prison in Columbus…”

      The “pigs” did the same thing to me….I’m dying from Third Stage Class B malignant melanoma and Giant Cell Tumor (GCT). The good news is, the conspiring doctor died from leukemia and is spending eternity in hell.

  6. Kadar’s mother was quoted in the same source as stating: “When someone has a brain tumor, in the middle of their brain, there is no reason, there is no logic, there is a dysfunction.” This view echoes that of Kadar’s Israeli lawyer, Shira Nir, who apparently seeks to get her client medical treatment in Israel rather than jail time.

    LMAO. 😆

    Newsflash: All Jews have a brain tumor in the middle of their brains. They call it CHUTZPAH!

  7. I would like to make a sincere and heart-felt apology to all Jews World-wide and especially in Israel for any inflammatory anti-semitic posts that Ive made as a Darkmooner over the last 2 years. Ive suffered from brain tumors (as well as circumcision) since I was a child and this has severely affected my judgement………no tequila involved. I beg your forgiveness rabbis. 🙂

  8. This could happen and may happen as the U.S. gov is completely controlled by Zionists and congress could just as well be called the lower house of the Knesset and Trump the vice president to Netanyahu. What ever Israel wants from the U.S. gov Israel gets so criticize Israel and end up in an Israeli prison, it very well could happen.

  9. “My alternative view is that someone is trying to set a precedent.”

    That’s very plausible. Especially when you look at the “big picture”: Teflon-Don-The-Con-Man-And-Aspiring-World-Ruler-Puppet* seems to be preparing for a big war in the Mideast, while Google/Youtube cracks down like never before on politically incorrect speech (I am now completely banned from making any comments, even reply comments, on any youtube channel where the subject matter is news, politics, Biblical prophecy, etc.), while the war against the second amendment escalates, etc. The boot on our necks is bearing down harder now, as it must, if they are to seek fulfillment of Isaiah 14:13,14.

    *Origin of the name Donald:
    Anglicized form of the Gaelic Domhnall (world ruler), which is thought to be derived from the primitive Celtic Dumno-valo-s (world mighty).

    http://www.babynamewizard.com/baby-name/boy/donald

  10. Extradition next?????

    It Begins: Florida Police Now Confiscating Guns From People With No Due Process

    Broward, FL — In what’s being called the first gun confiscation of its kind in Florida, police have taken four guns and a couple hundred rounds of ammunition from a 56-year-old Lighthouse Point man. The man was not tried, had not committed a crime, and the guns were solely removed because “experts” deemed him a threat.

    The guns and ammunition have been temporarily removed from the man under the state’s new “risk protection” law, which is also sometimes called “red flag” legislation, Lighthouse Point City Attorney Michael Cirullo confirmed, according to the Sun-Sentinal.

    “We know it’s the first case of its kind in Broward County and we think it’s the first one in Florida, under the new law,” Cirullo said. “Up until the introduction of this law last week, there was no process for us to protect the public in this kind of situation.”

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/begins-florida-police-now-confiscating-guns-people-no-due-process/

    1. Pat –

      This is illustrative of how IMPORTANT it is that quality candidates be elected to the offices of county sheriff and district/county attorney. Those two constitutional officers are the only “authorities” who can “legally” nullify such legislative blunders (by declining enforcement). Otherwise, we are left to resort to nothing but violent, lethal opposition – or go to the slaughterhouses like docile sheep!

      1. Excellent observation. We have a fairly judicious sheriff. He even expressed doubts about Sandy Hook. Many areas in the East and upper Midwest don’t have this form of elected law enforcement. An example of a bad sheriff? Scott Israel. Not surprising in light of the Broward (((electorate))). Mexican law enforcement has a curious way of dealing with warrants they don’t approve of. They may act on them…but it might take 20 years of procedure first!

        The real fly in the ointment might be a state of martial law. In that case, zog authorities might try to supercede local enforcement.

    2. The school shooting in Florida is a scam , false flag, just like Sandy Hook, and David Hogg is a crisis actor who graduated from high school in California in 2015 and is a total fraud, there is more info coming out every day about this scam by the deep state, to take our guns away.

      1. Fortunately, there are enough guns in the hands of Americans to make it quite a chore for the assholes to try gun confiscation – and enough demand for ammo to keep someone in the business of manufacturing it.
        The ammo issue keeps the AR-15s and the 7.62s in popularity, too. Likewise .22s and 9mms. Of course, the ammo will be easier to regulate, but I get the impression from my contacts with the industry that Joe Public is awakening to the infractions of our (((enemies))). What you are NOT seeing on MSM is the increasing demand for weaponry. It’s happening!

      2. For the “skinny” on Parkland, see the Parts I and II of Get the Guns at this author page. Part II takes apart the narrative piece by piece and highlights some curious connections with Ft. Hood, the “laboratory of mass shootings”:

        http://www.renegadetribune.com/author/tom/

        While I don’t write on Renegade Tribune anymore, there are useful articles by me there (such as the above.) Hogg’s father is believed by some to have gone to work for Cubic Systems after running LAX security for the FBI for 15 years. Cubic is a CIA contractor and trains operatives in unconventional warfare. I believe mass shootings (real or simulated) are considered one tactic of unconventional warfare. There is some dispute about the foul-mouthed little punk’s alleged CA yearbook, so I’m not sure he graduated there. Hogg’s mother used to be a program director for CNN. Many of the “kids” of Parkland have received the equivalent of a silver spoon–they’re set for life as revolutionary spokespersons (they hope–there is no statute of limitations on treason.)

        BTW: At one time I was an award-winning newsletter journalist.

      3. Pat, Tom –

        I know you two are correct in your assessments, but I am hearing more optimistic chatter, now, than just a few years ago. Demand will fuel supply (like it does in everything), and right now, demand is GROWING – despite the efforts of little worms like Hogg & Friends. I do a pretty fair measure of gun trading, and I notice an overwhelming trend towards more “black guns” among the populace. Besides, there are, still, millions of good ol’ blue steel n’ black walnut 12 ga., 30-30, and 30-06s out there to make a difference, too!
        I don’t feel whupped, yet! 😀

      4. Gil –

        You are correct. And ‘zip guns’ and bows will always be around. 🙂

        Also:

        You can mail order a black powder revolver and not need to mess with BATFE Form 4473 or the NICS check, but don’t get caught carrying it without a permit if your state requires one for deadly weapons. Or, for that matter, even dangerous weapons, such as a blackjack, sap, baton, Taser, or the like. If you get caught with any of those but not having the permit to carry it, 30 days in jail is a fairly common outcome. You also don’t want the misdemeanor conviction on your record since they’re so commonly checked by potential employers these days!

        https://www.quora.com/Do-you-require-a-license-to-carry-a-black-powder-revolver

  11. Pat, I’ve always considered a man who’s never had a misdemeanor to be a somewhat suspect citizen. (lol)
    Gosh, no littering, disturbing the peace, fishing without a license, simple assault, DWI, illegal fireworks, illegal drag racing, trespassing, bounced checks and on and on and on.
    Sheesh, do we even want that guy on our team?!

  12. HP–maybe someone like that is just real smart and careful and not a puss. In that case, that’s exactly what you’d be looking for! Hotheads can be dangerous or provocateurs or police informants. Reckless people running off half cocked allow the full level of force to be directed at a single point. That hasn’t turned out well so far.

    My first question would be, if I’m a puss (implied) why isn’t [fill in the name of hothead] out there kicking ass RIGHT NOW? What is he/she/it waiting for? That’s a valid question. I don’t think I’m wrong to assume more information is needed.

    i’m neither encouraging nor discouraging armed resistance, although I can’t see how it’s going to be avoided with unresponsive, fake political candidates (all of them) and suppression of free speech. JFK had something to say along those lines. That being the case, I suggest anyone so inclined watch the many YouTube videos on the fighting in Donbass region of the former Ukraine. Because that’s how it’s going to go down here if and when it does come to that. Including the type of weaponry resistors will have to deal with. In other words, you would generally be dealing with weapons of superior firepower and would have to develop tactics to deal with those. The enemy will also stop at nothing–while accusing YOU of being a terrorist and war crimes. (Stalin had NKVD units dress up as German military and go around committing atrocities to whip up popular support!) Look at Iraq and Libya–electrical systems, water systems, hospitals, trains, mass transit, etc. destroyed to create maximum civilian suffering. THAT is (((warfare))) today.

    I’m a speed reader and used to read one or more books a day until my eyes started getting weaker. May I suggest for starters Che Guevara’s La Guerra de Guerillas (Guerilla Warfare)? Never mind his politics–just a practical account of everyday warfare and tactics. (He eventually did get his ass shot up pretty good!) Then there are several very useful U.S. Army TMs (technical manuals) and FMs (field manuals.) Some can be downloaded free (maybe at a library computer?) as PDFs. Others can be obtained cheaply at Surplus stores.

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