Moral Blackmail: Chief Rabbi of Britain holds Brits to Ransom by Playing ‘Antisemitic Card’

PUBLISHED ON TRUTHSEEKER

Chief Rabbi of Britain, Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis, sticks his nose into British politics by instructing people how to vote in the upcoming elections. Is this self-important autocrat finally getting too big for his boots?

By Finian Cunningham
28 November 2019

Updated by Lasha Darkmoon
with video and commentary added 

LD :  EPHRAIM MIRVIS (left), Chief Rabbi of Britain, plays “the anti-Semitic card” by accusing Labour Leader JEREMY CORBYN (right) of being “unfit for office” because of Corbyn’s alleged “antisemitism”. By doing so, the Chief Rabbi shows  that powerful Jews are no longer afraid to show their hands but are ready to make it clear who is calling the shots in Britain and elsewhere. [LD]


It is a ludicrous situation when anyone criticizing Israeli state violations against Palestinians or neighboring countries is then instantly discredited as being “antisemitic”.

We see this in Britain and the United States all the time. Congresswomen like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib have been denounced for being “anti-Jewish”, including by President Trump, simply because they protested Israeli policy of occupying Palestinian lands or for having a malign influence on US foreign policy.

In Britain, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and his party have once again this week been vilified as “antisemitic” in prominent news media.

The reality is that Corbyn is neither racist or anti-Jewish. The specious allegation stems from him and sections of Labour being vehemently critical of Israel and its conduct towards Palestinians.

If elected in the general election next month, Labour says it will cut military trade with Israel and move to officially recognize a Palestinian state.

This conflation of valid criticism of the Israeli state with being “anti-Jew” is a cynical distortion which is wielded to give Israel impunity from international law. It plays on moral blackmail of critics by equating the historical persecution of Jews and in particular the Nazi holocaust with the sanctity of the modern Israeli state.

That distortion is exposed by many Jews themselves who have spoken out in the US and in Britain to defend the right of people to criticize Israeli policies. They understand the vital distinction between the Israeli state and the much wider existence of Jewishness. They understand that to be opposed to Israeli state practices is in no way to mean animus towards Jews in general.

Only in the past week, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared his government intends to expand annexation of Palestinian territory in the West Bank. The land occupied by Israeli forces since the 1967 Six Day War is illegally occupied, according to multiple UN resolutions under international law. Now Netanyahu wants to increase the violations. And with the support of the Trump administration which also announced it was no longer viewing Israeli settlements on Palestinian land as illegitimate.

Over the past month, the Israeli military has stepped up airstrikes on the Gaza Strip where nearly two million Palestinians subsist in abject poverty largely because of an Israeli blockade. One family of nine, including children, was killed by an airstrike on their home on November 14. As always the death toll among Palestinian civilians is grotesquely disproportionate to Israeli victims of rockets fired from Gaza.

Israeli forces have also been carrying out hundreds of airstrikes in Syria, including the capital Damascus, over the past year. Russia, among others, has condemned those attacks as “unlawful aggression”. Arguably, war crimes.

When Jeremy Corbyn and Britain’s Labour Party and a handful of American politicians speak out to denounce Israeli violations they are doing so to uphold international law and voice support for victims of state violence. That is a principled and honourable position.

Shamefully, the US and British governments and much of the corporate news media never do speak out. They shield Israeli leaders from international accountability by vetoing UN resolutions or by turning a blind eye to Israel’s crimes.

Pro-Israeli lobbies funnel massive donations to politicians in Washington on both sides of the aisle, and to the British Conservative Party. Their silence is bought. Not only silence but outright distortion, such as when people criticize Israeli malfeasance – and there is much of that – then they are absurdly character-assassinated as “antisemites”.

Admittedly, many British Jews phoned into radio stations this week to complain that they feel unwelcome in Britain due to what they perceive as growth in antisemitism under the Labour Party. To be fair though, their claims were not backed up by hard evidence of specifically anti-Jewish behaviour. They were eliding their Jewishness with Labour’s criticism of Israel.

The claims made against Corbyn this week by the British Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis of being “unfit for office” because of an alleged complacent attitude towards antisemitism in his party should be put in context.

Corbyn has apologized several times for a tiny fraction (less than 0.1 per cent) of party members accused of antisemitism. Why should he be obliged to keep on apologizing, as BBC interviewer Andrew Neil imperiously demanded again this week?

Chief Rabbi Mirvis is a self-declared friend of Conservative leader Boris Johnson and an ardent, uncritical supporter of the Israeli state.

(LD: Former British prime minister, Theresa May, was an equally ardent Zionist. She had dinner with Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis on the very day she became prime minister. ) 

Mirviz got prominent media coverage for his views this week in the London Times and Daily Mail, among others. Britain’s rightwing media are owned by billionaire oligarchs who despise Labour’s manifesto for progressive wealth redistribution.

Official race-hate figures for Britain show that physical attacks against British Muslims are preponderantly more than attacks against any other religious minority, including Jews. Boris Johnson’s Conservatives have evident problems of fomenting Islamophobia. Yet we don’t see British media providing proportionate criticism on that to balance their focus on Corbyn and his alleged views.

The antisemitic card is played to shield Israel from important criticism; and by Britain’s plutocrats and their media who would rather see the public squabbling over spurious claims about antisemitism so they can keep on plundering wealth from the majority of British people.

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ENDNOTE

LD: Before you watch the 4-minute video below, it would be useful if you were to read this trenchant comment by our star commenter ‘Saki’ who is, I am told, a respected published writer on the internet under another name:

SAKI:  Title of video: “CORBYN REFUSES TO APOLOGIZE”.

In my view, Corbyn has nothing to apologize for. The interviewer Andrew Neil is a Zionist stooge who knows which side his bread is buttered on. He is a paid lackey of the Zionist Lobby, formerly on the payroll of Rupert Murdoch who made him editor of The Times. It does not occur to this Zionist sycophant that his repeated insistence that Corbyn should apologize ASSUMES GUILT IN ADVANCE.

ANDREW NEIL,  left, to Corbyn, four times:
“Apologize! . . . Apologize! . . . Apologize! . . . Apologize!”

Andrew Neil is like the Mad Queen in Alice in Wonderland who decides to pronounce the defendant guilty  first and then have a “fair trial” later on. If only the beleaguered Corbyn had countered each demand to apologize by the words: “What is my crime exactly? What do I need to apologize for?”

But he couldn’t do that. There would have been universal outrage at his suggestion that Israel was a pariah state in breach of international law, that Palestine was an illegally occupied country, that Israel was guilty of war crimes, and, above all, that the Holocaust should no longer be accepted as the canonical truth but that people have a right to question it, to doubt it, to dispute it, and to debate it.

I am not saying the Holocaust did NOT occur. I am not “denying” it. I am simply stating that the subject  ought to be debatable and that skepticism in regard to its details should not be regarded as a crime. Implicit and unquestioning belief in the Holocaust under Jewish coercion has to be seen for what it is: worthless. And punishment for not believing in this quasi-religious dogma, this new religion of Holocaustianity, should be regarded as a crime against reason and human rights.

LD:  These telling words by Jonathan Cook, in a new article on Truthseeker, will drive home the point that Rabbi Mirvis’s irresponsible intervention in British politics will produce an inevitable backlash, helping to fan the flames of antisemitism. It is my contention that this could be exactly what this meddling rabbi wants. As we all know, antisemitism is the glue that binds the Jewish community together by fostering the illusion of never-ending victimhood:

Mirvis’s intervention in the democratic process will drive them [British voters]  more quickly and more deeply into the arms of the far-right. It will persuade them once again that “the Jews” are a “problem”. 

Like Lord Balfour before them, [the Brits] will start thinking of how to rid Britain and Europe of these supposed interlopers.

This is why Mirvis was irresponsible in the extreme for meddling. Because the standard of proof required before making such an intervention—proof either that Cobyn is an outright Jew hater, or that white nationalism is no threat to the UK–is not even close to being met.

The sooner we allow our countries to be run by those we elect, and not by rabbinical bossy-boots, the better. [LD]

VIDEO  :  4.04 mins

156 thoughts to “Moral Blackmail: Chief Rabbi of Britain holds Brits to Ransom by Playing ‘Antisemitic Card’”

  1. Jeremy Corbyn owes Britin’s Jews no apology. It is they who him and the rest of the world an apology for sticking their nose where they do not belong.

    Aside from supporting ISISrael’s war crimes against Palestinians for the last years, now a new revelation reported by Israeli Daily Haaretz about an attempt made by 50 Jews to poison 6 million German prisoners of war ( by poising the bread and water supply) to avenge so called 6 millions victims of the Holy Ghost.

    These people are the source of unrest around the world and they spread mischief wherever they go. I doubt if any of them will address their secret plan to poison million of German, but they are willing to go as far as 3000 years to address the mistreatment of their people during the Pharaoh. Watch one day when israHell will sue Egypt for compensation.

    1. Title of video:

      “CORBYN REFUSES TO APOLOGIZE”.

      In my view, Corbyn has nothing to apologize for. The interviewer Andrew Neil is a Zionist thug, former employee of Rupert Murdoch, who knows which side his bread is buttered on. He is a paid lackey of the Zionist Lobby. It does not occur to this Zionist sycophant that his repeated insistence that Corbyn should apologize ASSUMES GUILT IN ADVANCE.

      Andrew Neil is like the Mad Queen in Alice in Wonderland who decides to sentence the criminal first and have a fair trial later. If only the beleaguered Corbyn had countered each demand to apologize by the words: “What is my crime exactly? What do I need to apologize for?”

      But he couldn’t do that. There would have been universal outrage at his suggestion that Israel was a pariah state in breach of international law, that Palestine was an illegally occupied country, that Israel was guilty of war crimes, and, above all, that the Holocaust should no longer be accepted as the canonical truth but that people have a right to question it, to doubt it, to dispute it, and to debate it.

      I am not saying the Holocaust did NOT occur. I am not “denying” it. I am simply saying that the subject ought to be debatable, like all other historical data, and that skepticism in regard to its details should not be regarded as a crime. Implicit and unquestioning belief in the Holocaust under Jewish coercion has to be seen for what it is: worthless. And punishment for not believing in this quasi-religious dogma, this new religion of Holocaustianity, should be regarded as a crime against reason and human rights.

      1. SAKI
        The question you raise over the term “Holocaust” is important.
        This is a book by Professor Arthur Butz of Northwestern University. He is a brilliant engineer and if you check his Wikipedia page you will find out the computer invention he created.
        This is his book from 1977: THE HOAX OF THE TWENTIETH CENTURY, free at his website:
        http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/

        He has many other books available for free there also, I recommend Germar Rudolf’s book. He was stripped of his earned PhD from the Max PLanck Institute for his telling the truth.

        The people are imprisoned by what they are manipulated to believe.

        “God does not change the conditions of a people unless they first change that which is in their hearts.”
        Qur’an 13:12

  2. SPEAKING OF JEWISH MIDDLING, HERE ARE SOME NOTES FROM DIARIES FROM 2112.

    WHEN YEARS AGO THE PUBLISHING OF ATALANTA JEWISH TIMES SUGGESTED PRESIDENT OBAMA SHOULD BE KILLED, YouR truly did contact via telphone my State Rep. my 2 US Senators, my Governor, and DHS to inquire about the story and to encourage them to publicly denouncing it. Here WERE the feedback AS RECORDED BY ME THEN:
    1-US Rep. Pat Tiberi [R]: will pass your message

    2-US Sen. Rob Portman [R] the president get threat all the time. Secret Service will pursue it. The Sen. will contact you.

    3- US Sen. Sherrad Brown [D] Unaware of the story! This is international new! Will pass your concern along and get a written statement. I am not holding my breath!

    4- Ohio Governor John Kasich [R] Get a voice mail. Left a message. This is like dancing in the dark. No one sees you and you do not enjoy it.

    5- Dep. of Homeland Security: They are aware of it! It is being investigated by the Secret Service. In response to my question, “as of today, the man has not been arrested or questioned by the FBI or DHS, why? The answer was: “things takes time!”

    Our army veteran friend, Marc Daniele who called his two US Sentators from the State of Montana and DHS get the sate treatment too.

    Just relax and the rest of you, relax Amricashouldcomefirst!
    The president has issue statement yesterday, stating, “This is yet another message to the world that the United States of America will stand strongly against any threats to our people”

    Don’t get confused here. President Obummer was not referring to the threat on his life by Adrew Adler, the owner and publisher of The Atlanta Jewish Times. Her was rather speaking about A night rescue operation by the Navy Seals of two aid workers in Somalia.

    Like it or not, when it comes to terrorism, America AND THE REST OF WESTERN WORLD HAVE two standards: one for Jews, and the other for other than Jews.

    IN CONCLUSION, Adrew Adler WAS NOT SENTENCED TO 20 YRS BEHIND BARS, BUT RATHER HE GET A SLAPPED ON THE HAND AND WAS FORCED TO RESIGN.

  3. Telling the truth about Israel brings down the wrath of the Jews. I am no leftie but I agree with these labour party supporters.

    Israel was established because the jews claimed it as their homeland, from 2,000 years ago. What an absurdity. They have subjugated the Palestinians and are still taking over more of their land, with American (Jewish Lobby) support.

    I don’t hate individual Jews, but if opposing the likes of AIPAC and MOSSAD is antisemitic then you can call me antisemitic

    1. AIPAC asks candidates for Congress to pledge allegiance to Israel, to support Israel in Congress. If they don’t then they get no financial help and their oponents get support. And then they complain about Russia posting a few comments on the web.

      It is Jewish Power, particularly in the US government that poses a threat to Israel’s neighbors. AIPAC et al persist in wanting the US to destroy Iran the way Iraq, Syria and Libya have been destroyed.

      As a big admirer of the USA, (The USA as defined by the Constitution) I hate to see the Great Republic manipulated in this way.

      Israel will sacrifice as many US soldiers as are required

  4. Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib do the Palestinians no favor by their voiced opposition to Israhell policies. Most Americans I know discount anything they say as leftist rubbish. The plight of Palestine deserves better attention, but it will have to be voiced by someone widely recognized as very patriotically American, or very “right-wing” British. (Help!)

  5. Since Palestinians are Semites, Israelis are the real anti-semites. And who are Jews? They sure are scammers, even when it comes to defining who are Jews. Consider that someone born down 10 generations through the female Jewish line, with the Jewess marrying a goy in each successive generation, would be less than 0.1% ethnically Jew but still be considered 100% Jewish even if an atheist. Yet someone born from a goy woman married to a Jew could be 50% ethnically Jewish yet considered 0% Jew unless converting to Judaism. Mind boggling.

    1. Noah had 3 sons, Shem (Semitic), Japheth, Ham (Hamitic). Only those of the line of Shem can be called Semites. Canaan was a son of Ham. The jews of today are racial mixed race. When Esau started to race mix, he lost his Semitic identity. In January 2018, in Cairo, Abbas also said that the Palestinians were the “original Canaanites” and were in Jerusalem from before the Jews. DNA tests identified the canaanites as the Lebanese, and the regions encompassing much of modern Syria, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories.
      “No one can deny that the Jews are a most unique and unusual people. That uniqueness exists because of their Edomite heritage. You cannot be English Jews. We are a race, and only as a race can we perpetuate. Our mentality is of Edomitish character, and differs from that of an Englishman. Enough subterfuges! Let us assert openly that we are International Jews.”
      —Manifesto of the “World Jewish Federation,” January 1, 1935, through its spokesperson, Gerald Soman
      “Edomite Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860.” Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol.
      Edom is in Modern Jewry. (The Jewish Encyclopedia,1925 edition, vol. 5, p. 41)

      1. Ingrid –

        Welcome back!

        If each of Noah’s sons had different mothers of different races…. they were not of a pure race.

        But, then, where did the women of different races come from?
        What were the names of the sons’ mothers? Were they on the arc?

        Since the sons took their wives on the arc – what were their races and names?

        To have pure races of peoples in the areas ascribed to them…. the wives of the sons had to be of the same race as the sons!

        See…. an answer always begs more questions about the myths! 🙂

        Women are not commonly named in Genesis, for some reason!!

      2. @Pat, I don`t know the answers to these questions either, by all accounts Noah was a randy old sod who defiled his daughters, but, as the old boy, Schultz, in that series about a prisoner of war camp would say, “I know nothing”..

        I see farther down that you berate Mahmoud for being fooled into fighting jew wars, he is not alone. Many young men, American and others, were also fooled, and many still are. Where do all these young, useful tools come from? probably the unemployed..

  6. The smoke and mirrors continues in ‘ England’. You can choose between the jew Johnson or
    on the other side, the jew Corbyn.
    Keep on voting Goyim. Vote for the jews.

    1. DERK, America is not a Jew nation by any stretch of imagination. May be it is under a Jewish occupation. Despite a majority of Americans being Christian, the Bill of Rights ensures religious liberty for all. If I criticize American foreign policy, it does not mean I hate America. As Lincoln once said, ” the right to dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

      As far your other too many personal questions, Please, if you are writing a book, skip that chapter. I take it the moderator of this site has deleted your comment, since it was offensive and personal in nature.

      1. Jews have carefully conditioned the goyim to be sensitive to anything; words, ideas or statements, that might give personal affront. There is definite need for people to be able to openly offend others. That is what free speech is all about; the ability for one to state their views, no matter how offensive it might be to others.

        Jews have weaponized the personal affront. They began their campaign using the American Negro as a straw man by outlawing the word “Nigger” because it was such a terrible personal affront to the Negro. Before long, the word became the “N word” that could no longer be uttered in public without suffering major repercussions. After enough people were fired from their jobs and publicly defamed, the word rapidly disappeared from the public lexicon.

        How many times have we heard the Jews scream about someone’s rather mild statement being a personal affront to Jews? In fact, didn’t the bad Rabbi in the above article take personal affront to Corbyn’s words?

        Of course with Jews it’z always “do as I say, not as I do!” With Jews, what’s good for the goose is never good for the gander. Thus while sensitive Jews immediately take offense at the slightest drop of a word, they have no problem making far worse offense, as they now do on a regular basis towards whites and everyone else they hate.

        No one ever bothers to ask why they are “anti-Semitic” instead of “anti-Jew.” Yet the reason is obvious, the word “Jew” is taken to be a personal affront to Jews. Back in the old days of “nigger,” one might also have said something like the following, “that SOB jewed the deal, cheating me out of far more money than it was worth.”

        Using the word “jew” as a verb was never anything but a pejorative to the Jew. To hide the fact they are Jews, and to give their terrible plight in a goy world a more “universal tone,” Jews began using the disingenuous term “Semite.” As I say, when one is accused of being an “anti-Semite,” they need to immediately jump to the fore in shaming the Jew by loudly proclaiming, “I’m not anti-Semitic, I’m anti- Jew!”

        We all need to thicken our skins. We need to develop the ability to look the Jew in the eye and say “F**K you bastard kike” without worrying about whose feelings are being hurt. (See, I can’t even use the kind of language Jew wordsmiths understand and use on a regular basis in their Talmudvision shows and movies.)

        Hurt feelings are but one of the feminized traits Jews rely on to bully others and get their way. As the Sufis say, “don’t take it personally. It’s not about you, it never was.” Of course offensive words lead to conflict. People begin to fight over words as is evident by the countless wars that began over offending words.

        Jews well know how to use words as weapons to begin conflicts, so they suppress our speech to keep the lid on, until of course the time is ripe for another “revolution” or civil war. Jews need to be beaten to the punch; they need to have their timetable unexpectedly disrupted. The fighting needs to begin before the Jews scripted timing begins it. Nasty, offensive, ugly words are the way to freeing ourselves from the grip of the Jew strangling our vocal cords.

        Don’t be polite and deferential as the cowardly effeminate Jew insists; stand like a man and offend, while being ever ready to defend your views.

  7. Lasha is dead right about Trump. Trump is a bully who does not like it when his victims fight back and give him a taste of his own medicine. It is false and misleading to accuse US Representatives Ilhan Omar Rashida Tlaib owes of being anti-Semitic, The charges were conflated and were intended to silence any criticism of ISISrael.

    I still remember Trump’s racist tweet when he told both Congresswomen along with the other two members of the ” squad ” team to go back to where they came from. Even though three of them were US born citizens.

    We all know that America’s strength lies in its diversity. Many immigrant groups have joined the mainstream of American life while maintaining their languages, religions, and traditions. This has made the United States a strong nation. Obviously, that seems to bother the president because it does not fit his vision of America.

    Trump refused to apologized for his racist and bigoted remarks and said instead, “The four Congresswomen should be the one who apologized.” In all fairness, the squad should tell him they are sorry he was elected. Why? Because the Squad are better Americans than Trump.

    1. I still can’t understand that a palestinian like you, a muslim, went to live in jew america. It boggles me all these muslims going to live in jew merica, if you hate jew america why did you go? For the money??? For the record i am no jew, no muslim.
      Why didn’t you go to another muslim country?

      1. There is no democracy, there is no Muslim country. Israel rules the world by proxy, as once said the prime minister of Malaysia. Look at Egypt, bloody murderous general Sisi was used to overthrow the democratically elected Morsi, of course, aided by Israel and financed by the oil thieving crypto Jewish tyrants of Saudi Arabia and neighbors. Under the rule of SisI over 60,000 have been jailed tortured and executed for no crimes committed whatsoever, yet the UN just appointed Egypt and Spain to oversee worldwide counter-terrorism. The tentacles of the Bolsheviks are everywhere. Jewish America, once the foreign policy is set aside, is a far better place than any of the so-called Muslim countries, which would otherwise be the most dreaded existentialist threat to the precious shitty little country shoring the east coast of the Mediterranean. Although that is now about to come to an end. It seems that Know more News had their YouTube channel deactivated 2 days ago. The war on free speech has reached unprecedented heights in the USSA, formerly known as the USA. Very soon the death penalty will apply to those who voice judeozionist criticism. The useful superidiots, ziopoopeinsteins regurgitators of encyclopedia jewrassica have done a hell of a job, amongst other closeted not-so-secret anymore secret societies.

      2. I can answer your question DERK, Mahmouds`family were forced to flee from Gaza when Mahmoud was still quite young..

        Speaking of Gaza, saw footage yesterday, on Press TV, about the difficulties the people of Gaza are facing in transporting rubbish to designated rubbish dumps. They are “allowed” just enough fuel to operate the trucks for 48 hours, otherwise little donkeys have to pull the loads. I have difficulty imagining how difficult it must be living under the conditions imposed on the people of Gaza by their prison guards..

    2. “Diversity” does NOT make this country stronger! That is a BS meme imposed upon young minds for propaganda and social “engineering”. Since the days when only white Anglos were in legislatures, our country has declined educationally and industriously and agriculturally. The military has, also, devoted too much energy and resources to placating the queers and feminists who now vote, too. Miscegenation is playing havoc with families and offspring – and lowering the I.Q. of the populace. Being “politically correct” has caused confusion and limp-wrist policies among society, as well as impeding academic instruction and truth-finding. Far too few blacks are as noble as Martin Luther King or Dr. Ben Carson. (I like economist Charles Payne, too!)
      The blacks have been targeted by the libtard white democrats to keep them an underclass for use in obtaining voting power. The best order is the “natural” order – which does NOT embrace “diversity”.
      It doesn’t mean we have to oppress each other – but it DOES naturally segregate the ethnicities, eliminating many conflicts and misunderstandings.

      1. Diversity builds strength when all the different factions are united under some overarching banner. The Zionists have long used the threat of a foreign army, first in their movies – independence day, mars attacks – then built upon it with terrorism – swordfish and other hogwash I no longer recall – On 9112001, the US was, in spite of its diversity, very United against this threat that morphed into reality.

    3. If diversity is America’s strength then surely it is everybody’s strength. So what are Palestinians fighting for? To make Israel Palestine again or to diversify and invite the world into their borders once they establish their state?

    4. MEY –

      “We all know that America’s strength lies in its diversity.”

      HA!! That is such a good farcical statement 🙂
      Alrighty then! By your standards… Palestinians should welcome jews into their land…. so as to have more “STRENGTH”!

      You spent decades of your life as a mercenary – paid fighter for jew bankers – in the US Air Force and are paid now by the US jews, since you draw retirement pay. No matter what your job was…. you had a hand in killing your own musselmen around the globe. You still reap the benefits given to you by jews. 🙂

      1. Palestinians don’t have any land. Jews have taken it all. Just like some don’t have brains but shekel induced rectal incubated drivel.

      2. Pat, first of all you’re a dumbass and a notorious liar.

        At first, you accuse me of being an ungrateful American for speaking out.
        Then you accused me of being a mercenary for volunteering to serve in the country I love.
        Mercenaries are criminals who kill people for money. I never served in combat.
        You naively asked why Palestinians did not welcome Jews in their land. Fact is, they did in 1940 and what they get in return was that Jews stole their land, killed their men, raped their women, and forced most of the natives out of their land, including my parents and my older brother.

        Finally, my retirement pay check comes from the US Treasury Department and from US Jews Department. Get your shit straight before your run your mouth and make a fool out of yourself.

      3. MEY –

        You wrote:
        “Pat, first of all you’re a dumbass and a notorious liar.”

        I knew you would finally resort to ‘name-calling’ as you have in the past, since addressing me as “Miss” did nothing to upset me…. and that got to YOU!! 🙂

        As you wrote…. your check comes from the US Treasury Dept…. which you should know…. is owned and controlled by jew bankers!! And you called me a “dumbass”… HA!!

        Even if you worked in a support group – like the kitchen – in the USAF… you supported the actual killers paid by jew bankers, as were you! And you called me a “dumbass”… HA!!

        You are really funny!! I can’t stop laughing!! 🙂 🙂

        BTW – I never stooped so low as to call you names, my Dear…. 😜

      4. http://newsletters.washingtonexaminer.com

        In Defense of U.S. Rep. Ilan Omar.

        Pat, your story about Omar is rubbish. It was published first by your Jew Jerusalem Post. Omar is the victim of Saudi propaganda after she was accused of being a “Qatari asset” and conduit to Iran during a Florida court case. She was targeted bc she spoke against the Saudi war crimes in Yemen and then in defense of Saudi journalist Jamal Khoshoggi whose body was dismembered by Saudi intelligence inside the Saudi embassy in Istanbul.

        A representative for Omar stated then: “Since the day she was elected, Saudi Arabian trolls and mouthpieces have targeted Omar with misinformation and conspiracy theories. The latest, outlandishly absurd story from a Saudi-funded media outlet is, of course, false and only the latest in that trend.”

        Bender said Qatar’s Secretary to the Emir for Security Affairs Mohammad bin Ahmed bin Abdullah al Masnad told him that the country “recruited Ilhan Omar from even way before she thought about becoming a government official … They groomed her and arranged the foundation, the grounds, for her to get into politics way before she even showed interest. They convinced her.”
        He alleged that Omar cooperated with Qatar’s request and received cash payments. He also claimed that she used her position in the House of Representatives to access sensitive information, which she relayed to Qatar and through them Iran. According to the deposition, Bender further told the court that Omar actively recruited other politicians on behalf of the nation.

        The Amir of Qatar said arrogantly, “If it wasn’t for our cash, Ilhan Omar would be just another black Somali refugee in America collecting welfare and serving tables on weekends,” That is a poppycock!

        The real truth,Rep. Omar is a courageous woman who survived the Somali civil war. She is the youngest of seven children who also lost her mother when she was two years old. She was then cared for by her father and grandmother before coming to America in 1995. I guess Congresswoman Omar can take few punches on the stomach from pipe dream propagandists bc she is a brave and patriotic American.

  8. Americans are being asked to surrender their rights to free speech for the sake of Israel. Don’t believe it? Look no further than who initially pushed for that resolution to condemn US lawmaker Ilhan Omar. It was the Anti-Defamation League and some Jewish members of Congress who were not happy with Rep. Omar’s comments. She was then forced to apologize for exercising her right to free speech and was told that she would be removed from the powerful House’s Foreign Affairs Committee if she ruffles “Someone’s” feathers.

  9. Like some demnted OLd Hag – spending every minute of every day projecting her sickness & psychosis onto others and plotting to avenge every imagined slight – do The Jews EVER STOP scheming, plotting and complaining?

    Has there EVER been a moments SELF-reflection with these people?
    Don’t they know what an insufferable pain in the [*] ass they are?

  10. I watched this story on PBS late last night waiting for the melatonin to kick in. My near only thought, besides how arrogant these jews are and how they’re getting worse by the month, is how many Palestinians have the jews murdered in just the last two years, and they’re bitching about this?

    C’mon! Society MUST be near the tipping point by now. (Can’t wait!)

  11. labour was born conceived with the help of those naughty ashkanazi.
    it is infiltrated with many today.
    corbyn has the blood of khazar deep within
    boris a turkick donmeh
    communism capital ism
    zionism
    actors bad acts by satanic players
    oriental jews of is real are 2nd class citizen
    the real semite children of gaza are part of a zio slow kill project.

    corbers believes in the united colours of benetton open borders vaccines mass migration.
    at chatham house he said he would use nukes press the button.

    if he was real would he not be robin cooked already

    maybe corbers is real i hope so
    his party is chock full of tory blair freaks
    and quiet believers in the oded yinon projects.
    new temple red heffers and all that crazy satanick stuff

    cameron,may,boris and corbyn all pirate race by blood
    making a mockery of the goy
    pantomime dames

  12. “They understand the vital distinction between the Israeli state and the much wider existence of Jewishness.”
    that’s good…
    the zionists were once as small a ratio compared to the rest of the jews as the jews are compared to the goyim..
    “And with the support of the Trump administration which also announced it was no longer viewing Israeli settlements on Palestinian land as illegitimate.”
    so much for trump the neutral negotiator, as he professed himself back during the election campaign…
    “Russia, among others, has condemned those attacks as “unlawful aggression”. Arguably, war crimes.”
    jews run russia too… forget about it…
    “Corbyn has apologized several times for a tiny fraction (less than 0.1 per cent) of party members accused of antisemitism. Why should he be obliged to keep on apologizing, as BBC interviewer Andrew Neil imperiously demanded again this week?”
    so corbyn is the con-troll-ed opposition…
    labor – the party of diversity, that is – invasion…
    the bishop hates the antisemites too.. surprise?
    C MIKE
    Jews trace their bloodline through the mother so the name changes won’t matter…
    a people so persecuted, you know they gotta do that…
    MAHMOUD
    “We all know that America’s strength lies in its diversity.”
    Is that something we know or something we’ve been told?

    1. Yes I saw the video on youtube and yes even islam is ruled by the jews at the top by crypto-jews and top freemasonry, jews of course.
      Of cours the common muslim don’t know and must not know that fact. All the three ‘ abrahamic religions’ have been established and being ruled by jews, by dialectic Hegelian way.
      I am still surprised that Mahmoud made such a good career. How is it possible that they trusted hem in the army. I tell you something there are people in Europe I heard who can’t get good jobs because they are not trusted being of German or Italian origin, academic smart people. Didn’t he kill for the jews as a military? Or did he have an administrative job in the army? Something fishy.

      1. All 3 Abrahamic religions fought the sick twisted Jewish supremacist agenda. But the Jews despised those religions and infiltrated them to destroy from within. And they have done a very good job at it.

    2. BARKINGDEER A clip of a video from a white supremacist YouTube page with computer generated voice commentary. FAKE. Stop insulting everyone’s intelligence with this obvious bs.

      1. White supremacists fall in 2 caregories: those who are dumb and thoroughly brainwashed by the faux Jews of faux news, latrine pits of Tel Aviv edition; and the Tommy Robinstein variety: brainwashed and backed by Zionist Shekels.
        All agent-provocateurs have these 2 traits in their fabric, a la Greta Thurnberg sailing the Atlantic in Rothschilds yacht. Conflict does not resolve anything, but evil Jews and freemasons know how to work them to their advantage by weakening opponents across the board. That settles the quid pro quo.

      2. I like your comments, Ed! 🙂

        Never occurred to those who call themselves “superiors” that they are being duped by the divide and conquer playbook? The Third Reich was a particular case of Nationalism where all nationals were from the same race, even so, in 1936 Jesse Owens was very well treated in Germany, according to his own book. He faced a different situation back home. One must adapt to the new reality: Globalism (Jewish Power) x Nationalism. The very National States are facing extinction risk; they can be called “Districts” in the One World Government dystopian future.

        Of course I’m not advocating a multi-cultural society, but I do make a distinction between non-white nationals and foreign invaders, or rapefugees. What about black conservatives, what is left for them? Pragmatically, the enemy of my enemy should be my friend; the Jews know how to do it.

    3. No Bark! I totally disagree with. In fact it is un Islamic behavior. It does saddened me to see however when a Muslim commits a crime, all Muslims and Islam are put on trial. Meanwhile, if the victims were Muslims, no one gives a rat’s ass.

      Let me post the same question to you and get your reaction.

      Is this your dude?
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-newzealand-shooting/new-zealand-massacre-suspect-charged-with-49-more-mosque-murders-idUSKCN1RG2JZ

  13. Another South African Rabbi, similar to this Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis. Their only loyality lies with themselves:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Harris

    I heard the news report on radio when Cyril Harris died 2004 when I still stayed in South Africa. He regularly appeared on a certain liberal English radio station, if I remember correctly Radio702, featuring the left leaning leaning Irishman John Robbie as presenter. When I heard Cyril Harris wish to be buried in Israel after his departure, I thought, so much for patriotism for this country.

  14. The “N” word so banished from polite discourse, except, when used with abandoned by loose limbed shucking, jiving, rapping Negroes, and those of the lessor breed, all coming out of the Jew owned recording industry, display the joys of multi-culturalism with no little attention payed to the female “hoes” with great genital admiration.

    So as we all can see, cultural mulching Marxism, for those “cultures” that partake of it’s fool’s gold, eventually find out where it all leads. We in the West are all riding in an out of control train run by the Khazar engineers with no return tickets, even for the engineers.

  15. Here’s the Bottom LIne: TalMUDism is INCOMPATIBLE with LIFE.

    So here’s the choice for you DUMB GOY [EXPLETIVE DELETED] * : “Do I FIGHT.. or do I DIE???”

    (Psst… Answer wrong… and you’ll DESERVEDLY burn in that HEll of your OWN making)

    * ADMIN: Stop using such potty-mouthed language.
    Totally unnecessary and banned on this site.

  16. Some think the cucked british will now be aware of the jew problem but I say they will do nothing same thing goes on in the US. the English people don’t even care that snake charming pakis are raping beating drugging and pimping little british girls. most of the young males would rather get drunk at a soccer game puke over each other then fight with the other teams fans instead of using that energy of 60k young guys to go in the streets and clean out the paki street shitters

  17. Terror struck in London again. Two dead and three more inured. My heart goes to the victims and their families. the perpetrator was said to be name Osman Khan. Obviously a Muslim.

    When I heard the news about the attack first, I hoped and prayed the culprit was not Muslims or has a Middle Eastern connection. There is no doubt in my mind that Muslim haters were crossing their fingers that the perpetrator who committed this crimes was named Mohammad or Abdul.

    Isn’t it odd that people conveniently blame Islam and Muslims when a Muslim commits a crime? However, when others commit a crime, be they Christians, Jews, or Devil Worshipers, their religion is never mentioned? Why is that? Inquiring mind wants to know.

    1. Ah contraire EL-Yousseph. People do in fact associate criminals, rightly or wrongly, with the perceived religio-cultural-political-genetic propensities of the criminal(s). It seems natural for the Jew or Muslim to leap to the defense of their religious and/or racial-ethnic brother or sister by making excuses. “Black lives matter” needs no elucidation. Christians not so much. Can there be any doubt Islam’s driving force is to take over the West by replacing Western law and culture with Islamic law and culture, and for anyone who does not acquiesce or convert? It’s lights out. Islam is a sex and death cult at it’s very core. And not unlike the Jews and their Talmud, the Muslim who may be a decent individual is down to his very core (Muslim women seem to have very little say in the matter) an Islamic living out the admonitions of the Koran ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
      White so-called Christians need to wake-up out of their Jew induced stupor. Whites are an endangered sub-species who have a propensity for killing off each other as per the American Civil War, WW1 and WW2 as recent examples. And as of late White America under the direction of the ubiquitous Jew has been killing Islamic people in their Islamic homelands which via the Islamic invasion is coming to the white homelands to bite them on their rosy white asses; much to the Jew’s delight. Wake up white world or parish.

      1. An addendum to the above. There was a link on Darkmoon to a very convincing article that after the so-called fall of 5th century Rome life in Europe and North Africa was pretty good for 2 centuries. Then Islam began it’s rampage. Islam took control of the great inland sea upsetting the trading lanes of Europe and Northern Africa therefore bringing about the so-called “Dark Ages”. It took several centuries before White Christian Europe was to gather it’s forces to defeat the Muslims at the gates of Vienna and at Tours, France eventually pushing the Muslims back across the Mediterranean to the by then converted to Muslim North Africa.
        Make no mistake. Islam is at it again. And the White Christian West is now and will pay dearly in the future if they do not gather their forces, as did the Christian Knights of old, so that never again will Islam attempt to take over the West. Let’s fact it folks. White Christian civilization has plenty of problems all on it’s very own without compounding it with female mutilating and degrading Islamic barbarian religion and culture. https://www.frostywooldridge.com/

      2. Correct, TJ –

        AND….
        Over one-quarter of Spain was named for the horrible conditions imposed by musselmen ON CHRISTIANS there who ruled for over 700 years!! The people of Spain built CASTLES to fend off the violent HORDES of musselmen marauders. The Spanish inhabitants lived in self-imposed prisons to survive for centuries – CASTLES! The ‘castle-dwellers’ were known as CASTILIANS

        Castile, Spanish Castilla….
        traditional central region constituting more than one-quarter of the area of peninsular Spain. Castile’s northern part is called Old Castile and the southern part is called New Castile. The region formed the core of the Kingdom of Castile, under which Spain was united in the late 15th and early 16th centuries.
        https://www.britannica.com/place/Castile-region-Spain

        Christian Asturians opposed the Moors at the Battle of Covadonga, the impulse toward reconquest was expressed only sporadically through the first three centuries of Muslim hegemony.

        After a failed invasion of Muslim Spain in 778, in 801 Charlemagne captured Barcelona and eventually established  Frankish control over the Spanish March, the region between the Pyrenees and the Ebro River. Asturian kings, presenting themselves as the heirs to the Visigothic monarchy that had ruled Spain prior to the Muslim conquest, capitalized on dissension within the Moorish ranks and expanded their holdings in the late 9th century. The Reconquest might have taken root at that earlier date had it not been for a resurgence in the power of the Córdoban caliphate and a break between the Christian kingdoms of Castile and León in the 10th century.
        https://www.britannica.com/event/Reconquista

      3. @ oejamicus, I get to differ. This can be best explained in a 2018 study research by University of Alabama revealed that terrorist attacks committed by Muslims extremists receive 375% more media coverage than those committed by non-Muslims. In addition, the study showed that the press coverage of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims received 105 headlines where as non-Muslims perpetrator received a mere 15% of the same media attention, no wonder why islamophobia is rampant and people like you holds hostile attitude towards Islam and Muslims.

        You may be unaware of the facts of a recent report that indicates there were 355 mass shootings in the U.S. in 2015. Only two of them, the alleged suspects, were Muslims. All other 353 mass shootings were committed by White supremacist groups. FBI statics indicate that over 90% of terrorist acts in the US are committed by non-Muslims.

        Instead of blaming all the ill in the west on Muslim, you should remember the post-9/11 adage about terrorism; when you see something saying something. Perhaps you could save innocent people lives. No matter who the intended victim were.

    2. Maybe the answer lies here:

      * * *
      According to reports, the INCIDENT was reported to Police at……1:58 pm ❗ 💡

      HOWEVER….Bori$ Johnson….UK Prime Minister….was QUICK OFF the MARK….and Tweeting @ 7:09 am….SIX HOUR$ in ADVANCE of the “incident” ❗ 😉 💡

      * 💡 *

      @ 7:09 am 29th November……..TWEET……..From…… 😉
      UK Prime Minister @10DowningStreet 💡 😡

      I’m being kept updated on the incident at London bridge and would like to thank the police and all emergency services for their immediate response” — Prime Minister Boris Johnson

      * 💡 *

      @ 8:35 am 29th November…….BORI$ Johnson…tweeted…….from…..Boris Johnson @ BorisJohnson

      I want to thank emergency services and members of the public for their immense bravery in responding to this suspected terrorist attack at London Bridge.
      This is an appalling incident and all my thoughts are with the victims and their families. 😆 💡 💡

      1. Thanks Wiggins.
        The Johnsteins tend to have info from the joossads, which tend to be light years ahead of the rest of humanity.
        On another note, Islamic Spain was advanced and tolerant. Parrotting Zionist garbage to suit the islamophobic prejudice ploughed and pounded into one’s mental acumen during decades of Talmudist Supremacist media and their insipid TV shows is blatant confirmation of an utter idiot, albeit an amazingly useful one. The Zios cannot deliver the truth on what happened yesterday. They cannot withstand arguments on their narratives of yesteryear. They enact laws which are passed by their whorish politicians to jail those who dare to question while banging the drums of democracy and slogans of freedom in their so-called independent media. They censor everything that has a different slant to what they say.
        Yet someone brings their stories about events that supposedly happened over a thousand years ago into the debate. How dumb can that be, seriously?
        For a more researched perspective on moorish spain, see Jason Webster, al Andalus. In the end the problem with the Muslims in Spain was the Muslims themselves, fighting against each other like dumbasses. Yet the contribution of the Moors in science, literature and architecture cannot be discounted.
        Also, male circumcision is an Islamic ritual, female genital mutilation is an African tribal practice, possibly also elsewhere, but does not have Islamic roots.

      2. @Wiggins

        Yes, the “terror attack” on the London bridge was in all probability a (classical) false flag. Purpose : to make sure that Boris Johnson wins the coming election and not “anti-Semitic” Jeremy Corbyn. Because Boris Johnson can now play the role of being “tough on terror”, while immigrant-loving Jeremy Corbyn cannot. That indicates (((who))) are behind it…

        For further reading, see :

        Aangirfan : London Bridge attack of November 2019, False Flag

        And : Greencrow as the Crow Flies : Terror Event Comes at Height of UK Election Campaign.

        These false flags are beginning to become boring, but apparently their perpetrators still think they are effective.

  18. They say patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel…
    I remember GHWB wrapping himself in the American Flag…
    I guess that would depend though on whether the scoundrel had already gone through religion…
    If not there would certainly be that to retreat to and hide behind…
    Which is not to say all religious and patriotic people are scoundrels…
    Not every General is a psychopath either..
    But the military is a good place for em…
    I’m betting the Christmas tree video is not a hoax..
    Nor all the ones of muslims attacking people for burning the Koran…..
    I think it’s clear Islam doesn’t tolerate separation of church and state, and they will play their litany over loudspeakers for the whole neighborhood to hear, whether they like it or not…
    Of course the cathedrals all ring their bells too.
    “Hear the heavy iron bells
    Solem bells
    What a meloncholy world
    Their monoty fortels”
    i think that’s close to Edgar A Poe’s original…
    Anyway, Americans want to be tolerant of immigrants and various religions…
    We do not want our country filled with invaders, who have no respect for our philosophy of equality of opportunity and equal protection under the law, no matter the person’s race or creed..
    Just as the Palestinians are second class citizens in yehudiilandia, so will the muslims refer to any and all infidels, who will not be equal under their sharia…
    We think Islam is toxic to America, until we hear it from them that their religion doesn’t foster unamerican ideals, that they understand the political sanctity of the separation of church and state, then they’re just like the Zion, another political problem we don’t need…

    1. Being very tolerant used to be indicative of gentility. Now, it seems indicative of stupidity. White behavior is more scrutinized in this regard than “colored” behavior because whites are expected to be more “tolerant”‘of inferiors.

  19. We should all agree that the Jew, in all their forms ( Zionist, Crypto, Talmudic Pharisaical Satanist, Bankster and Illuminati, etc.) are the real problem for the goyim. This also means that they are everywhere, whether you like or not, or whether you believe it or not. The Jew has infiltrated everything and everywhere. This is remarkable since they usually only make up less than 2% of any nations population. This feat is due to their craftiness, oh schifty Schiff. The Jew has also been kicked out of more countries or city-states than any race/sect/nationality since the time of Jesus Christ. However, they always seem to come back because they morph/mutate into something else. They are then only discovered when they utilize the same old tricks. The goyim though have not caught on – sadly.

    As for the disagreement over MEY (Yousseff), I appreciate that you are a moderate (middle-of-the-road) muslim. Despite some lovely surahs and great sayings, prophet Mohammed started Islam with a campaign by the sword ( Mecca – Medina) from 632 AD. This has continued to this day whether a direct or indirect descendant of Mohammed (Shia – Sunni). Sadly, this violent philosophy is used by western phony democracies (infiltrated by jews) under their Intelligence Agencies (CIA, MOSSAD, MI6, etc.) to feed and perpetuate this campaign of the sword (Caliphate). Unfortunately, this campaign does more to destroy Muslims and Christians than Jews in IsraHell. This of course is a Zio, Greater IsraHell plot with a cover story of fighting for OIL. Next, MEY, Mohammed, was a paedophile because he married a girl that was under 9 years old and then consummated the marriage after the child was just over 11 years old. Under Islam is this legal? We do know that under Judaic Talmudism, paedophilia is legal to as young as 3 years old. Next comes the idea of Islamic Sharia Law. Westerners fear Sharia Law because if it were to be implemented in their countries, Christian principles and Western secular Legal principles from the Magna Carta, Canon Law, Parlimentary traditions and Declaration of Independence/Constitutions would be meaningless. Sharia Law is scary enough when large groups of Muslims take over towns/cities in western countries (mostly European) and have street names in Arabic, Muslim mayors like in London, or NO-GO zones because these areas are controlled by Muslims and non-Muslims are afraid to go there, for fear for their lives. Sweden is like this now as England has been. Thus it is natural and logical to have like stay with like. Therefore Diversity is NOT our STRENGTH. It can only be such if everyone makes the nation a Melting Pot, like America had done. Lack of Assimilation is the problem. So when conducting business or interacting with others in a nation sense, common national norms with assimilation is required. However, in your own home you can do whatever your race/heritage or ethnic group does. Your home is your castle.

    The only way to combat the Jewish problem is to fight for the truth and tell the truth to power, even unto death. Thus whatever your religion, you will be rewarded in the end. Also if children just over 2 years old were allowed to interact with each other daily without interference, those kids would be color, creed and race blind. Don’t you wish adults could be like this? In this present world due to the ZioBankster Illuminati, chaos produces division which gives them control (order).

    This website and http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk are the only websites that allow you to say what you want, within reason, especially regarding the Jewish question. So when there is excrement, we can say it – BS.

    Lastly, since History repeats itself or that it rhymns, there will be a time in the near future when the descendants of Charlemagne (Frankish-Germanic) will defend Europe against the new Muslim hordes and then will also go after the Jews in IsraHell. When IsraHell is attacked only real Jews (the ones that stayed in Palestine since the time of Jesus will avoid death. The reason for this is that any other Jews that returned back to IsraHell from 1948 onward are not real Jews. The Palestinians are more Jewish than these phony Jews. God bless!
    A salam aley kum, a kum a salam.

    1. @Stormin’ Norman
      “Next, MEY, Mohammed, was a paedophile because he married a girl that was under 9 years old and then consummated the marriage after the child was just over 11 years old.”

      It is quite clear to any thinking person that this BIG LIE against the Prophet Muhammad (saw) has been spread far and wide. Therefore I cannot find fault in those who repeat it. It is understood.
      I would like to briefly point out that is NOT true. It is propaganda against the Prophet (saw).
      This not the only vicious lie put out about him but it is the one I will address. As I said, “briefly”.
      All of the following is uncontested.

      A’isha remembered the Revelation of a verse known to have been revealed in the fifth year of the Call or before (i.e., 8-13 years before the Hijrah).

      ‘A’isha was betrothed to the prophet two years after the death of Khadijah, or a year before the Hijrah.

      ‘A’isha did not accompany her father and the prophet during the Hijrah, but arrived in Madinah later, and became sick so that all of her hair fell out.

      ‘A’isha moved in with the prophet a year or two after the Hijrah, or two to four years after her betrothal. This is unclear from the various reports, which give different time periods, but all are agreed as to the general time frame.

      ‘A’isha was widowed in 11h (the 11th year of the Hijrah).

      She was a widow for about forty years and died in 50h.

      Among the people who report these facts is one Hisham bin Urwa, the grandson of Asma and ‘A’isha’s grand-nephew, who lived in Madina for 71 years and then moved to Iraq, who reported that ‘A’isha died in 50h.

      ‘A’isha’s older sister Asma was ten years older than ‘A’isha. Asma was 27 at the time of the Hijrah, making ‘A’isha 17.

      Asma died at the age of 100 in 73h. 23 years earlier, when ‘A’isha died, Asma was 77.

      Thus ‘A’isha was 67 when she died in 50h, seventeen at the time of the Hijrah, sixteen at the time of her betrothal to the prophet, and nineteen when she moved in with him.

      All of the reports saying that ‘A’isha was six at the time of her betrothal to the prophet come from Iraq, as do all of the reports that she was nine when she moved in with the prophet. There are no reports of this from Makkah or Madinah. This is uncontested. Most of these reports from Iraq came through Hisham bin Urwa, Asma’s grandson, mostly from his father. This is indisputable.

      Hisham bin Urwa is said to have reported (1) that ‘A’isha was nine in the second year of the Hijrah, (2) was widowed in the eleventh year of the Hijrah, and (3) died in the fiftieth year of the Hijrah ~ when his grandmother, ten years older than his great aunt ‘A’isha, was 77.

      The same person who said ‘A’isha was nine in 2h also said she was 67 in 50h.

      So the only reports that ‘A’isha was six, or nine, come from someone who also reports that she had to be sixteen when betrothed, and nineteen when she moved in with the prophet.

      was-salaam

      1. @ TLOA

        Your knowledge of this subject is indisputable and most thinking people would agree with you that no degenerate “pedophile” would be capable of writing an inspired religious text like the Qur’an or be the founder of a religion that has satisfied the needs of billions of people. Believing the worst of the Prophet, however, is what Islamophobes do. When you start of from a position of Muslim hatred, you are looking for things to hate and you are therefore only too ready to believe any lie that helps to cement your hatred.

        Believe me, the Christ haters do the same.

        Hence we are told (by Jewish film makers naturally) that Christ and Mary Magdalen were lovers and committed adultery. These people are all looking for evil, because evil is in their hearts, and so evil is what they find. Pay no attention to them. They are mentally and spiritually sick.

        I am not saying this about Stormin’ Norman who is an exceptionally nice person. It’s just that he is repeating what he has heard. He honestly believes that the defamatory lie he has heard about the Prophet is the truth, so we must make allowances for him.

      2. @TLOA

        Referenced source on Quran concerning Child Brides:

        Yemeni Child Brides, Aisha, and Qur’an 65:4

        Western Muslims are typically quite embarrassed by the fact that Muhammad had sex with a nine-year-old girl, and Muslim apologists are doing everything in their power to rewrite history in order to rescue their prophet from criticism. But are they willing to rewrite the Qur’an as well?

        According to Surah 2:228, if a Muslim man wants to divorce his wife, he should wait until she has gone through three monthly cycles (i.e. three periods). But the question later arose: What are men who want a divorce supposed to do when their wives, for whatever reason, do not have monthly cycles? The Qur’an answers this question in Surah 65:4, where it gives divorce rules for (1) women who do not have monthly cycles because they are too old, (2) girls who do not have monthly cycles because they are too young, and (3) women and girls who do not have monthly cycles because they are pregnant. The verse declares that, if Muslim men want to divorce girls who haven’t yet reached puberty, they must wait three months (after having sex with them).

        Here are some translations of Surah 65:4.

        Qur’an 65:4 (Shakir)–And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.

        Qur’an 65:4 (Arberry)–As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.

        Qur’an 65:4 (Yusuf Ali)–Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

        Qur’an 65:4 (Hilali-Khan)–And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

        Qur’an 65:4 (Sher Ali)–And if you are in doubt as to the prescribed period for such of your women as have despaired of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and also for such as do not have their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears ALLAH, HE will provide facilities for him in his affair.

        Qur’an 65:4 (Rodwell)–As to such of your wives as have no hope of the recurrence of their times, if ye have doubts in regard to them, then reckon three months, and let the same be the term of those who have not yet had them. And as to those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. God will make His command easy to him who feareth Him.

        Here are three classic Muslim commentaries on 65:4.

        Tafsir Ibn Kathir (on Qur’an 65:4)—Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.

        Tafsir al-Jalalayn (on Qur’an 65:4)—And [as for] those of your women who (read allà’ï or allà’i in both instances) no longer expect to menstruate, if you have any doubts, about their waiting period, their prescribed [waiting] period shall be three months, and [also for] those who have not yet menstruated, because of their young age, their period shall [also] be three months.

        Tafsir Ibn Abbas (on Qur’an 65:4)—(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months.

        For Muslims who want to say that this verse could refer to divorcing prepubescent girls whose husbands haven’t had sex with them, the Qur’an refutes this claim. Surah 33:49 says that there is no waiting period if a man has not had sex with his bride.

        Qur’an 33:49–O ye who believe! When ye marry believing women, and then divorce them before ye have touched them, no period of ‘Iddat have ye to count in respect of them: so give them a present. And set them free in a handsome manner.

        Hence, the Qur’an says that there is no waiting period if a man hasn’t had sex with his bride, and the Qur’an prescribes a waiting period for men who want to divorce their prepubescent child-brides. This presupposes that the men have had sex with them, which means that the Qur’an allows sex with prepubescent girls. This shouldn’t be surprising, since Muhammad himself had sex with a girl who hadn’t reached puberty.

        This is not Islamophobia ,but the evidence and interpretations make my point. Thus I rest my case concerning Mohammed and his child bride!

      3. Saki –

        Muhammad WROTE NOTHING – he was – ILLITERATE!!!!

        Islamists wrote….

        “First of all, we’d like to state that Almighty Allah chose Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) even though he had grown up as an orphan and was TOTALLY ILLITERATE. All good qualities and virtues reached ultimate perfection and were firmly established in him, which no one else can attain except the prophets whom Allah has protected and guided. This combination of perfect qualities is one of the greatest proofs of the truth of his Prophethood (peace and blessings be upon him). He acquired his knowledge direct from Allah. He was not taught by any human being, but he was the “City of Knowledge”.

        “With regard to the question of the illiteracy of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him),Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states:

        “Almighty Allah says:(And thou (O Muhammad) wast not a reader of any scripture before it, nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood.)(Al-`Ankabut 29: 48) He also says:(Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them …) (Al-A`raf 7: 157)”
        https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=5926

      4. @ Pat

        Saki –

        Muhammad WROTE NOTHING – he was – ILLITERATE!!!!

        So you say, Pat! But why should Saki trust YOUR sources? Do you trust Saki’s sources? Or TLOA’S sources? Or any true Muslim’s sources? No, you don’t! So stop trying to force your atheistical, Islamophobic ravings on to others.

        By all means speak out, but don’t expect to make any converts to your anti-religious HATE SPEECH on this site! The only coverts you will make here will be others like yourself, people of limited outlook and lacking in spiritual experience. The evidence that you are involved in anti-Muslim hate speech on this site is your puerile reference to all Muslims as “MUSSELMEN”. Why do you use this mocking language? This pejorative term reduces you to the level of the lowest and most abusive redneck — it’s the equivalent of the n-word.

        I feel very sorry for you, you sick old dead ender.

      5. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that Pat is mentally disturbed. Just watch him respond to your comment, if he responds at all. It will be with more mockery and a shower of silly smiley faces. Yet another ad hominem attack, just like a Jew or a Useful Idiot for the Jews.

        Pat is under the delusion that he is captain of the team here, and the “team”, a bunch of White Supremacist Ku klux Klan racists like himself, will raise a feeble cheer for him. “Well said, Pat!” The King of the Dung Flies will receive the full support of the Other Dung Flies on this site.

        Can’t you stop using the hate-speech word “Musselmen”, you low-minded degenerate?

      6. DrP –

        You wrote
        “By all means speak out.”

        Thanks for the permission and invitation! 🙂

        I believe I did that already! 🙂

        Just to make RUTH a prophet… I offer these also: 🙂 🙂

  20. Stormin’ Norm,
    Several years ago someone wrote a little booklet, buried in my library, called The Cuttlefish. This little booklet will not be found for sale on the net. The cuttlefish has been a metaphor in other writings, but in the little booklet in question the cuttlefish was a metaphor for our favorite tribe. You wrote: “This also means that they are everywhere, whether you like or not, or whether you believe it or not. The Jew has infiltrated everything and everywhere. This is remarkable since they usually only make up less than 2% of any nations population.” And like the cuttlefish, organized Jewry when pushed for their activities will “squirt” out ink to hide behind and escape.
    ” Sharia Law is scary enough when large groups of Muslims take over towns/cities in western countries (mostly European) and have street names in Arabic, Muslim mayors like in London, or NO-GO zones because these areas are controlled by Muslims and non-Muslims are afraid to go there, for fear for their lives.” And to add to that even the Euro police fear to tread into the “NO-GO” zones allowing “safe places” for the Muslim criminals to retreat with little or no consequences.
    And lastly: “Also if children just over 2 years old were allowed to interact with each other daily without interference, those kids would be color, creed and race blind. Don’t you wish adults could be like this?”. No! Two year old children soon grow up and in their instincts, without interference from the (((cuttlefish))), will realize that multi-cultural, multi-racial and multi-religious fleshpots etc. are destructive to ALL the disparate and different components that make up the inevitable chaos so beloved by the (((mixologists))) and their mindless follow travelers into the pits of hell on earth.

    1. Ruth, Pat is like a venous snake here. She spread toxic information about, me, the Palestinian and Muslims. She is mean spirited woman and Muslim enemy # 1 on Darkroom.

      I do not like censorship. But why does this site bans the usage of the “N” word, and allow the use of Pat’s favorite derogatory term, “Musselmen.”

      Thanks Ruth for stand up for what right! You are the best in the West!

      1. Wiktionary : Muselman

        Etymology
        From Italian musulmano, from Ottoman Turkish مسلمان‎ (müsülman, müslüman), from Persian مسلمان‎ (mosalmân), from Arabic مُسْلِم‎ (muslim).

        So the ultimate origin of the form of this word is the Persian word for “Muslim”.
        One can safely assume that for the Persians the word has no derogatory connotations since they are Muslims themselves.

      2. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        One can safely assume that for the Persians the word [MUSELMEN] has no derogatory connotations since they are Muslims themselves.

        The word ‘Muselmen’ may not have had derogatory connotations for the Ancient Persians, but you miss the point entirely: WE ARE NOT ANCIENT PERSIANS! We look at these matters from the perspective of modern eyes. The word “Muselmen” certainly has derogatory connotations for me, and it is definitely used by Pat in a tongue-in-cheek manner to convey mockery and contempt. If he denies this, he is lying — and he knows he is lying. After all, why go out of his way to use such such a quaint and sniggery word — it’s also longer — than the simple word “MUSLIM”? What is wrong with the word “Muslim”, pray tell?

        Who refers nowadays to Jews as “Hebrews” or “Israelites” or “Khazars” unless they are going out of their way to be insulting?

        The word “nigger” was once a completely acceptable term of reference in nursery rhymes and idiomatic expressions such as “ten little niggers” and “a nigger in the woodpile”. But things change, and we need to mutate and move with the times.

        The blacks and the Muslims are here in our midst, as are the Jews. They are either human beings and have human feelings and should be treated with respect, or they are horrible beasts who deserve nothing but our hatred and contempt, our mockery and derision. It’s up to us to choose our attitudes. All I’m saying is, this website clearly does not wish to make itself a forum in which no Jew or Muslim or black dares to express an opinion. It does not wish to make this site a “Whites Only” enclave. Or an exclusive club for the Ku Klux Klan.

        Even the Occidental Observer allows Jews, Muslims and blacks to express an opinion in its columns. If you are free to attack Jews, blacks and Muslims here, surely you don’t want them to be banned from defending themselves? That would be Stalinesque censorship of the most repressive kind.

        BTW, I am a white person. But I have a respect and tolerance for good Jews, good Muslims, and good blacks. I know you are the type of person to despise black people en masse simply because their collective IQ is lower than the European average of 100. But tell me, would you insist that your black cook or maid servant had an !Q of 120-130? Would you not be capable of treating a nice, smiley black cleaning lady with an IQ of 80-90 with kindness and respect? After all, many of the white waitresses, cleaners and barbers who cater to your everyday needs have similarly low IQs of 80-90.

        Just my two cents…

        Respectfully,

        Saki

      3. @ Mahmoud El-Yousseph

        I don’t think Dr Parker’s comment was unfairly deleted. You may not like what Pat says, but his language is always mild and never abusive. Unlike Dr Parker’s comment which was extremely abusive and used the f-word and the c-word several times. In comparison, Pat is a well-informed commenter, most of whose comments are very helpful and politely expressed. I don’t think the word “Muselmen” is used by Pat as “hate speech”. It’s more a term of gentle mockery which I think it would be ridiculous to ban. What next? You can’t call Trump an “orange clown” because that’s too offensive? 🙂

        Next thing we’ll be banning the word “idgit”. Oh golly-goo, I’m gonna sue you for calling me an idgit!” 🙂

      4. Franklin –

        Correct….. But MEY calls ME a dumbass, liar & idiot! HA!! He should read more history of the US. 🙂

        You see… I knew that when I read that US Presidents wrote “musselmen’ in the treaties with the Bey of the barbarians of the African coast… and the Bey agreed to it!! 🙂

        <<>>

        ––Barbary Treaties—

        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/barmenu.asp

        1796:

        This is just one of the treaties signed by musselman Bey and Subjects between 1786 and 1836!

        Note that George Washington claimed the USA was NOT founded on the Christian Religion. He knew there were too many London Pharisee-Jew Bankers in control there.

        –Treaty of Peace and Friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli of Barbary–
        http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

        ARTICLE 11.
        As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen ,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

        ……

        Signed and sealed at Tripoli of Barbary the 3d day of Jumad in the year of the Higera 1211-corresponding with the 4th day of Novr 1796 by
        JUSSUF BASHAW MAHOMET Bey
        SOLIMAN Kaya
        MAMET Treasurer
        GALIL Genl of the Troops
        AMET Minister of Marine
        MAHOMET Coml of the city
        AMET Chamberlain
        MAMET Secretary
        ALLY-Chief of the Divan

        Signed and sealed at Algiers the 4th day of Argib 1211-corresponding with the 3d day of January 1797 by
        HASSAN BASHAW Dey
        and by the Agent plenipotentiary of the United States of America
        [Seal] Joel BARLOW

      5. @Saki

        The word Mosalman is the normal word for “Muslim”, not only for the ancient Persians but also for the modern. That word entered European languages via Turkish, probably at a time Islam – that reputed “religion of peace” – was engaged in a violent struggle with Europe in the Balkans. That may be the cause the term acquired a negative connotation. Very little in Islam’s violent history suggests for Europeans a positive connotation, unless of course one denies the reality of history “for the sake of peace”. Personally I am more interested in reality than in “feel good” arguments.

      6. Ok Franklin, I take your point. You are most erudite! And I also accept that Pat is not really stepping out of line by referring to Muslims as “Musselmen”.

        I’m just trying to put in a good word for Mahmoud El-Yousseph who I would hate to see driven off this website by concerted attacks made upon him. After all, he is a true lover of Palestine and a consistent critic of the evil Zionist regime built on stolen land, which is why he has my support. His family were expelled from Palestine in 1948 and many of his older relatives lost their lives at Deir Yassin. A man like this needs a modicum of respect. His Muslim ethnicity must not be held against him.

        Omar Khayyam was also a Muslim. So was Rumi. So was Edward Said. Are all these men bloodthirsty jihadists bent on destroying the West? Use your common sense, Franklin! You know the real enemy is the international Jew. Let’s not take our eye off the REAL ENEMY!

        My comment is also addressed to the inimitable Pat.

        Best wishes to both of you,

        SAKI

      7. Saki –

        You are very wrong! I use ‘musselmen’ to educate people on American history!!

        You – AND MANY OTHERS – should study more of it before you criticize ME!! 😜

      8. @Saki

        Edward Said was a Protestant Christian. Christians in the Middle East often have “Western” names, hence “Edward”.

        Yes of course there are and have been good people among Muslims, like in every other community. Some Muslims are good, some are bad. The worst in my opinion was the founder of that religion itself, but my explanation for that would not be welcome on this website, so I’ll refrain from that. For those interested, there is the website religionofpeace.com under the head of “Muhammad”. Enjoy!

      9. @ Franklin Ryckaert

        The worst in my opinion was the founder of that religion itself, but my explanation for that would not be welcome on this website, so I’ll refrain from that.

        We have never censored or deleted any of your excellent comments here, as far as I know. Admin welcomes free discussion at all times, especially if it is backed up by research and reputable links. You are bound to meet with hostile commentary here from Muslims, however, as any attacks on the founder of Islam are bound to meet with intense hostility. As long as you can put up with these personal attacks on you, you are welcome to state your views here.

      10. Franklin –

        More than meets the eye here…..

        “Islamic Takeover In Michigan: Thousands of Shia Muslims March in Rashida Tlaib’s District”

        Thousands of Shia Muslims took to the streets of Dearborn, Mich…. reportedly in Rashida Tlaib’s district, and marched.

        The incident in question happened back in September, but the video just became available.
        https://www.waynedupree.com/shia-muslim-march-tlaib-district/

  21. From books that jewish Josephus wrote.

    Now all the writers of barbarian histories make mention of this flood, and of this ark; among whom is Berosus the Chaldean. For when he is describing the circumstances of the flood, he goes on thus: “It is said there is still some part of this ship in Armenia, at the mountain of the Cordyaeans; and that some people carry off pieces of the bitumen, which they take away, and use chiefly as amulets for the averting of mischiefs.” Hieronymus the Egyptian also, who wrote the Phoenician Antiquities, and Mnaseas, and a great many more, make mention of the same. Nay, Nicolaus of Damascus, in his ninety-sixth book, hath a particular relation about them; where he speaks thus: “There is a great mountain in Armenia, over Minyas, called Baris, upon which it is reported that many who fled at the time of the Deluge were saved; and that one who was carried in an ark came on shore upon the top of it; and that the remains of the timber were a great while preserved. This might be the man about whom Moses the legislator of the Jews wrote.”

    Now the sons of Noah were three,—Shem, Japhet, and Ham, born one hundred years before the Deluge. These first of all descended from the mountains into the plains, and fixed their habitation there; and persuaded others who were greatly afraid of the lower grounds on account of the flood, and so were very loath to come down from the higher places, to venture to follow their examples. Now the plain in which they first dwelt was called Shinar. God also commanded them to send colonies abroad, for the thorough peopling of the earth, that they might not raise seditions among themselves, but might cultivate a great part of the earth, and enjoy its fruits after a plentiful manner. But they were so ill instructed that they did not obey God; for which reason they fell into calamities, and were made sensible, by experience, of what sin they had been guilty: for when they flourished with a numerous youth, God admonished them again to send out colonies; but they, imagining the prosperity they enjoyed was not derived from the favor of God, but supposing that their own power was the proper cause of the plentiful condition they were in, did not obey him. Nay, they added to this their disobedience to the Divine will, the suspicion that they were therefore ordered to send out separate colonies, that, being divided asunder, they might the more easily be Oppressed.

      1. @Mahmoud El-Yousseph

        That is a beautiful idealized version of the life of Muhammad. Surely you know there are also other versions. For an introduction to the subject, see :
        Wikipedia, Criticism of Muhammad.

        For a critique of Islam from a Christian perspective, see :
        Answering Islam, A Christian Muslim Dialog and Apologetic.

        For an Islamic reaction to Answering Islam, see :
        Refuting Answering Islam.org – Call to Monotheism.

        Peace.

  22. i guess it’ jut not possible for religious people to see the error of their own ways…
    the ‘prophet’ mohammed never predicted a god damn thing..
    please allow my offer of constructive criticism…
    somebody hangs the word “prophet” on the guy (himself – and he killed anybody who didn’t think so) and 1400 years later people, who would have no experience with the person at all, are referring to him as though he was some kind of wizard…
    giving a character a name doesn’t make it so…
    the prophet this, the prophet that…
    don’t you get it yet my brothers and sisters – you are regurgitating your indoctrination, which was physiologized as your braincells, when you were forming your ego-selves?
    that’s all you’re doing…
    but why?
    the same applies to the said jesus character, who is called the ‘savior-messiah’ and the ‘son of god”, which means exactly what, i don’t know…
    it sounds kinda good, and after all, if the guy had no special name, he’s be just another smart monkey…
    but saying it doesn’t mean it’s so and it doesn’t prove anything…
    on the other hand, if we all GET REAL, ONLY if we all GET REAL, do we have a chance to change the authorization code on what we think we can think, and therefore begin to allow ourselves to evolve…

    1. He who knows not that he does not know is a fool, shun him, he who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a wise man. Follow him. Attributed to Confucius.
      The egomaniacs on this website know who they are, always trying to back it up with their copy and paste supergenius. Wikipedia etc.

      1. Well written, ED –

        The genius of this site is that the original articles are “COPY AND PASTE” by Admin. However… you should not berate Admin.

      2. @ Pat

        Please let me know if your above comment is intended as an insolent attack on Admin and, indirectly, on this website. Be honest. I’m sure Admin would wish to know for future reference.

        What are you trying to say?

      3. BR –
        Admin knows better than that! I directed my comment to ED, who has been jabbing me for a long time…. and I just let it go, until now.

        ED wrote:
        “The egomaniacs on this website know who they are, always trying to back it up with their copy and paste supergenius.”

        ED was berating folks who copy and paste. I was warning ED that Admin could take that as a derogatory swipe…. which ED should not do….. since articles here are copied and pasted. That’s all.

        I don’t understand why so many are so defensive here lately…. especially about my comments when I use facts. I even copied & pasted from treaties between US & musselmen to back up my claims!!! 🙂

      4. @ Pat

        I apologize sincerely for having misunderstood you. I am no longer baffled! If Ed had been attacking you earlier on and you were simply responding to him with a counter-attack, you are of course behaving in a completely reasonable manner. Ed can be a bit annoying and patronizing at times, assuming an omniscient attitude which I myself find regrettable. You are not like this and your comments are commendably polite as well as meticulously supported by good links.

        Cheers, Pat.

        — No Longer Baffled Reader!

      5. Pat, if you tell people the truth on the WWW without making them laugh, well they probably can’t kill you but they will be calling you names and such.

        You need to be more like me, Pat.
        You know, more lovable and funny!
        lol..

      6. @ Hp

        Pat is lovable enough as he is. He is extremely lovable. You are both lovable in your different ways. I can honestly say I find both of you well worth reading, even when you say things I disagree with.

        For what it’s worth, I think you are at your best, dear Homer, when you are praising your guru and informing us about Vedanta and its relevance to the modern world. Here is a beautiful picture for you which I hope you will like. It is just the type of picture LD would adore as an illustration for one of her exotic otherworldly poems:

        https://i.pinimg.com/originals/75/84/4e/75844e664779e251a1dcd69d16de4dd7.jpg

        What do you think?

      7. Madame, twas tongue in cheek with Pat, though that’s nice of you to say.
        I just had to get my two cents in! Pat knew that.

        And the painting hurts if I look at it too long, but it’s the thought that counts, innit.

        I do like Jiminy Cricket..

      8. Yes, Homer – I understood completely that you were tossing in your two-cents worth of fun. 🙂

        You also did that a few days ago here with the embedded link as “Duuuuh”:
        https://www.darkmoon.me/2019/the-tar-baby/#comment-995880

        “HP
        November 27, 2019 at 3:12 pm
        “It’s dishonest and even blatantly ignorant to always recuse, make excuses for and downplay the history of the #1 slavers of all time – Islam and Muslims.
        “Of course one might have to actually take a Honest look a the 800 years of Islamic invasions and conquests in the name of religion. Even today it continues. But oh well eh, they’re victims now, even as they continue to expand, usurp and out breed their (lol) hosts in the spoken and unspoken goal which is what? Yeah, the same old same old. Conquest and conversion.
        “Seems as though the word all the many intellectuals and pipe dreamers are struggling to pronounce and grasp the meaning of is; Duuuuh.
        “Let the but, but, but, but, but, but, but, begin!”

        <<<>>

        BUT – when I copied and pasted the link and some excerpts…
        showing the #1 slavers of all time – Islam and Muslims.

        https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html

        …….. ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE!!!
        AND….. I lakta died laffin!! 🙂 🙂

        You discretely put in YOUR “two-cents”…… and ironically, I got FIVE DOLLAR’S WORTH of hateful venom out of REPEATING it!!!! 😜

        You even outright taunted the readers with “Let the but, but, but, but, but, but, but, begin!” Hilarious!! 🙂

        But it did yield over 125 comments so far on this thread, at my “BIGGLY” capable expense… GOOD SHOW, Homer!!

  23. Chief Rabbi of Britain looks no less funny than Chief Rabby of Poland who climbed over the fence of the synagogue of the local jewish community in Cracow and torn his pants, his ass facing numerous cameras.
    Prior to poking his nose into politics let him disprove one of their HOLY TRINITY (K.Marx, Z.Freud, A.Einstein)
    “Before we can effecively combat anti-Semitism, we must first of all educate ourselves out of it and out of the slave mentality which it betokens. We must have more dignity, more independence, in our own ranks. Only when we have the courage to regard ourselves as a nation, only when we respect ourselves, can we win the respect of others; or rather, the respect of others will then come of itself. Anti-Semitism as a psychological phenomenon will always be with us so long as Jews and non-Jews are thrown together. But where is the harm? It may be thanks to anti-Semitism that we are able to preserve our existence as a race; that at any rate is my belief.
    ( Speeches and Lectures by Professor Albert Einstein. Translated and edited with an Introduction by Leon Simon. London, The Soncino Press, 1930.)

    1. Ephraim Mirvis (‘displeased’ with anti-semitism) v/s Theodor Herzl (Jew No.1)
      “It is essential that the suffering of Jews become worse. This will assist in realization of our plans. I have an excellent plan. I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews.
      The anti-semites shall be our best friends.” (Theodor Herzl in his diaries)

      1. Solomon Mikhoels, director of the Moscow State Jewish Theater. based on the Yiddish language, and chairman of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, travelled around the world, meeting with Jewish communities to encourage them to support the Soviet Union in its war against Nazi Germany.
        In 1942 he visited US and met with Albert Enstein. They frankly talked about war and about many sides of life in America and Russia, but confidence was broken when Einstein asked how much strong was anti-semitism in Russia. Mikhoels answered that “there is no, and cannot be anti-semitism in Soviet country (created by jews)”. Einstein fell silent, cast down his eyes, as if ashamed for his guest, and after a long pause said:”That cannot be so. Anti-semitism – shadow of the jewish people.”

    1. @ Ed

      I am a peaceable Western academic who has read the Qur’an in a spirit of devotion several times, maybe for as long as 10 years, and it has not poisoned me or turned me into a would-be terrorist. You are welcome to regard me as a brainwashed idiot if you wish. I have no criminal record, however, and am regarded as a happy and well-balanced citizen in the small community where I live.

      There is no mosque here, but on occasional visits into the big city I call in at the local mosque and am always received there with hospitality and kindness.

      I am not even a Muslim but remain firmly rooted in the Christian ethos which is not incompatible with Islam. Both Jesus and Mary are loved and honored in the Qur’an. They are not so honored in the Talmud which has no respect for anyone except Jews.

      1. Beautifully put, Christina! Enough to melt the hardest heart among the Islamophobes who throng this beleaguered website! Bless you all though, the lovers and the haters. Love will win in the end as we pierce through the veil of words! 🙂

      2. @MADAME BUTTERFLY, I second that about CHRISTINA. She is the voice of reason here.

        “Beautifully put, Christina! Enough to melt the hardest heart among the Islamophobes who throng this beleaguered website! Bless you all though, the lovers and the haters. Love will win in the end as we pierce through the veil of words! 🙂”

        I reposted the message above from MADAME BUTTERFLY out fear that I may accidentally deleted from what my old friend SARDONICUS told me earlier.

        @CHRISTINA your comment warmed my heart. You’re very gracious and what you said is on the best testimony I read about Islam and Muslims from a Christian.

        What a confidence that read your comment shortly after reading a survey of Americans attitude toward Muslims. The survey said,Americans who personally know a Muslim are more than twice as likely to have a favorable opinion toward Muslims than those who do not. (A 2019 survey of U.S. faith communities conducted by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding (ISPU))

        I take we Muslims living in the Good Old USA and the rest of the west have an uphill battle and must do their homework in combating Islamophobia. Thanks again!

      3. First off though belatedly, I would like to thank the owners of this website to post my comments. Secondly I would like to apologize for being annoying, patronizing and omniscient.
        Thirdly at Christina, I did not say the Koran was poison. I pointed out that someone who actually said that became a Muslim himself, seemingly going from one extreme to another. And I most definitely did not say you were a brainwashed idiot – by that I mean those who unquestioningly believe what they they hear on TV and in other forms of media. My apologies nevertheless, but I did not mean to offend.
        Fourthly @ Pat, you seem to harbor virulent hatred against Islam. The fact of the matter is Islamophobia is a complete industry. Built by you know who. And that very same group is behind websites such as the religionofpeace.com, jihadwatch,etc. Islamophobia is THEIR industry.
        Given what Muslims have gone through over the last few decades with the stereotypes and stigmas branded onto them in what has proved to be utterly wrong why propagate such hatred?
        The real Muslims by that I mean those who kiss the ground 5 times a day are very unlikely to be rapists, murderers and criminals of other sorts.
        Centrifugal forces of evil always enshroud all realms of power, and in most cases when those in power attempt to work righteously, they are murdered, poisoned or somehow disposed of. Irrespective of whether the ruler is Christian, Muslim or neither. Power corrupts.

      4. Ed –

        You wrote:
        “Fourthly @ Pat, you seem to harbor virulent hatred against Islam.”

        When using “seems” it means you are guessing….
        ….and you guessed wrong, my man!

        Better luck next time. 🙂

  24. We here know that Mahmoud Yousseff as a Palestinian and Muslim is NOT the problem. The primary problem is the JEW and especially the Zionist Bankster Khazarian Mafia Illuminati Globalist Elites. MEY is a tolerant (middle-of-the-road) Muslim, just as most Christians are also (middle-of-the-road) believers. The problem with the bad or extreme Muslims is that they take the Quran and Mohammed’s teachings literally, especially when non-Muslims are the Infidels which must be either converted or killed. In the end it is the Jew that through Satanic Talmudism has taken the art of destruction of everyone else (goyim) but themselves to the highest level. No one else can compete with their level of Evil, since they are of their Father the Devil (Satan) and Satan is the Father of all LIES. This leads most people to say that religion is a bad thing. Yes it is, but that is because Religion is a man-made construct (Mammon, Golden Calf, Vishnu, Buddha, and the like). What the Almighty Architect of the Universe (Yahwah, Allah, Elohim) is all about is FAITH. That is the difference. Religion is man looking up to a god, which allows, other men to control/enslave other men. Faith is a belief in a God that has rules for our guidance and protection. Whether you obey or follow those rules is each person’s individual choice, the FREE WILL. Without FREE WILL, religion is just a Legalistic prison. This is what the Pharisees were all about and Jesus disliked them for that. Ultimately, because of what Jesus did (cruxifixion and rising from the dead), he forgave the Pharisees and the whole world for he died for all of us. If you do NOT accept this, you will be going to Hell. As for the newer commenters like Ingrid and MEY, please stay at this site, for in the end it is beneficial to us all.

    1. @ Stormin’ Norman

      As for the newer commenters like Ingrid and MEY, please stay at this site, for in the end it is beneficial to us all.

      I second that. And Saki must be allowed to make his pro-Muslim views known here also. At the same time, I think this site would be all the poorer if good veteran posters like Pat and Franklin Ryckaert, who are not too keen on Muslims, were driven away by our Muslim brothers.They must not allow themselves to feel intimidated by the hotheaded Muslim brigade.

      There are good Muslims on this site, however, who have never given offense and are always polite and well-informed. I refer to TLOA and SEEB. Long may they continue to post here!

    2. Thank you Stormin’ Norman and Ruth. The feeling is mutual. I too learn a lot from articles and comments posted on this site, even those unfavorable comments. That shows me the strengths and weaknesses and how to respond to stereotypes and unwarranted attacks.

      Sorry for lashing out at Pat during the last few days. That was more than I could take.

      Meanwhile I hold no ill feeling towards Pat or TROJ and not wish to have them banned or their comments deleted. The truth must be said, Darkmoon would be dull and boring without those two bright and veteran commenters.

      1. MEY –

        You wrote:
        “Sorry for lashing out at Pat during the last few days.”

        No harm done! All good here! I quite enjoyed it!! 🙂

      2. Ed said, and I quote, ” The real Muslims by that I mean those who kiss the ground 5 times a day are very unlikely to be rapists, murderers and criminals of other sorts.” Thanks for making my day!

        Wow! That is a music to the ear, poetic, and nothing further from the truth.

  25. I find many muslim lovers very naive talking about this love and peace and all, bla bla bla. As soon as the muslims get the power and the keypositions
    the situation will absolutely change.

    1. Derek –

      I am afraid you are right. History verifies it. The Jew-induced attack on white demographics is the underlying cause of our current suspicions – despite how amiable the initial newcomers might be. I, too, have read the Q’uran, and find much therein agreeable and honorable. However, I, too, have read The Bible, and realize that neither it (nor the Q’uran) is responsible for the activities of its readers. The “bad seeds” were planted by other (((gardeners))). Those who are outspoken and interactive against them are just “weeding” the patch. The lazy cowards are the apologists and the ones hollering “redneck!”.

      1. @ Gilbert Huntly, your writing is spot on! I have to say, you do not beat around the bush, Gilbert

      2. Gil –

        The writers are gone – we have the thugs here today!!

        The women in Iran say – “Once the BLACK CLOTH is removed, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC will be gone!”

        Iranians shout – “We Don’t Want Islamic Republic” “Death to Khamenei” Ahwaz – Iran – Nov 16 -2019

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da1UGqrIx40

        THIS WEEKEND:

        Over 300 protester killed in Iran!!
        Opposition Website Reports 236 Iran Protesters Killed In Tehran Alone!!

        Kalameh.com reported on November 30 that “Reliable sources quoting officials from Behesht Zahra have said that 156 compatriots have been processed by the cemetery and 80 bodies sent to other cities and towns”. The bodies sent elsewhere might be students or people who are not permanent residents of greater Tehran region.

        This means 236 people were killed in Iran’s capital Tehran and its nearby satellite town alone. Kalameh had reported earlier that a total of 366 protesters were killed from November 15 when anti-government demonstrations began after a sudden gasoline price hike. However, if in Tehran the death toll is more than 200, the overall figure for the country can be even higher than 366.
        https://en.radiofarda.com/a/opposition-website-236-iran-protesters-killed-in-tehran-/30300745.html

  26. Pat, that is bizarre! You do not speak for Islam or Muslims to begin with. Stop acting so silly by pretending you’re educationg Americans about something you hate and resent. Having you lecturing Americans about Muslims is like having a KKK spokesman giving a lecture about African American contributions to America. You never cease to amaze me!

    1. MEY –

      I am constantly amazed at your denials of history! 🙂

      In the city of Fez, Morocco, musselmen troops slaughtered so many Christians in such a short period of time, that the blood of the victims ran like rainwater down the street gutters. At one point, a musselman warrior gleefully took off his white turban-type hat, dipped it into the blood flowing down the street, and the placed it back on his head. Many other of their soldiers followed his example, and very soon, most of the white turbans of the soldiers were dripping red.

      This historic tradition is today maintained a kept alive by Freemasonry’s Shriners, as they proudly wear their blood-red Fez hats. This sorry spectacle is simply one more instance of how Freemasonry secretly hates Christians in their invisible, inner circle, even as they hide this fact from the 95% of all visible Masons in the world!!

      Freemasonry, The Shriners and Their Islamic Assyrian Origin

      “The Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, abbreviated A.A.O.N.M.S., commonly known as “the Shriners” is a Islamic organization founded in Mecca, Saudi Arabia in 644 A.D. by the family of Muhammad. It is an organization of Freemasonry. Freemasonry originates from ancient Assyria. Members of the Shriners are called “Mohammedans”. A “Shrine” is a tomb of a Muslim that is worshipped by other Muslims. Perhaps because he was a martyr for the Islamic cause. The Alawi sect of Bashar Assad does not believe in mosques. Therefore they lift up the shrines as being the most holy buildings of Islam. A Shriner is therefore a person who honors the holy buildings of Assad’s Alawi sect of Islam. The organization is best-known for the Shriners Hospitals for Children they administer & the red fezzes that members wear. There are at least 350,000 members from 191 Islamic temples (charters) in the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Republic of Panama & Europe. To join the Shiners or any other organization of Freemasonry, you must swear alliance to Allah (the Islamic moon god) & you must do so on the Koran which says that Christians & Jews must be killed. The Shiners symbols on their cars/trucks include the Islamic sword in the shape of a crescent moon with a star which are very clearly Islamic symbols. Another symbol on their vehicles is the “Eastern Star” which is the symbol of the satanic goat god called by different names such as “Pan, Yah, Baphomet, Allah, Mendez”. You can very clearly see that it’s the same symbol of a 2 horned star worn by admitted satanists.”
      http://part2.isawthelightministries.com/shriners.html

      1. Pat, your remind of the rightwing Syndicated columnist Ann Coulter. You harbor such rabid hatred toward Muslims. One has to wonder why? You must have been dumped or rejected by an Arab or a Muslim in your past, or your parents are closely related. At least that is one popular explanation of why Osama Bin Laden hates America; it was an American woman whom he met once in Lebanon that rejected his advances.

        Secondly, you sound more and more annoying and boring like a broken record. You dwell on what happened 100s of years to Christians in Morocco, but then you ignore the millions of Muslims in 7 Muslims countries who were slaughtered during the last 18 yrs or turned into refugees and whose countries where turned to stone ages by the US and NATO.

        Did I or anyone else here blame Christianity or Christians for those war crimes? Off course not.

        Finally, you keep questioning and casting doubt about my loyalty and patriotism and smear my name. Why?

        The only difference between you and I, you inherited you citizenship, where as I earned it.

      2. MEY –

        You wrote:
        “Finally, you keep questioning and casting doubt about my loyalty and patriotism and smear my name. Why?”

        I have not done what you claim here. I have stated facts. I know you are loyal to islam. I have never smeared your name.

        You have recently called me a snake, liar, dumbass and an idiot and other cute words in a failed attempt to discredit ME… and I just smiled!! BUT… you are so thin-skinned, you wanted me BANNED – silenced – my comments disallowed!!

        YOU protest too much! 🙂

      3. Freemasonry IS judaism for the Goyim. But of course you know that. I am not sure others know.
        We don’t need jews and muslims in America.

    2. MEY –

      I educate Americans AND OTHERS about jews and TRAITOROUS musselmen…. with historical and contemporary FACTS from US treaties and COURT testimonies! 🙂

      Have some here from two weeks ago:

      ***US Rep Omar is an islamist foreign agent & traitor who should be arrested & jailed!!

      Ilhan Omar Accused of Being a Paid Agent of Qatar and Accessing Sensitive Info for Iran – In Court Testimony!!

      Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) has been accused of being a paid agent of the government of Qatar and using her position in Congress to access sensitive information for the benefit of Iran, according to testimony in a civil suit in Florida.
      thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/ilhan-omar-accused-of-being-a-paid-agent-of-qatar-and-accessing-sensitive-info-for-iran-court-testimony/

      <<<>>>

      US Rep Ilhan Omar accused of being a foreign agent

      Omar used her position in House of Representatives to access sensitive information which she relayed to Qatar, and then through them… to Iran!!

      Al Arabiya English’s Abdulla Almanai reports that U.S. Congresswoman Ilhan Omar was recruited by a foreign government, passed sensitive information that was relayed to Iran, and received funding by a foreign government, quoting a sworn deposition by a Canadian businessman in a Florida court.
      http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/272249

      <<<<>>>>

      Democratic Congresswoman Omar is said to have passed information to Qatar, which was subsequently handed along to Iran.

      The claims came during testimony by Kuwati-born Canadian businessman Alan Bender, who was giving evidence in the trial of Sheikh Khalid bin Hamad al-Thani. The Qatari emir’s brother stands accused of ordering his American bodyguard to murder two people, and of holding an American citizen hostage. His deposition, obtained by Al Arabiya English, was authenticated by the attorney for the plaintiffs, according to the publication.

      Speaking from Toronto by video link, Bender told the Florida District Court that he met with Qatar’s Secretary to the Emir for Security Affairs Mohammad bin Ahmed bin Abdullah al-Masnad and two other senior Qatari officials.

      According to his sworn deposition, the three officials told him: “If it wasn’t for our cash, Ilhan Omar would be just another black Somali refugee in America collecting welfare and serving tables on weekends.”
      https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/Ilhan-Omar-working-for-Qatar-Florida-court-hears-609003

      <<<>>>

      AN ILHAN OMAR UPDATE – POSTED ON NOVEMBER 17, 2019 BY SCOTT JOHNSON

      The Daily Mail has recently published two stories —  These stories directly demonstrate a few of the lies that Omar is living and indirectly illustrate the protective cover provided by the Star Tribune.

      The Daily Mail is doing the work that the Star Tribune refuses to do, as I am here on Power Line.
      My thing is the incredible frauds in which Omar is enmeshed.

      I mean to keep at it until she removes herself from high political office. She is not the most important political figure in our firmament, but she lives and works in my back yard and I have developed knowledgeable sources as well as an appreciative readership in Minneapolis’s Somali community. Attention is warranted.

      The Daily Mail’s coverage of Omar has had an impact in the Somali community. They are embarrassed by her. They do not appreciate the humiliation of her most recent ex-husband husband (Ahmed Hirsi, universally known by the nickname Southside), a widely respected player. They have come to see that she is quite the phony. They have come to see her as unrepresentative of the community. (I can’t say the same about the millennial snowflakes and other DFL activists in the district.)

      In the past two weeks I have met with three new Somali sources. They have confirmed everything we have previously reported here about Omar’s back pages. I have in addition continued to meet with my original Somali sources. Their reliability has been proved many times over. Taken together, they have made the following points:
      • There is widespread fear of Omar in the community. They do not feel free to speak out publicly. They require assurance that I will keep their identity in confidence.
      • At a meeting with two of my three new sources last week, we spotted Hirsi through a window. “There is Southside,” said one of them, and told me to “close your notebook” (she actually closed it for me).
      • They all know that Ahmed Nur Said Elmi is Omar’s brother. They didn’t all know that Omar purported to marry him in 2009 until we began covering the issue in 2016.
      • Omar made a separate side deal with Hirsi to continue his public silence. She has agreed to pay him $250,000 over time. None of this is reflected in the October 31 divorce decree itself.

      I would add only this note based on my own experience. This story is out there for the asking. Any serious reporter who spent time in Minneapolis would find it. The New York Times, the New Yorker, the Daily Beast, the Star Tribune and all the rest — they don’t want it. They want to leave it right where it is.
      https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/11/an-ilhan-omar-update.php

  27. STORM NORMAN
    “Ultimately, because of what Jesus did (cruxifixion and rising from the dead), he forgave the Pharisees and the whole world for he died for all of us. If you do NOT accept this, you will be going to Hell. As for the newer commenters like Ingrid and MEY, please stay at this site, for in the end it is beneficial to us all.”
    You were doing pretty good with your whole comment, right on, right up to the point where you wandered off into the weeds with this dogma-speak…
    PAT
    the eastern shriner/mason connection is why they call New Orleans the Crescent City…
    the police there also wear the masonic code on their hatbands – the offset vertical squares, which means – ‘the end justifies the means’, and that the police are servants of freemasonry first and foremost……
    so – does the ‘calif’ in california refer to ‘caliphate’?

  28. One way or the other, ISISrael is meddling in the UK’s election process. Corbyn anti Semitic? Why? Because he opposes how isrHell is treating Palestinians? Or because this shit-disturbing rabbi says so? I am Palestinian and proud of it and I most certainly oppose what the shit hole in the Middle East is doing. So…am I an anti Semite too? The Lame $tream Media needs to stop bending backward and think before giving “carte blanche” to such nonsensical hatred and printing it.

    1. Mahmoud –

      The animosity is ancient, and, I’d say it must have started with the Church’s mercenaries, the Knights Templar, when Palestine was plundered and Saladin came to its rescue. It has not ever ceased, since. I know this is a Catholic-leaning website (ALL we Protestants were once Catholic, too!), but the Catholic Church’s desire to subjugate the whole of the known world is to blame for all the angst. The Knights Templar became as avaricious due to their Papal license, and, essentially, tried to outdo the Church. When Saladin pushed them out (of The Holy Land), they ‘stablished themselves even more forcefully among us, leading to Martin Luther’s Reformation. Well, the upshot was that we found no “angels” there, either – but the world goes on. The more it changes, the more it stays the same.

      1. Gil –

        If it weren’t for the ‘CRUSADES’ you and I would be speaking & writing in Arabic. 🙂

        In the 8th century – Outnumbered by perhaps as much as 2 to 1 on a battlefield between the cities of Tours and Poitier, Charles routs the Moorish forces, stopping the Muslim advance into Europe cold. It becomes known as the Battle of Tours (or Poitier), and many historians consider it one of the great turning points in world history. By their lights, Charles is a man who saved Western Civilization, a hero who well deserves the moniker the battle earned him: Martellus.

        We thus now know him as Charles Martel, which translates into Charles the Hammer.

        The Gathering Threat in the East
        While the Hammer saved Gaul, the Muslims would not stop hammering Christendom — and it would be the better part of four centuries before Europe would again hammer back. This brings us to the late 11th century and perhaps the best-known events of medieval history: the Crusades.

        <<>>

        As the Roman Empire declined, Spain was taken over by the Visigoths – originally from Eastern Europe – who ruled from the sixth to the eighth centuries.  But in the year 711, Roderick, the Visigoth king of southern Spain, was defeated by advancing armies of Moors, from North Africa. The Moors had recently converted to a new religion, called Islam, and established Islamic caliphates through most of Spain. Consequently Islamic Moorish culture blossomed through a large part of the Spanish peninsula for almost the next 800 years!

        During these centuries Christians from the north slowly pushed back the Moors in a long historic process known as the “Reconquest”.

        It was not until 1492 that the Moors were finally driven out of Granada, their last Spanish bastion.
        https://about-spain.net/tourism/moorish-spain.htm

      2. Pat –

        What you say is true. However, the Palstinians weren’t necessarily THOSE Muslims, and were likely unaware of that circumstance. I believe Palestine, itself, has been an innocent among the battlefields. The Jews are now taking advantage of those unfortunate people, and their only safety is identifying with the vast Islamist world population (which isn’t very safe, either). They must be OUR enemies, too, because of Jew meddling with the United States. (More fodder for the argument to beware foreign entanglements.)
        Granted, the Barbary pirates may have been some of “those” Muslims, but those activities were more commercial than religious. In fact, it was the first time the U.S. Marines were sent (by President Jefferson) to protect U.S. interests abroad. Nothing has changed.

      3. Also, Jeffeson did say: “We’re going to have trouble out of those people, someday.”
        🤔

  29. Sorry, if you atheists do not like my preaching. Too bad, so sad! In terms of our Faiths, Christians are waiting for Jesus’ 2nd coming: Muslims, Jews and eastern religions are waiting for Mahdi, Meshiach and Vishnu -istic character. These Mahdi, Meshiach and Vishnu-like deities are all the Antichrist. The JEWS wait for their ruler of the Jew World Order who is Satan (aka Antichrist). Christians know that before Jesus returns again, the One World Ruler of a One World Religious and Economic (cashless digital cryptocurrency, Bitcoinesque) system is Satan /Antichrist. Once Jews have realized their folly (error), then Jesus will only save some of the Jews, the ones descended from Jews in Jesus time, not those phony crypto-jews from Khazaria (East European Caucasoids).

    Now as for the famous 4 representatives, aka the squad, there is something not right about them. You should all have noticed that these 4 Senators have gotten more media coverage than warranted, regardless of their religion, race, ethnicity or background. No rookie senators in history have received so much coverage. Their whole purpose seems to be a psy-op. Thus Trump can say anything he wants about them. False Flag operations are psy-ops as well. These are things like the the Parkland shooting, Sandy Hook, or the Orlando shooting.

    Lastly, our enemy here on earth is Satan / the Devil. The ultimate representative of Satan is the JEW, in all their forms and disguises. so forget about the differences between us and concentrate on our common enemy, the JEW (ZioBankster Talmudic Satanist Illuminati). Truth is the greatest weapon against them and that is why they want to shut down the truth with LIES and propaganda.

    1. SN –
      You wrote:
      “You should all have noticed that these 4 Senators have gotten more media coverage than warranted, regardless of their religion, race, ethnicity or background. No rookie senators in history have received so much coverage.”

      None of them are “Senators”…. which makes your point even more astonishing! They are lowly representatives. 🙂

      The Squad is a group of four congresswomen elected in the 2018 United States House of Representatives elections, made up of :
      Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York,
      Ilhan Omar of Minnesota,
      Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts
      and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan.

      All are women of color under 50 and have been placed by news outlets such as Reuters and Politico on the left wing of the Democratic Party.

      The group has been said to represent the demographic diversity of a younger political generation and the advocacy of progressive policies such as the “Green New Deal” which have sometimes clashed with their party’s leadership.

      The ‘loony-tunes’ – Ocasio-Cortez coined the “Squad” name in an ‘Instagram’ post just one week after their Election Day in 2018.

      1. I stand corrected concerning them being Congresswomen, but the rest of the argument stands. Thanks!

  30. After the exchanges between Mahmoud and Pat, I must say it left me bewildered and heartbroken – that we can’t seem to conduct ourselves in a dignified manner.

    Mahmoud is a fellow brethren in faith and I expect is a decent man, and Pat is my intellectual friend. Obviously, I’ve never met him face to face but I’ve met his mind and I admire his intellect; I admire his courage to keep speaking and presenting his evidences; I admire his ability to deeply reflect; to the point where others have accused him of throwing White countries under the bus.

    There is no one on this site that I am more in line with when it comes to general political matters, and I am happy to stand next to him on that front. We differ on religious matters, but I have zero animosity in my heart, I have affection for him.
    ……….

    A response to Norman’s Qur’anic Aya:
    Qur’an 65:4 (Yusuf Ali)– Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.

    Qur’an 65:4 (Arberry)– As for your women who have despaired of further menstruating, if you are in doubt, their period shall be three months; and those who have not menstruated as yet. And those who are with child, their term is when they bring forth their burden. Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness.

    He then concludes:
    Hence, the Qur’an says that there is no waiting period if a man hasn’t had sex with his bride, and the Qur’an prescribes a waiting period for men who want to divorce their prepubescent child-brides.
    ………………………

    This is a very important verse, especially in the Shari’a (Sacred Law) and much have been written about it from the earliest jurists, since it deals with very important critical issues. This verse aims to protect the natural rights of the child: it’s lineage, it’s inheritance rights and maintenance rights among others.

    A vast list of different translations of the verse was provided, but for the sake of brevity it really boils down to these two. Yusuf Ali translates it as “those who have no courses” and Arberry translates it as “and those who have not menstruated yet”.

    Even if we take Arberry’s, the question begs, who are they addressing: Nisaa (women) not ‘prepubescent children’.

    To simply assume that if someone has not menstruated means they are not a woman is incorrect. There is a condition called ‘secondary amenorrhea’: women who have reached 16 and have not menstruated, and this can go on for some time; age 16 is only the set-point where they label the condition.

    The word Nisaa by definition is women and a woman is not just a female or girl, she is an adult female. The word for female is Unthaa and words relating to girl(s) are: Fataah; Atfaloo; tiflin; or even Sabiyyah. The word Nisaa occurs 56 times in the Qur’an and over and over again you will see it means women not girls. Anyone can check for himself with an Arabic dictionary.

    Additionally, from the context of the verse it makes no sense to be a prepubescent child, since it is about protecting the rights of the unborn.

    Further, it is not uncommon that some women will miss cycles even for 6 months; many athletes experience this, women under stress also.
    Keep in mind the Sharia forbids divorce when women are menstruating since it is viewed as a time of hurt and one should have gentleness and leave that decision for later.

    Of the requirements for marriage from the Sunni Schools you will see from Maalik and Abu Hanifa (men who met a few of the companions of the Prophet) that among the prerequisites of marriage is, the individuals must be ‘bulugh’ and it is the same in the Shaafi’ School and the Ja’afari (the great great-grandson of the Prophet) School; i.e. the parties must reach adulthood, be sane and consent, especially the woman. These are the people of Law from the earliest times for the majority of the Prophet’s nation.

    Notes:
    As of November 2019, 38 states have set an absolute minimum marriage age by statute, which vary between 14 and 17. In the remaining states, minors can marry with parental consent, and legal exceptions may exist which allow underage marriage, mostly requiring both parental and judicial authorization, which is often allowed only in cases of pregnancy.

    16 states do not have a legal minimum marriage age when judicial exceptions are taken into account.

    Although in these states there is no set minimum age by statute, the traditional common law minimum age is 14 for boys and 12 for girls – ages which have been confirmed by case law in some states.

    In 18 states, children under 16 can marry. Over the past 15 years, more than 200,000 minors married in US, and in Tennessee girls as young as 10 were married in 2001, before the state set a minimum age of 17 in 2018.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States
    ……

    Let’s look at another related matter relating to women’s rights:
    The English common law concept of coverture, the legal subordination of a married woman to her husband, prevailed in the United States until the middle of the 19th century, when the economic realities of life in the New World demanded greater flexibility for women. Because men sometimes could be away from home for months or years at a time, a married woman’s ability to maintain a household pivoted upon her freedom to execute contracts.

    Furthermore, real estate played a somewhat different role in the United States than it did in England, being an important and relatively more abundant trade commodity in the former. Beginning in 1839 in Mississippi, states began to enact legislation overriding the disabilities associated with coverture.

    They established the rights of women to enjoy the profits of their labour, to control real and personal property, to be parties to lawsuits and contracts, and to execute wills on their own behalf. Most property rights for women emerged in piecemeal fashion over the course of decades, and, because judges frequently interpreted the statutes narrowly, women often had to agitate repeatedly for more expansive and detailed legislation.
    https://www.britannica.com/event/Married-Womens-Property-Acts-United-States-1839
    …………

    Islam secured the right of the woman to vote (they gave allegiance); to own property, absolutely separate from the husband; they have to consent in marriage; inheritance rights, it even insisted to have their own name and not their husbands.
    In fact, many modern feminists look at Rabia Adawiyya as a model in many ways.

    The path to truth begins with sincerity and absolute purity of intention.

    All the best to everyone.

    1. SEEB –

      You and I agree on much…. and agree to disagree in a few areas, which is the way rational folks should behave.

      Thanks for the support in the areas of our agreements. Using your very accomplished verbal skills, you have helped me quite often over the course of our friendly replies.

  31. I have sympathy for the palestinians. But let them resort to their fellow muslim brothers like Turkey and other muslim states for help. At the end we are no muslims. The problem especially for the palestinians is that all these muslim states are ruled by crypto jews pretending to be muslims as in the west where crypto’s call themselves ‘ christian’, ‘ catholic’, ‘ protestant’ etc. I am talking about the ‘ elite/management’ of all these cults. The common people don’t know and must not know.

  32. DERK
    That’s Right…
    The Catholic church is a jewish conspiracy and it could hardly be more obvious…
    The Reformation was also a jewish conspiracy..
    There are also jewish christian offshoots, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses…
    The Saudi Arabia is the Krypto Kingdom…
    The PLO under Arafat was highly suspect as Masonic…
    Masonry is Jewish..
    So is Communism…
    And, just because a person’s mental life is not totally caught up in one form of religious dogma or another form of religious dogma- it doesn’t mean he’s an atheist…

    1. @ Barkingdeer

      The Catholic church is a jewish conspiracy and it could hardly be more obvious…

      Well, I happen to be a former Catholic nun, though I don’t subscribe to all its dogmas and never did. But I still go to church and receive Holy Communion. The same applies to Lasha Darkmoon who was brought up in the Catholic Church. Like me, Lasha doesn’t agree with Vatican II. Nor does she believe in many other Catholic dogmas, including Papal Infallibility, the existence of Hell as a place of everlasting torment, and damnation for all who commit suicide. Like me, Lasha is all for euthanasia, which happens to be against the teachings of the Catholic Church.

      You must understand that not all Catholics are brainless little zombies, as you imagine, signing on the dotted line and parroting every dogma of the Catholic Church. Few Catholics I have met believe LITERALLY that Christ walked on water and turned water into wine; they see such miracles as allegories, just as they see the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as an allegory and not as an actual historical event.

      All Catholics are not the brainwashed fools you appear to think we are. Your blanket condemnation of the Catholic Church is therefore not welcome on this website, given that this is a pro-Christian website that is sympathetic to Catholicism.If you regard me and Lasha Darkmoon as deluded souls who are just sitting here, waiting for you to spit in our faces so that you can enjoy the masturbatory pleasure of insulting us in the name of “free speech”, please continue. We will not ban you unless you force us to do so, by showing that you are are totally lacking in tact and discretion. I am amazed, dear Barkingdeer, at your inability to see yourself as Lasha and I see you: as a highly intelligent man with a blind spot and extremely bad manners.

      By the way, are there not many other websites where your anti-Christian and anti-Catholic comments would be more than welcome? For example, a good Jewish site would welcome your diatribes against Christianity. So why not go and post your anti-Christian and anti-religious comments on a site where such anti-Christian hate speech would make you a popular and well-respected poster?

      Come, dear Barkingdeer, here is my face. The sad face of a Christian and a Catholic who has harmed no one. Spit in it again if it gives you pleasure.

      1. @ ADMIN (Sister Monica)

        Come, dear Barkingdeer, here is my face. The sad face of a Christian and a Catholic who has harmed no one. Spit in it again if it gives you pleasure.

        Kudos to this remarkable website! This is the ONLY website I know that allows free speech for a wide range of contradictory views, including constant attacks on the cherished religious views held by those who run the website. No other website I know would allow its fundamental values, its core religious values, to be attacked without cessation by a bunch of rabid philistines.

      2. @ Sister Monica

        “I am amazed, dear Barkingdeer, at your inability to see yourself as Lasha and I see you: as a highly intelligent man with a blind spot and extremely bad manners.”

        I agree with everything in this statement except your description of Barkingdeer as “a highly intelligent man”. He can’t be that intelligent if he doesn’t know he is walking on eggshells and just goes ahead and tramples the eggshells to pieces. Clever people know when to speak out and when to be tactfully silent. They know about discretion and how to exercise restraint over their tongues. Barkingdeer lacks this ability: the ability to zip his lips when needed.

        Barkingdeer has lost my respect. His longwinded rants no longer amuse. This is because he genuinely thinks he has a right to insult religious people, including the administrators of this website. How can one respect such an ill-mannered boor?

      3. Sister Monica!

        So you and some other Catholics believe Christ DIDN’T walk on water???! How unfaithful! I am surprised at you. Even myself, a lowly WASP, believes that Christ DID and COULD walk on water if He wanted. (That is only logical if He was “God in the flesh”…)
        Furthermore, if a person has ever been “in a state of Grace”, he/she would fully comprehend the possibility. 🙂

      4. @ Gilbert Huntly

        Well, we are not against you if you believe it literally. We are not attacking you if you choose to believe Christ can walk on water. His ethereal (or spiritual) body certainly can walk on water. And if apparitions (ghosts) exist and if levitation is possible, defying the laws of gravity, there is no need to doubt the appearance of a mirage-like figure seen to be walking on water.

        PAINTING: CHRIST WALKING ON WATER.
        https://d26iejr7yj7kfh.cloudfront.net/product-images/000/727/403/detail/Walking-on-Water.jpg?1536783519

        Padre Pio, the 20th-century Catholic saint who developed the stigmata on his hands and had to wear gloves all the time to hide his bleeding palms, was also credited with bilocation, i.e. being seen in two different places at the same time. How could this be possible? Another Catholic lie, our scoffing skeptics allege. But one of the Padre’s bodies may have been his actual physical body and the second body a projected non-physical simulacrum.

        If you wish to believe, in addition, that the story of Adam and Eve and the Serpent is literally true, good luck to you! I am the last person to castigate you! 🙂 There are millions of other creationists who believe that our “First Parents” existed exactly as Genesis portrays them. But surely you will not begrudge me the option of preferring to regard the story as one of the most brilliant allegories ever invented?

        Yes, I know your comment is meant to be tongue-in-cheek. Feel free to have a little joke at my expense. I appreciate your down-to-earth common sense.

      5. If you are a real catholic like ‘ many’ profess to be on this site. Then the conclusion is that the pope is infallible.If you are ‘ catholic’ you must adhere to all dogmas and teachings of the ‘ catholic church’. You can’t just shop around and choose only what suits you. The ‘ catholic church’ is just a feel good placebo for many Goyim but you can wait a long time before the goods will be delivered if they will be delivered, quod non. It’s just a nice invention of the jews this church to brainwash the Goyim. The jews could have made us all jews brainwashing us but that would mean that they wouldn’t be any more special, chosen anymore. The church is a second category for the Goyim invented and ruled by jews!!!
        We don’t need jewish stuff.

      6. Gil –

        Ya gotta know…. everyone was a ‘flat-earther’ back in them days!!!
        No one was literate…. since there was nuthin’ ta read!! They just passed along made up rumors on the front porch or at the feed store.
        They didn’t even have any SHINOLA to not know ‘stuff’ from!! 🙂

  33. The Catholic inquisitors roasted many a human being for such “heresy”. If Christ couldn’t “walk on water”, it stands to reason He couldn’t “rise from the dead”, either. That kind of belief would invalidate the whole religion, and is a threat to The Church. (Inquisitors are stacking their kindling, even now!) 😡

  34. Sister Monica – 🌞

    I understand you (I think…), and don’t really condemn your belief, but I DID find it surprising a devout Catholic would admit such. 🤔 As for myself, I truly do not doubt His ability to do anything He wants, especially considering His position to Jehova God. However, I address my own prayers to The Father, just to cover all doubts, and I believe there IS a difference. (To Whom does Jesus address His prayers?? To The Father!)
    According to The Apostle John, “God” is “The Word”. (“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God.”)
    Especially impactful upon me is the 91st Psalm. We thereby fear nothing, for He is with us – if we BELIEVE… 🙂🙂🙂. (btw, I am NOT a “creationist”, but believe the allegory has been over-simplified.)

    1. @ Gilbert Huntly:

      I finally understand you and now know why I like your commentary, both the good and the bad. Ultimately, for Catholics and Christians, though I am a former Catholic/Anglican, now a non-denominational Christian, Jesus was a God-man, both God and man, and therefore could do anything he wanted to but lived his life as a perfect man (sinless), and thus could walk on water physically. None of this spiritual walk on water bollocks. I gave up Catholicism because of all the Papal hypocrisy (especially false prophet Pope Francis), Left Anglicanism because of all the female priest, LGBTQ BS. Now I attend a church that follows the Bible (front to back) and is Christ-centered, though its music is too modern (soft rockfish) for me. Old-fashioned hymns are prima. Thanks y’all. Danke!

  35. SISTER
    I do appreciate your tone…
    MB i don’t pay much attention to anymore… I don’t even read her hate…
    I must say however, Cafeteria Catholics are not Catholics Dear Sister…
    Don’t you know it?
    You can’t pick and choose which tenets you care to ascribe to…
    If you don’t believe in hell, for example, you’re not Catholics… No more than i am…
    You’re some kind of lapsie, which is fine with me, and it won’t really matter to the guy passing the basket either..
    “Come, dear Barkingdeer, here is my face. The sad face of a Christian and a Catholic”
    Really?
    Someone expresses doubt in your religious beliefs and you consider it a personal insult?
    I would have to ask – who on Earth taught you to think like that?
    Because that’s exactly how the jews think… A Weatherman once told me – religion is one of the tools the owners use to keep the people separated…
    Look, there is no more proof that any of your religious fairy tales are true than there is that the germans killed 6,000,000 jews in ww2…
    I couldn’t help but notice, none of you have any problem bashing the hell out of the jews’ for their holocaustianity dogma… And don’t we scoff at the PC college kids now with their silly putty safety zones?
    They don’t know the truth of any of that any more than you do of the resurrection, they’re just brainwash victims from infancy, the same as you…
    It’s all rumors my friends, one religious belief is just as iffy as anther…
    Yet we all understand the faith factor, isn’t it just a question of putting your faith in the right place?
    So on the other hand – children enter this world pure and innocent, straight from God to Us OK, and I think that rather than subject them to all this religious corruption, it’s time we tried letting them develop without it… Maybe we should listen to them, instead of telling them God had his Son tortured to death to make everything ok, because people are bad…
    I don’t see a whole lot of difference between people who cross dress their kids, dose them with chemicals to interfere with their normal sexual development, and even perform sex change operations on them, and those who hang bloody crucifixes on the wall in their bedrooms…
    And as far as walking on water goes, healing the sick, raising the dead, tuning water into wine – I think miracles like that are possible for any human being, mind over matter, MOOPY Photons, if he’s fully tuned, which most of us never will be…
    And I think the big wheels in the Vatican know it, but would rather have it stay that way…
    Those are some of the secrets the masons keep… Just guessing…
    I don’t mean any offense, and I think you know that…
    But this is no place for snowflakes… Surely not with the way we bash…
    If it is, I’m gone…

    1. Barkingdeer,

      I appreciate your comments, but I have no time to argue the toss with you. Just concentrate on posting your comments and make sure:

      (1) that you do NOT attack the Catholic faith or Christianity on this site any more, because to do so is to chase our Christian posters away, leaving only the ranting skeptics behind;

      (2) that you do NOT lecture the moderators any more on how the moderators should do their job. We know what we are doing, and we do not need to take instructions from you.

      If you fail to take the above advice, you will be put on permanent monitoring. If you continue to give offense, you will be banned.
      The choice is yours. Your next comment will be monitored and will be deleted if it is not strictly ON-TOPIC.

      If you wish to leave this site, feel free to do so; we are detaining you! 🙂

      Best wishes,

      Sister Monica

      1. Good! That gets rid of this scum! I can’t see the snowflake Barkingdeer having either the intelligence or the manliness to put up with any criticism whatever. Nor does the moron know the difference between an on-topic comment and an off-topic one! Most of his comments are off-topic anti-religious rants. An old codger with a big chip on his shoulder. He’s never recovered ever since he was booted out of his Catholic school for tryng to boss his teachers around — the obnoxious little snotnose!

        Bye-bye, Barkingdeer! It was nice knowing you! (Not). 🙂

      2. I don’t think we’ll be hearing from Barkingdeer again. He just doesn’t have the intellectual stamina to stand the heat in the kitchen. A snowflake if ever there was one. I feel sorry for losers like this.

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