Three Reasons Why ‘Fire and Fury’ Won’t Work With Iran

By SCOTT RITTER

“NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED.” — Donald Trump in a tweet, threatening Iran with ‘fire and fury’


August 06, 2018 “Information Clearing House”  —  On July 22, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo addressed a crowd of Iranian-Americans, giving voice to a new American policy on Iran that seeks to undermine the legitimacy of the Iranian government. It would also strangle Iran’s economy through the reimposition of economic sanctions that had been set aside when Iran and five other Western nations, including the United States, came to an agreement in 2015 over Iran’s nuclear program.

According to this agreement, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA, Iran accepted sanctions on its nuclear program in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions. When President Trump withdrew from the JCPOA in May, he promised to reimpose sanctions that had been approved by Congress, including those targeting Iran’s sale of oil. The goal of the Trump administration, Pompeo told the crowd, was to “get [Iranian oil] imports as close to zero as possible” by this November.

Pompeo’s address did not go over well in Tehran. Addressing a gathering of Iranian diplomats, Iran’s President Hassan Rouhani asked, “Is it possible that everyone in the region sells their oil and we stand idly by and watch? Do not forget that we have maintained the security of this waterway [Strait of Hormuz] throughout history. We have historically secured the route of oil transit. Do not forget it.”

Approximately 18.5 million barrels of oil a day transit through the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow channel of water separating Iran from Oman. The loss of this oil to the global economy would be devastating.

On July 5, Rouhani commented on the American plan to shut down Iran’s oil imports, saying, “The Americans say they want to reduce Iranian oil exports to zero. … It shows they have not thought about its consequences.”

While Rouhani had remained silent about what those consequences would be, Qasem Soleimani, the commander of the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, made it clear that Iran would close the Strait of Hormuz to all oil traffic.

“America should know that peace with Iran is the mother of all peace, and war with Iran is the mother of all wars,” Rouhani said, warning the American president not to “play with the lion’s tail, this would only lead to regret.”

President Trump’s response, delivered via Twitter the next day, caught the attention of the world:

NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

On July 24, the Iranian Armed Forces chief of staff, Maj. Gen. Mohammad Bagheri, responded to Trump’s threats. “As the dominant power in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has been the guarantor of the security of shipping and the global economy in this vital waterway and has the strength to take action against any scheme in this region,” Bagheri said.

“As our president correctly pointed out, the enemies, particularly America, whose centers of interest are within reach of the visible and hidden defense forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran, should not play with the lion’s tail,” the Iranian general said, “because they will receive a strong, unimaginable and regrettable response of great magnitude in the region and the world.”

That same day, President Trump addressed a gathering of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, seemingly a perfect venue for offering a bellicose response to the Iranian threats of action. Instead, the president offered up a fig leaf of sorts. “We’ll see what happens,” Trump said, “but we’re ready to make a real deal, not the deal that was done by the previous administration, which was a disaster.”

The seesawing rhetorical game of threat and counterthreat being played by Trump seems reminiscent of a similar approach taken late last year and early this year with North Korea over its nuclear and ballistic missile programs. Last August, responding to North Korean threats to test missiles capable of reaching the United States, Trump had declared that North Korea “best not make any more threats to the United States,” saying that if North Korea disregarded him, “They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.” Trump later went on to famously belittle North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong Un, as “little rocket man,” while Kim in turn responded by calling Trump a “dotard” and a “warmonger” whose true nature was that of a “destroyer of the world peace and stability.”

In June, Trump and Kim held a summit in Singapore, where they discussed the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.

Many observers believe that Trump is reaching back to his North Korean playbook in engaging in the current hostile exchange with Iran. Iran, however, is not North Korea.

What follows are major reasons why Trump is wrong if he thinks Iran will accede to his demands that it renegotiate a nuclear agreement with the United States to replace the JCPOA.

Reason One: Iran Isn’t Breaking the Law

North Korea was in open violation of numerous U.N. Security Council resolutions regarding its nuclear and ballistic missile programs, and there was (and is) widespread concurrence that North Korea’s nuclear weapons program posed a clear and present threat to international peace and security. While Trump’s hostile rhetoric toward Kim Jong Un represented American policy only, he was backed up by a global consensus that the threat from North Korea’s nuclear arsenal was no longer acceptable. North Korea was on the wrong side of the law, and it knew it.

Iran, on the other hand, had successfully negotiated a nuclear agreement with the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, Germany and the European Union. Its nuclear program today operates in total conformity with the terms of that agreement. The Security Council had passed a resolution undoing the totality of the economic sanctions imposed on Iran because of its nuclear program. Trump withdrew from the JCPOA because of American domestic politics, not because Iran threatened international peace and security. As the United States moves to reimpose sanctions on Iran, one is struck by the number of nations rushing to its side to join in this endeavor: zero.

Simply put, there is no compelling narrative than can be crafted that has Iran walking away from the JCPOA.

Reason Two: Iran Doesn’t Have to Win to Win

A war between the United States and North Korea, while potentially devastating for the entire region, had only one sure outcome—total American victory (at a huge cost), and the absolute destruction of the North Korean regime. In short, if Kim Jong Un opted for war with the United States, he would be committing suicide—and taking millions of others down with him. Kim Jong Un is anything but suicidal. He built his arsenal of nuclear weapons for deterrence purposes, not to engage in a self-destructive acquisition of technology. North Korea’s ultimate goal has been to break free of the international isolation it has been subjected to; nuclear weapons were a way to secure that outcome. The Singapore Summit occurred  because of North Korean initiatives—the Olympic outreach, the meetings with South Korean leaders, and so on. Kim Jong Un was not compelled to go to Singapore—a meeting with an American president was always his ultimate objective.

The Iranian government does not trust the United States and has no desire to engage in diplomatic relations with the United States. This does not mean that the two nations cannot peacefully coexist—they can, and Iran desires as much. But throwing the possibility of a grand bargain with the United States on the table in exchange for Iran giving up its nuclear program is sheer fantasy. As such, any effort to compel Iran into diplomatic engagement by threatening it with war is doomed to fail. Iran learned the lessons of Hezbollah’s ongoing conflict with Israel, and in particular that of the 2006 war, all too well. To win the war, Hezbollah did not need to defeat Israel; it had only to make sure Israel did not defeat it. This is an ambition Iran readily aspires to—it can shut down the Strait of Hormuz, cripple the global economy and ride out any American military response. In the end, the United States will succumb to international pressure and search for a negotiated settlement, and Iran will emerge victorious simply because it survived. Iran would accept this outcome rather than surrender its hard-won diplomatic achievement regarding the JCPOA.

Reason Three: Religious Democracy

North Korea is an absolute dictatorship—Kim Jong Un need only gain the concurrence of his inner circle to move forward on ground-changing policy, such as improving relations with the United States. Even then, any voices of dissent can be—and indeed, have been—summarily silenced. Kim Jong Un has a constituency of one when it comes to getting his policies approved: himself.

Iran is a far more complex problem when it comes to making policy—an Islamic republic governed by a democratically elected executive and legislature whose decisions are subject to review by a theocracy that itself is governed by a constitution and held accountable, via elections, to the will of the people. While Iranian democracy has been openly mocked in the United States as a sham, the fact is that democratic processes have shaped the Islamic Republic of Iran since its founding.

The current Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has spoken of Iran as being a “religious democracy,” where the people’s participation in the government, expressed through the vehicle of elections, is indicative of the nation’s health. Indeed, Iran’s 73.3 percent turnout in the presidential election of 2017, in which Hassan Rouhani won re-election, dwarfs the paltry 55.7 percent turnout in the U.S. presidential election of 2016 that put Donald Trump in office.

The JCPOA that was negotiated between Iran and the West was more than simply an expression of political will by the Iranian leadership—it was an expression of the will of the Iranian people, given voice through countless parliamentary debates and legitimized through repeated elections where the issue of Iran’s nuclear program factored in the balloting. The Iranian people would support its government refusing to bend a knee in the face of American threats; they would not support a government that surrendered their hard-won gains on the nuclear front, which the Iranian people suffered greatly to achieve.

Donald Trump lives in a transactional universe where everything can be dealt away. While this approach might work with New York City real estate and may even have limited application in international affairs, it fails where issues derived from intangible principles—something that cannot be monetized—are at stake. In Trump’s world, one can try to bribe North Korea with the promise of economic largesse or threaten NATO’s viability by placing a dollar value on continued membership. While the ulterior motives of North Korea agreeing—in principle, if not reality—to denuclearize, and NATO to increase its defense spending to 2 percent GDP per member, are probably far more complex than the zero-sum thinking that Trump’s transactional diplomacy suggests, the results are the same. But there can be no transactional diplomacy when the other side refuses to name a price, and Iran has made it clear that there is no price it is willing to accept to give up its nuclear program.

The danger here is that Trump doesn’t realize he is playing a losing hand. His bluff will be called by Iran (indeed, based upon Rouhani’s words, it has been called), but Trump will continue to throw chips into the pot until compelled to either reverse course and rejoin the JCPOA (unlikely), or force the issue and watch the United States enter a war with Iran it will not lose—but cannot win.

“Trump doesn’t realize he is playing a losing hand.
His bluff will be called by Iran . . . ” 

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60 thoughts to “Three Reasons Why ‘Fire and Fury’ Won’t Work With Iran”

  1. The pressure to go to war with Iran is coming from the Jewish Lobby. Israel fears a nuclear attack, but such a weapon need not come from Iran. Pakistan is a nuclear power, and their bombs will not be perfectly secure.

    It is likely that a nuclear attack will occur in the world eventually. My bet would be in the USA or Israel, both the prime targets of militant Jihadists

  2. “It is likely that a nuclear attack will occur in the world eventually. My bet would be in the USA or Israel, both the prime targets of militant Jihadists” (John Kirby)

    Europe is the easier target for terror attacks. Nuclear attack is threatened by Israel (Samson Option) Muslim hate and Jihadi terrorists are directed into western Europe. The terrorists come with the flow of “refugees” (migrants, invaders). Muslim fanatics and ISIS operatives (I-sraeli S-ecret I-ntelligence S-ervices their handlers) have been responsible for false flag terror (most likely: Nizza, Munich, Berlin)

    “As the United States moves to reimpose sanctions on Iran, one is struck by the number of nations rushing to its side to join in this endeavor: zero.“

    Will SANITY get a chance – at last?

    1. Freya,
      Militant jihadists are good at squeezing AK-47 triggers and nothing else. They lack the sophistication to pull off anything nuclear. Lets worry about CIA or Mossad……..a repeat of 911.

  3. For those interested in facts and NOT opinions – guesses- you might find out how the US Treasury controls all global commerce, thru use of USD$$$. Yesterday was the end of the first 90 day ‘wind-down’ period for effecting Iran’s sanctions.

    From THE US DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY:

    For detailed information regarding which GLs expire on August 6 and which sanctions are reimposed on August 7, see FAQ 1.2 of the Frequently Asked Questions Regarding the Re-Imposition of Sanctions Pursuant to the May 8, 2018 National Security Presidential Memorandum Relating to the Join Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA):
    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/jcpoa_winddown_faqs.pdf

    Much more here:
    —Resource Center—

    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/pages/iran.aspx

    (Excerpts)

    The 180-day wind-down period ends at 11:59 p.m. eastern standard time (EST) on November 4, 2018, and the remaining sanctions that had been lifted or waived pursuant to the JCPOA come back into full effect on November 5, 2018.

    For information about which sanctions will be reimposed on November 5, 2018, see FAQ 1.3 of the Frequently Asked Questions Regarding the Re-Imposition of Sanctions Pursuant to the May 8, 2018 National Security Presidential Memorandum Relating to the JCPOA. OFAC will publish additional guidance with respect to the end of the 180-day wind-down period no later than November 4, 2018:
    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/jcpoa_winddown_faqs.pdf

    OFAC has posted to its website updated additional frequently asked questions (FAQs) that provide guidance on the sanctions that are to be reimposed and the relevant wind-down periods. In addition, OFAC has posted to its website FAQs relating to the New Iran E.O.

    The U.S. government will continue to make aggressive use of its authorities to target Iran’s malign behavior.

    1. Few KNOW…..

      As of June 12, 2018:
      In total, since January of 2017, Treasury has taken action against over 460 individuals and entities engaged in activities related to, or directly involving, human rights abuse and/or corruption, including actions in connection with Syria, South Sudan, Democractic Republic of the Congo, Burma, Venezuela, North Korea, Russia, Iran, and other programs.
      https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0411

    2. OFAC Revokes Several Iran-Related Licenses To Begin The Process Of Re-Imposing Certain Iran-Related Sanctions Post-JCPOA

      https://www.cmtradelaw.com/2018/06/ofac-revokes-several-iran-related-licenses-to-begin-the-process-of-re-imposing-certain-iran-related-sanctions-post-jcpoa/

      Fulfilling one of the promises made on May 8, OFAC revoked both General License H and General License I authorizing certain transactions with Iran.

      GENERAL LICENSE H – REVOKED:

      General License H authorized U.S.-owned foreign entities to engage in transactions with the Government of Iran or any person subject to the jurisdiction of the Government of Iran. OFAC revoked General License H and replaced it with an amendment to the ITSR authorizing the wind-down, until November 4, 2018, of previously permitted activity, as described in the Final Rule published on June 28, 2018 (see 31 C.F.R. § 560.537).
      https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran_glh.pdf

      GENERAL LICENSE I – REVOKED:

      General License I authorized U.S. persons to engage in certain transactions related to the export or re-export to Iran of commercial passenger aircraft. OFAC has now revoked General License I and amended the ITSR to authorize the wind down of such transactions through August 6, 2018 (see 31 C.F.R. § 560.536).
      https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran_gli.pdf

  4. The aim is not to provoke a war against Iran, but to create economic hardships in Iran by tough sanctions. It is hoped that the people of Iran will then rebel against the regime, which will lead to regime change and a more favorable policy toward Israel. For this purpose agents provocateurs will be send to Iran to cause a so-called “color revolution”.

    ” The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, believes that the fissure in the Iranian leadership could lead to a serious crisis in Tehran, exacerbated by the local economy being on the brink of meltdown, with the Iranian currency in freefall. Add to the mix Donald Trump’s decision on Tuesday to pull out of the nuclear agreement with Iran and his promise to impose new sanctions on the regime, and Netanyahu sees a recipe for regime change – though at present he only speaks about it in private.”

    Source : The Guardian, May 11, 2018 : Anshel Pfeffer, Israel doesn’t want war with Iran – it prefers crisis in Tehran.

    So the purpose is regime change, not war.

  5. “Reason Three: Religious Democracy”

    “Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”
    – H. L. Mencken

    I believe this and believe it’s self evident to those who actually look.

    How then might a “religious democracy” work, I ask myself? Shall the lesser educated religious masses(voters), those who require the guidance and instructions of superior religious leaders to begin with, actually choose these superior leaders? Decide which religious leaders are the best, brightest, most religious and most sincere bona fide servants of Allah? Gosh, why do I have a feeling the most charismatic (handsome) and “best speaker(s)” will be getting a lot of votes..

    Sounds like another big old honking ME oxymoron to me.

    1. Yep –

      AND….

      “The state is really nothing more than that group of people who have been given the right to have a monopoly on the initiation of force to achieve their goals.” – Murray Rothbard

  6. The West Texas oil fields, for one, are experiencing another boom. The amount of North American production is dramatically increasing – but at what cost relative to Middle Eastern production? The imposition of sanctions against Iran will cause angst throughout the world, and America will suffer, too. The oil fields (like banking) are NOT nationalized. Their production is subject to profit. When a competition is diminished, the remaining producers become more greedy of gain. The consumer price of oil and gasoline will rise. America has no diesel refineries, and must import diesel fuel (the reason diesel is more expensive at the pumps than gasoline), or build refineries. (Thanks to Kissinger’s 1973 agreement with OPEC.)
    Furthermore, ENFORCEMENT of sanctions produces other costs. Outlawing the import of Persian rugs, e.g., will only make them more costly and desireable (like the Prohibition Act of the early Twentieth Century made some bootleggers rich) – not to mention the added cost of policing.
    If this becomes a “war”, the religious angle will GUARANTEE a rise in domestic “terrorism”. Death by A Thousand Cuts will be the strategy imposed against America. We shouldn’t be so reckless!

  7. I realise that what I am about to say will be dismissive of the bouts of good reasoning above, but I cannot resist saying it anyway:

    Trump is not averse to humouring his local Jewish lobby, nor the international one, wherever possible: He disses Putin and Russia every so often to ‘make up’ for refusing to act against that country, or against its allies: look at Syria! Assad remains in place. Syrian refugees are returning. Israel is seething.

    Likewise, he blusters about Iran, but will not act against it, despite Netanyahu’s jumping up and down while salivating. In other words, Trump puts to good use the contradictory noises he makes, willy nilly, without rhyme or reason. But they are less contradictory than strategically deceptive.

    The US lamestream media is well onto him: that is why they never let up on their Trump-hate. I hope he lasts, for if they hate him, he is certainly good for us.

    1. @ Sophie Johnson

      I have some respect for Scott Ritter because he was the most vocal opponent of the WMD lies about Iraq in 2002. His reward for telling the truth was being arrested for pedophilia in normal Deep State style. However, I think he missed it with Iran.

      Trump does not want war with Iran or regime change. He wants the Deep State out of Iran just like he accomplished with North Korea. The Deep State controlled Iran from 1954 to 1979. After the Islamic Revolution, the Deep State infiltrated and set up shop again. Trump is cutting off funds to the Deep State just like he did in North Korea with the added bonus that the Deep State will be revealed in the European countries that were involved in the Iran nuclear deal.

      Concerning Syria, you can expect the US forces in Syria to return home in the near future. The deal has already been made and is progressing.

      The reason the lame-stream media hates Trump is because they are the propaganda outlet for the Deep State and many within the media are guilty of treason. They are part of the 45,000 and growing sealed indictments. In an effort to regain the narrative for the lame-stream media, the CIA front companies like Google, YouTube, and Facebook are taking down sites and users that are pro-Trump and QAnon. Gates & Co. just today axed the most popular (50+ million views daily) site for QAnon posts with no reason given. It’s too late for them to regain credibility since about 90% of people doubt what they report at this point.

      The brief way I define the Deep State is the intel agencies, CIA, MI6, Mossad, a few others, and their stooges that work for the goal of world conquest for the jewish banking cartel.

      Trump will last. The plan he and his NSA/military intel team are implementing has been formulating since the JFK assassination. They have covered all the options and have all the info necessary.

      1. Ungenious, thank you! Your post is the best, most optimistic thing I’ve read in some while. What you say rings so true. I do hope it is. (Oh, heck: it has to be. Otherwise, holes would have shown up in your broad strokes.)

        I’ve always thought of the Deep State as something that sits squarely on us, the Anglo states, and somewhat less securely, on the rest of Europe. It is fascinating that you sight it in Iran, too. Does it hale back to the Shah’s days?

      2. @ Sophie Johnson

        The answer is yes, but it does not include all the different Shah’s

        I hate to quote Wikipedia as a source, but this brief paragraph has all the clues as to when the Deep State took over and why.

        “In 1951, the Majlis (the Parliament of Iran) named Mohammad Mossadegh as new prime minister by a vote of 79–12, who shortly after nationalized the British-owned oil industry (see Abadan Crisis). Mossadegh was opposed by the Shah who feared a resulting oil embargo imposed by the West would leave Iran in economic ruin. The Shah fled Iran but returned when the United Kingdom and the United States staged a coup against Mossadegh in August 1953 (see Operation Ajax). Mossadegh was then arrested by pro-Shah army forces.”

        Concerning “the plan” mentioned in my previous post, here is a quote from today that indicates it is having impact.

        “In 9/11 and in the 2008 financial crisis, the powers of the world worked together with a common approach. Co-operation today is proving much more difficult. This puts at risk the post-war economic and security order.” – Lord Jacob Rothschild, 8/9/2018

        Translation: The New Jew World Order is having problems and Trump is the reason.

  8. I have the same feeling, Sophie, but Trump is walking a very tight rope with Iran sanctions. Placating the Jew lobby is a thankless task – though necessary in today’s political climate. Trump surely understands the havoc (((they))) can inflict upon a nation (especially ours), and must act accordingly. He is not alone in Washington, despite appearances. The (((elephant))) in the room is too conspicuously ignored for it to be otherwise.

    1. There wouldn’t be militant Jihadists if not for ZOG, for ZOG did EVERYTHING ZOG could do to inflame the Islamic world. There is a Jihadist dynamic to Islam but the Muslims weren’t acting on it, the Muslims were not being Jihadists but ZOG made sure to bring the Jihadist dynamic in Islam to-the-fore, to enable and radicalize the more Jihadist sects in Islam. Hillary’s very close advisor for 20 years was Huma Abedin. Abedin’s family in Saudi Arabia bankroll Jihadist groups. John McCain is another one who gave/gives the Jihadists ALOT of encouragement and support. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, one of the main leaders of Jihad in the Middle East is a JEW. ISIS is owned-and-controlled by ZOG, the Muslim Brotherhood is owned-and-controlled by ZOG. I blame ZOG for Islamic Jihad more than I blame the Islamic world. Then there’s 9/11, obviously the Muslims did NOT do 9/11. The Muslims know they didn’t do 9/11. They know of course that they are being accused of something they did NOT do and they know that the very unfair accusation is used as an excuse to invade and destroy Muslim countries.

      If Americans were unfairly blamed for a 9/11 type event in some foreign country , let’s say Americans did NOT do that 9/11 type event in some foreign country, and that unfair accusation was used as an excuse for foreign countries to invade the United States, to destroy the United States, then Americans would also turn Jihadist. How can you not turn Jihadist when you’re obviously unfairly blamed for something you did not do and that unfair accusation is used to wage unending war against you?

      And while ZOG wages war against Muslim countries ZOG simultaneously invites Muslims into Western countries — while waging war against them in their Muslim homelands. ZOG makes enemies in the Muslim world then invites the newly created enemies into Western countries. ZOG is very very deeply evil.

      I like Trump, he’s much better to have as a president than Hillary, but still, he’s a president of the United States. You can’t expect him to speak too honestly. If Uncle Sam starts a war against Iran, I really hope Iran wins the war. I hate to say that — it’s not patriotic. But it’s about time Uncle Sam gets his faced-smashed in, for all the pain and suffering and destruction Uncle Sam inflicts on the world, especially the Muslim world. I don’t want to see the Muslims takeover the West [ a ZOG goal ] but that doesn’t mean I hate Muslims — I do NOT hate Muslims. I hate ZOG, I do NOT hate Muslims.

      1. @TROJ
        I haven’t commented for a while now but I feel I should say this to you, ” May God increase the light in your heart; may HE caress you with HIS grace and may HE take you back, when the time comes, with a sound heart.”

    2. Gilbert, what do you think will happen with Trump’s ‘sanctions’ threat to Iran? I thought that Rouhani stepped in all too neatly with his threat to close the Straits of Hormuz if the US mucks about with Iran. Indeed, that exchange was funny: as predictable as the strutting stand-off of the villain and the hero in a simple melodrama — a planned show to shut up Netanyahu?

    3. So then Trump really is wearing Salvation Brand clothing.

      In the great nation where the Trumperor lived, life was always gay. Every day many strangers came to town, and among them one day came Jew swindlers. They let it be known they were weavers of lies and they said they could weave the most magnificent political lies imaginable. Not only were their verbiage and elocution uncommonly fine, but the political lies woven from their cloth had a wonderful way of becoming invisible to anyone who was unfit for his office, or who was unusually stupid which, in fact described the general populous.

      “Those would be just the lies for me,” thought the Trumperor. “If I told them to my staff, I might be able to discover which men in my empire are really unfit for their posts and I could tell the Jews from fools. Yes, I certainly must get some of those lies woven for me right away” and he paid the Jew swindlers a large sum of money to start work at once.

      So the Swindlers set up two word processors and pretended to write, though there was nothing on the monitors. All the copyrights for the finest apps and the purest code, which they demanded for their work, went into their hard drives, while they worked the empty word processors into the night.

      Finally one morning the Trumperor was ready, so he picked up, his phone and off he went on a tirade threatening various leaders around the world and snubbing others, until the Trumperor’s tweets went viral throughout the web-o-sphere. Everyone on their Macs and Windows said, “Oh, how fine are the Emperor’s new words! Don’t they fit him to perfection? And look at his stupendous political triumphs!” Nobody would confess that he might be telling lies that would prove him either unfit for his position, or a fool. No words the Emperor had spoken before was ever such a complete success!

      “But he isn’t telling the truth, it’s all lies” said little Arch.

      “Did you ever hear such innocent prattle?” said everyone. And one person whispered to another what little Arch had said, “He isn’t telling the truth.” Little Arch says “he’s lying.” But no one paid any attention to little Arch and the Trumperor went right on telling lies.

  9. I realize that this comment is OT, but I want it to be known that I am upset over the attacks that were directed against Freya in the prior thread. Freya, your presence here is very much appreciated and you did absolutely nothing to deserve being on the receiving end of those unspeakable attacks. I’d like to know why the moderator saw fit to allow such a stream of verbal abuse to be directed against Freya.
    Those attacks were completely unwarranted …..
    Here’s an old German Folk Song that some of you may already be familiar with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw6o68QmBlo I dedicate this song to Freya !! Everybody who attacks Freya is compromising their hidden identity.

    1. And why do you think Freya was attacked, hmm? She was attacked,
      was she, because she was a paragon of virtue? Nice, innocent, charming, well-informed?

      No. She was attacked because she attacked another poster viciously, accusing him falsely of being a Jew. She did this to Franklin Ryckaert not once but several times. So she got the treatment she deserved.

      If Freya wants to post here without being attacked, let this vicious little German bitch make sure she doesn’t attack other people first!

      1. These exchanges rival those at ZeroHedge in its early “fight club” era. Reportedly sold to unknown (at least to me) buyers, ZH has declined in quality markedly over the past couple of years. For example, ZH now harbors a host of spammers and trolls and one-sentence wonders to complement its ever weakening offerings. Also sold by Jeff Rense to unknown (to me) buyers, http://www.rense.com now links as much or more to MSM sources and sites. Yet, both remain go-to sites for my gleaning what good information I can from the prodigiously vast world of data.

        Your point?! as my wife’s namesake granddaughter would ask with a smile, after her brother or I delivered a long, thorough, patient explanation or declaration. My point: Honest, forthright exchanges between and among commenter|contributors seem a reliable measure of a web site’s health. Like Freya, I too once came on this scene for the first time and began to post comments. I found then, and still find, palatable camaraderie among many long-time denizens, some of whom agree to disagree about long-standing, salient issues. Darkmoon features several seemingly odd uncle-in-a-closet personalities who spice the overall dish, not always to everyone’s taste. The usually substantive, occasionally provocative, posts — even those from limited hang-outs like PCR 😉 — bring me back here nearly every day, as much to read through the serial comments and enjoy the back-and-forth, the totality quite educational and humbling. I now know I know a lot less than once I thought I did!

        Thanks to all! And, thank you, Freya. Welcome to one of the finest “fight clubs” still intact on the web.

      2. @Alan Donelson

        I can second your words about Rense. It is more of a misinformation site than anything else. I stopped visiting it about a year ago.

        I use Zero Hedge mostly as entertainment when I need a laugh. Some of those that comment are quick witted, humorous, and cut to the chase.

        “I now know I know a lot less than once I thought I did!”

        I agree. Wisdom is humbling.

    2. Thanks again – and “yes” it’s about SAVE THE “GOYIM”
      (all Gentiles – “goyim” is derogatory “cattle” – and we are definitely human beings – with souls not inferior to those trying to enslave us)

      1. @ Freya

        “All Gentiles – “goyim” is derogatory [for] “cattle” – are definitely human beings with souls not inferior to those trying to enslave us.”

        How can be so sure of this? This is a serious question. I am not being facetious. I ask again: how can you be so sure you have a “soul” at all, let alone a superior soul or a soul on the same level as the Jewish soul? Just because you feel very strongly about this subject does not make your strongly held opinion true. I put it to you that you are hopelessly deluded — and that this self-delusion on your part is itself an indication of your mental and spiritual inferiority.

        Reflect: we Jews constitute only 0.2% of world population. Yet we own most of the world and control its media. America is in our pocket. Europe is our trinket. Israel is our base for further expansion. We issue the orders, and everywhere our slaves jump to our bidding.

        So how, please tell me, can you goyim be described as our “equals”? Can’t you see the truth staring you in the face?
        If you had been our equals, how was it so easy for us Jews
        to get the better of you?

        Please explain.

        A futile question of course. A bit like a dog owner asking his poodle: “Explain to me how you are my equal, dear pooch, since I am the one who has put a collar and chain round your neck and fills up your doggie bowl with food every day.” 🙂

        Just as the dog needs to know who is the master and who is the dog, the goy needs to know that he is the natural born slave and the Jew his natural born master.

        This is not necessarily so because of rabbinical rulings laid down in the Babylonian Talmud. This is probably the result of evolutionary forces and selective breeding. Eugenics over a long period of time could well explain Jewish superiority.

        I doubt you will understand any of this, Freya, since your knowledge of these abstruse matters is extremely superficial.
        But I think Franklin Ryckaert would almost certainly understand the point I am making. So also might that fascinating female, Sophie Johnson, though I doubt she would approve of what I am saying.

  10. JK,
    Let me put down my $666.66 dollar bottle of tequila. Nuclear weapons and delivery systems. All very complicated. Can Pakistán threaten Isreal? Donaldo has better chance of scoring a 14 yr old virgen tonight.

    1. Hi Donaldo,
      Not directly. but they might provide the bombs. Also there are said to be missing nukes from the old Soviet stockpile. The Jihadists would love to nuke Israel or NYC, and as Freya says, Europe is also a target.

      It seems inevitable that some sort of nuke, will be used, probably by the Jihadists.

      1. If anything is set-off, it will be a so-called “Dirty Bomb” — stop spreading nuke-fear porn. Move on, please.

      2. JK,
        Im a Jew. Never made it a secret here on Darkmoon. Im not Israelí……dont wannabe. I am, however, a realist. Israel has been an internationally recognized country for a long time. Israel aint going nowhere. While Donaldo doesnt agree ( like his Jewish grandfather) with the expansionist prophesies of the extremist élite which call themselves “Jews”, Israel has the right to self-defense. Israel is a formidable regional power with no equal and no reason to worry about nuclear attack from ANYONE in the ME. Israelís can sleep peacefully at night. No need to scurry to bomb shelters. The average Israelí DOES, however, need to concern himself with corrupt, fear-porn technicians like Bibi who invent crises after crises only to enrich themselves with more shekels. Its all business as usual for fat-asses like Bibi. Ask yourselves my Israelí brothers and beautiful sisters…..do you need people like Bibi running the show?
        Shalom from Donaldo. 🙂

  11. “Fire and Fury” will fail with Iran BUT… NOT with the global media!!

    The Iran narratives make the media – mainstream and alternatives – very rich!!

    Hate Trump??? Hell, NO!!

    ALL the media “BIGGLY” LOVE Trump more than any other leader today!! They especially love his verbal attacks on Iran. He has made ALL of them very wealthy!! 🙂

    He has bragged that his candidacy saved the NY Times from Bankruptcy.

    *After the election, MANY publications reported subscription increases!!

    The Wall Street Journal reported a 300 percent spike on the day after Trump’s victory. The Times added about 132,000 subscribers in a three-week period.

    *When Trump slammed Vanity Fair in a tweet in December, the magazine set a single-day company record for new subscriptions.

    What would Donald Trump’s most devoted supporters do if they learned that ultra-rich liberals living in New York City are behind his campaign?

    This is not a hypothetical question. The reason Trump has spent so little money on his candidacy is not that he’s “self-funding.” It’s because he has benefited enormously from what’s called earned media: television time he doesn’t pay for. —The endless interviews, town halls, Saturday Night Live and late-show appearances, press conferences, debates— these extraordinary advantages have been given to Trump by the very individuals and institutions that anti-establishment voters are said to despise!! 🙂

    Why? It was Les Moonves, the chairman of CBS, who let us in on the answer:
    Moonves is worth some $300 million. He supports President Obama. But, during a call with investors in December, he had nothing but kind words to say about Trump.

    The amount of money CBS was poised to make off Trump was “pretty phenomenal,” Moonves said.

    A large field of Republican candidates benefits shareholders. “The more they spend, the better it is for us,” he said.

    **“Go, Donald! Keep getting out there!”

    Trump didn’t need the encouragement.
    *It’s a virtuous cycle for Trump and the “press barons”.

    Trump benefits from earned media. The networks benefit from high ratings, which allow them to charge more for advertising.

    And all of the campaign ads and Super PAC and issue-advocacy spots desperately trying to stop Trump guarantee additional revenue!! 
    Imagine how sad Les Moonves must be that Michael Bloomberg has decided to forgo an independent presidential candidacy and has therefore deprived the networks of some $250 million in ad money. Moonves could have bought another house!! 
    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/donald-trump-making-mainstream-media-richer-powerful/

    1. Donald Trump May Hate The Media, But They Are Both Winners This Election

      “If the disgusting and corrupt media covered me honestly and didn’t put false meaning into the words I say, I would be beating Hillary by 20%,” President-Elect Donald Trump tweeted earlier this year.

      Well, he won, and the “disgusting and corrupt” media won right along with him – at least in terms of dollars and cents.

      The election and its shocking conclusion have proven fantastic business for media, particularly television networks, as the contentious race boosted both eyeballs and ad dollars – $$$$!! 🙂

      “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS,” CBS CEO Leslie Moonves said in February of Trump’s candidacy.

      This increased viewership translated directly into ad dollars. SNL Kagan, a media analytics company, predicts ad revenue for cable news networks to reach almost $2 billion in 2016, which is up 15% from 2015 and 25% from 2012, the year of last presidential election. CNN will reportedly see almost $1 billion in gross profit in 2016, which marks a 14% year over year increase. According to SNL Kagan, Fox News will also have a record-breaking year, with gross profit topping $1.67 billion.

      Though Fox News remains the leading cable news for the entire year–it even became the top-rated basic cable network this year for the first time in its history–CNN has seen the biggest in viewership growth this election cycle. The network even managed to topple Fox News to become the most-watched network in the 25-54 demographic for the month of October–a rank it has not seen in 15 years.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2016/11/10/donald-trump-may-hate-the-media-but-they-won-with-him/#c73497545c79

  12. NOT WAR against Iran – REGIME CHANGE is intended?

    How could Trump and Netanyahu hope for that? Don’t they know that the Iranians are a proud people and that they will NEVER bend to pressure from Rothschild’s Israel using the United States as their proxy? The Iranian government will rather be strengthened not weakened by outside pressure.
    “Trump blusters about Iran, but will not act against it, despite Netanyahu’s jumping up and down while salivating.“ (Sophie)

    In Remembrance: August 6 and 8, 1945:
    The Satanic Nature of the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
    “EVIL IS REAL. There is simply no way to understand the savage nature of American history without seeing its DEMONIC NATURE [ZIONIST DEEP STATE – THE REAL VICTORS of WW I + II – It was all about the SHIFT OF POWER] How else can we redeem ourselves at this late date, possessed as we are by delusions of our own God-blessed goodness? But average Americans play at innocence

    [AREN’T THEY INNOCENT? How can they be held responsible and declared guilty of wars they didn’t want? Americans have been betrayed again and again, their patriotic feelings exploited. American intervention in Europe (1917 and 1941) resulted in WW I and WW II. There could have been peace in Europe as early as 1916, if it hadn’t been for the Zionists (Rothschild-Balfour Deal) – and a completely different timeline could have evolved. – The false flag (DEEP STATE) terror attacks on Sept 11, 2001 (a self-created “new Pearl Harbor“, to kick off their “Project of a New American Century“, PNAC) caused an endless WAR OF TERROR (“War On Terror“) by those who made a PACT WITH THE DEVIL. Satanism is real – Not to care, not to stand up against the wars is wrong. THE WARMONGERS ARE THE GUILTY ONES, but the ZIO-AshkeNAZI media are always pointing the finger at “THE GUILTY WHITES“! It’s not the Whites, it’s the “Pharasites“!]

    Did it ever occur to those who are fixated on Trump that IF those who own and run the country wanted him gone, he’d be gone in an instant? He can tweet and tweet idiotically, endlessly send out messages that he will contradict the next day, but as long as he protects THE SUPER-RICH, accepts ISRAEL’S CONTROL of him, and allows THE CIA-MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX to do its world-wide killing and looting of the treasury, he will be allowed to entertain and excite the public – to get them worked up in a lather in PSEUDO-DEBATES“

    “SAVAGE WARS carried out by men and women who own and run the country, and who try to buy the souls of regular people to JOIN THEM IN THEIR PACT WITH THE DEVIL, to acquiesce to their ongoing wicked deeds. SUCH MONSTROUS EVIL was never more evident than on August 6 and 8, 1945 [and on July 25 to August 3, 1943, “Operation Gomorrha“, the ALL LIES firebombing of Hamburg; and of all major German cities, best known: Dresden, February 13 and 14,1945]

    “We have gradually been accepting rule by those for whom THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS is child’s play [RITUAL KILLING], and we have been masquerading as innocent and good children for whom the truth is too much to bear“
    http://tapnewswire.com/2018/08/the-satanic-nature-of-the-atomic-bombings-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/
    In Hiroshima and Nagasaki lived predominantly Christians. It was Cold-blooded mass murder,
    NO MORE WARS FOR THE SATANIC CABAL –
    TO THEM WARS ARE HUMAN BLOOD RITUALS

  13. Freya –

    You wrote:
    “Don’t they know that the Iranians are a proud people and that they will NEVER bend to pressure from Rothschild’s Israel using the United States as their proxy?”

    In a word..”NO!!”

    The Iranians have ALREADY bent to ROTHSCHILD many decades ago..

    They need… ROTHSCHILD’s USD to buy goods and services globally.

    The Iranians had no problem taking $$$Billlions in cash… USD by the plane loads from Obama.

    The Iranian rial is sinking… They will glady take more planes full of USD cash … right NOW!!!

    Of note also: in the Muslim world, Iran has perhaps the largest body of Jews politically affiliated with the government.

    From a muslim – last year:

    https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/americas-top-scientists-confirm-us-goal-now-is-to-conquer-russia/#comment-954700

    SEEB
    May 20, 2017 at 6:38 pm
    @Pat and Flopot
    Flopot,
    I know Pat has given you current data regarding Iran being a ZOG. I want to shed a little light on Shia Islam at its spiritual roots. The early Muslims have always accused the Jews of creating this sect.

    There was a Yemeni Jew, Abdullah ibin Saba by name, who feigned conversion to Islam and was instrumental in spreading this spiritual disease in the Muslim body politic. It is classic Jewish modus operendi. They’ve always done this and they’re still doing today.

    [……]

    From my perspective, Iran is 100% in the bag, no different than Saudi Arabia, China, Russia…. We are the ones being played for fools. This does not mean it is all a charade; it means the game is fixed, even so, real people die.

    Of interesting note is a transmission coming from the Prophet Muhammad that the fake Messiah will make his appearance in the world in Isfahan (Iran). He is described as a Jew of stocky build, reddish complexion with red curly hair. Of note also: in the Muslim world, Iran has perhaps the largest body of Jews politically affiliated with the government.

    Iran – just like Russia and China – needs a “YUGE” supply of USD!! 🙂

  14. So – the only thing reliable about The Donald is that he is not reliable, He plays all sides. He either is ((( THE SUPER-RICH’s ))) man (“We are the ones being played for fools. This does not mean it is all a charade; it means the game is fixed, even so, real people die.” – Pat) or he tries to beat them with their own methods (which will turn out to be good for his voters, good for America and for preserving peace in the world)
    What’s more likely?

    Not at all easy to decide. We’ll see as we move along . . .

    1. Freya –

      “You oughtta know by now”…. (Mama jew Cass Elliot;born Ellen Naomi Cohen sung that in Words of Love), that there are NO “voters” controlling anything nationally in the US or any other country!!

      The votes are rigged. ALL of them.

      I cannot imagine anyone to be so naive to believe that the power structures would allow their fates to be left to chance “voters” anywhere in the world. Big ‘Chief Red-Sign’ cannot have that!! 🙂

      Freya – that quote you attributed to me was actually what I copied from SEEB, the good muslim here.

    2. Myself, I do not find the question or issue RE Trump as POTUS difficult to answer or resolve whatsoever. The Donald is a puppet like every “elected” POTUS [president of US, Inc.] since John F. Kennedy took on life like Pinocchio and paid the price for insubordination or, alternatively, going off the reservation, dealt with accordingly. The popularity of QAnon, a psy-ops fueling wishful thinking about 4D Chess and The Donald et al., fooling black hats in Intel, Pentagon (!), NeoCONs, et al., speaks more to the yearning of all of us to have a Knight in Shining Armor ride to the rescue.

      For those of you who appreciate his work, Miles Mathis has another essay pertinent to this question. Woody Allen and the TEUTONIC KNIGHTS [http://mileswmathis.com/allen.pdf]. I won’t spoil the ending for you all. Suffice it to say, one can connect dots much like certain scientists say they can, call it “quantum entanglement” .

      To wit, albeit a very dry wit, like a martini 007 might quaff, in quantum physics, entangled particles remain connected so that actions performed on one affect the other, even when separated by great distances. The phenomenon so riled Albert Einstein he called it “spooky action at a distance.” According to Miles Mathis and Company (!) it’s ALL spooks. And (((Woody Allen))) and the (((Teutonic Knights))) have much in common.

    3. @ Freya

      Sister Monica, whom you blame for being biased and unfair, is not on duty today. I am. So you are attacking the wrong person — as usual, I might say.

      Your comments have been deleted not only because they are extremely rude and aggressive to Admin but because they now begin to shows signs of hysteria and mental abnormality. I am beginning to think you must be on some kind of medication for a psychiatric disorder.

      If you can post in a calm manner, like Sophie Johnson., and stop making a fool of yourself by accusing innocent people unfairly of being “Jews” and shouting and screaming like a mad banshee at anyone who disagrees with you, you may continue to post here. You have a choice. If you continue to throw these hysterical fits, go elsewhere and do it! Not on this site.

      No need to respond to this comment with further shouting and screaming about “injustice”. You have been treated fairly. We have no motive whatever to treat you unfairly, as we have nothing to gain by doing so. All the attacks you have received you have brought on yourself by your extremely bad behavior. No more temper tantrums please. (I am referring to your out-of-control deleted comments).

      We would like you to remain ON-TOPIC in future, OK? because when you are calm and on-topic your comments are excellent. We don’t want to lose you, so please, try and settle down and behave yourself.

      1. It may help to give a brief rehash of the events that gave rise to the alleged hysterical comments that were made by Freya and which the moderator isn’t letting through. This entire sordid affair began with a conversation that was going on between a couple of message posters regarding some type of Esoteric Jewish Minutia. Freya as the proverbial “the outsider looking in” then proceeded to jump into the conversation by posing a rather innocent question that was neither malicious nor insulting. Freya was simply wondering out loud as to whether or not these two message posters might be one and the same. This was the full extent of her “crime.” It certainly wasn’t a malicious question, nor was it particularly insulting, To the casual observer who isn’t well-versed in these matters, it may have sounded like a conversation that was going on between a couple of Jewish gentlemen, both of whom were “splitting hairs” over issues that are foreign to most gentiles. In response to this faux pas, an entire contingent of message posters then appeared who began to attack Freya in the most despicable manner, and over what ?? It is my humble opinion that Freya is a victim of “gaslighting.” Freya was being attacked in a most vicious fashion, and then, when she finally responded with some choice invective of her own – which the moderator is refusing to let through – then all of a sudden Freya is suddenly consigned into the role of the “bad guy” or the “heavy” who “brought it all on herself.” This type of behavior is classic provocateur-ism on the part of the wolf pack that was spewing all manner of billingsgate at Freya. I would like to know why this fine lady is being picked on so severely and over what ?? It’s rather like blaming the victim for responding in kind in the face of a deliberate provocation.

  15. Has anyone else noted how the American mainstream media was up in arms when President Trump criticized America’s European allies for their policies of accepting millions of so called refugees into their countries and demanding they pay more for NATO’s defense, but when he imposes economic sanctions on those same “allies” the American mainstream media doesn’t say peep. That is because the media is owned and operated by neo-con Jews that have been running American foreign policy for many decades and they support Europe’s first two policies I listed, but are against the third one.

    As we know, these Jews support the mass migration of non-Europeans into Europe because they hate Europeans. I don’t think “hate” is too strong a word when they want your race destroyed and constantly insult you with terms like “anti-Semite” and “NAZI”. I don’t think they would accept being called “kikes” or “murderous Bolshevik Jews” without screaming to heaven. They also support NATO and not demanding too much of Europe. They know NATO is run by the USA and NATO ensures America’s military domination of Europe and the world and it keeps Germany down. But they don’t mind threatening America’s allies with sanctions because their first and primary concern is Israel and they support anything against Iran’s interests, even imposing sanctions on countries the US calls allies. Imposing sanctions on any country is a hostile act which often leads to war. It is often one of the first things a country does before it attacks another country. Japan attacked the USA in 1941 because the US sanctioned, or embargoed selling any oil to Japan. A few months later Japan attacked the USA. Imposing sanctions on a country you call an ally is an outrageous act, and the US has threatened all of its European allies with sanctions. I suspect these threats are made much easier by the fact that the USA imports far more from Europe than it exports to them, so Trump thinks cutting off trade with Europe3 benefits the USA. Some people don’t agree.

    Both China and Russia have responded by imposing sanctions on the USA. I think Europe should seriously consider doing the same. The USA would have isolated themselves and Europe could forge closer ties with both China and Russia. The US used to be a major manufacturing power, but gave up much of that decades ago. Those sanctions my backfire on Trump and the USA. But no matter what happens, while this is all done for Israel and Jews, they won’t even be mentioned in the media in connection with this. Just as they weren’t mentioned in connection with anything that lead the allies to make war on Germany, although they were the puppet master puling all the strings.

  16. ADMIN (anoymous)
    You aren’t a careful reader and listener, are you? Must be hard on you and others.

    I wrote: “…if you are responsible for that“ – that’s not “BLAMING Sister Monica“
    That’s not “ ATTACKING the wrong person — as usual“
    That’s not attacking at all.

    “for that“ meaning DELETED comment @HP and @ADMIN because of that
    Can you see the difference?

    “… and behave yourself.” ???
    HAVE YOU EVEN READ (stressing the point by using CAPITAL LETTERS) THE STREAM OF EXTREME VERBAL ABUSE, the TIRADES of HATRED by the likes of Grammar Fiend, Sardonicus, Silent Reader, Ruth, Madame Butterfly, and coming in ON TOP: Seymour Zak, August 9, 2018 at 1:26 pm
    All kicked off by Grammar Fiend criticizing a flimsy typing error and FALSELY accusing Freya with calling someone an ((( EVIL JEW ))) An invented “accusation”
    TWO SIMPLE QUESTIONS have been asked. That’s all. Not Grammar Fiend’s business.

    WHO ARE THE ONES you should rather tell “to behave“?
    And to stop “shouting and screaming like a mad banshee”? The whole lot!

    “All the attacks you have received you have brought on yourself by your extremely bad behavior.” WOW – ALL of them? – “EXTREMELY BAD BEHAVIOR“ ?
    No bad behavior on my side. Very bad behaviour on the abusers’ side.
    Very bad discernment on your side.

    “No more temper tantrums please. (I am referring to your out-of-control deleted” comments).”
    Could you quote ONE “temper tantrum” on my side? You couldn’t. Would you quote the allegedly “out-of-control deleted comments” you are refering to? You wouldn’t. You PREFER keeping them unknown (DELETED)

    ADMIN TOBY: You are having a temper tantrum right now, Freya. The mother of all temper tantrums! And it is one of a series of similar temper tantrums, on display here for all to see. And it is NOT being “deleted”, is it?


    “further shouting and screaming about “injustice”
    I’ve not even mentioned the terms ‘justice’ and ‘fairness’ once!

    “accusing people unfairly of being “Jews”
    DELETING the actual comments & MAKING FALSE CLAIMS
    that’s TELLING LIES on your side (ADMIN) – SHAME ON YOU.

    If you take CAPITALS for “hysteria” and for “screaming“ – that’s outright foolish.
    It’s called stressing the important parts.
    “I don’t think ((( they ))) would accept being called “kikes” or “murderous Bolshevik Jews” without screaming to heaven.“ (Peter) – Hear, hear . . .

    “You have been treated fairly”
    OH – really? – and your DELETING my actual words and your inappropriate “admonitions” are proof of that “fairness”? How about allowing the readers to see and decide for themselves? THAT would be real fairness – and the normal thing to do.

    “We would like you to remain ON-TOPIC in future”
    IF you would care to read my comments you would find them right on topic –
    Contrary to the afore mentioned, Freya doesn’t indulge in verbal abuse.

    ADMIN – Obviously you side with ABUSERS (you don’t even tell your name – Sister Monica did, and She wouldn’t have done what you are doing)

    Would you allow an answer to ZAK’s tantrum?
    Or will that be DELETED too?

    My reply would be – and it’s really easy:
    EVILNESS
    psychiatric disorders – Jews like to blame on “dissidents,“
    on everybody critizing Jewish crimes
    EVILNESS
    that knows no bounds is the only superiority
    (((EVIL JEWS ))) can rightfully claim.
    Their self deceit will be their own demise
    for which they will have nobody to blame
    but themselves.

  17. Twitter diplomacy in the 21st century. Un-fucking-believable! There is no question the masses of Americans are completely programmed idiots, but the question is what kind of idiots have Americans become to allow and/or support this kind of saber-rattling insanity by a rampant megalomaniac with nuclear weapons and a twitter account?

    1. Oh, come on, Arch! He ain’t got no “nukes” to worry about, anyway. He’s just putting on a show – but don’t tell everyone. (It’s too entertaining – and I LIKE him!) 😀

      1. Hey..Gil!!!

        Wanna see nuclear diesel ful in Italy.

        It had to be nuclear explosions because….. there were several MUSHROOM clouds. JFC wudda luved this!! 🙂

        —-‘Wall of fire’ as tanker truck explodes in Bologna—-

        A video released by police shows the moment the tanker ploughs into the back of the lorry, immediately catching fire.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c9Q9-cE1uE

        More:
        https://www.sbs.com.au/news/wall-of-fire-as-tanker-truck-explodes-in-bologna

  18. Of late, my comments have been disappearing immediately after submission, so I have no chance to edit them. What’s more, I have to enter my identifying information every time I post. I suffer no such problems on other websites. Is there any way to fix this?

    Arch

    1. Sorry about this, Arch. This a new computer glitch inflicted on our site by our enemies. It is affecting everyone, not just you. Your comments will get through to moderation — and not just disappear into thin air — if you observe one rule. Make absolutely sure that you type in the SAME email address every time, WITHOUT TYPOS. Each time you change this or vary this or mistype this, you will experience trouble. Meanwhile, rest assured that all comments are entering our system, even the ones that just “disappear”. They are reappearing in our SPAM or TRASH folder which are now always checked regularly for disappeared comments. They are then posted, unless of course they are genuine spam or trash.

  19. —Iran is a Zionist Occupied Government—

    Being a – ZOG – is nothing more than conducting big business deals, using USD, with companies which support Rothschild’s Israel…. Like this Iran DEAL… last year:
    Boeing signs $3 billion deal to sell planes to Iran airline

    Boeing agreed to sell $3 billion in airplanes to an Iranian airline, deepening the American manufacturer’s bet on the Iranian market following the lifting of sanctions.

    The company agreed to sell 30 units of the 737 MAX aircraft to Iran Aseman Airlines, which…
    also acquired the rights to buy – ANOTHER 30 – at a later date…!!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2017/04/04/boeing-co-says-signed-new-deal-iranian-airline/100013846/

    France sells planes to Iran too….
    Airbus Will Sell 100 Planes to Iran After Similar Boeing Deal
    nytimes.com/2016/12/22/world/middleeast/iran-airbus-boeing-deal.html?_r=0

    …..
    Many folks cannot connect financial dots. The most important dots for ZOGs.

    Please KNOW… ALL NATIONAL LEADERS ARE LIARS..!!

    US & IRAN are not real enemies…. they are debt sinks.. debt holes!!

    They are the enemy only in your mind.

    Iran is ZOG controlled just like US. They need US Dollars…!!

    Example:
    Here’s HOW IRAN GETS USD.. just with TOURISM….
    –Iran’s Tourism Financial Group–

    Iran’s largest tourism HOLDING COMPANY:
    tourismgroup.ir/en/

    France also supports Israel:
    Iran’s Tourism Financial Group signs a Contract with the AccorHotels Group (France)
    http://www.tourismgroup.ir/en/blog/2016/01/31/irans-tourism-financial-group-signs-a-contract-with-the-accorhotels-group-france/

    …..

    **Iran supports Rothschild’s UN Agenda-21!!

    Iran’s Tourism Financial Group – First Iranian member of the UNWTO(1975)

    The World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) is the United Nations agency responsible for the promotion of responsible, “SUSTAINABLE” and universally accessible tourism.

    UNWTO encourages the implementation of the Global Code of Ethics for Tourism, to maximize tourism’s socio-economic contribution while minimizing its possible negative impacts, and is committed to promoting tourism as an instrument in achieving the ”SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS (SDGs) geared towards reducing poverty and fostering ”SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT” worldwide.
    -http://www2.unwto.org/members/states

    Iran’s Tourism Financial Group – Iran’s largest private-sector steel manufacturing company.

    —CEO of Iran’s Financial Tourism Group Meets with Kazakhstan’s Economic and Political Officials—

    Iran claims tourism will be the world’s top industry by 2020.

    …..

    Women’s veils slipping…??

    Iran’s Financial Tourism Group’s meeting and the Women’s Day Celebration

    Iran’s Financial Tourism Group’s meeting and the Women’s Day celebration were held at Imam Khomeini international airport hotels on Wednesday April 8, 2015 with the presence of Mehdi Jahangiri, CEO of the Group, and other bank officials

    tourismgroup.ir/en/blog/2015/04/19

    …..

    France supports Israel:

    FRENCH – “TOTAL S.A.” Returns to Iran With Mega Gas Field Project Worth $4.8 BILLION
    February 04, 2017

    Patrick Pouyanne, the chief executive officer of Total S.A. said on Thursday the French energy major is not worried about its gas deal with Iran amid reports that Total has resumed operations in Iran’s South Pars Gas Field megaproject.

    A senior official at Iran’s Oil Ministry said on Thursday that Total has officially started the development of South Pars Phase 11 in the Persian Gulf, effectively resuming operations in an Iranian energy project after a seven-year hiatus.

    “Total has begun work on South Pars Phase 11,” said Gholamreza Manouchehri, the deputy for development and engineering at the National Iranian Oil Company, IRNA reported on Thursday.

    The supermajor sealed a preliminary agreement in November, worth $4.8 billion, to develop Phase 11 of the South Pars at the head of a consortium that includes China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and Petropars, a subsidiary of the NIOC.
    https://financialtribune.com/articles/energy/58809/total-returns-to-iran-with-mega-gas-field-project

  20. “Three Reasons Why ‘Fire and Fury’ Won’t Work With Iran”

    “I don’t think ((( they ))) would accept being called “kikes” or “murderous Bolshevik Jews” without screaming to heaven.“ (Peter)

    Hear, hear . . . but Germans are not supposed to scream to heaven . . . the German people (all white nations) are supposed to succumb quietly to ((( their ))) various “after“ WW II “Soft Killing“ methods – since 2015 turning rather brutal again – White Genocide by an unlimited mass immigration into the increasingly COMMUNIST TOTALITARIAN “EUdSSR“ ruled over by commissars – Zionist Jews bragging about their leading role. Zionist Jewess A.Merkel opened the gates into Europe (as Jews opened the gates for the Moors to conquer Spain – history seems to repeat itself right now)

    “Those sanctions my backfire on Trump and the USA. But no matter what happens, while this is all done for Israel and Jews, they won’t even be mentioned in the media in connection with this. Just as they weren’t mentioned in connection with anything that lead the allies to make war on Germany, although they were the puppet master puling all the strings.“ (Peter)

    “. . . ((( they ))) weren’t mentioned . . .“
    The coin has finally dropped! THAT’S THE CRIME! Naming the Jew! Don’t name the Jew! Another THOU SHALT NOT . . . Obviously, that’s considered a crime (offence) in itself by Jews. They prefer to remain hidden.

    1. @ Freya

      Good comment, Freya. Don’t be frightened away from our site. You are needed here.

      Believe me when I say that, in spite of all the hassle you have received on this site, we have your interests at heart and the highest respect for your sharp intellect and idealistic attitude to life, which is so very German.

      Believe me also when I say this is a pro-German website. We love the German people and deeply regret the way they have been treated. The world would have been a better place if Germany had got the better of the Jews in both world wars. Germany is now an occupied country, and I think we can all agree on that.

      Kind regards and blessings,

      Sister Monica

      1. DITTO!!!

        I have great respect and love for the German-Swiss portion of my heritage.

        Here are pics of the caste remains of one of my distant relatives who came to America c. 1740. He was Martin Keller – the Duke of Farnsburg. He had to flee his castle due to high taxes he could not pay. Taxes broke him. The family fled with just a little money and personal effects. Left all the rest behind. His wife and one young son(namesake) died in the massive winter storms on the tiny ship in the Atlantic. He and his one daughter and his other son survived.
        Ruins remain:
        https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ruine_Farnsburg

        Tax records:
        KELLER -State Archives of Basel, Farnsburg, Arisdorf, Switzerland (Faust, Vol. II, pg.125-126; List of March 16, 1740)
        From Martin Keller of Arristorff, (bapt. July 11, 1706).
        Ten percent tax on lb. 2750 worth of property …275 Pro manumissione for him and his wife… 20 Ditto for their 3 children… 15 — 310 Elsbeth Haring, his wife, bapt. Nov. 6, 1707
        Their children:
        1. Hans Jacob, bapt….. March 7, 1729
        2. Elsbeth, bapt…. July 27, 1732
        3. Martin, bapt….. March 3, 1737.

        ….

        Taxes are just one of the jews’ greatest tools of death!! They kill unseen… Know it!!

      2. Thank you very much, Sister MonicaADMIN.

        But some further tidying up is needed now, I’m afraid – in response to the thread “Storm in Teacup . . .”

        There is a striking incoherence (which comes with editing) – TobyADMIN’s “nice words” addressing Freya on the thread “Three Reasons Why Fire And Fury Won’t Work With Iran” and my response are not mentioned at all.

        So it’s not really “unedited” but an INCOHERENT presentation of the overall context – which enables TobyADMIN to continue along the same line: “I’m not quite sure what is troubling this emotionally hyperactive German lady, but she seems deeply disturbed to me. Like she’s lost a few screws somewhere along the line and could do with a few lessons in self-restraint. . . .I have never yet encountered such a highly volatile individual in need of self-restraint. Is she suffering from kind of paranoia? . . . That’s an awfully paranoid world to live in !”

        That’s the reason why I rightfully call him a “hypocrite and liar” – TobyADMIN has done it AGAIN. He knows very well what my criticism was all about. . .

        There were no “screechy highly emotive posts” – too uncomfortable ones it seems.
        He prefered to DELETE them, not even mentioning them now (COMPLETELY edited out). Thus the reference point is missing . . . which allows him to paint that “German lady”(irony) as “emotionally hyperactive, deeply disturbed” – “highly volatile” and even “paranoid” (climax point)!

        That’s INACCEPTABLE.

        It’s TobyADMIN who is completely lacking self restraint. . .
        I considered apologizing for calling him a “madman“ but I’m refraining now. I’m awaiting HIS apology instead. He obviously does not like my direct approach, right to the point, most of the time (the opposite of “highly volatile”) He has got a problem dealing with criticism.
        That’s what I meant with “self deceited” (he seems not to realize)


        And have you found my answer to TheRealOriginalJoe in your spam folder too?

        “Thou Shalt Not Doubt The Holocaust”

        “Freya gets attacked for liking Hitler.“ (TheRealOriginalJoe) ?
        Really? I didn’t realize that. I didn’t see it that way. –
        Let me clarify. It has been a gradual learning process over the years. But once the spell was broken, there is no falling back asleep again. You keep searching for the historical truth – and one thing is for sure: in comparison to Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt (Rosenfeld) – all Jews – and their murderous, war mongering politics – was Hitler who made lots of peace proposals not the bad guy (not the monster he has been painted as – in never ending Hellywood productions) There is a lot to learn about the true history of both world wars, how they came about and for what reasons (power shift) This period of time is like ONE PLAY (since 1913 “Federal Reserve Act“ → 1914 European conflict was kicked off; 1916 Peace was prevented by the Rothschild-Balfour Deal; 1917 USA entered the European conflict → WW I: 1917 – 1919 (Versailles Verdict); 1939 “Blitz“ offensive against Poland (Danzig) → Second European conflict; 1940/41 Hitler’s peace proposals were ignored → 1941 USA entered the conflict, WW II: 1941 – 1945) The two world wars (and before) are like Act I + II of the play “March To Zion“ – “World Domination“. ((( The instigators ))) are players. The world is their chessboard. They play “gods“ with the lives of human beings, the fate of nations. The destroyers of nations consider us “worthless Goyim“, “fair game“ – and we’ve already entered the preliminaries to Act III. The further outcome is not fixed, the instigators might see that differently. The overall situation is very serious indeed – as their ultimate goals seem clear – for everybody to see.

        Awarding TheRealOriginalJoe:
        The Legend of the Dragonborn – A myth about the warrior’s spirit – Enjoy!
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8noz5gWCawI

      3. OK, you’ve had your say. And we’ve let you say it. So make up your mind if you wish to stay or go.

        If you wish to go, go now.

        If you wish to stay, you will stay here only on our terms.

        You will not address Admin again or lecture us on how we monitor our website. That is unacceptable. We are in charge here. You are a guest in our house, and if you don’t like the way we run things here, this is the time for you to go. Understand?

        Any further off-topic comments from you on this subject will be deleted. This conversation is now AT AN END. FINITO! I hope you understand what I am saying.

        CONVERSATION CLOSED!

        You are not doing us any favours by posting your comments here. WE are doing YOU a favour by letting you post your comments on our website. Understand that clearly.

    2. Germany is in “YUGE” trouble today. Third world DISEASED illegals can walk there.

      A NURSE IN GERMANY SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD

      “Yesterday, at the hospital, we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals are unsustainable.
      *Clinics cannot handle the number of migrant medical emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the main hospitals.
      *Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff, and we women are now refusing to go among those migrants!
      *Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.
      *Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we in Europe do not know how to treat. If they receive a prescription to the pharmacy, they suddenly learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: So, cure them yourselves! So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also the large pharmacies.
      * We ask openly where are all those who welcomed the migrants in front of TV cameras with signs at train stations? Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them.
      *Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. Only a small minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and very needy.

      If this continues and Germany re-opens its borders, I am going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even for double the salary back home. I came to Germany to work, not to Africa or the Middle East!

      Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who has cleaned every day for years for 800 euros and then meets crowds of young men in the hallways who just wait with their hands outstretched, waiting for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

      I really don’t need this! But I am afraid that if I return home, at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their systems, cannot handle this, then, guaranteed, back home will be total chaos….

      *You – who have not come in contact with these people have absolutely no idea what kind of badly behaved desperados these people are, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.
      *For now, the local hospital staff have not come down with the diseases these people brought here, but with so many hundreds of patients every day of this is just a question of time.
      *In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, who they’d dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died two days later, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The pediatric physician had to undergo surgery and the two nurses are recovering in the ICU.

      Nobody has been punished. The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we can only inform you through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed the doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he would have gone straight to jail and later to court. With these people so far, nothing has happened!

      And so I ask: Where are all those greeters and receivers from the train stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their uncomplicated, safe lives. If it were up to me, I would round up all those greeters and bring them here first to our hospitals emergency ward as attendants! Then in to one of the buildings housing the migrants, so they can really look after them there themselves, without armed police and police dogs, who, sadly today, are in every hospital here in Bavaria.

  21. Sister Monica, August 11, 2018 at 8:21 pm
    Is this post addressed to Freya?

    It’s a pity you’ve posted the first and not the revised second version of my comment. I’ve revised it to make some points clearer. Sister Monica, why are you so unfriendly all of a sudden:

    “You will not address Admin again or lecture us on how we monitor our website. That is unacceptable. We are in charge here. You are a guest in our house, and if you don’t like the way we run things here, this is the time for you to go. Understand?”

    Are you addressing Freya here?

    Toby ADMIN’s handling of the comments has not been correct – not the way to treat your guest – so it should be allowed to explain in what respect. Was that not the reason for putting up this thread? Is the thread CLOSED NOW? I haven’t even had the chance to reply to several posters. I really don’t understand what’s going on here.

    Sorry. That’s very strange:

    “Any further off-topic comments from you on this subject will be deleted. This conversation is now AT AN END. FINITO! I hope you understand what I am saying.
    CONVERSATION CLOSED!”

    VERY STRANGE.
    Would you care to clarify?

    1. @ Freya

      Did you hear what I said, liebling? Conversation over! CONVERSATION CLOSED!!!

      If you wish to believe you have been treated unfairly, then believe it. Maybe you are right. Maybe you have been treated with unnecessary harshness. If so, then accept my humble apologies.

      What more do you want?

      END OF CONVERSATION!

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