Trump accused of fuelling hate after deadly shootings

Twenty-one killed in El Paso and nine killed in Dayton, Ohio
US reels from killings as Trump faces criticism over immigration
Sam Levin in El Paso and Oliver Laughland and Joanna Walters in New York
August 5, 2019

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The United States reels as two mass shootings in 13 hours. A shattering weekend that left at least 30 people dead and injured dozens put Donald Trump at the center of a storm of outrage over racism and the failure on gun control in America.

Even as the president said “hate has no place in our country” and blamed the shootings on mental illness, investigators in El Paso confirmed that a massacre at a Walmart superstore on Saturday that left at least 21 people dead in the Texas border city had been preceded by the suspected gunman publishing an anti-immigration screed via the darker recesses of the internet.

And in a mass shooting in the early hours of Sunday, just 13 hours later, a gunman in Dayton, Ohio, was wearing body armor and carrying 100-bullet magazines to arm his high-powered rifle, with law enforcement authorities warning he could have killed many dozens of people if he had not been shot by police within 30 seconds of opening fire.

The shootings were carried out just a week after a 19-year-old, also armed with a high-caliber rifle, opened fire at a popular annual food festival in Gilroy, northern California, killing three and wounding others.

Led by those running for president, senior Democrats, including the local former congressman of El Paso, Beto O’Rourke, condemned the president as a nakedly white nationalist and racist leader. They pointed at Trump’s escalating attacks on migrants at the border and on members of Congress of color, including inflammatory comments and posturing that sparked a crowd at a rally last month to chant “send her back” about the Muslim congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

Tragedy in El Paso

The suspect in the El Paso shooting on Saturday was from the town of Allen, on the outskirts of Dallas, 650 miles from the border city in the far south-west corner of the state. He was arrested and is being held in custody after rampaging into an El Paso Walmart, opening fire and killing 21.

Local prosecutors charged a 21-year-old white man, Patrick Crusius, with murder. They said they would pursue the death penalty. Federal authorities are investigating it as a hate crime.

Police in El Paso were examining a hate-riddled message on the website 8chan, posted about 20 minutes before Saturday’s attack, in which the author expressed sympathy for a white nationalist massacre at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, a few months ago, and which stated: “This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas.”

A 21-year-old, Daisy Fuentes, told the Guardian that her grandparents went to the Walmart to shop for curtains, and that both of them were shot during the massacre.

Her 66-year-old grandmother, Nicolasa Velasquez, called the family right after.

“We were scared. We were crying. We didn’t know what to do,” said Fuentes. “My mom was trying to tell her to stay calm and breathe. My grandma was saying it hurt, and told my mom to call the ambulance, because they weren’t coming fast enough.”

The Republican mayor of El Paso, Dee Margo, said on Sunday that the city’s binational culture – as a majority Latinx city with a sister city directly across the border in Mexico – was what made it a “special, special place” and called the gunman “deranged” for not knowing that “this is what makes our country great”.

Mourning in Ohio

The gunman in Dayton opened fire in the city’s downtown area at about 1am on Sunday, killing nine people. He was armed with a high-powered rifle and a 100-round magazine before police shot him dead within 30 seconds of his beginning a rampage.

Police named the Dayton shooter as 24-year-old Connor Betts. Betts’s 22-year-old sister Megan was among the victims. The incident was still in the early stages of investigation and it was too early to assign a motive, the Dayton police chief, Richard Biehl, said on Sunday. But Biehl said the shooting did not appear linked to a “bias motive”.

Early reports suggest there may have been red flags in the gunman’s history. High school classmates, speaking to the Associated Press, said that Betts had been suspended from school for creating a list of people he wanted to harm.

By Sunday evening, the popular entertainment district where the attack occurred had been cleared of crime-scene tape and opened to a somber crowd for a vigil. Hundreds of people gathered, some leaving bouquets in front of the bars or tucking flowers into bullet holes. More holes were visible in the window at Ned Peppers bar, where police killed the shooter just outside the doorstep to save those inside.

At the event, a speech by Ohio’s Republican governor was interrupted with shouts of “make a change”. As the governor, Mike DeWine, told the crowd that the families’ pain could not be erased, many started chanting: “Do something!”

Trump faces criticism

Donald Trump faced criticism on Saturday for hardly mentioning the Texas shooting, having sent just a few short tweets and issuing a presidential proclamation to lower flags to half mast.

As the US president travelled back to the White House from his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey, on Sunday, Trump said: “I want to extend our condolences from El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio. They’re incredible people, they’ve been through a lot.”

Trump made no reference to the nature of the alleged hate crime in El Paso and did not speak about gun control, but added: “Hate has no place in our country. We’re going to take care of it.”

The president also suggested both shootings should be viewed in the context of mental health. “This is also a mental illness problem, if you look at both these cases … both these people are very ill,” Trump said, adding he would address the public again on Monday morning.

Local authorities in both El Paso and Dayton have made no definitive statements about the mental health of either suspect.

His daughter and adviser, Ivanka Trump, had earlier tweeted: “White supremacy, like all other forms of terrorism, is an evil that must be destroyed.”

But leading Democrats were incandescent.

Beto O’Rourke said: “We have to acknowledge the hatred, the open racism that we’re seeing.” He told CNN: “There is an environment of it in the United States.” He also decried the wide availability of high-powered firearms.

Meanwhile, the US senator from New Jersey and rival Democratic 2020 presidential candidate, Cory Booker, told the news channel: “He [Trump] is responsible for what is going on and is doing nothing to stop the carnage and chaos.” Booker added: “This is a moral moment and he is failing this nation.”

The presidential candidate Senator Amy Klobuchar, of Minnesota, said: “Mental illness rates [in the US] are similar to other countries across the world but we have these shootings in extraordinary numbers, and that’s because of the weapons [available].”

The conservative New York Post called for a ban on assault weapons.

Last month the FBI director, Christopher Wray, told Congress that the majority of domestic terror related arrests since last October had been linked to white supremacist violence. While the Southern Poverty Law Center, a not-for-profit group tracking hate in America, reported a surge in white nationalist groups last year.

By Sunday, the shooting in Ohio marked the 31st deadly mass shooting in America this year, defined as those where at least three people are killed by gun violence in a single episode.


DISCLAIMER. The views and opinions expressed in this article are solely those of the Guardian newspaper, a left-wing British publication under Zionist control that shares the multicultural views of the Democratic party in America.  These views expressing hatred for White Nationalists (as “White supremacists”), and calling for stricter gun control, do not in any way reflect the views of anyone associated with this website.

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75 thoughts to “Trump accused of fuelling hate after deadly shootings”

  1. I am a white Anglo. I am, also, a nationalist. Trump and his shiksa daughter have declared war on me. NONE of these traitors will get my vote, again. This “war” will only escalate. The commies promised they’d “conquer from within”, and it seems they’re getting pretty open about it!

    1. do the Palestinians have “civil rights”…?

      is there “Affirmative Action” in Jerusalem for the children of Gaza so that
      you know…everyone has an equal shot at a good life…?

      how is it that the synagogue of Satan psychopaths manufacture all this
      “JEW POO” political theatre with patsies and mind controlled robots
      using the boogie man…WHITE SUPREMACISTS/RACISTS.

      and nary a word about the 400 million mass murdered for filthy lucre
      in the last 100 years…


      Are the Synagogue Of Satan {{{{TALMUDIC TERRORISTS}}}} in Palestine exempt from
      scrutiny…on these issues…is shooting unarmed Palestinians in a
      concentration camp…really cool for “JEW” worshipping braindeadgoy…

      where does this road to jewtopia go…


    2. Trump is causing unbelievable damage to America, and to the world. Even if he was deposed today the effects of the damage will be with us for generations.

      1. The Chinese are apoplectic over the evil orange clown. He’s been doing nothing but poking them in the eye since he was inaugurated. As I understand it they’re done buying U.S. agricultural products, and they’re probably going to do much more in retaliation. Orange clown is single-handedly trashing everything and nobody’s even trying to stop him.

      2. Hi Harold,
        I think there is a good chance that Mr Trump will be challenged and deselected at the primaries.

        I am no economist but it seems to me that Pre-Trump China was doing all the hard work making goods at low prices the west could not match, and the quality is good. That was good for the majority, and especially the poor. Trump has hurt the poor by making things more expensive for them.

        By starting a trade war he may have saved a few jobs in the steel industry, but he has devastated the farmers, and there a lot more farmers than steel mill workers.

        Larry Kulow is one of his advisors, but I think he may resign soon, because I don’t think Trump is listening to him.



      3. Free trade, Democracy and PEACE bring prosperity. We need PEACE!!

        Only by breaking free from Israeli control can we have peace.

    3. Trump is not fit to be President. He is a narcissistic bully, with bad judgement.

      He can’t push China around like western countries. There are 1.4 billion clever, hard-working Chinese who were doing the west’s work by producing goods for us, and Trump seems to think that was a bad thing.

      This will be China’s century. They will leave the west behind.

  2. Well said, Gilbert! You are a rough diamond with your heart in the right place. Trump is shifting the blame from the Jews who are responsible for this multicultural mess to the White Nationalists who are anxious to clear up the mess.

    The issue is complicated by the fact that Trump’s support base is mostly white — 70 million moronic Christian Zionists who are gagging for Armageddon, the Rapture, and the End Days. They’ll get their “end days” soon enough when Israel gives this him the orders to start bombing Iran.

    Let’s hope Hezbollah is ready to respond with a thousand missiles aimed at Tel Aviv! The breeders of violence are asking for violence. As the Jews sow, so will they reap.

    1. Madame –

      They push until the only resort is VIOLENCE. You’re quite right. As they sow, they will reap.
      As many years before, in America, the biggest challenge will be our correspondence. There are many who have the same attitude, but banding together for really effective resistance will be difficult. I reckon if we can’t hang together, we’ll hang alone. I remember reading a footnote warning by Alexander Solzenitzen which noted they “burned” in their cells, wishing they had used any means available to RESIST….

  3. Tje Gilroy garlic shooter was called a White Supremacist by an “expert” Jewish Professor in California.
    WHY? He had posted a reference to Ragnar Redbeard’s “MIGHT IS RIGHT” which was plagiarized heavily by the Jewish head of the Church of Satan ANTON SZANDOR LAVEY true name Howard Levy of Chicago.
    LaVey stole wholesale and inserted it in his multi-million dollar “Satanic Bible”.
    The Professor said it was a bible of White Supremacist and that MIR spoke evilly of Jews and other non-whites and extolled White Supremacy. The book was written somewhere around 1910 and it says nothing about Jews, unless, in the accepted version, Jesus was a Jew and it does call him “Pallid Incompetence Hanging on a Tree”
    In other words it is a book which either extols Darwinism or is a comic critique of the theory.
    Says that the Dayton shooter was an Elizabeth Warren (and Bernie Sanders) supporter who advocated for socialism, communism and supported Antifa. He also criticized the availability of guns in the US.

    Trump has always condemned Whites and his son Trump Jr cheered the additional Federal sentence of LIFE no parole for the 21 year old fellow who got the sentence fo 417 years + life in a Chancellorsville Virginia court. Trump Jr said as I recall the tweet: “GOOD, ALL WHITE SUPREMACISTS DESERVE THIS” or words to that effect.
    Trump’s children are married to Jews, one of the sons Jewish wives was then said, by the Jews, who had lauded her bloodlines, as “Not a Jew” hmmm.
    The Mechanic says:
    August 4, 2019 at 9:23 am
    MAGA is a Hebrew word, as in Krav MAGA.
    First comes the MAGA, then comes the Krav.
    Reading from right to left, of course.
    Good luck.

    I add for y our convenience:
    The name in Hebrew can be translated as “contact combat”. The root word krav (קרב) means “combat” and maga (מגע) means “contact”.

    Trump has immediately jumped on the gun-control wagon. Good.
    He will be shown to be what he is, even the dimmest witted will be able to see.
    But they let Rush Limbaugh, who flew in an Israeli Airfighter as guest of his dearest friends, the Jews, tell them what is reality.
    8 Chan, which solved the case the Berkeley Police couldn’t the professor ANTIFA thug who used a bike lock swung in a sock and cracked the skulls of Trump supporters. 8 Chan SOLVED it and the professor got– a month long probation.
    TRUMP did NOTHING for his supporters. His Justice Dept has hounded white Trump supporters and PROTECTED ANTIFA, even at their firebombing of cars during the inauguration.

    America has been corrupted and American liberty destroyed by the organized lobby of a foreign power and its co-ethnics in the USA.

    May the mercy of God be with you!

    1. The fAR$E appears to be unravelling. 😆
      * * *
      Dayton Shooter Died in 2014 ❗ Panic Scrubbing of Web ❗ We Caught Them ❗
      Tuesday, August 6, 2019

      Fox News in El Paso went off the script and reported the El Paso Shooting early ❗ You won’t find this clip on the Fake Youtube of course ❗ I had to upload it to Brighteon run by patriot Mike Adams ❗ The woman says, “Oh that hasn’t happened YET :!:”

  4. This was a deep state false flag, witnesses said there were 4 shooters dressed in black and the one guy who was arrested probably was a patsy as none of the shooters dressed in black were arrested.

    Trump stated on 2-28-18 ; take the guns first, go through due process second, so we know where Trump stands!

  5. I don’t know about the EP shooter, but the Connor D. Betts dude was definitely a false flag.

    Two guys, one died on 14′.

    Same name, same last name, same age, same sister name same facial structure, yes the Deep State becomes desperate.

    Also, first time poster here, from Vox Day’s blog.

  6. Folks, don’t let them grab your guns. You already know what will happen next after that. Off to the (((FEMA Camps))).

  7. How many false flags does it take to ban the guns? Some seem to say “as many as it takes” and instinctively claim all such massacres are fake hoaxes or false flags. I don’t think so. If I were the government trying to impose the NWO I would do exactly the opposite to disarm the public. First I would stop these false flags altogether and get the police to stamp out violent crime. Then I could say that people don’t need guns any more as who do they need to protect themselves from, and ban them so that they couldn’t use them to resist the NWO or launch a revolution. All these incidents, and the proliferation of violent crime, has the opposite effect, in that people want to be armed.

    1. Lots of piles of shoes again on display outside the building. Is this some ritualistic thing…?

      1. Ole Dammegaard – an analyst of many of these shootings has noted the shoe thing as a theme in many of them. The shoes of auschwitz?

  8. I didn’t read the alleged Wal-Mart shooter’s alleged “manifesto” but from the few paragraphs I saw of it I’m quite sure it’s contrived BS and was more likely written by a middle-aged jew with an agenda, not a 21 year old kid.

  9. Here’s my take on how this is played, just guessing:

    1. Trump signs off on a staged false flag for Jewish – Israeli supremacy over the Amerikan people.

    2. Trump makes imflamatory tweets and remarks against illegal immigrants (that he is doing nothing about AND HAS NO INTENTION OF SOLVING)

    3. Crisis actors act out the pre-approved CIA script (Operation Gladio style), shootings are staged, real, or combo real and staged. THE EXACT SAME TROOP OF CRISIS ACTORS WITH HAIR COLORED CHANGED.

    4. The Jew snake El Trumpenstein reads the anti-white script and betrays his base, the real target of the false flag are identified because whitey is the intended target of the psyop – just like in 911 when Muslims were the patsies.

    5. The mockingbird media reads their scripts. (Fox made the mistake of broadcasting the Dayton shooting 23 minutes early just like BBC read the script for WTC 7 collapse 30 minutes early)

    6. Congress is stampeded for new anti-gun legislation, maybe they ban certain clips or stocks.

    6. The weekend psyop is mostly successful, most people are fooled, Trump only loses a couple of percentage points of his dumbed down base.

    7. Kevin Barrett does his weekly friday show False Flag Weekly News and about 2,000 people watch it.

    8. Jewry marches on destroying the nation and they are never named as the real supremacist threat.

    1. Trump is setting things up so that any jew can RED FLAG any White or Whites the jew doesn’t like for any reason the jew has and us White Americans will be at the mercy of the horrible jews. And this in a country that has been the best country for jews in the history of the jews. And the jews will LIE their goddamned asses off accusing us White Americans of all kinds of made-up bullshit in order to disarm us White Americans. And Trump knows it. The upcoming RED FLAG laws will be directed overwhelmingly at White Americans . The GUN GRAB is meant to grab the guns of White Americans, NOT blacks, NOT hispanics, NOT third world illegal aliens, NOT jews, and Trump knows that.

      The thought of any Democrat [ including Tulsi, including Yang ] winning in 2020 turns my stomach, and the thought of Trump [ or any of the other Republicans ] winning in 2020 turns my stomach. Yukon Jack has THE CORRECT VIEW.

      I knew when I voted for Trump that he liked Jews/Israel alot, but I thought he also liked us White Americans and wanted good things for us White Americans also, not just the jews but BOTH the jews and us White Americans. Turns out I was very naive for thinking that. Trump only cares about the jews and doesn’t really want good things for us White Americans, he couldn’t care less about us White Americans — he ONLY cares about the jews and their jew agenda for the United States. It’s now very obvious he only cares about the jews and only wants to push their jew agenda for the United States on us White Americans. He likes jews THE MOST, than blacks and hispanics SECOND, then legal immigrants from all over the third world THIRD, then illegal alien immigrants FOURTH. Those of us who are White Americans , we are FIFTH on his list of who he likes best, and maybe us White Americans don’t even make his list of who he likes [ though he pretends to like us White Americans when he’s on the campaign trail looking for votes ]. He is a very good actor when he wants to put on a show. Trump : Another
      actor-president pretending to be a “traditional conservative ALL-American patriotic type ” ala Hollywood Ronald Reagan, the other phony baloney “conservative” lying two-faced son-of-a-b*tch bast*rd.

      1. The gun issue may have a chance of waking up the sheeple, the Reg Flag ruse is exactly what John Titor said in 2000 that the civil war started in America because of secret arrests and people disappearing. The solution to the illegal gun grab is to move away from the cities and live in a rural area where the local sheriff has no sympathy for the federal police.

        First the civil war then Russia nukes the east coast. Good read if you are not familiar:

  10. Charles Manson wanted ‘Helter Skelter’… a race war! His ‘Family’ murdered Sharon Tate 50 years ago this week!!

    Perpetrators, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, and Charles “Tex” Watson. The Tate murders were a mass murder, conducted by members of the Manson Family on August 8–9, 1969.

    Cielo Drive is the street address of a former luxury home in Benedict Canyon, a part of Beverly Crest, north of Beverly Hills, California, where the Charles Manson “family” committed the Tate murders

    NOW – Cielo Vista Mall in El Paso is the site of the shootings.

    Charles Manson was raised in Cincinnati, OH…. close to Dayton. The Dayton shooter was a fan of Manson.

    Tarantino Manson Flick released this week:

    1. Pat –

      Cincinnati is quite a stretch from Dayton. I really cannot see the significance, here, that you suggest. However, I DO find fascinating your inference about Cielo Drive. Whatever the similarities, the results are certainly comparable. They’re coming for our guns!
      Anyone with an inkling of courage and common sense will oppose them to the last – even unto large-scale shootings. (A strategy which has always seemed effective is to demoralize the many while targeting the leader of whatever group assails you.). High-capacity magazines are not requisite for that task – only a well-placed shot.
      Carlos Hathcock emphasized the importance of becoming very proficient with ONE rifle and ONE load. You don’t need a whole slew of guns to do that.

      1. Gil –

        “Cincinnati is quite a stretch from Dayton.”

        Not for me. I have driven the 40 miles from Cincinnati to Dayton more than 20 times over the years. It is a little more than 30 minutes….. going the speed limit. Sometimes less when in a hurry.

        One of my best friends lives in Dayton. He goes to Cincinnati regularly to shop and watch sporting events, especially Reds’ games and Bengals’ games.

        If 30 minutes is a “stretch” to you, then you are correct. Hell!! It takes that long to visit my doctor these days! 🙂

        You missed the point that Manson was supposedly a hero of the shooter.

      2. Pardon me, Pat. I was thinking like a trucker, when we used to pick up and deliver in both places . Dayton had Cargill, and Cinnncinatti had Owens-Illinois.

      3. GILBERT HUNTLY Carlos Hathcock, badass sniper. Any resistance would benefit from a few Carlos’ on their side. The gun-grab will be as it has been – done with steps. Might even see a buyback, like the Aussies had. The best defense will be to go on the offense, at whatever time one finds himself compelled. The manifesto that I read seemed fake, too many agenda-driven points, no personal points, like “to my family…”. I can’t buy that this was that kid’s writing, no 21 year old gamer talks like that.

  11. it’s a lot like building 7 or the 9-11 airliner completely disappearing into the pentagon building…
    when you have seen one sandy hook hoax, and another grossly absurd new zealand mosque airgun shooting hoax, you’ll never be the same when it comes to mass shooting media events… where’s the blood?
    you will go to prison in new zealand for possessing or passing the (really stupid) video… here’s jim fetzer…
    also, it’s a a little way too pat that we have 3 shootings in one weekend, right at the time the dems are gearing up for the next supposed presidential race..
    it was done three at once for effect… a blitz..
    Most likely the next president sockman is already decided, and these shootings are trappings, attachments to fit the scene for the gun grab, surely it’s time to DO SOMETHING… SOMETHING has to be done FOR GOD’S SAKE…
    i did read the el paso manifesto, i understand it’s been taken down now..
    funny thing was it was totally logical, if you were convinced the usa was being overrun with immigrants, who would soon have the voting majority, which is true enough… Texas is going blue fast…
    they’re calling it some kind of white supremacist diatribe now, of course…
    I think the guy was a patsy, like lee harvey oswald standing there holding the rifle and the “free cuba” pamphlets…
    lots of work out there for good crisis actors during this fake political season, it’s a big media event…

    1. Bark, you wrote:

      “it was done three at once for effect… a blitz..”

      I don’t live in the US but I can imagine the MSM is in full swing with these shootings. It works as a distraction from more important issues too.

      Trump just signed an Executive Order demanding a total naval blockade against Venezuela. Years ago the PTB had the courtesy to declare war before such an action. The US doesn’t declare war anymore, for decades now.

      Since the last FED meeting (08/01) the “markets” are agitated. Stocks and crude oil are going down, gold and silver are going up. Trade war with China is getting really ugly.

      1. “…Trump just signed an Executive Order demanding a total naval blockade against Venezuela…”

        Blockade is an act of war and requires a declaration of war.

      2. Carlos, for all the many fine young Americans born since the dawn of the 21st century, we’ve always been at war with (fill in the blank).

    2. Jewish money lenders will do what they always do with the toilet paper they call money: INFLATION! Jewish magicians did it, they transformed toilet paper into gold!! But reality always catches up, a hangover, no “magic” forever. It’s not only America’s problem, every currency attached to the dollar falls with it. A straight line has a constant rate but inflation is different, it accelerates pretty fast because it has a growing rate.

      Official hoax inflation = 2%
      Real inflation (the one that you fell in your pocket) = 7%

      Trump’s problem isn’t some loonies hysterical leftists, is his support base, if he loses it he is toast. After the shootings conservatives (or whatever) are looking to their rifles, but they should pay attention to their wallets!

  12. What’s the big fuss over a mere 20 people or 30 people? When the Muzzies get going, they kill hundreds at a time.
    Of course, when that happens, the slant is always 100 % pro-Moslem: “Nothing to do with Islam”, “Islam is a religion of peace”, “he was mentally ill”, etc., so it doesn’t matter. But when a “right-winger” is “mentally ill” (even if he’s really a left-winger), then ALL right-wingers are “mentally ill” and they are all dangerous: we must “crack down on the radical right”, etc.
    Who would have thought that our media masters were so fanatically pro-Moslem?

      1. What need is there for false flags when you can switch back and forth between philosophical systems like a Mexican jumping bean?

        “Right-wingers” kill people, we are collectivists; all right-wingers (and all white people) are guilty.

        Left-wingers or Muzzies kill people, and presto! We are individualists: “Oh, it’s just a few bad apples”, “We mustn’t demonize an entire people, etc., etc. blah blah blah”…

        1. Yes, your logic is irrefutable! Brilliant!
          How about this for a syllogism
          that would have appealed to the mind of Lewis Carroll?

          Carlos Porter is a Holocaust denier.
          Carlos Porter is an omnivorous reader.
          Therefore all omnivorous readers are Holocaust deniers.

          Try and refute that! 🙂

      2. CWP –

        “What need is there for false flags when you can switch back and forth between philosophical systems like a Mexican jumping bean?”

        Because most of the population that they need to control will not murder folks for political ends. They work. They are NOT paid terrorists! Government agents ARE… and are PAID to do it!!

      3. There is another amusing example of this switching back and forth between philosophical systems.

        For example:

        a) 95 people a day (or some such similar figure) are killed by firearms (mostly criminals killing other criminals, with illegal guns, in cities and states with extremely strict anti-guns laws; Presto! Guns must be outlawed, only the police should be allowed to have guns.

        b) 105 people a day (or some such similar figure) die from illegal drug overdoses; Presto! Drugs must be legalized, people should be allowed to buy all the drugs they want. That would lower the prices (even if means more addicts) and ensure a clean supply (fewer contaminants).

      4. This kind of reasoning could just be easily be switched around.

        a) 95 people are killed by guns = everybody should be allowed to own guns, even criminals (why lose your “civil rights” “just because” you have a felony conviction? “Don’t convicted felons have a right to defend themselves?”

        b) 105 people a day are killed by drugs = drug pushers and even addicts (since they ALWAYS re-sell) should be killed, like in the Philippines, using the guns owned by the people in example a).

        All you have to do is get good at switching things around. Because there is always a double standard. It’s just a game.

  13. Did this really happen or is this some kind of ramping up of the psy-ops, are our controllers feeling that these events are losing their power so the dose has to be doubled to achieve a big effect? Well if that is what they are after it seems to be working, CNN all day Sunday had wall to wall coverage of El Paso and Dayton. It seems all regular programming was put on hold Farid Zakaria had to wait while we are shown endless loops of the same repetitive coverage of these two events. And as usual there is very little actual ‘news’ in El Paso we see endless shots of the Wall Mart store where the shooting is said to have happened from the OUTSIDE of the building. It’s constantly in the background and we can imagine all kinds of things and we are TOLD all kinds of stories about what transpired inside that building but we SEE nothing. We are told one policeman got sick from the overpowering smell of blood it all blurs and begins to sound a bit like ‘holocaust stories’ lots and lots of stories but no evidence.

    But the lack of any real evidence like maybe even one drop of blood, a gurney, an ambulance something/anything is more than made up by relentless punditry on CNN about ‘white supremacy’ or ‘nationalism’ hour after hour of people railing about the evils of this ideology. And the feeling grows is all this just an excuse to push white people into more of a corner, to disallow any real concern about mass immigration. We have the Jewish moderator Jake Tapper (real name Jacob Tapperstein) egging on the more than willing politicians and pundits who all sing from the same song sheet. So it is clear now that ‘white supremacy’ is the new terrorism. We have had our years of the ‘Arab terrorism’ all the false flags and hoaxes, Paris (twice) Brussels, Nice, Munich, Berlin, London Bridge, Westminster Bridge, Manchester Arena and many more. Pretty much all them themed and anchored by the story of Muslim terrorism. Is that series over? Are we into a new Netflix season now? A new season with the constant promotion of the evils of ‘white terrorism’? It seems so…………the Big Kahuna here is Christchurch (the name not an accident!) but we also have had Charlottesville, and Charleston earlier and let’s not forget the two synagogue shootings. The one in Pittsburgh was explicitly done by a white nationalist with fears of mass immigration. The one in Poway was again done by a white hater who wrote a manifesto. A manifesto that showed him to be Jew-aware well beyond what is possible for a young man growing up in this culture. The NZ shooter also had a manifesto so now we see the whole script kind of coalescing into young white haters with manifestos who hate minorities of all sorts which of course also includes Jews. This is the new hate figure the one we are being trained to hate and fear.

  14. Below is a sampling of some of the ‘wisdom’ of the pundits and politicians on what is going on………………

    “Speaking in his hometown of El Paso, the former Texas congressman recounted the president’s hateful rhetoric toward immigrants. “The only modern Western democracy that I can think of that said anything close to this is the Third Reich, Nazi Germany,” O’Rourke said.”

    “The editorial board of another conservative outlet, National Review, argued that the El Paso shooting showed the need for America to root out white supremacy.”

    “In America, as abroad, we see our fair share of inexplicable violence,” the board wrote. “But the patterns on display over the last few years have revealed that we are contending here not with another ‘lone wolf,’ but with the fruit of a murderous and resurgent ideology — white supremacy — that deserves to be treated by the authorities in the same manner as has been the threat posed by militant Islam.”

    “The Democratic chairman of the House judiciary committee, Jerry Nadler, compared Trump’s response to the shootings to Nazi Germany:”

    So I can only conclude that we are now into this new ‘series’………… to how long it lasts or what it achieves or what the ultimate goals are only time will tell I suppose. The other agenda which is related if of course ‘gun control’ especially in the American context. Was it that they needed TWO events to encapsulate these TWO agendas. Maybe any one event could not really contain both agendas so to really push it home they had to have separate events but very close together. And viola! that is what we got this weekend. So now any way you turn you will be faced with the need for gun control and the realization of how bad and ‘hateful’ white supremacy is! And to keep it simple it seems that of the three branches of the Abrahamic religion both the Muslim one and the White Christian one are capable of ‘hate’ and terrorism with no bounds. Jews on the other hand are just innocent victims minding their own business, both of these hate groups specifically attack Jews as the white haters did in Pittsburgh and Poway ‘synagogue shootings’

    I can only conclude this is a massive psy-op we are in the middle of another Jewish maelstrom of deception and disinformation. They control the media and we will have to listen to this blather for quite a while yet……………….maybe until they have disarmed all of American and it will be illegal and punishable by death to make any hostile gesture towards Jews and Israel and that included opening your mouth to criticize them. So I do this while I still can😳

    1. All this hysteria is ridiculous.

      People — white people, even in rural areas — are overdosing or otherwise killing themselves in unprecedented numbers, because “life is not worth living”; no problem! Trump does NOTHING.

      Well, if life isn’t worth living, why just kill yourself? Why not kill a few OTHER people? Specifically, why not take out a few of your enemies — the people who MADE life “not worth living” — on your way down?

      Then people pretend to be surprised. What the hell do people expect?

      Incidentally, where were all the concealed carry people at Wall Mart? Don’t tell me Mexicans don’t carry weapons, but they probably only had knives on them. Logically, we should encourage as much concealed carry as possible. Hasta la próxima vez, amigo, pero no olvides la pistola, entendido?

      1. Forgot the upside down question mark on “¿Ententido?”

        Another thought occurs to me. If El Paso gets too violent for them, maybe our Mexican pals will go back to Guatamala? Or maybe we should hand the country over to them, so we can have a murder rate like in El Salvador?

        It’s like those stories you read about middle-class parents from Africa or the Caribbean who send their children back to Africa or Jamaica from Britain to attend secondary school. Africa is safer!

      2. There’s another stunt they pull. There is never any logical or factual discussion about anything. Never.

        Instead, they invent some crazy neologism implying that you are mentally ill, and simply repeat it ad infinitum, before going off some totally irrelevant tangent that evades the merits of whatever you’re trying to say.

        For example, if you were to tell a child not to stick a metal fork into an electrical socket, they would say “That’s forkism, we musn’t be forkists”, or, “That’s electrico-phobia, we mustn’t be electrico-phobes”, then they’d start chanting and screaming about “Are you saying we should live without electricity? Think of all the things electricity does for us,…”, etc., and the point you were making would be completely forgotten. We are dealing with criminal idiots.

      3. How is it possible for 1 person (or even 4 persons) to shoot almost 60 people (including the wounded) in a city in Texas, a concealed carry state which is full of guns? I don’t believe it.

  15. Whether the event is real or nor, those shoes gathered there seem like a modern, or is it post-modern, art exhibit. No way were those shoes left there randomly with people fleeing. Unless they had an impromptu muslim prayer meeting in one of the bars and left their shoes outside as muslims would outside a mosque. Or some barefoot orgy. Regardless, you know what that is supposed to remind you of – subliminal messaging by the you know whos. There used to be a website that analysed almost every terrorist event as a false flag orchestrated by ZOG but it is no more. They’d have had fun with this one.

    1. Wal-Mart shoe display? Let’s see now, where have we seen that imagery before? Here’s a hint, it is something we are not supposed to forget.

      Jews love the “faceless masses” motif. No doubt something to do with their hive-minded culture. The forgotten six million, never forgotten, are the murdered masses Jews dote on long after the doting has stopped for all the other events from that war.

      “Oh the horror, the inhumanity of those damned Naaadzeees!” cries the Jew, stopping to ask his child bride, “Where the hell did you put my SS uniform anyway?” To reinforce their nonsensical lies, Jews come up with some of the ugliest “artwork” ever produced on this planet. However, these are not really displays of art, but Jewish lies cast in stone.

      Walls. Jews love walls.

      From the walled cities like Sodom and Jericho, utterly decimated in Bible stories,
      To the Palestinians Jews have walled-in in Israel,
      To the wall memorials for various wars,
      To Trump’s failed “immigration” wall, et al, Jews – love – walls.

      Perhaps the “wall” is a metaphorical, Freudian reflection of the Jews’ mindset as in, “it’s like talking to a brick wall.” Perhaps Jews see the wall as a sign of respect. Like their mafia brethren, Jews are always demanding respect, a respect they do not deserve, which is why they must demand it.

      See how much Jews enjoy their walls? “Oh look! There is uncle Sholomo’s name. He escaped the gas chambers at least ten times by repeatedly killing Naadzee guards with his bare hands. And there is aunt Sarah’s name, she escaped the gas chambers by setting up house in the camp latrine. The Naadzees never knew she was there. And look, up there! My fathers name. He went up the chimney at Auschwitz as a sickly-green plume of smoke because he was a Polish Jew. And of course there is darling Ann Franks name – written in ball-point pen ink no less! What a fun way to spend the day, eh? It’s high time we Jews insist American tax dollars are spent building another Holocaust memorial wall, this time one made from bars of soap! Cast from bronze of course. Best of all, soap is the right shape.”

      We need more Shoa-cation
      We need more thought control
      No dark “racism” in the classroom
      Teachers, leave them Jews alone
      Hey! Teachers! Leave them Jews alone!
      All in all we’re just another brick in their wall
      All in all you’re just another brick in their wall

      Take a good look at the full ugliness of the Jews and their lies as written across white civilization’s former landscape.

      1. Arch,

        Thanks for the explanations, I can see clearly now the parallels. Phew.. what a (((J-E-W))).

      2. What about the GHETTOWALLS?

        …Jewish discourses, which may, however, have been influenced by Christian thinking, since Judaism,
        D E S P I T E all ghetto walls, could of course not completely protect itself against external influences…
        -Schalom Ben Chorin

  16. President Trump calls for ‘red flag’ gun confiscation laws in response to Texas & Ohio shootings!!

    In discussing how to respond on a policy level later in the address, the president voiced his support for so-called “red flag” laws, which empower judges to take people’s guns away by court order if the person is deemed to be a “grave risk to public safety.”

    “We must make sure that those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety do not have access to firearms and that if they do, those firearms can be taken through rapid due process,” Trump said. “That is why I have called for red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders.”

    While the impulse to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people is an understandable one, the devil is always in the details. Not all so-called “red flag” laws are created equal, and they can often be nightmares for due process rights.

    Taking Second Amendment rights(sic) away from people for non-criminal reasons is already on the books. Someone who has been adjudicated “as a mental defective” or involuntarily committed to a mental institution can’t buy a gun.

  17. Multiple Witnesses To El Paso Shooting Said There Were At Least 3 Shooters Dressed In Black!!

    Multiple people are reporting that they saw at least 3 shooters inside the Walmart and not just the one that the media is telling everyone.

    Woman: “As we were waiting to pay I saw some men run in, shooting.”

    False Flags Are Rewarded with Gun Control – The Long-Predicted Tet Offensive Is Here!!

    “In 2013, I wrote that “Zbigniew Brzezinski is an insider’s insider. He and David Rockefeller co-founded the Trilateral Commission. He served as Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser. He may as well have been called Mr. President during the Carter years because he ran the US economy into the ground while undermining American sovereignty during the Carter administration. Many suspect that he also controls Obama. He was, after all, Obama’s Russian Studies professor at Columbia back in the 1980’s. We know that he handpicked Jimmy Carter to become the President and many suspect he had a large hand in grooming Obama for the same job. Brzezinski’s close affiliation with Rockefeller makes him a person of interest when it comes to the subjugation, of not only this country, but of the entire planet. Brzezinski is obviously the globalist’s man on the ground and serves the role as puppet master. Brzezinski’s call of warning to the “global political awakening” has only intensified in recent years. In 2012, Brzezinski also blamed the accessibility of “radio, television and the Internet” for the “universal awakening of mass political consciousness.” This statement is tantamount to admitting that the globalists are losing. ”

  18. I think gun possession is only for sober and level headed people, who do not have mental problems, are not scripted for head drugs.. and I don’t see a hell of a lot wrong with the authorities going out to someone’s house and confiscating his weapons, if somebody’s out of his head and threatening people, acting dangerous… That’s the Sheriff’s job and I’ve been told by deputies they have done it sometimes, without getting warrants, so as not to stigmatize the person… I can tell you there were a few drunken crazy mfers back in appalachia in the 50s and 60s, waving guns around at people, and it would have been the thing to do sometimes… But I never saw it happen…
    Humans have to be held to a behavioral standard, to possess weapons, the choice is yours..
    However, it could hardly be more obvious that the Jew media contrives these shootings, and that there are no real journalists anywhere on commercial television… Not Hannity, or any of his knockout broads, not Chis Hedges, not America’s Lawyer, none of those vaccine pedaling nitwits on RT, not even that hot Mexican teleprompter lass on channel 3 at noon… Everybody’s under control in the commercial media..
    And you can tell how corporate RT is by the way they assault you with their commercials, same as Fox, no different, not even any conjecture from them on these events…
    Trump is still entertaining with his frank tweets and his caustic comments, but in the end he’s a total stooge for somebody else… He never put his foot down on the border problem like he could have… He never told the truth about 9-11, never threw it in the media’s face and he never will….. The Jews control him, which is fine with all the Pentagon war contractors and all the fed bank fiat money printers, handing it over to Goldman Sachs, where Lloyd Blankfein makes $245,000 a day…
    Tell me bro, have you ever read Miles Mathis report of the whole Charles Manson-Sharon Tate circus?

    1. I have read so many I cannot remember.

      Here is a good one. A 17 part chronicle: (‘LC’ is Laurel Canyon)

      Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation

      by Dave McGowan

      (very few excerpts from 137 pages)
      During the early years of its heyday, Laurel Canyon’s father figure is the rather eccentric personality known as Frank Zappa. Though he and his various Mothers of Invention line-ups will never attain the commercial success of the band headed by the admiral’s son, Frank will be a hugely influential figure among his contemporaries. Ensconced in an abode dubbed the ‘Log Cabin’ – which sat right in the heart of Laurel Canyon, at the crossroads of Laurel Canyon Boulevard and Lookout Mountain Avenue – Zappa will play host to virtually every musician who passes through the canyon in the mid- to late-1960s. He will also discover and sign numerous acts to his various Laurel Canyon-based record labels. Many of these acts will be rather bizarre and somewhat obscure characters (think Captain Beefheart and Larry “Wild Man” Fischer), but some of them, such as psychedelic rocker cum shock-rocker Alice Cooper, will go on to superstardom.

      Given that Zappa was, by numerous accounts, a pro-war, rigidly authoritarian control-freak, it is perhaps not surprising that he would not feel a kinship with the youth movement that he helped nurture. And it is probably safe to say that Frank’s dad also had little regard for the youth culture of the 1960s, given that Francis Zappa was, in case you were wondering, a chemical warfare specialist assigned to – where else? – the Edgewood Arsenal. Edgewood is, of course, the longtime home of America’s chemical warfare program, as well as a facility frequently cited as being deeply enmeshed in MK-ULTRA operations. Curiously enough, Frank Zappa literally grew up at the Edgewood Arsenal, having lived the first seven years of his life in military housing on the grounds of the facility. The family later moved to Lancaster, California, near Edwards Air Force Base, where Francis Zappa continued to busy himself with doing classified work for the military/intelligence complex. His son, meanwhile, prepped himself to become an icon of the peace & love crowd. Again, nothing unusual about that, I suppose. Zappa’s manager, by the way, is a shadowy character by the name of Herb Cohen, who had come out to L.A. from the Bronx with his brother Mutt just before the music and club scene began heating up. Cohen, a former U.S. Marine, had spent a few years traveling the world before his arrival on the Laurel Canyon scene. Those travels, curiously, had taken him to the Congo in 1961, at the very time that leftist Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba was being tortured and killed by our very own CIA. Not to worry though; according to one of Zappa’s biographers, Cohen wasn’t in the Congo on some kind of nefarious intelligence mission. No, he was there, believe it or not, to supply arms to Lumumba “in defiance of the CIA.” Because, you know, that is the kind of thing that globetrotting ex-Marines did in those days (as we’ll see soon enough when we take a look at another Laurel Canyon luminary).

      Making up the other half of Laurel Canyon’s First Family is Frank’s wife, Gail Zappa, known formerly as Adelaide Sloatman. Gail hails from a long line of career Naval officers, including her father, who spent his life working on classified nuclear weapons research for the U.S. Navy. Gail herself had once worked as a secretary for the Office of Naval Research and Development (she also once told an interviewer that she had “heard voices all [her] life”). Many years before their nearly simultaneous arrival in Laurel Canyon, Gail had attended a Naval kindergarten with “Mr. Mojo Risin'” himself, Jim Morrison (it is claimed that, as children, Gail once hit Jim over the head with a hammer). The very same Jim Morrison had later attended the same Alexandria, Virginia high school as two other future Laurel Canyon luminaries – John Phillips and Cass Elliott.

      1. I remember Zappa songs like “Penguin in Bondage” and “Mongoloid”. He was a weirdo, for sure. 😃

  19. When the state can a take away a “right” it is no longer a “right,” but a privilege granted by the state. As the state edges the idea of “reasonable gun control” into public subconsciousness, the default of that concept will be the full acceptance of firearms ownership being a privilege rightfully granted by the state. The idea can be seen in statements like the one made by Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH)

    “These are weapons for military use. This isn’t a hunting weapon or a self-protection weapon that people have a right to. This is a weapon people shouldn’t be allowed to buy for civilian use.””

    Can you hear this political clown making the state’s claim for granting its privilege of firearm ownership? Show me where the Second Amendment specifies what type of weapon one can own. The founders’ intent was for American citizens to have firepower equal to their monarchal, statist enemies. Up until the 1920s Americans could possess canons, fully armed tanks, grenades, mines, machine guns and other military weapons with no government oversight. White men with weapons – a Jewish nightmare it’z!

    America’s full acceptance of firearm ownership as state granted privilege is exactly what Jews are waiting for to “legally” remove or completely skirt the Second Amendment. The “gun rights” and second amendment groups’ battle cry should be, “I’ll give up my firearms after Israeli citizens give up theirs!” At the very least, this would bring about a question of what Jews have to do with American firearm ownership.

    When Jews have their minions knocking on your door to steal your firearms, will you willingly hand them over like other white fools did in former white countries? Before you answer, take a close look at what is happening to white people in those countries where minorities know whites have no firearms and no ability to defend themselves. Note carefully other non-weapons minorities use to murder whites. Still think giving up the Second Amendment will improve your safety? Also it would be advantageous to review what happened to the indigenous Russian people once the Judeocommunist had “legally” stolen their firearms.

    Think about it. Think hard about it, because the day is fast approaching when you will be faced with this very question.

    Remember this, cowardly Jews fold their tents and run like hell at the first sign of real resistance from a capable, determined enemy.

    August 6, 2019 at 4:27 pm
    “Carlos Porter is a Holocaust denier.
    Carlos Porter is an omnivorous reader.
    Therefore all omnivorous readers are Holocaust deniers…”

    Those are two particular premises, from which no conclusion follows (or so we are told, I think not entirely correctly).

    We discussed this once before, about 6 months ago, below an article entitled “When the Angels Fell to Earth”.

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    A friend of the El Paso shooter, you know the lone not out of the two or three other marksmen seen by several people, says that he was autistic and was not capable of writing any manifesto.
    At the present rate most of America will be autistic in three more generations. There will be no need for weapons for self-defense. Future Autistic Americans all drugged up, will will be truly living in a Talmudic paradise. The American landscape will be a Cambodian like killing field writ large. That is the future. Get used to it. The Chinese with their brains fried by 5G will be moved to fill the empty American landscape and do the heavy lifting in the American paradise run by the (((who)))? The docile Russians will be happy living in their age old system of a totalitarian ruler. And Europe by 2100 will be a Muslim out-house whose non white males, with their self described baseball sized testicles, will have impregnated all of European White women-hood leaving the replaced non-European Muslin females to die all alone, by not being 2nd or 3rd class in the Islamic sex, death and clitoridectomy cult.
    By 2100 the world wide Democratic-Communists will be singing “Happy Days Are Here Again” accompanied by the (((New World Oder))) symphony played in the key of Z flat; the great grand son of Jorge Soreass conducting.
    Any Christians left will be hiding out in primitive wilderness camps, mostly left alone reading their tattered Bibles dreaming the ago old dream while waiting for the 2nd coming.

    1. TJ –

      I believe all the shooters have had mental disorders and have been under medical treatment. Go figger!

      Control big pharma & psychs…. not guns!

      1. Exactly right Pat. The El Paso patsy was most likely doped up by his father, TJ won’t hold his breath waiting for some of these drug pushing psych-witch doctors indicted as accessories for murder.
        How about the new math where three shooters equals one drug-upped autistic mind controlled patsy incapable of writing a manifesto that was uploaded to the internet most likely by an FBI cutout?
        The congressional snowflakes including the flakey RINOs just love guns so much for their own personal body guards but want to take them from the American people so that America can be a safe place for their criminal activities and militarized police.

      2. I believe it to be a more or less established fact that in every single case in which there has been a school shooting or something similar, and the medical records were released, the shooter was found to have been taking anti-depressant or anti-schizophrenic medication. People that have taken these drugs often say that they were overwhelmed by overpowering thoughts of murder and suicide.

        There was a case in Luxembourg of a man who took a single anti-depressant tablet that wasn’t prescribed for him (this is supposed to make a big difference, but to me, a poison is a poison, whether it’s intended for you or not); his wife asked him to take the car and go buy some Rich Tea Biscuits and a newspaper. He bought the Rich Tea Biscuits and newspaper, drove most of the way home, parked the car by a forest, went into the forest and hanged himself.

        Now, what’s the logic in that? If he intended to hang himself, why bother with the biscuits and newspaper? Did he really think she would be interested in the newspaper afterwards, and maybe eat the biscuits over tea while reading the paper?

        It then came out that the medication in question had a whole history of “unwanted side effects”, one of which was death by hanging [!!].

        Why hanging? They didn’t shoot themselves, or jump off buildings or bridges, or in front of trains or semi-trucks; they didn’t drown themselves or cut their veins; they didn’t electrocute themselves or cut their wrists; they hanged themselves.

        Now, the key question: if I shoot 10 people because I admire Trump, Trump is guilty!

        But if Big Pharma sells drugs that cause hundreds of people to kill themselves or members of their families, Big Pharma is innocent?

        “It’s just a side effect! You don’t have to take it if you don’t want to! That’s the Free Market!”

        This whole blame game is just that — a game, totally arbitrary.
        It’s all mind-games. Everything the Jews do is symbolic.

  22. PAT
    Apparently the whole Laural Canyon musical crowd was the offspring of a lot of high ranking military officers and CIA people… Miles says Sharon Tate’s daddy was one of the main operatives in the Operation Gladio terror campaign in Italy, blaming them on the Red Brigades, keeping the Commie thing alive…. You could get the impression a lot of the rock scene was invented by those same types, who put their own kids on stage… It’s also where you got these guys 20 years later, and this is the ballad of CIA Creeps everywhere…

    1. Miles Mathis is interesting but I find it hard to believe that one guy can be so multi-talented and prolific in a whole range of unrelated areas, especially when he accuses others who are half as productive as he is of being assisted by intelligence agencies. He seems to have delusions of grandeur, based on what he has to say about himself in conclusion of his piece on the beatniks, whom he accuses of working for the CIA:

      “To those agents who are reading this—and I know you are there—you may ask why I can’t just shut up and leave well enough alone. Why do I seem to be on this idealistic crusade? Just in case you really don’t know, even after reading all my papers, it is because I am one of the real artists you defined out of the game. You stole my life from me and left me on the side of the road, with nowhere to go. More than that, you blocked all other meaningful work as well, for me and all people like me. I am also a poet: you destroyed poetry. I am a novelist: you destroyed that, too. So I went into science, only to discover you had destroyed that, too. You have destroyed the top end of every field, which of course will leave people like me very bored, with nothing to do but counter-attack. If you had found a way to include us—had left some field of endeavor open to excellence, idealism, truth, and beauty—you might have saved yourself much opposition. In the meantime, people like me might have solved some of your problems for you, and the world wouldn’t have to be such a nasty cut-throat place.”

  23. C MIKE
    I hear you, and it’s good to be cautious..
    However, I know from experience there are people in this world whose brains go a lot faster, bordering on maniacal, sometime probably over the edge… Mad Scientist..
    Yet it doesn’t even mean everything they say is nutty… Not even..
    i know a guy like that, who’s currently incarcerated under a psyche evaluation..
    He talks a lot about all kinds of scientific stuff, a mile a minute, but he’s obviously highly intelligent…
    He might be a visionary..
    The Mathis quote you posted does sound a bit paranoid, whatever…
    But i think we should all strongly suspect that in the post 9-11 world science is totally controlled too..
    Certain axioms will stay in place, the speed of light, the nature of gravity, genetics, because above all the masses are to be controlled, whereas the liberation of technology will otherwise provide humanity a miraculous leap forward…

    1. Bark,

      I’m not saying that what he wrote in that quote isn’t true. Even the craziest people can have some insights. And some can indeed be very talented but tend to burn out sooner or later. Drugs can be involved too. Even if discontinued some can have a lasting effect on some sensitive individuals. I just feel one shouldn’t get carried away in certain directions, especially if one isn’t an expert in specific areas and starts presenting guesswork as research. Many conspiracy theorist point out to links they discover but then embellish further with the workings of their own imagination. Well some of it can be true I guess. Where there’s smoke …

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