Russia As a Cat: My Response to Paul Craig Roberts

By Andrei Martyanov
The Unz Review

RUSSIA  VS  AMERICA

“However demonic, however destructive, however devious, however deserving of being strangled Russia is, the brute fact is that we cannot kill this bastard without committing suicide.”  —  Graham Alison


Before I proceed in addressing some issues that Paul Craig Roberts raised in his article, partially addressed to me and Andrei Raevsky (aka Saker), I want to express my profound admiration for Dr. Roberts and his courageous civic position and his real, not for show, American patriotism. It is an honor and a privilege to be engaged in conversation with such an esteemed person, even when I disagree with him in some aspects of geopolitical reality when related to, the now official, Cold War 2.0 between the United States and Russia, and Russia’s posture in this conflict. Dr Roberts writes:

As I have made the same points, I can only applaud Martyanov and The Saker. Where we might differ is in recognizing that endlessly accepting insults and provocations encourages their increase until the only alternative is surrender or war. So, the questions for Andrei Martyanov, The Saker, and for Putin and the Russian government is:

How long does turning your other cheek work? Do you turn your other cheek so long as to allow your opponent to neutralize your advantage in a confrontation? Do you turn your other cheek so long that you lose the support of the patriotic population for your failure to defend the country’s honor? Do you turn your other cheek so long that you are eventually forced into war or submission? Do you turn your other cheek so long that the result is nuclear war?

Here is where I and Paul Craig Roberts differ dramatically on the issue of Russia’s strategy.

Yes, I agree with Dr. Roberts that, quoting William Fulbright, “words are deeds and style is substance insofar as they influence men’s mind and behavior”. But while insults and provocations are unpleasant and in some cases do influence mind and behavior of some, with modern day Russia it is different. I already laid out some basics of Russia’s strategy here at Unz Review, I will expand a bit more in answering Dr. Roberts’ undeniably valid question.

The 19th Century classic Russian fable writer Ivan Andreevich Krylov, among many outstanding fables, which Russian children are subjected to in their Russian Literature course and carry them into their adulthood since the early 20th century, has one which describes current geopolitical reality perfectly. The fable is The Cat and The Cook in which the Cook, after having had it with his day and escaping to the tavern, leaves his cat to guard the food (chicken) against mice. As the fable goes, upon his return from tavern he sees all the results of the cat “guarding” his chicken–the cat finishing eating it. The cook breaks into shaming the cat–most of the fable is the cook’s monologue about cat (Vas’ka) being bad, arrogant, irresponsible and evil. The closing lines of the fable sum the situation succinctly:

But, while he kept talking,
The cat ate up the whole chicken.

А я бы повару иному
Велел на стенке зарубить:

Now, I would tell this kind of cook,
And would ask him to write this on the wall…

Чтоб там речей не тратить по-пустому,
Где нужно власть употребить.

To make your speech less a waste,
You’ve got to use your power.

And here is the point–the United States cannot use this power against Russia without being annihilated itself, while Russia, as this proverbial cat Vas’ka continues to eat, against the background of a loud talk and nothing more.

This reality, in a very both desperate and powerless manner, finally dawned on many in Washington.

As Graham Alison notes:

However demonic, however destructive, however devious, however deserving of being strangled Russia is, the brute fact is that we cannot kill this bastard without committing suicide.

This is some progress in 2017, finally, when “esteemed” members of American geopolitical “academia” begin to grasp at least some limitations of their, grossly inflated to start with, power.

This IS the progress, once we recall where the world was even in 2013. Despite wiping the floor with globalists’ stooges from Georgia in 2008, Russia still wasn’t taken too seriously by the globalist cabal in Washington. As late as 2014 all kinds of US military “experts” described a bulk of scenarios in which victorious US and NATO Armed Forces smash conventionally Russian Army in Ukraine. It was self-medicating against the background of Russia’s lightning speed operation in Crimea which forestalled US actions in turning Crimea into the NATO base. Russian counter-stroke caught everyone off-guard.

How fast many forgot today what was accomplished then–this can hardly be described as turning the other cheek. If anything else it was a massive blow to an existing world order when Russia threw down the gauntlet. That is how honor is defended–by actions, not petty name-calling. Massive defeats of US “trained” Ukrainian Armed Forces followed in Donbass.

I wrote in January 2015:

But it is already clear that by failing to achieve any sensible political objectives in Ukraine and in Russia, and, by this, starting a massive global re-alignment, the United States sustained a defeat. What will be the consequences of this defeat? I hate to speculate, I just know that they are already big and that the moment of facing the reality is coming.

Today, almost four years later, we live in the unrecognizable world and no-one in the US, unless they write for tabloids and don’t care about reputation, describes scenarios of Russia’s defeats.

It is a world in transition to not just genuine multipolarity, we are already living in multi-polar reality, but to a world where the United States is effectively checked in its attempts to project power into Eurasia. The world where it is reduced to merely calling names, hurling insults, and doing provocations–because it cannot do anything else. Somehow people ignore this fact of a dramatic, incredibly fast in historic terms, decline of the American power.

American post-WW II prosperity and influence, rested primarily with the myth and bluff of American military power, which was supposed to make everyone toe the party line and tremble in horror in face of a “punishment” for digressions. Russia called this bluff.

Today, America’s actions represent increasingly pronounced symptoms of a declining power, which cannot face reality without going mad. And she is going mad, domestically, as well as internationally, the only force which is capable to keep this increasingly irrational and dangerous power from committing a suicide while taking everyone else with her is a threat of a massive military defeat. Russia has this force to do so, and so far it works.

But I do have my own question: do orderlies in the asylum get offended, when overpowering the violent patient and restraining it to the bed, by this patient’s insults and resistance? I don’t think so–one does not get offended by a violent mental patient. Nor, orderlies defend their honor while restraining a patient. There could be no interactions involving honor between orderly and a violent mental patient. America is not treaty-worthy party, hasn’t been since early 1990s, thus there are no interactions involving honor in Russian-American relations on the American side.

So, I ask then, is it legitimate to assess the situation by comparing two states of the world in 2014 and 2018? The answer is not only that it is legitimate but that it is the only way to do so. Clausewitz’ dictum still stands today: “It is legitimate to judge event by its outcome, for it is the soundest criterion”.

With all American provocations, insults and Russia’s alleged turning the other cheek, one MUST ask the question–is Russia winning? Once one looks at the larger picture–the answer is unequivocally, YES. It manifests itself in many things, from economy, to military to geopolitics.

So:

The zionist neoconsevatives who rule in Washington are capable of the same mistake that Napoleon and Hitler made. They believe in “the end of history,” that the Soviet collapse means history has chosen America as the model for the future. Their hubris actually exceeds that of Napoleon and Hitler.

Neither Napoleon, nor Hitler dealt with the issues of nuclear deterrents, nor did they live in the world of an instant propagation of information. Judging by hysterical reaction of these very same neocons and their military “experts”, be it in 2015 to the events in Syria, or Putin’s March 1, 2018 speech to Federal Assembly–the message was heard. Hysteria is a first sign of weakness. Those neocons might be irrational, at least some of them, but even those understand that there is a price to be paid and there are reasons, to be discussed separately, to believe that there is an understanding of the severe limitations of America’s power. After all, Napoleon and Hitler marched into Russia after putting the Europe to its knees. They had highly deserved reputation behind both Grande Armee and Wehrmacht.

The United States cannot win a single war against a subpar opponent since 1950, once one discounts a turkey shoot against Saddam’s grossly inferior army.

Per Semyon Bagdasarov. He is a good man and a Russian patriot, he is a former political officer, but I don’t take his suggestion “to sink” US Aircraft Carrier seriously. Patriotism is not an excuse for irrationality–the loss of a single carrier in case of a limited TLAM strike on some targets in Syria will create in the US a political crisis of such proportions that the world will stand on the very brink of the nuclear war. US was and is inherently biased towards nuclear response, with some short break in 1990s, when it saw itself as self-proclaimed greatest military in the world in the wake of Soviet collapse. Not doing stupid things but the ones which are necessary is what defined Russia’s responses in the last several years. This is the only correct strategy.

And here is my conclusion: being former military I give a full recognition to the fact that I am merely a writer who, as well as Bagdasarov, or any other “analyst” have no any access to a daily top secret briefings by Chief of General Staff and Russia’s intelligence to Vladimir Putin. Patriotism or, even, some residual professionalism is not a substitution to having a full situational awareness provided to Supreme Commander by thousands upon thousands people who even risk their lives to provide a key information for making this one and only right decision to prevent the world from annihilation.

Russia knows where the Unites States is today and, when looking back at the last 5 years in world’s history, I see Russia as that proverbial cat finishing off the chicken, while those who are supposed to use the force cannot do so and speak loud and carry no stick. This chicken is —  Pax Americana.

Russia will continue to do what she does, because it works, and because she knows how to fight wars, she knows how to defend herself and because we all live in a different world today, the way Russia, not the US, sees it. In this case hurling insults and even launching another useless volley of TLAMs in Syria, or “training” its Ukrainian stooges for military provocations is the limit for the United States and there is nothing honorable in that.

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61 thoughts to “Russia As a Cat: My Response to Paul Craig Roberts”

  1. super analyse…..
    sans etre aussi connaisseur,j’etais et je suis du meme avis au sujet de la strategie adoptée par la Russie…..
    les etats-unis sont un hopital psychiatrique a ciel ouvert…..

    Merci pour ce tres beau sujet.
    Mohamed Boujraf

    1. Will Russia or US prevail? Donaldo has a $666.66 bottle of tequila in 1 hand and a $666.66 Cuban cigar in my other hand. Which will I finish first? Let’s ask Putin or Trump.

      1. Señor :

        You will finish the bottle of tequila first, having no control over yourself when it comes to tequila. We don’t have to ask Putin or Trump, we already know you’re a tequila drunk. Cigars, we can take ’em or leave ’em ; Tequila, WE GOTTA HAVE OUR TEQUILA! 😎.

  2. RUSSIA VS AMERICA?
    “However demonic, however destructive, however devious, however deserving of being strangled Russia is, the brute fact is that we cannot kill this bastard without committing suicide.”
    How is Putin’s Russia “destructive, devious, and deserving of being strangled”?

    That’s Jewish Zionist anti-Russian war propaganda (pack of lies)
    betraying its goal: incitement of a worldwide conflict (WW III)

    But there is NO REASON for war between Russia and the United States. War does not serve their interests. Neither the United States nor Russia needs or wants more war.WHO does?
    The article is disinfo – Why? It ignores the “elephant in the room”, the “cat” playing cat and mice.

    The “cat” is NOT Russia (disinfo) but it is greedy, expansionist Israel (Oded Yinon Plan)
    Israel is “devouring” the entire Middle East (“chicken”) by bombing/destroying/weakening Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria – by using ISIS (I-sraeli S-ecret I-ntelligence S-ervices) as proxy-army + allied military forces – in pursuit of “Greater Israel” and world government – The “cooks” (traditionally: America, GB) allegedly “in charge” of the War On Terror (War OF Terror) are being led by the noses. Everybody knows by now WHO the real terrorists (FAT CATS) are.

    1. Where’s the logic?
      “Russia As a Cat: My Response to Paul Craig Roberts
      Admin September 10, 2018 Other Writers
      By Andrei Martyanov”

      Admin or Who makes the comparison: Russia As a Cat?
      Andrei Martyanow does not.
      Martyanow compares Russia to a “cook” (fable) who should not leave the CAT
      ((( Jewish DEEP STATE crooks ))) in power of the “chicken”
      IF the “cook” is really in charge (has REAL power)
      How much power DOES Put-On REALLY have?

      Maybe, it’s not about Donald Trump’s or Putin’s power at all.
      It’s all about a POWER SHOW being displayed according to a pre-written textbook.
      A conflict being artificially created in stages to bring about the long pre-planned WWIII.
      ((( They ))) have done it twice (WWI, WWII) already.

      Who or what could STOP ((( them )))?
      Analysis that does not center around the “elephant in the room” ((( FAT CATS )))
      but instead marginalizes the irrational, highly dangerous hubris of
      the ((( SATANIC POWER ))) in control of “Washington” (Donald Trump government)
      is of no help. It’s disinfo at best.

      1. @ Freya

        Where’s the logic?
        “Russia As a Cat: My Response to Paul Craig Roberts
        Admin September 10, 2018 Other Writers
        By Andrei Martyanov”

        Admin or Who makes the comparison: Russia As a Cat?
        Andrei Martyanow does not.

        Yes, Andrei Martyanov DOES make the comparison. Because the title “Russia As a Cat” is Martynov’s own title.

        http://www.unz.com/article/russia-as-a-cat/

        Check out your facts before you speak to Admin so disrespectfully again. The next time you do this, your comment will be deleted.

      2. @ Admin

        Get rid of this mad German bitch. “Freya” not only has exceptionally bad manners, she is also a bore. Most of her comments are long, off-topic rants.This website would be better off without her.

      3. @ Silent Reader

        I second that. This German C**T is getting on my nerves with her long-winded off-topic posts. She is also copying and pasting huge chunks of other people’s articles (like Christopher Bollyn), instead of posting a link. She is a waste of time and space.

      4. Admin,

        I hope I can be excused for sharing my thoughts on Freya’s thoughts. If I understood her correctly, she was of the opinion that the role distribution by Martyanov (according to which the Cook=USA and the Cat=Russia) was not quite correct.

        I believe that there is a reason to believe that Ivan Krylov himself – the author of the fable – would have agreed with Freya’s sentiment, if he was alive today. Indeed, according to this source https://deti-online.com/basni/basni-krylova/kot-i-povar/ , the fable was written in 1812, and it was about the political views of the author, his attitude to the characters of “the powerful of this world.” Evidently, he was not quite happy with the position of Alexander I, who at the time when the French troops crossed the Russian border, still hoped for a peaceful solution to the conflict and sent Napoleon a letter in which he urged him to end the war and avoid bloodshed. The cat and the cook are images of two emperors, whose behavior causes discontent of the fabulist.

        In other words, Krylov’s take on his own fable goes like this: the Cook= Alexander I (Russia), the Cat=Napolen (France, aka the USA of the time).

        However, to the dismay of Freya, I must add that Ivan Krylov could have written the same fable in 1941 with the following role distribution: the Cook=Joseph Stalin (Russia), the Cat=Adolf Hitler (Germany).

      5. @ Circassian

        “. . . However, to the dismay of Freya, I must add that Ivan Krylov could have written the same fable in 1941 with the following role distribution: the Cook=Joseph Stalin (Russia), the Cat=Adolf Hitler (Germany).“ (Circassian)

        That’s the politically correct version of history I’m afraid – which still talks about “Uncle Joe Stalin“ and the “Good Patriotic War“ in defense of Russia. However – it was not the Old Russia any more – that had died before. GENOCIDED by the very Jewish Bolshevicks and the survivors were suppressed by a Stalinist TERROR regime that afterwards planned to attack Hitler’s Germany and the rest of Europe – to spread communism and genocide there too – which eventually happened with the help of the ALL LIES forces.

        So – undoubtedly – the most ferocious CAT was Stalin – the agent of The Beast, the instigators of WW I and II. How many millions murdered under the communist ideology? 66 million (Solzenitsyn) or even 100+ million, in the Soviet Union alone? – and even more millions enslaved for decades “after“ WWII behind the “Iron Curtain“.

        And BTW – in 1941 (as before: in 1917) there could have been PEACE in Europe if Hitler’s (the German emperor’s) numerous peace proposals wouldn’t have been ignored and refuted by the ALL LIES EVIL forces – who wanted to completely destroy Germany and genocide the German people. That’s all well documented (hidden history).

      6. So – undoubtedly – the most ferocious CAT was Stalin – the agent of The Beast, the instigators of WW I and II. How many millions murdered under the communist ideology? 66 million (Solzenitsyn) or even 100+ million, in the Soviet Union alone?

        Well, I am sorry, Freya, but I believe there is a good reason to believe that Ivan Krylov would not have you endorsed this time.

        Freya seems to believe that Hitler was a righteous man. What about you, Harold? What is your take on Hitler? Was he a good man?

  3. The aftermath of a 3rd world war would mean a 4th one would be fought with sticks and stones, to paraphrase Einstein. So cui bono in that kind of scenario except mad dog Khazarian descendants who aren’t at the top of the “Jew food chain” but are USED by the upper echelon to do the dirty work such as what happened in 1917 Russia? Those who froth at the mouth with thoughts of destroying the Motherland but with callous non-concern for it’s ramifications in what would be a totally decimated world.

    What kind of puppet master would pull THOSE strings, the outcome of which would lord over nothingness with no “goyim spoils” to be lorded OVER?

    1. “Freya seems to believe that Hitler was a righteous man. What about you, Harold? What is your take on Hitler? Was he a good man?” (Circassian)

      The question was – who was the “CAT”? – Hitler or Stalin? – The most ferocious one was Stalin.
      And in comparison to the mass murderers Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt – all of them Jews – Hitler was the better man. His intentions were not as bad as theirs. Germany had to defend herself; the country was surrounded by ferocious CATS who conspired to devour the “chicken” . They had already devoured one third (Verdict of Versailles) David against Goliath. The extermination plans of Jewish Zionists against the German people are well known (Hooton, Nizer, Kaufman, Morgenthau plans) – The Coudenhove-Kalergi “vision” targets all white European nations for extermination. White Genocide by mass immigration and miscegenation. Jews have always openly talked and written about their hateful, genocidal endeavours. It’s their “religion“ (Babylonian Talmud) to kill the “goy“ (non-Jewish people, the best of them) They did it then, they do it now. We’ve had anti-German Jewish hate propaganda for over a hundred years. And for what reasons? (Rothschild Balfour Deal) Jewish chutzpah and hypocrisy is legendary. Only the historical truth will make us free. Who fears the truth? Obviously the Jews (with few exemptions)
      And why? They must have a lot to hide.

      1. Don’t forget that, in 1933, the Soviet Judo-communists
        actually helped Mr Hitler into the Reich Chancellery by
        prohibiting the German communists to coalesce with
        the Socialists.

        The KPD Führer Ernst Thälmann could have been sitting
        in the Reichstag and gently stroking his ministerial portfolio,
        had he coalesced with the socialists. However, as a just
        reward for his catamite submission to Comrade Stalin,
        he soon ended up in a concentration camp – thankfully,
        a German one – so much more safe and comfortable
        than the Jew-run Soviet Gulag death camps.

        And, please, also remember that Mr Hitler wasn’t at all
        that keen on invading Poland on his own, either – not
        until the Soviet Judo-communists turned on the green light
        for him – for the greater profit of the Jew Rothschild
        banksters, to whom a world war was the most successful
        ‘line of business’, as well.

  4. “…I want to express my profound admiration for Dr. Roberts and his courageous civic position and his real, not for show, American patriotism.”

    I wish I could say I felt the same way, but as long as Roberts continues to make excuses for Trump’s treasonous behavior, and pretends that Trump really does want peace with Russia (in the face of all the evidence to the contrary), and generally treats Trump with kid gloves (compared to the blame Obama deservedly got)…I feel I have a moral and a patriotic duty to bash Roberts for what amounts to helping the “deep state” spread exculpatory “fake news” about Trump.

    As the evidence continues to pile up, showing Trump to be an ignorant, arrogant, feckless and stupid, unprincipled, completely amoral, psychopathic anti-American traitor who’s willing to sacrifice not just America, but the whole world, on the altar of jewish extremism, Roberts digs his heels in deeper. (BTW Roberts isn’t alone in this behavior; he and Justin Raimondo seem to be drinking the same Kool-Aid).

    At first I thought Roberts was just another liar in the service of the “deep state,” but I’m now leaning toward the idea that Roberts presents a textbook example of “delusional disorder”:

    “Delusional disorder is a generally rare mental illness in which the patient presents delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, thought disorder, mood disorder, or significant flattening of affect.[1][2] Delusions are a specific symptom of psychosis. Delusions can be “bizarre” or “non-bizarre” in content;[2] non-bizarre delusions are fixed false beliefs that involve situations that could potentially occur in real life, such as being harmed or poisoned.[3] Apart from their delusions, people with delusional disorder may continue to socialize and function in a normal manner and their behavior does not necessarily generally seem odd.[4] However, the preoccupation with delusional ideas can be disruptive to their overall lives.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

    1. Harold
      “Delusional disorder” is one thing, and cognitive dissonance quite another

      What if, for instance, the (s)election of Trump was mainly for the purpose of ensuring that the American economy would keep on a hummin along enough to keep the sheeple feeding the beast with those tax dollars as the inexorable march to an Economic NWO continues apace.

      The selection of the “virtual Hilary” Mike Pence as a running mate coulda been nothing more than appeasing a Jewish element whereby there’s no chance of Trump being removed from office. All this talk of a deranged POTUS looks to me like the anticipated outrage from the lunatic Left which is just ancillary fluff that is of little concern to the uber-controllers

      1. “‘Delusional disorder’ is one thing, and cognitive dissonance quite another”

        Did I say differently? No. They’re two different things which are apparently not mutually exclusive. So what’s your point? You’re just being contrary?

        “What if, for instance, the (s)election of Trump was mainly for the purpose of ensuring that the American economy would keep on a hummin along enough to keep the sheeple feeding the beast with those tax dollars as the inexorable march to an Economic NWO continues apace.”

        And what if you were to someday run out of the glib nothingburgers that you serve up here?

        “The selection of the ‘virtual Hilary (sic)’ Mike Pence as a running mate coulda been nothing more than appeasing a Jewish element whereby there’s no chance of Trump being removed from office. All this talk of a deranged POTUS looks to me like the anticipated outrage from the lunatic Left which is just ancillary fluff that is of little concern to the uber-controllers”

        Actually, “all this talk of a deranged POTUS” has to do with the fact that only a deranged person would be willing to risk planetary extinction for the sake of the jewish extremist agenda, as Trump is doing in Syria for example. I hope that clears things up for you.

      2. You just said the two things are not APPARENTLY mutually exclusive. Your words. Therefore, the only reason you call what I serve “nothing burgers” is because it runs contrary to your take on things, the truth of which you’re only GUESSING about

        P.S. I need no “clearing up”, as you so smugly put it. My advice to you is to be careful with your words, lest readers out there start viewing you as some troll for the ” lunatic left”.

      3. I don’t have a problem with someone such as yourself who has an apparent need to reply to almost every comment I make here. I don’t even have a problem if you disagree with everything, or almost everything I say. The problem I have is the inarticulate vapidity of your comments, which implies dishonesty. Apparently you’re just being contrary, but rather than rely on any kind of reasonable argument to support your view, your technique is to throw handfuls of mindless BS at the wall, and hope something sticks.

        The question I have is: Why? Do you just have too much time on your hands, or is it your intent to lower the signal to noise ratio at darkmoon?

      4. You’re so smug with self-importance and your boring “one-trick pony” hatred of Trump that it blinds you to any viewpoint that runs contrary to your own.

        I suppose that’s what causes your inaccurate criticisms of me. Vapid, inarticulate, dishonest, being contrary for it’s own sake, not having “reasonable” arguments to back up my view? Who the hell are you talking to?

        The only problem I have with you is that you’re an idiot. Clear enough fer ya 😆

      5. “You’re so smug with self-importance and your boring “one-trick pony” hatred of Trump that it blinds you to any viewpoint that runs contrary to your own.”

        LOL! As if your mindless, contrarian drivel rises to the level of a “viewpoint”.

        The demoniac in the White House has brought the world to the brink of WW3, and perhaps nuclear annihilation, for the sake of his jewish supremacist masters, and you call me “smug”?

        BTW “hate” is a normal human emotion. Of course I hate Trump; why wouldn’t I? The man lied to the world; the man defrauded me of my vote; and now the man is doing everything in his power to destroy this planet for his masters. As an inhabitant of this planet, do you have the slightest clue of the danger you and your family are presently in because of Trump’s treachery? Apparently not.

        As I explained above, as long as Paul Craig Roberts (and/or anyone else) uses his internet platform to tell lies in support of the man that is bringing the world to WW3, I have a moral and patriotic duty to bash him for it.

        “I suppose that’s what causes your inaccurate criticisms of me. Vapid, inarticulate, dishonest, being contrary for it’s own sake, not having “reasonable” arguments to back up my view?”

        For once I have to agree with you; my criticism of you and your incoherent babble was way too generous.

        “Who the hell are you talking to?”

        Apparently a jew.

        “The only problem I have with you is that you’re an idiot. Clear enough fer ya 😆”

        Finally some clarity from you. Better late than never, but here’s the thing: The only way you could actually insult me, goofball, would be if I had your approval.

    2. At first I thought Roberts was just another liar in the service of the “deep state,” but I’m now leaning toward the idea that Roberts presents a textbook example of “delusional disorder”

      … or it could be that Roberts acts towards achieving some agenda which you do not understand. If so (and it is rather obvious that it is precisely so), a person who infers from Roberts’ behavior that he “presents a textbook example of “delusional disorder””, would look foolish, would he not?

      1. “or it could be that Roberts acts towards achieving some agenda which you do not understand.”

        Yes it could be, and for that matter it could also be that Roberts was kidnapped by aliens from outer space and replaced by an android programmed to do jew dirty work. But when I do reasoning, I generally have to rule out the improbable in favor of the most likely, so I have to go with what I said above.

        “If so (and it is rather obvious that it is precisely so)…”

        On the contrary, what’s rather obvious is the fact that you’re full of **it.

        For one thing, I’m quite sure I know Roberts better than you do. You see, I’ve had “discussions” with him in the past, both by way of email correspondence, and in the comments section of his web site (before he disallowed comments) regarding this and other topics. Thus I know from personal experience that once he publicly takes a position on something – whether it’s blaming everything on the “military/security complex” or defending the crimes of Augusto Pinochet, or explaining how Reaganomics saved America or whatever – he will generally NEVER, EVER change his mind, no matter how much evidence comes to light proving him wrong.

        Roberts simply cannot accept criticism no matter how mild and well supported, and his “delusionality” is apparently rooted in this pathological aversion to ceding a point. But don’t take my word for it, check out his web site for example and check out Ron Unz’ web site, and you’ll see that comments are not allowed.

        “a person who infers from Roberts’ behavior that he “presents a textbook example of ‘delusional disorder’, would look foolish, would he not?”

        Obviously, he would not.

    3. Harold,
      “Delusional disorder” sounds a lot like Trump Derangement Syndrome – a syndrome that is apparently eating you alive. Trump is no dictator, as you suggest. When it comes to foreign policy, those in the Deep State, the permanent government, are calling the shots. Look no further than the “high ranking official” who published the letter to the NYT confirming that these statists have conspired to work against him – allegedly for the good of the country. If the people appointed by Trump refuse to carry out his directives, what can he do? He can’t purge them all. Hell, he can’t even fire the incompetent Jeff Sessions.

      1. “‘Delusional disorder’ sounds a lot like Trump Derangement Syndrome – a syndrome that is apparently eating you alive. ”

        The difference is, unlike the delusions of you Trump supporters, my case against Trump is based on facts and reasoning.

        “Trump is no dictator, as you suggest.”

        Where did I suggest that he’s a “dictator”? What he is, is a demon-possessed jew puppet that’s using the ill-gotten and illegitimate power of the office of president of the U.S. to advance the Satanic agenda of his jewish supremacist masters.

        “When it comes to foreign policy, those in the Deep State, the permanent government, are calling the shots.”

        Of course somebody’s calling the shots, but only because their loyal servant Trump is willing to do their dirty work. As the commander in chief of the U.S. military, Trump has the power to pull the U.S. military out of Syria. He refuses. He is therefore personally responsible for whatever horrific consequences ensue, regardless of whether or not he’s listening to voices from his handlers or from his neighbor’s dog, etc. I don’t know why so many people seem to have so much trouble with simple moral reasoning.

        “Look no further than the ‘high ranking official’ who published the letter to the NYT confirming that these statists have conspired to work against him – allegedly for the good of the country.”

        How come the people ostensibly working against Trump don’t seem to have a problem with him doing evil? Nobody stopped him from assisting the aggressor in the genocidal war in Yemen. Nobody stopped him from committing war crimes in Syria. Nobody is stopping him from selling weapons to the illegitimate government of Ukraine. Nobody stopped him from moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Nobody stopped him from seizing Russian diplomatic property in San Francisco and giving the diplomatic staff only two days to vacate the property. I think somebody is fooling you.

        “If the people appointed by Trump refuse to carry out his directives, what can he do?”

        I really, really, really wish they would refuse to carry out his immoral, unconstitutional and illegal directives, but their oaths of office apparently don’t mean very much to them.

  5. What I mean by the difference between “delusional disorder” and “cognitive dissonance” AS SEEN IN THIS CONTEXT is that even accepting the PREMISE that Trump is truly deranged has to take into consideration, per MY premise, that he would never be allowed to act in ways seen as being irrational to that which OVERSEES his actions. I say this as it pertains to my first post on this thread, posted @ 1:38 PM

    1. Sorry I don’t feel like taking on the burden of trying to decipher your ever more incoherent babbling. Maybe you can find a helpful adult in your neighborhood who can help you to compose a meaningful sentence, and then you can try again.

  6. What should Donald Trump do? (. . . asked if sticking to “delusional“ hope)
    What CAN Donald Trump do? (. . . asked if asserting the brutal facts of reality)

    Christopher Bollyn
    3 Golf Center, Suite 365
    Hoffman Estates, IL 60169
    bollyn.books@yahoo.com
    Ivanka Trump, Special Assistant to the President
    The White House
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
    Washington, DC 20500
    April 3, 2017
    RE: Ending the Fraudulent War on Terror

    Dear Ivanka,
    In your new position as Special Assistant to the President you need to be well informed on issues of national security. If your father is to succeed as president he will need advisors who see the big picture, apart from the pressures of special interest groups, in order to be able to craft policies that are truly in the nation’s best interest – and terminate those which are not.
    The fraudulent War on Terror is clearly a policy that is not in the best interest of the United States and which should be ended as soon as possible. The War on Terror is a fraud based on the lie that Islamic terrorists were behind the 9/11 terror attacks and the destruction of the World Trade Center. At MacDill Air Force Base on February 6, President Trump lent credence to that lie when he said, “Radical Islamic terrorists are determined to strike our homeland as they did on 9/11.”
    The documented evidence, however, proves without a doubt that the Twin Towers and WTC 7 were demolished by sophisticated explosive materials, including super-thermites created using nanotechnology, not by burning jet fuel or office fires. This means that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaida were wrongly blamed and framed for the terror atrocity in order to bring our nation into the pre-planned War on Terror [War OF Terror]. Policies based on such utterly false narratives cannot succeed and will fail to deliver peace or prosperity.
    For more than fifteen years, under the guise of fighting terrorism, the U.S. has waged disastrous wars [on behalf of Jewish Zionist interests] across the Middle East at great expense to this nation, not to speak of the cost to those we have attacked. The Costs of War Project at Brown University estimates the War on Terror [War OF terror] to have cost $4.8 Trillion since 9/11. These wars are impoverishing America and the costs will burden our nation for generations to come.
    The stability and infrastructure of a half-dozen developing nations have been destroyed as a result of the War on Terror [War OF Terror]: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, and Yemen. The devastation we have inflicted on these nations has greatly set back their development and regional stability. Europe is currently experiencing the greatest influx of refugees [invaders – White Genocide by mass immigration – Replacement Migration] since World War II as a direct result of these artificially imposed conflicts.
    Under its “America First Foreign Policy” the White House says: “The Trump Administration is committed to a foreign policy focused on American interests and American national security. Peace through strength will be at the center of that foreign policy. This principle will make possible a stable, more peaceful world with less conflict and more common ground.”
    It goes on to say that “defeating ISIS [I-sraeli S-ecret I-ntelligence S-ervices] and other radical Islamic terror groups will be our highest priority.” Bombing “radical Islamic terror groups,” however, is the legacy of the previous four administrations and has been an abysmal failure. President Trump’s first two months in office have been marred by the high number of civilians killed by U.S. bombs in Yemen, Iraq, and Syria. We need to recognize that we cannot bring peace and stability to the Middle East by dropping more bombs. After 26 years of bombing Iraq and 15 years of bombing Afghanistan that should be obvious to all [Bombing Germany into ruins did not liberate land and people either but has kept them occupied and enslaved ever since]
    “There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare,” Sun Tzu wrote in The Art of War. If President Trump truly [!] wants to make a change for the better he will have to end the fraudulent War on Terror [War OF Terror] and seek peace through peaceful means. I hope you understand the importance of changing this disastrous policy and will help make that change possible.
    Sincerely,
    Christopher Bollyn
    Author of Solving 9/11: The Deception that Changed the World
    Bollyn.com

    “Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand.” (Benjamin Disraeli, Britain’s first Jewish Prime Minister, 1868, 1874-1880)

    So the question is: What CAN a puppet controlled by THE BEAST (“hidden hands”, puppet masters) REALLY do (except waver to and fro in a contradictory manner – just dangling powerlessly)?

    1. Hear that Harold, straight from the horse named Disraeli’s mouth. So whose “delusional disorder” are we talking about here, anyway? 😆

  7. As an Arab and Muslim i have been pondering and doing the math (in actual numbers) in trying to figure out who is a worse enemy of Islam…
    Russia
    or
    America?
    which of the two have killed more Muslims AND WHICH THEN IS A WORSE ENEMY, an enemy who is probably gonna regret having killed so many muslims when the war on the other superpower starts?

    ———————————————————-
    U.S.:
    Iraq:
    1.655.000 (roughly)
    Afghanistan:
    120.000 civilians (roughly)
    Palestine; 400.000 (roughly) since 1936
    I put Palestinian deaths on the U.S. because the Americans are Jews who give free weapons to God`s Chosen for free.
    the
    Haska Meyna wedding party airstrike (in Afganistan) is included ..the airstrike killed 165 guests, the sweetheats (grooms) included..
    But that doesnt matter to Americans because they call Muslims Hajees (this hate precedes sept eleven, by the way) who should all die (all 2.3 billion of them) because in esence Americans are Jews, yes, the actual crusaders (worse than Jews) who are back a 1000 years later for unfinished business…
    ………………………………………………………..
    Russia:
    Chechnia:
    first war: 180.000
    second war: 96.000
    Afghanistan: 200.000
    Syria: 420.000
    _____________________________________________
    many more are still missing all over the place, displaced, in underground prisons, etc etc
    ………………..
    i really hope for peace but hell, bombing a wedding the grooms included then Donald Rumsfeld making jokes about it? boy!
    ———————
    as for the war between those two..
    i got this big bag of pop corn and a 3 litre bottle of coke…
    waiting inpatiently…
    the avatar
    OH WAIT, HAPPY SEPTEMBER ELEVEN BY THE WAY (whoever done it)
    😉

  8. ‘Russia As a Cat’
    My Response to Paul Craig Roberts
    ANDREI MARTYANOV • SEPTEMBER 4, 2018

    Dr Roberts writes:
    “As I have made the same points, I can only applaud Martyanov and The Saker. Where we might differ is in recognizing that endlessly accepting insults and provocations encourages their increase until the only alternative is surrender or war. So, the questions for Andrei Martyanov, The Saker, and for Putin and the Russian government is: How long does turning your other cheek work? Do you turn your other cheek so long as to allow your opponent to neutralize your advantage in a confrontation? Do you turn your other cheek so long that you lose the support of the patriotic population for your failure to defend the country’s honor? Do you turn your other cheek so long that you are eventually forced into war or submission? Do you turn your other cheek so long that the result is nuclear war?”

    (Andrei’s Response):
    “And here is my conclusion (ANDREI MARTYANOV): being former military I give a full recognition to the fact that I am merely a writer who, as well as Bagdasarov, or any other “analyst” have no any access to a daily top secret briefings by Chief of General Staff and Russia’s intelligence to Vladimir Putin. (JUST GUESSING LIKE THE REST OF US…. EVEN WE WHO ARE FORMER MILITARY ALSO!)

    [……]

    “Russia will continue to do what she does, because it works, and because she knows how to fight wars, she knows how to defend herself and because we all live in a different world today, the way Russia, not the US, sees it. In this case hurling insults and even launching another useless volley of TLAMs in Syria, or “training” its Ukrainian stooges for military provocations is the limit for the United States and there is nothing honorable in that.”

    NOW… This stands out to me, because I repeat it to everyone claiming that tiny prezzy ‘Put-On’ will attack…… a major power:
    “and because we all live in a different world today”

    Worth repeating:
    “and because we all live in a different world today”

    The world today is such “a different world today” that teenagers at Dominos Pizza can instantly locate and track a person calling in a cell phone order. That has been the case since before 1998!!

    MY CONCLUION:
    The tactics of Napoleon and Hitler are irrelevent. Neither could pull off their strategies and tactics today. Teens at Dominos could stop them by exposing their locations…. because you know the troops are all expert marksmen when it comes to ‘shootin’ da breeze’ on FB, Instgram & Twitter today!! 🙂

    1. NOW… This stands out to me, because I repeat it to everyone claiming that tiny prezzy ‘Put-On’ will attack…… a major power

      Pat, when you quote someone you better read what you quote lest you look foolish. The person you are quoting did not claim “that tiny prezzy ‘Put-On’ will attack…… a major power”, but he said something about hurling insults at Russia and Putin. If I understood him correctly, he thinks that “there is nothing honorable in that”. You obviously think otherwise, and that is the difference of opinion between you and Andrei Martyanov.

      Punching the keyboard mindlessly is not good enough anymore because, as Andrei would put it, “we all live in a different world today” … except few Pats here and there, perhaps.

      1. Circ-

        You wrote:
        “The person you are quoting did not claim “that tiny prezzy ‘Put-On’ will attack…… a major power”

        That is most certainly correct!!

        I never claimed anything other than that. I wrote that reply in that fashion to those – others, in this case – who offer that pitifully stupid response.

        You are still a pesky ‘Caucasus hillbilly’, posing as an annoying gnat, with nothing better to do than want to be swatted here.

        I shall oblige… as I usually have over the years.. 🙂

        However… this useless comment is an improvement over many from the past… like this one:

        Circassian
        November 11, 2014 at 4:31 pm

        http://www.darkmoon.me/2014/must-know-now/#comment-877629

        Trying to reason with Pat makes as much sense as shaming a dog that shits around the place; still, he can be used as a useful idiot – as a stepping stone to make a point.

        What a fucking idiot!

      2. Pat, I must strongly disagree with you here: I thought that that comment of mine you are referring to which was posted 4 years ago was a good one, and I still do.

        I shall thank you for keeping track of my comments. In fact, I would recommend you to read them occasionally before you go to bed – they are worth it, believe you me!

  9. Russia knows where the Unites States is today and, when looking back at the last 5 years in world’s history, I see Russia as that proverbial cat finishing off the chicken, while those who are supposed to use the force cannot do so and speak loud and carry no stick. This chicken is — Pax Americana. (Martyanov)

    Right – military analyst Martyanov DOES finally compare Russia to “that proverbial cat finishing off the chicken“ but that’s rather confusing IMO – to interpret the Russian fable IN SUCH A WAY – for he is painting RUSSIA as the aggressor “who knows how to fight wars“ devouring its enemies, destroying their power . . . Hasn’t that been America’s traditional role as “the world’s policeman” since 1917?

    Did actually “Russia“ know – or was it ((( Stalin – the Jewish controlled Soviet Union – the Jewish Bolshevic revolutionaries – Russia’s enemies within ))) who “knew how to fight wars“ by GENOCIDING Zsarist Russia’s intelligentsia in the millions first and then preparing to attack Hitler’s Germany and all of Europe too?
    The comparison (CAT = Russia) is logical only IF one takes into account that “the CAT“ (((( Russia’s Jewish DEEP STATE ))) IS actually Russia (since its takeover in 1918).

    It’s a safe bet that the pre-written geopolitical script sees America (the White race – Christians) as the loser of any major conflict. American power (White power) is being dismantled. “Pax Americana“ means PAX JUDAECA (JEWISH POWER) anyways – and (Christian again?) Russia of today wouldn’t be the winner either – the ((( JEW WORLD ORDER’s ))) main power base is in the process of being moved over to CHINA (The DRAGON’S reign has a long tradition there). The next staged war would be CHINA vs Russia. . . .

    IF the ((( SATANIC DEMONIC FORCES ))) can’t be stopped in their tracks by exposing them worldwide. For them the motive for war is war itself! It’s about slaughtering human beings in the millions. AS many as possible. For Satanists war is Ritual Human Sacrifice to their god “Satan – Molech – Baal“ (whatever name)

    PARAGRAPH DELETED.

    1. @ Freya

      ADMIN DOES NOT WISH TO BE ADDRESSED BY YOU AGAIN.
      DO NOT REFER TO ADMIN AGAIN OR ARGUE WITH ADMIN IN ANY OF YOUR POSTS. NO FURHER INSOLENCE OR DISRESPECT FROM YOU WILL BE TOLERATED.

  10. The main dangers are the Israel Lobby’s formidable power in America and Mossad’s dirty tricks. They are determined to destroy Russia and Iran, even if it means WW3 and the destruction of America.

  11. Off-Topic, but has anybody pointed out that import tarriffs on Chinese goods is an extra tax on Americans? Customers will be paying the increase, and that money goes straight to the US government.

    It is a tax.

    1. @John Kirby,
      I guess you could say that Tariffs are a backdoor tax on the American consumer, as he would have to pay more for certain products. But what is the alternative? Where has so-called Free Trade libertarianism gotten us? We are a nation of obese, tattooed, disabled Walmart shoppers, dying slowly with a massive trade deficit, downtowns which have become ghost towns, and a rusted out, drug addled, industrial heartland. Jews like Milton Friedman, Alan Greenspan, and Ben Bernanke have played us for fools, which I guess most of us are. I’m sure you’ve read Pat Buchanan on trade, haven’t you? I would hope that we are still more than brain dead consumers pining for the latest Apple I-Phone to waste our days with, but I’m not so sure anymore.

  12. Well, Mr. Kirby, screw Trump and Uncle Sam and just don’t buy Chinese goods, BUY AMERICAN MADE GOODS and then you won’t have to pay an xtra tax. The whole point of tariffs is to give American industry a boost. Tariffs on foreign goods is NOT a great injustice against foreigners, relax dude. And alot of countries place tariffs on American made goods and you know it and I never heard you cry and complain about foreign countries placing tariffs on American made goods. How come you NEVER cry and complain about that? Go cry and complain because foreigners have to pay an extra tax to their governments when their governments place tariffs on American made goods.

    1. Hi FoW and TROJ,
      Trouble is that America and the west make almost no small goods. Britain and the USA have an even trade balance, but it is mainly in big expensive things like aeroplanes and tractors. The most popular farm equipment in Britain is John Deere

      Robots are coming to the rescue. It doesn’t cost any more to run a robot in Detroit than in Korea, and the shipping costs are a lot less, but that robot is doing the work of ten men, or more. They can make big or small goods, no problem, and it is coming back to America, slowly

      I think a 4-day or even a 3-day week is coming, with no drop in wages. Those robots are producing goods/wealth. We just have to make sure that Wall St doesn’t take too much of it.

  13. There will be no Russia vs USA war. Putin and Trump are working together or they would not be exchanging couriered secret letters that prevent their common enemy from knowing what’s next or what’s coming down the road. All of the banter is just for show to distract and confuse their common enemy. Zi is working with them as well, i.e. North Korea couriered letters, for the same reason.

    Their common enemy is the global jewish banking cartel. If any one of the big three wanted a war, it would already be in progress just as the jewish bankers desire. A truly tri-polar world is on the near horizon and the jewish bankers have no way of stopping it since war is off the table.

    1. “There will be no Russia vs USA war.”

      Correct. ‘Put-On’ & Trump want the lucrative contracts rebuilding Syria.

      ‘Put-On’ stated he NEEDS US!! 🙂

      Bankers are demolishing buildings to make way for ‘Put-On’ and his construction crews to rebuild the whole area.$$$$ The more – the better.

      —Syrian Reconstruction Spells Juicy Contracts for Russian, Iranian Firms $$$$—

      Bombed-out cities meant death and destruction. Now they promise billions of dollars — for new construction.

      Companies from almost two dozen countries flocked to Syria for the Damascus International Fair. The first such expo since the start of the war in 2011, it essentially declared the country open for business again. Well, not entirely — companies from countries that fought Assad’s regime aren’t invited.

      Reconstruction contracts are likely to go largely to firms linked to Russia and Iran, which support Assad, though China and Brazil also aim to throw their hats in the ring. Most Western companies aren’t invited, not that they were going anyway: During the United Nations General Assembly in September, 14 mostly Western and Gulf nations opposed to the regime indicated that they would not participate in Syrian reconstruction until a “political process” to get Assad out of power was underway. U.S. national security advisor H.R. McMaster reiterated that position at an event on Washington on Oct. 19, saying, “We should ensure that not a dollar, not a dollar goes to reconstruct anything that is under the control of this brutal regime.”

      As early as April 2016, not long after it jumped into the Syrian war, Russia had already signed almost $1 billion in infrastructure and other contracts. In November 2016, Damascus pledged to give Moscow priority in awarding contracts, according to RT. A pair of Kremlin-linked energy firms have already started doing business in oil, gas, and mining in areas just cleared of the Islamic State. The two countries are even considering creating a new joint bank to smooth such transactions.
      http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/20/syrian-reconstruction-spells-juicy-contracts-for-russian-iranian-firms-china-civil-war/

      ….
      ’Put-On’ admits HE NEEDS US today
      June 17, 2016
      The Russian president admitted the world needs such a powerful country as the United States but Moscow does not want Washington to meddle in domestic affairs.
      ST.PETERSBURG, June 17. /TASS/. The world needs such a powerful country as the United States but Moscow does not want Washington to meddle in domestic affairs and prevent the European Union to build relations with Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin told a plenary session of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

      “The world needs such a powerful country as the United States. ** And we also need it,” Putin said.
      http://tass.ru/en/politics/883026

      1. @ Brownhawk

        If you mean New as compared to the long established jewish global money monopoly, you would be correct, so you would be agreeing with me.

        Since I know that you aren’t agreeing with me, so let me put it in perspective. The jews had a global reserve currency, the US dollar. Why would they need a different global currency? The jews had control of almost all central banks, all significant ones. The jews had control of all international settlements, the BIS. The jews had the US military as an enforcer. (((They))) had all of this in 1985.

        That is not the case now. Jewish control has been evaporating steadily since 1985. It started in China in 1987 and by 1999, all government owned factories were closed. Communism was dead. China gently started trading outside the BIS with direct currency exchanges. Then it started in Russia in 2000 with Putin. Russia has no debt to the central bank. The Duma determines central bank interest rates. China and Russia have direct currency exchange on trade. Then it started in the USA in 2017 with Trump axing initiatives for the desired move to a one world government like TPP, etc. Peace is breaking out when the jews want WWIII. The war in Syria is close to finished. Peace negotiations are in progress in Afghanistan between the government and the Talaban. End of the exceptionally brief explanation.

        The head Rothschild told his cronies a couple of months ago that the established world order was being jeopardized. The Jew World Order has a problem.

      2. Ung

        I’ll play a little devil’s advocate and set aside acronyms like “NWO” and “JWO”

        I wrote:

        ” ‘Doze jooz’ referred to as International Jewry (comprised of Jews and gentiles alike) = competing bankers pulling all the strings ”

        “What we’re seeing is an intramural* scrimmage being played amongst central bankers”

        You wrote (with my capitalizations for emphasis):

        “The Duma determines CENTRAL bank INTEREST rates”

        While I’ll concede to your point about Russia and China operating outside the aegis of the B.I.S., this still sounds pretty statist and jewishy to me

        *Could Rothschild be seen as the head of only ONE of these intramural squads, in some kind of “meet the new boss, same as the old boss” scenario?

      3. Ung

        This is at the heart of what’s tripping everybody up. That there’s one, and ONLY one Jew money power. But there’s a good reason why, e.g.; Hitlers’ quotes were of an INTERNATIONAL Jewry. The scourge of usury and banker CONTROL of money as opposed to banks being mere warehouses that only HANDLE money, and Statists everywhere ALLOW it.

        Make-up of players may change
        But game remains the same
        Big sleeper in the East
        An aspect of the beast

      4. The Duma determines central bank interest rates.

        Where the hell did you get that idea, HAL?

        Duma does not determine central bank interest rates. Duma has no say whatsoever about anything what central bank does. What is more, the whole government of Russia has no say about anything what central bank does… by the constitution enforced upon Russia by the USA.

        If people just had the good sense of keeping their mouths shut about things they know nothing about! There would be a deafening silence all around, I guess.

      5. UNG –

        Circ is correct!! 🙂

        2014:

        The USA owns Russia and its mafia strongman… ‘Put-On’…

        (excerpt)
        “…it is clear that all the decisions that Putin has to take are prepared by system of the state apparatus controlled by the USA in accordance with the Russian Constitution and its laws,”

        https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/national-liberation-movement-russia-today

        2018:

        (excerpts-my caps)
        “Yes, Russia is occupied – not by foreign military forces, but by FOREIGN COMPANIES and organisations, by international BANKS and by her own, domestic liberal traitors, the 5th column”

        “The current Russian Constitution and system of government is a product of the US ‘advisors’ which allowed Yeltsin to ruin the country until 1999.”

        President Putin inherited this problem and now he has to solve it. The main obstacle to a reform are the 5th column pro-USA traitors in the Kremlin. They want some kind of “deal” with the west even though it is obvious that the outcome would be very bad for Russia. Of course president Putin understands that, but so far he has not acted decisively. (HA!!! $$$$)

        The 5th column must finally be expelled from the power structures in the Russian government and in the central bank and their control over main stream media must be broken. The control over Russian state institutions that the WORLD BANK, the IMF and the WTO has got with the help of such traitors must be recalled.

        The main names of these 5th columnists are well known:
        Deputy Prime Minister Arkadii Dvorkovich, “presidental advisor” Vladislav Surkov, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, First Deputy Governor of the Russian Central Bank Ksenia Iudaeva, Governor of the Russian Central Bank Elvira Nabiullina, Minister of Economic Development Alexei Uliukaev, Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov, and outside the Kremlin but still dangerous: Former First Deputy Prime Minister Anatolii Chubais and former Minister of Finance Alexei Kudrin.

        https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/russia-occupied

      6. UNG –

        More to the point…

        “The Central Bank of Russia is independent and does not report either to the President or to the State, and it wastes rubles by buying foreign currency totalling almost1 trillion rubles a year. Therefore, most of the problems of Russia are particularly related to the “Law on the Central Bank”, written by American advisors, which allows the USA not only to buy up all the available resources of the country, but to also influence its internal processes as well. By forcing the bank to work for the state, it would be possible to immediately redirect the money from the reserves (which, in fact, are spent on buying the U.S. debt obligations) to industry and infrastructure, thus initializing the new industrialization which Putin spoke about at the Saint Petersburg Economic Forum.”I want all of us to clearly understand that the coming years will be crucial, and maybe even a critical time not only for us, but for almost the entire world which enters an era of radical changes, and maybe even shocks” – Putin said. Thanks to the re-emergence of industrialization, the economy, industry, infrastructure, and even Russia’s domestic policy will dramatically change, and that will lead to its accelerated development.”

        https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/article/national-liberation-movement-russia-today

      7. Circ,

        For the record, that quote on the Duma belonged to Ungenius, clarified by you and Pat. For me, the bottom line is reflected in Pat’s 2nd post

        “By forcing the bank to work for the state…”

        Well isn’t THAT a novel idea! One that was written into the U.S. Constitution but thanks to the Fed Reserve Act of 1913 killed two birds with one stone by circumventing THAT which in turn paved the way to destroying RUSSIA! The shock waves of which continue to this day.

        This should be the REAL subject matter for “What will Putin do?”

        P.S. Thus spake (H)algorithm!
        A.I. Superman!

      8. AND CHINA??? They’ve been FAKING!!!

        There Goes The Credit Impulse:

        Why Chinese Consumption Is On The Verge Of Collapse

        Recently we discussed how in addition to the widely manipulated Chinese GDP data, new concerns had emerged about official data involving Chinese industrial profits, because while China’s National Bureau of Statistics has traditionally reported positive year-on-year growth rates in percentage terms, growth in absolute yuan terms has been negative. This deviation, which barely happened in the past, has reinforced scepticism over the quality of Chinese “data” and fueled fresh suspicion that the NBS generates data outcomes that match the policy goals of the Chinese government leadership instead of reflecting the true state of the economy.

        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-08/there-goes-credit-impulse-why-chinese-consumption-verge-collapse

      9. Pat

        Yeah, that damn credit impulse will getcha every time! Even Jefferson, who shoulda trusted his 1st instinct when feuding with the Rothschild agent Hamilton over the creation of a Central Bank. Later when he was the Prez he sure couldn’t resist that Loosiana Purchase.

        Little did he know just who he was really purchasing it FOR!

  14. russia’s a big white country… think about that…
    if putin is not flawed on immigration, then, like trump, he’s credible with real americans in that respect at least..
    the russian people are not now and never have been the enemies of the american people… and i doubt putin is either..
    i’m thinking it’s becoming more obvious, whites are in a fight for their lives and the odds are 4 to 1, not in their favor…
    all our lives we’ve been hearing it – the ‘russians’ this and the ‘russians’ that…
    it’s all baloney… but very expensive baloney…
    “i don’t think there are any russians
    and there ain’t no yanks
    just corporate criminals
    playing with tanks”
    a small number of rothschilld bankster agent jewish radicals from new york city were able to grab russia back in 1918, because they had lots of funding……
    they’re now billionaire oligarchs controlling a psuedo comminist psuedo-capitalist police state dictatorship…
    same deal in china..
    as long as that stays in place their warmongering counterparts in the usa will continue to transfer the wealth up away from the working class to the corporate hierarchy, mostly through pentagon contractors and state-connected capitalist predators…
    the best thing the people of the usa, and europe, can do now is secure their own perimeter…
    then level the trading field…

    1. Very plausible.

      Note the upward ‘swooped’ deck of the Russian carrier(sic)… its deck is too low to the waterline!! 🙂

      ‘Put-On’ is poor. No $$$ for a real one!! 🙂

  15. I think the cat and the cook might get their kitchen blown away if Putin is not careful. With greatest respect to PCR and the saker, the status quo ante to which the godlesshouse builders aspire assumed that Europe and USofA were dead by 1945. To start any analysis from other than that perspective is to be invalid for planning purpsoses.

    To get back to the very first extended comment of PCR regarding Putin’s lack of “action” I surmise that Putin starts his analysis from the anticipated 1945 wasteland and that the as yet unrevealed global army, only the first inklings of which were seen in 1945 when Latin American forces appeared in theatre, that Special drawing rights merchant’s army awaits any unleashing of overt force by Russia today.

    NATO is nothing more than a massive temporal trip rope binding the planet.

    Putin knows that the real struggle is spiritual. In that real hot war he is winning.

    BWAHAHAAAAAAA

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