YouTube Plans To Ban Free Speech On Advice Of Jews

YouTube is to remove videos denying the “Holocaust” and glorifying National Socialism – Other types of videos to be removed under YouTube’s new rules include conspiracy theories about Jews running the world, calls to deny women civil rights on the grounds they are less intelligent than men, and some White nationalist content.

Will it soon be a criminal offense to ask this question?

(Reuters) – YouTube said on Wednesday it would remove videos that deny factual catastrophes such as the Holocaust ever happened and stop sharing ad revenue with channels that skirt too close to its rules, a major policy reversal as it fights criticism that it provides a platform for hate speech and harassment.

The streaming service, owned by Alphabet Inc’s Google, said it was taking aim at videos claiming school shootings and other “well-documented violent events” are hoaxes. It also will remove videos that glorify Nazi ideology or promote groups that claim superiority to justify discrimination.

In addition, video creators that repeatedly brush up against YouTube’s hate speech rules, even without violating them, will be removed from its advertising revenue-sharing program, YouTube spokesman Farshad Shadloo said.

YouTube applied the policy with immediate effect, announcing on Twitter that it suspended “monetization” for self-described conservative comedian Steven Crowder after days of complaints from journalists and gay rights advocates that his comments about a gay journalist amounted to bigotry.

Crowder responded in a Twitter video that the policy would hurt many creators.

“The ability for one to make a living online, particularly on YouTube, is about to change drastically,” he said.

Criticism of the policy swelled on Twitter as several users said they also received monetization suspensions. They said they were told they could change their content and re-apply to the program in 30 days.

“Taking steps impacting people’s speech should be done with care, with attention to context, with clarity and transparency, and a meaningful, timely opportunity to appeal,” said Katharine Trendacosta, manager of policy and activism at the online rights group Electronic Frontier Foundation. “What YouTube is doing does not appear to follow these ideas.”

YouTube for years has stood by its policy of allowing diverse commentary on history, race and other fraught issues, even if some of it was objectionable to many users.

Regulators, advertisers and users have said that free speech should have its limits online, where conspiracies and hate travel fast and can radicalize viewers. The threat of widespread regulation, and a few advertiser boycotts, appear to have spurred more focus on the issue from YouTube and researchers.

EXPERT VIEWS SOUGHT

In a blog post, the company did not explain why it changed its stance but said it consulted with dozens of experts in extremism and civil rights.

YouTube acknowledged the new policies could hurt those who seek out objectionable videos “to understand hate in order to combat it.” The policies will also frustrate free speech advocates.

“YouTube as a private company is well within its rights,” said Jennifer Granick, a speech and technology expert at the American Civil Liberties Union. But “YouTube will make mistakes, and over-censor.”

Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, which researches anti-Semitism, said it had provided input to YouTube on the policy change.

“While this is an important step forward, this move alone is insufficient and must be followed by many more changes from YouTube and other tech companies to adequately counter the scourge of online hate and extremism,” he said in a statement.

Other types of videos to be removed under YouTube’s new rules include conspiracy theories about Jews running the world, calls to deny women civil rights on the grounds they are less intelligent than men, and some white nationalist content.

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LD :  Jonathan Greenblatt (pictured) became the sixth National Director and CEO of the Anti-Defamation League in 2015. Before heading the ADL, Greenblatt served in the White House as Special Assistant to Barack Obama.  He is married to Marjan Keypour Greenblatt, an Iranian Jewish political refugee to the United States.

It is typical of YouTube that it should shut down free speech on the advice of another Jew who heads the Anti-Defamation League and defines any criticism of Israel as “hate speech.” 

How long can the Darkmoon site (and similar anti-Zionist AltRight champions of free speech) hope to last in this creepy atmosphere of Orwellian censorship? The all-seeing eye of Big Brother keeps a close watch over us, taking the first steps now to criminalize Holocaust revisionism, White nationalism, all references to Mein Kampf and the Protocols, and all politically dissident ideas abominated by our Jewish masters as “hateful conspiracy theories”.

Remember it was not so long ago, in Stalin’s reign of terror, that mere possession of a copy of The Protocols of Zion could result in life imprisonment in the Siberian gulags. “Anti-Semitism” itself, defined by Jews as anything critical of Jews or offensive to Jews, became a capital crime. Is this what we are heading for? It looks like it.

My advice to all Americans: Keep your guns and stock up on ammo! You may need to make use of them sooner than you think.  [LD]       

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113 thoughts to “YouTube Plans To Ban Free Speech On Advice Of Jews”

  1. We didn’t need a crystal ball to see this attack on free speech coming but this outright censorship of opinions and views by the Jewish powers that shouldn’t be is more proof of the Zionist communist tyranny tightening it’s grip in the West!!

    What are these Jewish groups so afraid of is it the truth and the exposure of their malevolent lies??

    Youtube will hopefully regret this action as other and new online media platforms are used such as Bitchute!!

    Soviet Union here we come how soon before the gulags are open for European/ white Nationalists and Patriots……not long me thinks!! At least my brothers in America still have your guns…. don’t let these white haters take them!!

    1. I used to think that the idea that Jews were aiming to control the world was a silly conspiracy theory. Now I am not so sure. It would be ludicrous to deny that Jews have a network which can exert great power on governments, finance, business, the media and academia. This is particularly so in the USA.

      I don’t see how we can stop it. It isn’t illegal for Jews to support fellow Jews.

      The problem is that we gentiles do not have such a network. We are accused of anti-semitism if we voice such views, which are no more than the truth, and in many European countries you can go to jail for expressing those truths.

      This naturally causes resentment, and It is from that resentment that real dangerous anti-semitism grows.

      1. I don’t agree with the blanket anti-semitism often posted on this site. In my youth I had many Jewish friends, good people who would not hurt a fly. The best school teacher I ever had was a Jewish lady,

        It is today’s Jewish Power that I fear. It is the American power of Jewish influence fomenting war against Iran and Russia that could lead us all into disaster.

        The Jewish Lobby in America, as exemplified by AIPAC, is doing great harm to those decent Jews who do not want to see America and NATO fighting wars on behalf of Israel.

        Until we are allowed to freely voice comments, facts or opinions about Jews we will remain subjugated. We are not free unless we have free speech. You can go to jail in Europe for stating facts about 20th century Jewish history.

      2. John –

        You wrote:
        “I don’t agree with the blanket anti-semitism often posted on this site. In my youth I had many Jewish friends, good people who would not hurt a fly. The best school teacher I ever had was a Jewish lady,”

        Tell all of them that the holocaust burning of 6 million jews is a lie that they must help stop.

        You will see….
        They will not want to be your friend or help you anymore. I know from experience.

      3. Hi Pat,
        I get the same response if I say the same to most gentiles. The official story of the 6 million is ingrained in Jews and gentiles, but the internet is gradually changing things, especially amongst the young.

  2. While it is still possible, I’d like to compare Mr Jonathan Greenblatt :

    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2017/08/AP_17122597876202-e1502812372376-640×400.jpg

    with this : https://sites.psu.edu/morganseiff/files/2017/09/download-2613qx6.jpg

    Why should we care about censorship of Jewish owned or controlled companies ? Why not create our own equivalents of Google, Wikipedia, PayPal, YouTube and Twitter ? Is that really so difficult ?

    1. @ Franklin Ryckaert

      Loved your picture comparison! Naughty naughty!
      That will earn you a free one-way ticket to the gulags! 🙂

    2. “…Is that really so difficult ?…”

      Yes. I don’t quite know why, but for many things, yes.

      The Jews always create a bottleneck someplace, and then make sure that nothing they don’t like can get through the bottleneck. For example, something I know about, you can print books and sell them out of your garage, no problem, but to get them into the “international distribution networks” — a Jewish monopoly — requires the approval of “U-No-Hu”.

      1. Well, who controls the banks and payment systems? So, I wonder if those people will simply refuse to allow new platforms to hold bank accounts or receive payments which, w/o a bank account to go into, would be worthless. Then we have to consider hosting sites. They seem largely controlled by nasties. Let us hope.

      2. Fellow Darkmooners.
        Let’s KISS….(Keep It Simple Stupid). Why identify a criminal as Jewish? Just identity the CRIMINAL as a CRIMINAL. Very simple. Jews don’t have a monopoly on crime. Never did. Plenty of bad actors of all stripes and colors. Soni Bono was “whacked” by the Clinton cartel. Not Jewish at all. Satanistas, yes. Jewish…… no. Experienced skier runs into tree. Dead at impact. Oh well. Exactly WHO beat him to death on a ski slope? Were they wearing skis or snow-shoes? Kinda hard to throw punches in either. Anyway. Pi.s in a Jews Cheerios…… you’re a target. Pi.s in a Goys Cheerios……the same. Corrupt people in power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Donaldo doesn’t wish for DARKMOON to develope into an anti-Jewish forum. DARKMOON is better than that. Anyway. Let’s not use LABELS please. Let’s stick to the topics……and….. possible solutions. People like Bibi and Kushner are gold-medal-winning, corrupt , d.ckholes not because they are (claim to be) Jewish. They won the gold simply because they’re corrupt d.ckholes. Anyway. The problem is crime and corruption Worldwide. Lots of it in Mexico. Donaldo just doesn’t see the light at the end of the tunnel. Oh well. Time for some tequila to deaden the pain. 🌮🤔.

      3. “Is it really that difficult?”

        Not if you’ve got billions of dollars, maybe. Maybe not even then.

      4. in the 19th century, the railroads and other giants like Standard Oil used to drive smaller companies into bankruptcy through discriminatory pricing and rates, and then buy up their assets at fire-sale prices.

        It’s no use telling some farmer or small manufacturer or shipper “Why don’t you start your OWN railroad? Why don’t you start your OWN oil company?”

        These practices were prohibited by the anti-trust laws. That’s what we need now.

      5. The Jews, The jews, The Jews! Its always us. For starters use crypto currencies like Bitcoin that avoid the the banking system as we know it, or perhaps you think Satoshi Nakamoto is really Shlomo Nakastein. Just look in the mirror and blame yourselves. Learn to accept your own shortcomings and stop blaming others for all the worlds problems be they muslims, blacks or Napalese dwarfts! This web-site is filled with a bunch of conspiracy theorists feeding off one another. Nothing happened, not the moon landing, the sandy hook shooting or the holocaust. Perhaps WWII was a hoax. False Flag, Right! It never happened either. It was all staged. We Jews drugged the world between 1940 & 1945 and when the world awoke we had you all believing that there was a war and you believed it, Wow. Holy Cow, you are all really freekin stupid. You know, there are non Jews like Bill Gates & Warren Buffett and hundreds of others who seem to have done just fine. You all believe that we jews have them in our pockets as well. Guess what, Jews are smart so tough crap! Take that to your nearest neo nazi meeting and drink some beer and rally the troops. Perhaps you can start another web-site like LD then you will have another forum to waste your time complaining to each other and playing Socrates. 🙂 🙂 🙂

      6. @ Ralan

        A fine rant, Sir Jew. But as usual you stray from the point. Will you tell me why you Jews are free to vilify Jesus Christ and spit on Christians in Israel? And why, pray tell, are non-Jews being censored and punished for doubting the Holocaust? Why is belief in the Holocaust compulsory? Can you explain?

        You forget that the man why has advised YouTube to SHUT DOWN FREE SPEECH for the goyim is a JEW! — Jonathan Greenblatt, Director of the Anti-Defamation League!

        You Jews have much to answer for, Ralan. In any case, you can’t FORCE people to LOVE you Jews by legislation and by making love of Jews compulsory.

        The old chestnut that we hate Jews because we are “jealous” of your wealth and superior intellects is just plain stupid. Not true. How can you be jealous of ugly little moneylenders and hook-nosed perverts and bloodsuckers who exploit the poor? Who wants to be like the filthy porn-loving Jewish pimps in Tel Aviv with their brothels full of underage girls kidnapped in Eastern Europe?

        Sorry Ralan, very few people I know are “jealous” of vermin, “envious” of sewer rats, or want to model themselves on smelly skunks! You Jews are hated because you are essentially hateful. Wherever you go, you generate hatred by your behavior.

        Too bad you can’t see this, Ralan. 🙂

  3. With worldwide catastrophic events, in strength and numbers, increasing daily, I think in two or three weeks, this will be, as with all things past and present, immaterial.

  4. It can only be called a “factual catastrophe” by denying they lied about Jews being made into soap and lampshades and that Auschwitz had 4 million people murdered there, only to drop it to 1 million people 40 years later. These are just two items. Everything they claimed has been disproven, so they had to change their entire story and they don’t have a shred of evidence to prove their new claims. The question is, how can so many lies be exposed and these same liars still have the moral high ground allowing them to call a hoax “factual”?

    1. @ Peter

      This is only to be expected, Peter. When psychopathic tyrants are confronted with their own mendacity, the only way they can save face is to express absolute outrage that anyone should dare to question them and the obvious, undeniable, self-evident “truth” which they proclaim: namely, that 2 + 2 = 5.

      Remember, this is what happened in Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four when Winston Smith, after a suitable brainwashing period accompanied by torture, was finally convinced that 2 + 2 DID equal 5! He even felt a vague onrush of love for Big Brother.

      So it will be with the masses. They will all soon come to love the Jews and believe that to doubt the Holocaust is a sacrilege. Logic itself is put to sleep under the sway of mass hypnosis.

      Holocaustianity is already replacing Christianity as the new religion of the West.

      1. The modern hoi polloi are so mentally and morally lame and weak they don’t need to be tortured or punished or even upbraided much at all for them to comply.
        Bribery and/or promises of more free stuff will normally compel conformity.
        God bless (fill in the blank)!

        For the rare dissidents and malcontents, threats of removal from the Social Media arena and confiscation of their I-Phones should more or less suffice in tying up those pesky loose ends.

        Thumb screws are soooo 20th century..

      2. Pat, Ouch! Yes the anomalous few will always be with us. The mouth breathers, so to say.
        But nowadays and as far into the future as time permits, we’ll instead be matching wits, mental dexterity, lies and B.S. with A. I.
        (and it’s really gonna hurt)

  5. “While this is an important step forward, this move alone is insufficient and must be followed by many more changes from YouTube and other tech companies to adequately counter the scourge of online hate and extremism,” he said in a statement.??????????

    I think it has gotten to the point where even people who are not woke to the Jews are going to start seeing them for what they really are……………I think the jews are getting desperate and so they are trying to censor everything as fast as they can…….but in doing so it is only making people even more suspicious of them…………like what are the jews trying to hide.

    1. “…I think it has gotten to the point where even people who are not woke to the Jews are going to start seeing them for what they really are……………I think the jews are getting desperate and so they are trying to censor everything as fast as they can…….but in doing so it is only making people even more suspicious of them…………like what are the jews trying to hide…”

      Agreed. We can see that happening.

  6. The only surprise for me is that it wasn’t done before now. I am surprised at what is still left published.

    This move is NOT curtailing ‘free speech’ at all. There are no laws against not allowing statements or films in a venue owned by a private company. Alphabet Inc IS a private company, not a government corporation.

    This is consistent with newspapers not allowing ALL ads or comments to be printed there.

    It is predictable and unstoppable!!

    1. PAT
      June 8, 2019 at 1:29 pm

      What about that bakery that got fined 139,000 dollars for refusing to decorate a “gay” wedding cake? That was a “private company”, too, so please don’t give us that one.

      1. Thanks Carlos!
        The fine itself was actually $135,000.
        That bakery case had nothing to do with curtailing free speech as I presented it.
        The defendants tried to use religious grounds in their refusal. A similar case in Colorado failed because it was not a religious argument.

        So, I shall continue to give that one concerning free speech…. queers’ wedding cakes notwithstanding. 🙂

      2. More idiotic arguments from the libertarians.

        What do you think would have happened if that bakery had had a little notice on the counter that said, “By entering our shop you agree to our terms of service,” etc. etc. etc..

        Then you have a whole load of undefined high-falutin’ abstract stuff the customer is not allowed to do, without saying why not.

        So, “no cake for you”, without even telling him which provision of your terms of service he violated, and no definitions?

        You think the courts would recognize that? Not on your nelly.

        Only if you’re a Jewish corporation worth 30 billion dollars.

  7. Gov DeSantis says anti-Semitism in Florida schools ‘verboten’ after bill signing in Israel

    Randy Fine, a Republican legislator from Melbourne Beach, got personal Wednesday when he sat down with Gov. Ron DeSantis at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem to sign a bill adding anti-Semitism to the categories of discrimination outlawed by Florida.

    https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2019/05/29/ron-desantis-israel-anti-semitism-florida-schools-verboten-after-bill-signing-jerusalem/1275660001/

    Governor Ron DeSantis of Florida recently signed a bill which added ‘anti-Semitism’ to the list of outlawed forms of discrimination in Florida, equating it with other forms of racial discrimination”

    https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2019/741/BillText/er/PDF

    Part of the bill:

    (7) A public K-20 educational institution must treat
    52 discrimination by students or employees or resulting from
    53 institutional policies motivated by anti-Semitic intent in an
    54 identical manner to discrimination motivated by race. For
    55 purposes of this section, the term “anti-Semitism” includes a
    56 certain perception of the Jewish people, which may be expressed
    57 as hatred toward Jewish people, rhetorical and physical
    58 manifestations of anti-Semitism directed toward a person, his or
    59 her property, or toward Jewish community institutions or
    60 religious facilities.
    61 (a) Examples of anti-Semitism include:
    62 1. Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or
    63 harming of Jews, often in the name of a radical ideology or an
    64 extremist view of religion.
    65 2. Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or
    66 stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of
    67 Jews as a collective, especially, but not exclusively, the myth
    68 about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the
    69 media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
    70 3. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real
    71 or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or
    72 group, the State of Israel, or even for acts committed by non Jews.

    1. This is nonsense. Just more kissing the jews’ asses. Florida is 2nd only to NY in jews in US! But it is the camel’s nose under the tent. This is the one that is dangerous and I think should be challenged:

      “Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, the State of Israel, or even for acts committed by non Jews.”

      That is suppression of the facts. It IS real nice timing, since today is the 52nd anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty.

  8. So freedom of association is not a “right” for us, but for Jews, it is. Is that it?
    Jews are not bound by the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the anti-trust laws, nothing, they can do whatever they want, but we can’t. Is that it?
    We have to associate with everyone, willy-nilly, but they don’t. Is that it? Is that the way it works?

  9. Learning how to speak truth without censorship presents a challenge, in itself. If it matters, at the time, we need speak with irrefutable facts to bolster our opinions – or just stay quiet until the lies directly harm us. Really, why should I stress myself over arguing about Jew myths, if those myths don’t really effect my immediate well-being?? My own method of social intercourse with the unavoidable fools is to ignore their ignorance (unless their promotion of the lies is in-your-face, and aggressive). While this site accommodates free speech and truth-seeking, I shall simply do as Lasha suggests, and keep my rifles ready, and my powder dry.
    It used to be, in the United States, that untruths were challenged from the pulpit. Most people attended Sunday meetings (“church”) in those days, but now the organized sects (churches) are feeling the pain of disenfranchisement from people who realize the pastors never anymore address many things that matter. They have become a waste of time.
    I do believe that too much censorship of Internet speech will result in the same reaction.

  10. Almost all of the social media companies are owned by jews as is the msm and the zio/US gov and so it is no surprise that now the crackdown is in operation and the destruction of America is ongoing, these zionist bastards control our money and thus our lives via their feral reserve and their irs.

    These bolshevik bastards destroyed Russia for some 70 years and now are destroying America, and just as a parasite destroys its host, so will they destroy America!

  11. Promoting war based on lies is hate speech. The mainstream media is not being restricted in promoting false flags and racist lies against Muslims to get their war on. The mainstream narrative of 911 is hate against Muslims since no Muslim was involved in 911 whatsoever.

    If you think about it, when a Jew opens his mouth only hate comes out. So are Jews going to be banned by Youtube? So are all the warmongering channels on Youtube going to be banned? What about all the preachers who promote the Bible and Israel based on the hateful warmongering verse of Yahweh?

  12. As it becomes more obvious by the day who’s driving the U.S. to ruin (and risking WW3) the Satanists must either back down or escalate, so they’re escalating. As the risky provocations against other countries escalate, the domestic crackdown must do likewise.

    My impression is that Mr. Trump and his handlers have identified China as the primary obstacle to their agenda of world domination and control. If China can be neutered, for example, it would then be easier to pick off the other countries which China supports.

    Mr. Trump’s relentless provocations against China seem to be determined to force China to hit back hard, economically, whereupon China will be blamed for the ensuing domestic economic hardship, and some kind of military provocation will follow.

  13. Three facts:
    1) All information on Jewish history is avalaible and will stay available, provided by Jews.
    2) If a Jew talk or write about Jewish power he is named a “filiopietist”, a romantically proud Jewish patriot.
    3) If a non-Jew says quotes any “filiopietist”, he must reckon being called an anti-semite.
    On the first point, check e.p. this Jewish website which really surprised me:
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/holocaust-denial/
    Or read this:
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/263200.Farewell_Espana
    Or this:
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1491453.The_Grandees?from_search=true
    On the third point just study the fate of Louis Farrakhan:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWlQykpa0qA
    It will be like that for at least another 1000 years.

  14. “…I think it has gotten to the point where even people who are not woke to the Jews are going to start seeing them for what they really are……………I think the jews are getting desperate and so they are trying to censor everything as fast as they can…….but in doing so it is only making people even more suspicious of them…………like what are the jews trying to hide…”

    Agreed. We can see that happening.

  15. We are in the End of Days. The children of Satan, as Jesus referred to them, are flexing their muscles.
    The Whites mesmerized by the Television, films, media in all its forms, are going to their graves. Little girls, little WHITE GIRLS, killing themselves at record levels. A child took an Uber car and then jumped off the bridge to her death recently, TWELVE YEARS OLD. Netflix has a fictional series portraying a 13 year old white girl killing herself and in flashbacks she explains why she did this. Zuckerberg’s INSTAGRAM has been, for at least a year that I am aware of, been a platform for inducing little white girls to commit suicide. It is at RECORD LEVELS.

    Sadly, Christians, WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER, seem to be totally DISOBEYING Jesus, for his warning and damnation of the Jews is as clear as a bell. They seem to read what he said and DO THE OPPOSITE.
    That is so very sad, and, indeed tragic.

    The Qur’an is just as clear yet there are “Muslims” who do the same, and why? MONEY POWER the usual goals of those who do not truly believe in God.
    They’ve sold their souls for 30 pieces of silver.

    The head of the ADL said what YouTube is doing is good but NOT ENOUGH. He said the ADL works with GOOGLE, YouTube, and Facebook to censor the goyim.

    And let us not forget what an administrator [LD] posted here the other day in an article:

    “Today the Jews rule the world by proxy.
    They get others to fight and die for them.”

    — Mahathir bin Mohamad, former Prime Minister of Malaysia

    Greater Israel is their sub-goal, that is all the land from the Euphrates to the Nile. After that THE WORLD!

    Think of the brainwashing going on for the last 75 years with the “Holocaust”.

    Professor Arthur Butz wrote a book in 1977, you can read it here for free, Amazon banned its sale:

    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/

    Deplatforming, sending white people to prison for hundreds of years, disarming the White people, all of this is happening now. Soon even the most media drenched “patriot” will get it.

    A man should be judged, not by the letter of his sacred book, but by what he actually does.

    The future is God’s, and nothing is lasting save His Will.

    God help the right and God help the wrong.

    Watching every injustice…

    1. TLOA, I second SAKI.
      No discrimination is found in God’s world, though the wrong will need all the help they can get.

    1. Harold,

      Few can be left in doubt any longer that Trump is a Zionist stooge.
      The only person who believed that Trump was secretly working for the destruction of the Jews by playing 4D chess — a former poster on this site whose name I forget — has scuttled off to pastures new.

      G’d bless this wretched brain-damaged individual.

      If there are still any supporters of this loony viewpoint left on the DM site, I would ask them to supply only ONE piece of evidence that Trump is a secret Jew hater who plans to destroy the Jews and Israel when the time is ripe.

      1. I couldn’t believe, when I first came across this crazy conspiracy theory on this site, that anyone could be so mentally deranged as to promote this view. A lot of loonytunes around, it seems.

  16. TJ thinks that Pat should get more exercise.
    After viewing the pics presented by Franklin Ryckaert, and read Saki; “Remember, this is what happened” to Winston Smith ” in Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four”. Wasn’t it the rats that Winston had the most fear of? Tj wonders if Orwell was slyly telling his readers in metaphor about the rats that want to construct their long held dream of world mastery on the ruins of the once upon a time American Republic and the once upon a time nations of Europe and all the rest.

  17. SAKI
    i guess we can be forgiven for pointing it out – HOLOCAUSTIANITY is CHRISTIANITY…
    1 Jesus (he’s big) = 6,000,000 Jews…
    it’s all about the VICTIMOLOGY…
    it’s been said – the old power structure will not survive the new media…
    so, now you see the old power structure making some adjustments to the new media, whereas it used to be free, it will now be censored…
    and, one has to expect this has been cooked into the books since the intel bloc put up the first few bucks in venture capital to kick off google, facebook, twitter, etc..
    of course there will be more and more holocaust preaching spread over the net as the real truth is censored…
    without the holohoax as it’s excuse israel is just another pirate state…
    if they’re successful, as fast as things move in e-space, it won’t take long until nobody no longer knows the difference….
    if you think these people have no gall, get a load of this… pretty soon you’ll have the 6-points with the keys to your house, checking out what’s in your refrigerator…
    https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/334958
    and while information questioning the holohoax will be censored, white-genocide promoters will be collecting their tenured salaries at major universities, preaching the extinction of the white race…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q90kmUbEv7c

      1. @ MADAME BUTTERFLY

        MY DEAR BUTTERFLY as I could not reply to you all the way up there I will have to down here. Quite interesting that I have to get low to respond to you, perhaps that says something?

        I cannot explain why Jews in Israel spit on Christians because I have never been there nor is this something that I would ever do or even think to do. Frankly if I saw one of my kids treating anyone any different than the way they expect to be treated I would bash there heads through a wall.

        The issue I have is this “all Jews” “all blacks” all Muslims” are alike and all bad. Sorry to tell you but as Donaldo says No one group has a monopoly on anything in this world. I do not blame the good Muslims for the acts of the radicals who whack someone’s frekin head off with a steak knife. And it’s tiring hearing how this never happened and that never happened which is a bunch of nonsensical crap. If there were proof of any of this nonsense everyone would know as we live in a world where you push a button and see what Kim Kardashian brushed her teeth with today.

        And enough with the Jews controlling all the money. I have said a dozen times on this site. The sovereign wealth funds in the world mostly ARAB countries have more money collectively than all the central banks put together. And yea yea yea the Rothschild’s, I know. Well what about the Italian family called Medici. Ever hear of them. The House of Medici, which established the largest bank in Europe in the 15th century. They were doing what the Rothschild’s did before Mayer Amshel Rothschild was born by 200 frekin years. Oh right the Medici’s are Jewish! Controlled at least by Jews right! Has to be because our banking system comes from them. Well idiots, wrong again because 4 Popes came from the Medici family and they were and are devout Catholics. So is there one person on this site that dare chalange this other than with nonsense.

        The problem my dear Butterball is that everyone here just makes shit up. Because hating Jews and blaming me for all your problems helps you live with yourselves. Try a nice bottle of good old Jack Daniels it will work better ☺

  18. There was a very informative website regarding Zionist designs and agendas called:
    theuglytruth.wordpress.com
    Suddenly a month or so ago it disappeared. WordPress is no longer carrying it. I guess it was sacrificed on the altar of censorship. I cannot find even its reference in Google. Anybody has idea where it can be found?
    I am afraid same fate for Darkmoon. If that happens Dr. L where can we find you? Give us some alternate address please.

  19. there was a really good one called JUDICIAL INC….
    THEY took that one down a while ago, probably several years now…
    it made the zion-plot connection on a lot of big disasters, like the plane crash that killed the polish government, the sinking of the estonian ferry boat… very interesting stuff about how a lot of jewish ww2 war heroes came out of the woodwork after 9-11 and were given medals by the bush administration, plus the big cash payment… all jews, who had supposedly done some great deed that had somehow been missed at the time.. typical insider lies and manipulation, jews working an inside angle… who was that blonde from texas, who was married to the old tycoon, inherited his money when he died, already had another son who was then murdered, then she died suddenly? the infant was worth all the money then, jew lawyers all over that episode…

  20. “…Then we have to consider hosting sites…”

    The best country to have an Internet site in is Malaysia.

    1. An internet site with a Malaysian extension will give you a written guarantee that they will never comply with any American law.

      Others (most of them) will give you a confidentiality guarantee, but they will still comply with American demands for information which do not even originate with the US government! They are the “standards” and “recommendations” of private corporations, some of them more or less one-man shows.

      The Jews have bluffed hundreds of millions of people into thinking that these are requirements of American law, but they are not.

      1. The Jews are adept at inventing all sorts of idealistic-sounding “standards” for everything, which are then promoted as if compliance were required by law.

        For example, I once translated a contract for a company in Luxembourg that had an “ecology” symbol, a logo, which they would put on your product if you paid them.

        In the fine print was an admission that they performed no tests, no inspections, no recycling, NOTHING, it was all show. The logo was not a guarantee of quality at all.

        But the public was supposed to think it was. It was like the “kosher food tax”.

      2. The worst of these private corporations is ICANN, based in Mountain view, Calif. Hundreds of millions of people believe their snooping is equivalent to demands by the US Federal Government.

        Another such outfit, a REAL one-man show, Is Spam Haus, theoretically based in Geneva. The guy that runs it hides out on the Spanish coast most of the year.

        They will block you, take away your domain name, put you out of business, without recourse or appeal. Once you get on that list, everybody will think you are guilty of sending spam. Spam Haus can do no wrong. They’re like God. Naturally, because the guy is a Jew.

        What gives the Jews their Satanic powers of persuasion? Hundreds of millions of people think ICANN is the US Federal government! And Spam Haus, too, most of the time.

  21. PAT
    June 9, 2019 at 11:47 am
    Thanks Carlos!
    The fine itself was actually $135,000. [WHEW! WHAT A LOAD OFF MY MIND!]
    That bakery case had nothing to do with curtailing free speech as I presented it. [HUH???]
    The defendants tried to use religious grounds in their refusal. [HUH???] A similar case in Colorado failed because it was not a religious argument. [HUH???]

    No comprendo.
    So why didn’t the plaintiffs just start their own bakery?
    Or buy a cake ready made and decorate it themselves?
    I have 2 other questions.

    1. Carlos –

      Thanks for the reply.

      You wrote:
      “The fine itself was actually $135,000. [WHEW! WHAT A LOAD OFF MY MIND!]”

      That’s really funny! 🙂 Just yesterday you commented here on having to be precise when writing!! 🙂

      My original claim was:
      “There are no laws against not allowing statements or films in a venue owned by a private company. Alphabet Inc IS a private company, not a government corporation.”

      To clear it up…. That means a private company CAN delete anything without infringing on ‘freedom of speech’ of the person commenting.

      Your claim was based on religious beliefs. Mine was not.

      However…. on Jun 4, 2018 … The US Supreme Court ruled in favor of a baker in Colorado who refused to make a wedding cake for a queer couple. See:
      Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

  22. @Hoshu Luqman June 9, 2019 at 8:43 am
    Mark Glenn has been a tireless defender of righteousness. He is a Christian and has done as a true Christian would do and defended the Ummah from the lies of the enemy of humanity. Just yesterday another website Diversity Macht Frei was banned by WordPress which used to be less censoring than others.
    A retired Christian policeman had his WP site deplatformed in May. The group that both Jesus and the Prophet (saw) warned us of are going all the way, the final step is GENOCIDE.

    “The media runs the world. Absolutely. No tanks or planes. The media and the public companies. This is what The Protocols of [the Learned Elders of] Zion [is all about].

    “The Zionists, last century, were persecuted in Europe. So they immigrated to the United States. They had a target. They were united. And they did not permit [statements] critical of Zion. They went all the way to control the world and to control the minds of the people through the media. There’s a lesson to learn from them.

    “They have control of the media here. We know it. They did not do it through tanks or machine guns. They planned of course. They united. Did you see Pat Buchanan’s book [The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization]? He makes sense.”

    Moustapha Akkad, who produced John Carpenter’s “Halloween” movies
    Mr Akkad and his daughter were blown up in a hotel in Jordan soon after. I will let you guess who did the bombing…

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6421233/Jewish-leaders-call-religious-texts-carry-warnings-highlighting-anti-Semitic-passages.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

    “Jewish leaders are calling for new editions of the Bible and Koran to carry warning messages which highlight anti-Semitic passages in the holy texts.

    The recommendations have been made in a new document called ‘An End to Antisemitism! A Catalogue of Policies to Combat Antisemitism’.

    It was produced following an international conference organised by the European Jewish Congress, at which academics gathered to discuss how prejudice and discrimination can be tackled.

    Among the policies mentioned in the document was the idea of warning messages in holy texts, a topic discussed in a chapter entitled ‘recommendations regarding Religious Groups and Institutions’.

    The document reads: ‘Translations of the New Testament, the Qur’an and other Christian or Muslim literatures need marginal glosses, and introductions that emphasize continuity with Jewish heritage of both Christianity and Islam and warn readers about antisemitic passages in them.

    ‘While some efforts have been made in this direction in the case of Christianity, these efforts need to be extended and made consistent in both religions.’

    There are several themes in the New Testament that have come under fire for their use as justification for anti-Semitic attitudes.

    These include the blame of Jews for the death of Jesus and the seemingly stubborn nature of the Jewish people and their disloyalty to God. …”

    Their power is tremendous.

    The FIRST and most important step toward a cleansing of the mind is to limit or eliminate exposure to television,

    Jihad means “striving in the way of God” (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)
    That means following the commandments … a spiritual struggle.
    If people would no longer surrender their minds to the enemy of humanity’s weapons against us, TV, Films, LOVE of $$$, shiny baubles, and all the rest of the “consumer society” which Freud’s nephew Edward Bernays created THEN they would serve GOD not their puerile desires.
    Women would be as they once were, children would be healthy in body and mind.

    The crisis in faith has enabled the killers of the Tsar and his family, the murderers of the Palestinians to do as they please.

    Faith is the source of my power. Imam Ali

      1. Pat ‒

        Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We’d never heard of this innovation before. It came to us as a great shock. I asked LD what she thought of it. She was against it root and branch and dismissed Pope Francis as a “sanctimonious simpleton.”

        The fact is, this Pope is a law unto himself. The worst Pope since Vatican II. The Catholic Church has now been infiltrated by Jews and can no longer be described as bearing any resemblance to the Early Church of core Christianity. The Pope has changed the wording of the “Our Father” to make it more acceptable to simpletons like himself.

        The original words of Christ, both in Greek and Latin do not say: “Let us not fall into temptation” or “Let us not be led into temptation”. More controversially, they say: “LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION.” And this is what all Christians have said for two thousand years. This is how St Jerome, a wise and learned man, translated the original Greek into the Vulgate Latin: “NE INDUCAS NOS IN TENTATIONEM (= “Lead us not into temptation”).

        It is a paradox and a puzzle that Christ should have put it like this, indicating that God should allow us to be tempted or “tested”, as he allowed Christ himself to be tempted or tested for 40 days in the wilderness.The original meaning of “temptation” (TENTATIO) has nothing to do with “sexual temptation” as such, but simply means “testing” or “stretching” or “ordeal to be endured”. God puts us to a “test”, subjects us to an “ordeal”, or “stretches” us. That is the basic idea. For the Pope to change the meaning to suit himself and the silly simpletons who surround him is unforgivable.

        However, please note. This ill-begotten change introduced by the Pope applies only to Italy, as the Guardian article makes clear. It will apply only to Italian churches. It will not be universally adopted. No other Christian (in any other country) is under obligation to accept this stupid change.

      2. Sis –

        Glad to help.

        I posted that to let all who read it know that many will take it very seriously, sadly adhering to any & all of the claims from the Vatican.

        I was raised Lutheran, so I ate meat on Fridays before the Vatican approved it.

        I have found very few Christians obey the words of Christ, and pray all the time in public and in groups and over food anyway, against the instruction given in Matthew 6:6.

      3. Thanks, Pat. I am in full agreement with what you say.
        “The last Christian died on the cross,” Nietzsche said.
        A comment I’m sure you would approve of! 🙂

      4. Sister
        We are tested, yes. But what we are tested BY is not imposed upon us by the “Divine”. Nor does the Divine subject us to ordeals. This is not the power that subjugates

        For the umpteenth time – these are rationalizations for what IS and not of the Divine Intention for man(ifestation)

      5. The Lord’s prayer, no matter how it’s worded does NOT reflect Divinity. Little do the vast majority of people understand the true identity of this “Lord”, or “father”. Little do they know of what this “heaven” is in this context, or whose “kingdom” is being referred to here, or whose WILL is being done.

        This is an impostor that is only POSING as Divinity.

      6. @ Brownhawk

        One question. No need for a long answer. Just ONE word will do and will give us an insight into the depth of your understanding of the Lord’s Prayer.

        QUESTION:

        Do you APPROVE or DISAPPROVE of Pope Francis’s emendation or “correction” of the Lord’s Prayer from the traditional sentence “LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION” into “LET US NOT FALL INTO TEMPTATION“?

        Say either YES (= I approve of the change) or NO (= I disapprove of the change). No need to give us a tedious explanation of WHY you approve or disapprove. Just YES or NO. 🙂

        This is a very simple question, so I will be disappointed if you fail to understand the question or avoid giving a straight, unambiguous answer.

        @ Hp
        @ Pat
        @ Gilbert Huntly

        Can I ask you three very intelligent commenters the identical question? Do you approve or disapprove of the BIG CHANGE made by the current Pope to the “Our Father” prayer?

      7. Saki –

        No. It is, basically, the same thing, EXCEPT THE POPE SHOULD LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE. It seems this pope is incrementally changing things – like the proverbial frog in an increasingly heating pot of water!

      8. Beautifully put, Gilbert! I love your image of the proverbial frog in a pot of boiling water. This Pope isn’t fit to be a cook in a greasy spoon restaurant let alone the successor of St Peter.

      9. Saki

        Prepare to be disappointed. How can I oblige your need for a one-word answer when I consider this prayer to be directed at something that’s FAR from being holy?

        The “lord” in this context is the very impostor worshipped by those Jesus CASTIGATES, and whom the Vatican PERPETUATES, unwitting or otherwise in regards to individual priests.

        It is CRUCIAL for people of religious persuasions to understand how this prayer and others like it lend credibility to the very overseer of Evil it claims to be OPPOSING!

        It’s all part if an ages-long con job, my friend, and this is the greatest con of them all! 😎

      10. Thanks for your honest answer, Brownhawk. I am disappointed that you should think like this, but I won’t attempt to change your mind.

  23. They will allow this on youtube to increase control:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjwmBdM3lB0

    Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors
    Abstract
    Physiological effects have been observed in a human subject in response to stimulation of the skin with weak electromagnetic fields that are pulsed with certain frequencies near ½ Hz or 2.4 Hz, such as to excite a sensory resonance. Many computer monitors and TV tubes, when displaying pulsed images, emit pulsed electromagnetic fields of sufficient amplitudes to cause such excitation. It is therefore possible to manipulate the nervous system of a subject by pulsing images displayed on a nearby computer monitor or TV set. For the latter, the image pulsing may be imbedded in the program material, or it may be overlaid by modulating a video stream, either as an RF signal or as a video signal. The image displayed on a computer monitor may be pulsed effectively by a simple computer program. For certain monitors, pulsed electromagnetic fields capable of exciting sensory resonances in nearby subjects may be generated even as the displayed images are pulsed with subliminal intensity.
    https://patents.google.com/patent/US6506148B2/en

  24. PAT
    June 9, 2019 at 11:47 am

    “…We are told that homosexuals and lesbians are “born that way” and “just can’t help it”, and, simultaneously, that we must allow them to turn the public school system, Boy and Girl Scouts, children’s television, etc. etc. into vehicles of “gay” propaganda, filling 5-year-olds with guilt and shame for whatever heterosexual tendencies they may be fortunate enough to possess, arresting third-graders for kissing girls on the playground, etc. etc., ad infinitum et ad nauseam, thus breeding a nation of bull dykes and faggots: the world’s first homosexual totalitarian dictatorship.

    “Of course, if the first part of the proposition is correct, then there is no need for any indoctrination and propaganda….

    “This process is now reaching its apogee in the United States. …Homosexuality is now taught by law as “normal” in public schools (California), while heterosexuality is progressively criminalized as “Sexual Harassment”. In New Mexico, a 13-year-old boy was recently booked for “Sexual Assault” – a criminal felony – for slapping a girl of the same age on the buttocks!

    “He could perform sodomy in the same school, probably even in public, and it would be a “Hate Crime” to criticize him! Interracial rape is no longer punished; black rapists are not even suspended from the basketball team!

    “If homosexuals offend you, you are a “Hate Criminal”. If you offend them, you are a “Hate Criminal” again! It can’t work any other way! That’s the way the liberals want it. Liberals are universal destroyers, like Ghenghis Khan….”

    1. Carlos –

      My family & even some friends shun me for saying almost exactly what you wrote at:

      CARLOS W. PORTER
      June 9, 2019 at 6:15 pm

      I still say “queers & homosexuals”…. and the word ‘gay’ still means happy to me. 🙂

      1. Pat,
        The liberal/commie world improvers have taken the phrase “there were young and Gay” to a whole new level.

  25. Welcome to Slippery Slope Inc., USA.
    It’s like a laboratory experiment.
    Give a “minority” an inch, and it will take 10 miles.
    As Bismarck once said, these problems will only be solved by blood and iron.

    1. “…Give a “minority” an inch, and it will take 10 miles…”

      I’m beginning to think the Chinese are right: we shouldn’t even recognize the existence of so-called “minorities”.
      You can be Chinese, or you can get out of China.

      If you want to talk and act like everybody else and keep out of trouble, we might tolerate you, otherwise, you’re headed for a concentration camp (“re-education center”, excuse me) in the mountains or desert someplace. Either that or you can get out of the country.

      Why should a “democracy” live in constant fear of its “minorities”? Why should any other system?

  26. YouTube (owned by Jews Brin and Page) and other Jews appear to be defending conspiracy theories like the holocaust and Russiagate. I think I heard this interesting fact on Tucker Carlson Tonight, that YouTube and other outlets like Twitter were given the guarantee they could not be sued for libel if they did not censor any content. This is because if they don’t censor then they are not a media outlet which chooses what stories it will publish and gives it’s opinion on stories, being critical of some and not critical of others. If YouTube and others don’t censor content, they are not giving an opinion on things. These are the laws these sites operate on, but now the US gov’t is contravening it’s own laws and regulations regarding YouTube, Twitter, etc,, apparently under Jewish pressure.

    It seems typical of Jews views on laws and regulations. They are only good if they are good for the Jews and bad for others, which is the case for almost everything Jewish lobby groups advocate for. Under these conditions Jews will be able to continue pushing their lies (as in the media) while others will be jailed and YouTube and others will be protected from libel suits and at the same time the lie that the internet is democratic and does not censor ideas will be upheld, just as the idea that Germany and other European countries that have criminalized certain views of history (views that contravene Jewish sanctioned views) are democracies.

  27. YouTube is not alone!

    Other commercial entities are flexing their left-wing muscles:

    Disney and NBC Universal, the parent companies of ABC and NBC, have threatened to boycott Georgia if the state’s new law restricting abortion goes into effect. These incredibly powerful firms have concluded that the pro-life position is beyond the bounds of acceptable debate.

    Pro-death of the most innocent humans in the word – the unborn…. Twitter has consistently rejected pro-life advertisements as inappropriate, according to pro-life groups, while accepting ads from the abortion lobby without thinking twice.

    Kamala Harris(black-Asian mix), the former prosecutor who is positioning herself as the most punitive Democrat in the presidential field, has declared that in a Harris administration, pro-life legislation would be treated like Jim Crow. Throw into this the Daily Beast, a left-leaning website, unearthing the identity and past misdeeds of some random working-class Trump supporter because he was, in some way, involved in a doctored video that made Nancy Pelosi look bad. The investigative reporter got the meat of his story by asking Facebook for private user data.

    Facebook, which knows a whole lot about you, will now share your info with reporters who want to whack you for having bad politics, no matter how insignificant you are.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/does-an-illiberal-left-call-for-an-illiberal-right

  28. Saki –
    “Do you APPROVE or DISAPPROVE of Pope Francis’s emendation or “correction” of the Lord’s Prayer from the traditional sentence “LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION” into “LET US NOT FALL INTO TEMPTATION“?”

    APPROVE.

      1. Prabhupada: Yes. “Hallowed be Thy name.” Yes. This is a chance for others to think, “Hallowed be Thy name.” The name is glorified. “So where the name is glorified? Find out.”

        Nitai: That’s in what they call the Lord’s Prayer, which was given by Christ himself. All the Catholics say that daily.

        Prabhupada: What is that prayer?

        Pusta-krishna: One devotee, he asked to Christ, “How should I pray?”
        He said, “Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for Thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever.”

        Prabhupada: Very nice prayer.

        God has Name

      2. I second that.

        Brownhawk is a boor. A man without finesse, sensitivity and good manners. He thinks freedom of speech means giving free rein to his tongue and telling people how horrible their religion is. He fails to understand, with his thuggish and caveman mentality, that the superior man always puts a curb on his tongue. The superior man does NOT give his tongue free rein. The superior man knows how to HOLD his tongue.

      3. When Jesus SPOKE OUT against the temple priests and threw them out on their ears was this not the action of a superior man? Or should he have kept his mouth shut and bitten his tongue?

        He RIGHTLY considered them to be TRESPASSING on sacred ground designated for worship only. He didn’t forgive them for being there for other purposes. He kicked them out for VIOLATING this designation!

        To trespass is to violate another’s freedom – their most precious possession. To FORGIVE being trespassed against is to CONDONE being violated against

        Apparently when it comes to observations of Christianity, critical thinking need not apply.

      4. @ Brownhawk

        BH: When Jesus SPOKE OUT against the temple priests and threw them out on their ears was this not the action of a superior man? Or should he have kept his mouth shut and bitten his tongue?

        MB: I AGREE with the above comment. LD agrees with it. Admin agrees with it. None of us are questioning Jesus’s superiority. No one here is saying that Jesus should have kept his mouth shut and bitten his tongue. Everything Jesus said and did meets with our full approval. So what exactly is your problem, Brownhawk?

        BH: He RIGHTLY considered them to be TRESPASSING on sacred ground designated for worship only. He didn’t forgive them for being there for other purposes. He kicked them out for VIOLATING this designation!

        MB: Sure! And who is DISAGREENG with this, Brownhawk? Who is contradicting you? Your comment is not being censored by Admin for the simple reason that this is a pro-Christian site and they agree with everything you have said so far about Jesus Christ. Don’t you, Admin? . . . So what exactly is your problem, Brownhawk?

        ADMIN: We are in full agreement with everything Brownhawk has said so far. (In the comment above, I mean.) So we have no idea why he is getting so angry. He appears to think we are somehow taking a contrary line. Our bottom line has always been the same: we love Jesus and hold him in highest reverence. If Brownhawk feels the same way about Jesus, why are we arguing?

        BH: To trespass is to violate another’s freedom – their most precious possession. To FORGIVE being trespassed against is to CONDONE being violated against. Apparently when it comes to observations of Christianity, critical thinking need not apply.

        I will answer this point in the next comment.

      5. Ah, I see now why you getting so angry! You wish to rewrite the Lord’s Prayer! You believe, quite falsely, that the Lord’s Prayer is a fake prayer and that the real Jesus Christ would never have said “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us.”

        You think Christ Christ should have been more implacable and unforgiving, like a Red Indian brave. No quarter given to enemies! So it follows from this, according to you, that the whole Sermon on the Mount is nonsense. For the real, testosterone-flushed Red Indian Christ you adore in your imagination could never have said, “And he that smites thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Nor would the Brownhawk Christ have ever said: “Love your enemies, and do good to them that despitefully use you and persecute you.”

        It also follows from what you say that Christ’s famous last words as he was being crucified — “FATHER, FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO” — could not have been said by the REAL Christ you believe existed and who chased the moneylenders out of the temple with a whip of knotted cords.

        I can well understand, Brownhawk, why your comment was deleted by Admin as “HIGHLY OFFENSIVE”. I would have deleted it also. Who are YOU to to REWRITE the Lord’s Prayer and regard it as invented by evil Jews? You question the very basis of Christianity by saying in effect that the entire Sermon on the Mount is a load of poppycock and that Christ’s last words were never said by himself but put into his mouth by Evil Jews inventing the New Testament.

        So. It seems you are calling the entire New Testament a crock of s**t. Is it any wonder Admin should take umbrage? If they agreed with you, they would in fact be ANTI-CHRISTIAN! For anyone who calls the basic Scripture of Christianity Jew-invented rubbish, as you are, is dissing Christianity.

        In exactly the same way, anyone who says the Qur’an is rubbish and that Mohammad would never have written what he actually wrote, would be regarded as anti-Islamic. As a hater of Islam. And anyone who trashed and dissed the Bhagavad-Gita would be regarded as a hater of the basic creed of millions of good Hindus.

        You are revealed for what you are, Brownhawk: a USEFUL IDIOT for the Jews. A Christ hater! How DARE you cast doubts on the core teachings of Christianity, especially the Lord’s Prayer and the Sermon on the Mount, and somehow pretend to be sympathetic to “real” Christianity!

        Imbecile. Admin has the right to delete lamebrain comments by louts like you. You deserve a good kick in the pants for thinking you have the right to bully the Administrators of this website into publishing your hateful and stupid Christ-bashing comments.

      6. @ Brownhawk

        All Madame Butterfly says here meets with our full approval. Your other three comments have been forwarded to our Spam folder where they rightly belong. If you wish to leave this website,
        feel free. We will not mourn your loss. If you decide to remain, you will henceforth be on permanent monitoring. This website does not take kindly to insolent bullies who question our right
        to delete their comments and keep order and discipline.

    1. @ Pat

      Thank you . . . but I thought you were against the Pope? Didn’t you write a comment recently saying the Papacy had been infiltrated by Jews and the Pope was just a puppet of Big Jewry? So it’s not clear to me how you can approve of the “reforms” introduced by a man you suspect of being a shill for the Jews? Can you explain?

      1. Saki –

        Gladly….

        Every reply is made within context. I obeyed your rules, even though more words were needed. That’s ok here.

        I approve in the context that the Vatican has the authority to do as it wishes in telling Catholics what to eat or what to read, or what to feel guilty about and when they commit sins.

        The prayer text change falls within Vatican purview. I am not an adviser there.

        Had you asked if I would change it, I would have written NO – leave it alone.

        This is similar to my disagreeing with what you write, but I would defend your right to do so. That is a libertarian view. 🙂

      2. Thanks, Saki!

        There are numerous arrogant bible translators out there. Some add “EVIL ONE” also”:

        King James Bible (original)
        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

        ……………………………………………….

        “YOURS” v thine:
        King James 2000 Bible
        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For YOURS is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

        American King James Version
        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For YOURS is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

        <<<<<>>>>>

        New International Version
        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

        New Living Translation
        And don’t let us yield to temptation, but rescue us from the evil one.

        Berean Study Bible
        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

        New American Standard Bible
        And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

        Christian Standard Bible
        And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

        Contemporary English Version
        Keep us from being tempted and protect us from evil.

        Good News Translation
        Do not bring us to hard testing, but keep us safe from the Evil One.’

        Holman Christian Standard Bible
        And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

        International Standard Version
        And never bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

        NET Bible
        And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

        New Heart English Bible
        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

        Aramaic Bible in Plain English
        And lead us not to temptation but deliver us from evil, for yours is the Kingdom and the power and the glory, for the eternity of eternities.’

        GOD’S WORD® Translation
        Don’t allow us to be tempted. Instead, rescue us from the evil one.

        New American Standard 1977
        ‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

        Jubilee Bible 2000
        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

        American Standard Version
        And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

        Douay-Rheims Bible
        And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen.

        Darby Bible Translation
        and lead us not into temptation, but save us from evil.

        English Revised Version
        And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

        Webster’s Bible Translation
        And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

        Weymouth New Testament
        and bring us not into temptation, but rescue us from the Evil one.’

        World English Bible
        Bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For yours is the Kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.’

        Young’s Literal Translation
        ‘And mayest Thou not lead us to temptation, but deliver us from the evil, because Thine is the reign, and the power, and the glory — to the ages. Amen.

      3. Thanks, Pat. You make some very good points here. Just two points of my own:

        (1) The Lord’s Prayer ends with these words in the official Catholic Vulgate Latin translation of the Lord’s Prayer:

        NE INDUCAS NOS IN TENTATIONEM ET LIBERA NOS A MALO. = “Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil.”

        This is a 100% accurate translation by St Jerome of the ORIGINAL GREEK. The accepted version for all European countries for centuries. The addition “For yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory” is NOT found in the original and is an UNNECESSARY ADDITION by the Protestant Church.

        (2) As for the statement “LIBERA NOS A MALO”, this means “Deliver us from evil.” That is the safest translation, because “malus” in Latin means “evil”. However, if you change the small-case letter “m” into a capital letter, M, you then get MALUS (= an evil person, the Evil One). So this creates confusion. Because no one know if “Evil” or “Evil One” is intended — it could be either, depending on the interpreter and his/her preference.

        You must understand that the early scribes not only failed to distinguish between small letters and capital letters, with ALL letters being written small, but the scripts were completely UNPUNCTUATED. In original scripts there were no full stops, commas, semi-colons, colons, dashes or dots! Sometimes there was not even a space between words. And you would get a sentence that read:

        neinducasnosintentatiosedliberanosamalo =
        leadusnotintotemptationbutdeliversfromevil

        Reading was really tough in those days, I assure you! Our ancestors were VERY SLOW READERS! And not even ONE in a THOUSAND people could read. There were NO BOOKS anyway — not until the printing press was invented in the 15th century. Just manuscripts. And ink was splashed on the page with sharpened feathers!

        We’ve come a long way since then!

  29. Disapprove. Who the hell is the stupid Pope to rewrite the Lord’s Prayer? These people have no end of nerve.

    1. @ Carlos Porter

      Good! I agree with you. The simple-minded arrogance of this Pope almost beggars belief. For 2000 years the Lord’s Prayer has remained unchanged, faithfully translated from the original Greek and the canonical Vulgate Latin of St Jerome: NE INDUCAS NOS IN TENTATIONEM = LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION. Then this dunder-headed clown of a Pope comes along and says to Jesus Christ:

      “Sorry, I’m going to change your words and revise them. You spoke too hastily! You didn’t really mean what you said, did you? Anyway, who’s going to stop me rewriting the New Statement to suit myself? There are lots of things Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount that need toning down, paraphrasing, censoring, and in fact given the very opposite meaning — and I mean to do just that, with a little help from my rabbinic advisors!”

      @ Sister Monica

      Please let me know if you and LD approve of my comment dismissing the Pope as a moronic meddler.

      1. Yes, of course we approve. We feel as strongly as you do that the Pope has made a fool of himself by thinking he can rewrite the New Testament to suit himself. He needs to be sacked at once for his insolent presumption.

      2. This is exactly what Brownhawk has done, thinking he can rewrite the Lord’s Prayer and the Sermon on the Mount and in fact the whole New Testament to suit himself! And this arrogant SOB then has the cheek to get shirty with Admin and throw a hissy fit for deleting his stupid comment .

      3. I question much of the WORDING which claims to properly reflect what Jesus said. And you people don’t have a problem with that? Instead you accept so much of what should appear to a thoughtful reader to reflect a milquetoast Jesus?

        A weak and ineffectual man wouldn’t utter words that constitute a “force of action” as would be conveyed IF the Gospels had done so in every instance of their reading. This simply isn’t the case

  30. Srila Prabhupada: I have read one book, Lord Jesus Christ, when he was a young boy he was very much shocked when he saw that animal-killing is going on in the synagogue. Therefore he differentiated from the Jews and he started his own religion, Christian religion. Is it not a fact? Am I right? Why… He was also a Jew. Why he deviated? Why he deviated from the Jews?

    “They have done this by focusing on the moneychangers, although they were only minor players in the drama that took place. It was the cult of sacrifice that Jesus tried to dismantle, not the system of monetary exchange. In all three gospel accounts of the event, those who provided the animals for sacrifice are mentioned first: they were the primary focus of Christ’s outrage.”

    Christ’s Assault on Blood Sacrifice

    1. Yes. Outrage that he SPOKE OUT against in the temple where those RECEIVING his wrath were TRESPASSING with their vulgar sacrifices

      A SUPERIOR man would do no less. He wouldn’t condone these actions by forgiving them and saying nothing!

      I’m not suiting myself, only speaking the truth

      1. Oh, shut up! — you quarrelsome, nitpicking, pseudo-intellectual bore! Don’t you know when to STFU? Admin must have the patience of a saint to put up with driveling idiots like you. You don’t have a clue even how to behave with good manners, deliberately insulting Admin and then expecting Admin to publish your crap. God help your wife or any woman who happens to hook up with you.

      2. Madame B

        I would be hard-pressed to meet a more caustic, rude, foul-mouthed, sanctimonious and pious twit than you.

        To quote the loquacious Winston Churchill when told by Lady Ascot if he were married to her she would poison his drink, he responded, “and if I were your husband, madam, I’d DRINK it!”

      3. Not a bad comment coming from you. At least, unlike most of your other incomprehensible rants, it is brief and contains a witty quote. It also has the merit of not insulting Amin and telling Admin: “You better publish all my crap or I’ll have another tantrum.”

        Superior souls don’t have hissy fits. YOU DO! Ergo, you are NOT a superior soul as you like to make out. You are Mass Man. Greasy Spoon Restaurant Man. A Red Injun in a constant rage, nursing his wounded ego. And that’s the truth, Brownhawk. Take it or leave it.

      4. Glad to see you have achieved flawless perfection, Madame, despite your heavy drinking. 🙂

      5. You wouldn’t know the truth if it were a 2×4 slammed upside your head with your sad presumption of knowing it

        A superior speaks the truth as he sees it and isn’t chastised for doing so by small-minded people like yourself

    2. HP –
      From the article:
      “And in biblical times, most people were illiterate and dependant on what their religious leaders taught them concerning the scriptures.”

      ……..

      Why the outrage if they followed what god instructed in the old testament?

      Barbecue was a good thing to cleanse the meat.

      Jesus could have been on pain relieving drugs and hallucinating when he spoke.

      These are serious considerations. Not sarcasm.

      1. Pat, some things are bigger than Barbecue and drugs. Just like, believe it or not, some things are bigger than us wee folk.
        This is why Jesus appeared to his people in their place and their time and circumstance of borderline human behavior. God sends His representative from mercy and love, to show them the right way. Time, place, circumstance.

        Jesus knew the Priests knew the truth of who he is. They knew right from wrong yet they had already killed several prophets, the Baptist, etc., to prevent, kill the changes (knowledge/truth) which were long overdue and were now directly before them in the form of Jesus. So they killed him too and continued on with their demonic activities using Jesus as a sacrificial lamb and scapegoat. They still do.

        Yet this is no way defeats the individual’s choice to follow (surrender) Jesus faithfully and reap the benefits of being human and able to reap them. Animals can’t understand God and act accordingly for their own benefit. People can and should but our own desires (Maya) to enjoy apart from Jesus/God compels a treadmill existence.
        ————————————————————-
        Srila Prabhupada:
        “Jesus Christ taught, “Thou shalt not kill.” But his followers have now decided, “Let us kill anyway,” and they open big, modern, scientific slaughterhouses. “If there is any sin, Christ will suffer for us.” This is a most abominable conclusion.”

        “Christ can take the sufferings for the previous sins of his devotees. But first they have to be sane: “Why should I put Jesus Christ into suffering for my sins? Let me stop my sinful activities.”

        “Suppose a man–the favorite son of his father–commits a murder. And suppose he thinks, “If there is any punishment coming, my father can suffer for me.” Will the law allow it? When the murderer is arrested and says, “No, no. You can release me and arrest my father; I am his pet son,” will the police officials comply with that fool’s request? He committed the murder, but he thinks his father should suffer the punishment! Is that a sane proposal? “No. You have committed the murder; you must be hanged.” Similarly, when you commit sinful activities, you must suffer–not Jesus Christ. This is God’s law.”

        “Of course, the message that Christ preached was just according to his particular time, place, and country, and just suited for a particular group of people. But certainly he is the representative of God. Therefore we adore Lord Jesus Christ and offer our obeisances to him.”

        Christ said, “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now”

      2. HP –

        “Pat, some things are bigger than Barbecue and drugs.”

        Really???? 🙂

        That is no answer at all for me, my friend.

        Also:
        “God sends His representative from mercy and love, to show them the right way. Time, place, circumstance.”

        I’m not so sure about that.

        I believe that all people represent & resemble the their forefathers, thru genetics. I cannot tell which ones god sent. God may have even sent the pope to change the NT writings. 🙂

        Thanks for the help.

      3. The following presents a reasonable argument to support my position, and given that this website strongly values reasonable presentations, I think it would be a disservice if this post were to be relegated to the vast hinterlands of spamblinka, although I would certainly welcome the company of TROJ in darkmoon’s gulags!

        To entreaty another (“God” in this context) to forgive our trespasses falls on deaf ears. We can only forgive ourselves by having our conscience engaged to NOT trespass. There is no external authority figure that can legitimately authorize this.

        Jesus was kind to those DESERVING of kindness, not every Tom, Dick, and Harry that imposes themselves by trespassing on others. To them, he severely rebuked for DISREGARDING their conscience that would PREVENT them from engaging in acts of transgression. And to entreaty a non-existent figure of external authority to forgive OTHERS’ acts of transgression is the height of absurdity!

        We vastly underestimate the negative impact these wordings have had. Ones that CANNOT be attributed to Jesus, but as he knew they would be. He perfectly understood the critical need for personal accountability and sovereignty. The Lord’s Prayer reflects neither with these “trespass” references. Its wording belies his teaching, on this matter ESPECIALLY. You don’t think that this has alot to do with why people are coming to their senses and leaving the churches in droves? Think again!

        Given all I’ve said, instead of chastising me for daring to question the veracity of written words that are of dubious origin, put yourselves in a Palestinian’s shoes and ask THEM if they think forgiving their trespassers is a swell idea! Is it any wonder people writing on these threads and elsewhere are down on Christianity, when these are the kinds of wordings they have to go by? Do you think that the way things are worded is no big deal? Think again! Don’t shoot the messenger – THIS is what’s offensive, and where our righteous indignation should lie. Had this been collectively understood 2,000 years ago, the religion of Christianity would never have come to BE, and a sustainable state of protection would have become a reality. This isn’t to say that as things presently stand Christianity doesn’t represent a “spiritual bulwark” to some degree, as evidenced by the attacks against it, but because the teachings of Jesus weren’t completely learned, the bulwark has been critically weakened.

        We should never assume the alleged sanctity of words used in arenas as important as this, nor be mistaken about the “opiated masses” constituting a useful idiocy that absolves responsibility for maintaining a state of inviolability, and instead delivers it to the deceptive aegis of an unaccountable authority.

        SIC SEMPER TYRANIS!

  31. Pat, I reckon it’s akin to a bottle of honey (or barbeque sauce) conundrum. I can almost taste it..
    Deja vu, all over again and again and again. (;>)

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