Dresden Inferno: New eyewitness account of one of the greatest war crimes of the 20th century

Bt Victor Gregg and Rick Stroud.
A slightly abridged version of an article
published in the Daily Mail (12 February 2020)

Into the inferno: Families boiled alive as they hid in water tanks and fleeing survivors trapped in molten tarmac… 75 years on, the most horrifically vivid account you’ll ever read of the Allied bombing of Dresden – by a British PoW who saw it all

MASS  MIRDER  IN  DRESDEN, February 1945.
100,000 GERMAN CIVILIANS  BURNED  OR  BOILED  ALIVE


During the final months of World War II, from February 13 to 15, 1945, Allied forces bombed the ancient, cathedral city of Dresden, in eastern Germany. 

The bombing was controversial because Dresden’s contribution to the war effort was minimal compared with other German cities — though it was a key transport junction and used by German forces to defend the country against Soviet forces approaching from the east.

Before the huge air raid, it had not suffered a major Allied attack. By February 15, however, it was a smouldering ruin — 2,400 tons of high explosives and 1,500 tons of incendiary bombs were dropped on the city. An unknown number of civilians, somewhere between 35,000 and 135,000, were dead.

British rifleman Victor Gregg was one of hundreds of men being held as a PoW in the city by the Germans. On the 75th anniversary of the start of the bombing, this is his eyewitness account of the devastation he left behind.

Amid the ruins

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Huddled in a crowded German prison, my mate Harry and I watched day turn into night through the glass cupola above us. It was February 13, 1945.

We were both condemned men, awaiting our turn for execution. But Harry didn’t seem to care.

‘Something will turn up,’ he said. And it did.

At about 10.30pm, the air-raid sirens in Dresden — one of Germany’s most beautiful cities — began their mournful wailing. None of our guards seemed to take any notice. The inhabitants thought that as long as the Luftwaffe kept away from Oxford in England, their own city would never be bombed.

Suddenly, the sirens stopped. Then flares filled the night sky with blinding light, dripping burning phosphorus onto the streets and buildings. It was then that we realised we were trapped in a locked cage that stood every chance of becoming a mass grave.

The heavy pulsating throb of hundreds of heavy RAF bombers began to fill the air, getting louder by the second. Petrified prisoners wailed and banged on the doors, but our guards had by now all hot-footed it to shelters.

—   §   —

After serving for six years as a rifleman, I’d volunteered for the Parachute Regiment in 1944 — chiefly because they promised us extra leave.

I’d experienced so much fighting by then that I thought of myself as indestructible. So I had no presentiments of death when I was hurled from a plane that September, along with a few thousand other men.

We’d been chosen to fight the battle of Arnhem in the Netherlands, which ended in a major defeat for our side.

Along with the other lucky ones who survived, I was marched into German captivity laughing and joking. By that stage of the war, my mind was conditioned to accept that killing was normal.

We ended up in a German work camp to the south of Dresden. My mate Harry and I had to work each day in a soap factory, about eight kilometres from the camp. As we had to walk there and back every day, we were given wooden clogs.

—   §   —

Flares were still making their way to the ground when the first of the bomber streams flew over the city, dropping thousands of incendiaries and the first of the bombs. A whole string of them hit the ground, one after the other in rapid succession — like a drum roll.

Through the glass cupola, the sky changed from bright white to a dull red glow that danced, getting brighter and brighter before fading and dying. Without warning, around four incendiaries burst through our glass roof, shredding the men underneath.

The phosphorous clung to their bodies, turning them into human torches. Nothing could be done to help them. And then about 30 minutes into the raid, a bomb blew in an entire wall of our prison.

All I can remember is being picked up by a giant hand that threw me nearly 50ft to another part of the building. Then everything went dark.

When I came to, I managed to free myself from some fallen beams and lumps of stonework, and stumbled over the debris towards where I’d last seen Harry. I found him sitting against a wall, covered in dust and motionless. He was dead.

—   §   —

I covered Harry up with his coat and stumbled out of the building — now shaking and slowly collapsing — and found myself at the centre of a huge bonfire. The heat was ferocious.

Dresden’s old timber-framed houses were, one by one, succumbing to the fire, and most of the wreckage was landing on top of the cellars that people were using as shelters. Trapped in what were effectively ovens, they slowly roasted to death.

Some of the other prisoners had also made it out of the building. We were all in shock, with some screaming from the pain of their injuries. Only about a dozen of us were fit enough to walk.

As the noise of the planes died away, people started to appear from the few houses that were still intact, while other survivors clawed their way up through huge mounds of rubble. The flames became more intense. Many people climbed into huge concrete water containers erected by the city authorities.

Once in, it was impossible to climb back up the smooth-faced concrete sides, and men and women were trapped in water that slowly rose to boiling point.

I was now part of a small group that had bonded as a unit, though we didn’t know each other.

We stumbled along the remains of a wide avenue, surrounded by fires and mountains of red-hot wreckage. What saved me were the clogs I’d been given me to wade through snow to the soap factory. The soles were so thick that I managed to walk unharmed through red-hot cinders and burning rubble.

Finally, we found ourselves in open fields, and followed a railway line towards a station, from which a huge column of smoke and fire was climbing into the sky. We were intercepted by about two dozen firemen in uniform.

Their leader, a German officer, immediately selected those of us he judged most fit and tried to march us back towards the city. When three of our group refused to follow, he pulled a pistol from his holster and shot two of them at point-blank range. The third man started running as fast as he could to catch up with us.

About 30 of us, armed only with picks and shovels, marched back towards the flames. But we were stopped by the scorching heat.

Instead, we ended up fixing bits of wood to our picks and shovels to turn them into stretchers for the injured. At about midnight, our leader marched us back to the railway line, where reinforcements and a food wagon had somehow been shunted in.

Soon the sirens started their terrible wailing again, and I heard the throb of hundreds of heavy aircraft bearing down on us. There was no longer any need for flares to guide these bombers to their target: the whole city had become a gigantic torch.

As for Dresden itself, it had no defences, no anti-aircraft guns, no searchlights, nothing. Like a great car park in the sky, the heavens were suddenly full of aeroplanes, their outlines reflected in the glow of the flames.

The bombs they dropped this time were so big that we could see them falling through the air, then demolishing whole blocks of buildings in one explosion.

Even the incendiaries were much larger: instead of the metre-long sticks of the first raid, we were now subjected to enormous four-tonners. When they hit the ground, a ball of fire blossomed, incinerating everything within a radius of nearly 200ft.

Only 500 yards of open land separated us from the heart of the city, yet not one bomb landed on us. Even so, our bodies shook as the ground vibrated. Worse, we felt ourselves being sucked towards the inferno by a huge force as air rushed in to replace the vacuum caused by the blasts.

After half an hour, the second wave of bombers started to thin out. Everything that could burn was alight — even the roads were burning rivers of bubbling and hissing tar. Huge fragments of material were flying through the air.

As our German officer marched us towards the city again, more horrors came into focus. We could see people slowly being sucked into a vortex and then, with a final whisk, lifted up into the sky with their hair and clothing alight.

We could also hear the agonised screams of victims as they were roasted alive. Coming towards us, a small group of survivors tried to cross what had once been a road, only to get stuck in molten tar.

One by one, these unfortunates sank to the ground and died in a pyre of smoke and flame.

Even the railway line was a mass of twisted steel. As more buildings collapsed, we were enveloped by a new, huge blast of heat, and the air became so hot it was painful to inhale.

The city was now a mass of flame rising into the night. There was nothing we could do, so we marched away and bedded down for the rest of the night.

—   §   —

Day two. When dawn broke, new gangs of men were already filling up huge craters along the railway and relaying the track.

After some hot soup, black bread and coffee made from acorns, I joined a team of 40 men — all selected by the German officer. I didn’t mind: even if he was the hated enemy, he represented order among the chaos.

We trudged into the embers and started shovelling masonry in the hope of uncovering cellars where people had sheltered.

The officer noticed I was struggling and in pain. He gently lifted my shirt to reveal a mass of blisters across my back, then sent me to one of many aid centres that had sprung up outside the city.

It was while I was being attended to by a German doctor that the sirens started yet again. This time, it was the Americans. They must have known Dresden had no defences, because their fighters flew down almost to street level.

LD: Note how well the German officers treated their prisoners of war, with compassion and kindness. Quite unlike the demonised “Nazis” portrayed in old propaganda newsreels and in sensational Hollywood movies like Schindler’s List 

Only a few bombs landed in the burning city centre; most of their 1,000lb bombs were targeted at railway yards. I joined the rest of my group again for the heart-rending job of opening the cellars, dragging out what was left of the people inside and piling them up for burning with oil and petrol.

In the majority of cases, the victims looked as though they’d died peacefully through lack of oxygen, but the ferocious heat had shrivelled their bodies.

—   §   —

Day three. Again, I joined the crews unearthing shelters under tons of rubble. It usually took a couple of hours to force our way in. Many of the men were unable to bear the sight of the corpses, some so brittle that any attempt to move them resulted in a cloud of ash.

Day four. Two new leaders took over, one of them a boy in SS uniform carrying a Schmeisser machine pistol. They directed us to a small square that was now a bed of ash at least four inches thick.

The first three shelters we uncovered were empty, but further examination of the third revealed a tunnel leading to another shelter. After using timber to shore up this tunnel, we finally broke through in the late afternoon — and found four women and two small girls huddled together and still alive.

Even the guards cheered themselves hoarse. It took an hour to get the survivors to the surface but we all felt like heroes. Sadly, this was a one-off event. In spite of all our back-breaking toil, this was the only time I found anyone alive.

That evening, I was told I’d be joining a batch of British PoWs, unless I wanted to continue the rescue work for another day. My first reaction was: ‘Good, can’t wait to get back to my own mob.’

Then I thought: what if the Germans found out that I was condemned to death? So I stayed.

Day five. We were given orders to try to break into one of the main communal shelters. As it was so close to the raging flames, we were accompanied by a water truck with bags of wet rags and towels.

We found ourselves faced with a still-smouldering, 20ft-high heap of rubble. It was so hot that we had to take turns doing 20-minute shifts. Finally, a German officer told me, ‘Come Tommy’, and handed over a 5ft crowbar.

The door was a massive affair bolted from the outside — which had been the general practice to prevent overcrowding. This was OK in theory, but if there’s nobody left to unbolt the door, the people inside are in trouble.

The heavy metal door opened slowly to reveal a horrific sight. There were no complete bodies, just bones, fat and scorched articles of clothing. We quickly closed the door.

I sneaked out before dawn the next morning, making my way towards the north side of Dresden.

No one challenged me as I walked against the people moving westwards, pushing their most treasured belongings in small handcarts, prams, anything on wheels.

They were trying to put as much distance as possible between themselves and the advancing Red Army. As the morning grew lighter, it seemed the whole of Germany was on the move. By the end of the second day, I’d walked around 40 miles.

—   §   —

As I write this now, I am 93. The sheer horror of what I witnessed remains burned into my memory, impossible to extinguish, and sometimes still wakes me at night. 

I have every respect for the brave lads of the RAF who flew those bombers. But it’s my belief that in the act of destroying the evil of the Third Reich, we committed terrible evils ourselves.

Postscript

On the third day of his trek, Victor was picked up by the Russians, who tended the blisters on his back and gave him new clothes. About two months later, they dropped him off at a transit camp, where he was told to board the next plane to ‘Blighty’. After the war, he had numerous jobs — including long-distance lorry-driver, chauffeur, author and spy. He celebrated his 100th birthday in October last year.

Original source


Adapted from Dresden: A Survivor’s Story, February 1945 by Victor Gregg with Rick Stroud, published by Bloomsbury at £5.99.

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Charred head of a German woman
burned alive at Dresden 

“Churchill’s reputation among the general British public remains high: he was voted number one in a 2002 BBC poll of the 100 Greatest Britons of all time.” (Wikipedia)

Slightly abridged by Lasha Darkmoon,
with pictures and captions added.

63 thoughts to “Dresden Inferno: New eyewitness account of one of the greatest war crimes of the 20th century”

  1. On a smaller scale, there is no doubt the horrors related in this account have happened many other places in this world. Dresden was, perhaps, the most significant, but the horrors are, still, experienced almost daily by one or more people somewhere. It is a very disturbing thought, and these types of consequences for the innocent should always be considered before engaging in all-out war. The machines of destruction have become too awesome.

    1. Why are you deflecting the horror done unto the people of Dresden and Dresden when you talk about other horrors? I know why you are doing this and it is not because ( you pretend) you are so civilised.

      1. I would imagine that being bombed into oblivion ANYWHERE is a terrible experience. The horror experienced in Dresden is a magnification, rather than an exception. I reflect that “war” is nothing to take lightly, asshole.

  2. The impunity of the wicked knows no boundary. And the Wicked never learns. And why do they never learn? Because they tell themselves “The is no God” But the Living God laughs. Because He lives, but deluded evil men convince themselves that he does, is he obligated to reveal Himself and deny them their diabolical pleasure of perpetrating evil?

    Oh No. What He decides is the same you and me might decide, given the choice. “Oh, so you think I do not exist? And because you think “I do not exist” you can do whatever you want? Okay, we shall see. Wont we now?” This is the dirge for the Wicked Morons.

    A Dirge for The Wicked

    “The wicked is proud of his inmost desires, by his blasphemies the grasping spurns Yahweh, the wicked in his arrogance does not look very far; ‘There is no God,’ is his only thought. In all circumstances his step is assured; your judgements are above his head. His rivals? He scoffs at them all. He says in his heart, ‘I shall never be shaken,’ free of trouble himself, he wishes it on others. His speech is full of lies and browbeating, under his tongue lurk spite and wickedness. In the undergrowth he lies in ambush, in his hiding-place he murders the innocent. He watches intently for the downtrodden, lurking unseen like a lion in his lair, lurking to pounce on the poor; he pounces on him and drags him off in his net.
    He keeps watch, crouching down low, the poor wretch falls into his clutches; he says in his heart, ‘God forgets, he has turned away his face to avoid seeing the end.’ Rise, Yahweh! God, raise your hand, do not forget the afflicted! Why should the wicked spurn God, assuring himself you will never follow it up? You have seen for yourself the trouble and vexation, you watch so as to take it in hand. The oppressed relies on you; you are the only recourse of the orphan. Break the arm of the wicked and evil, seek out wickedness till there is none left to be found. Yahweh is king for ever and ever, the heathen has vanished from his country.” Psalms 10:3-16

    ADMIN: Original comments are preferred to long copy-and paste Biblical quotes.

    1. Yahweh? Wife Asherah! Other gods under Yahweh are Athtart, Ba’al (Lord) Hadad, Dagon, Kotharat, Lotan, Nikkal-wa IB Qadeshru, Yam, Yarikh, Shalim, Shacher… Psalms are Vedic. The Hex star is the star of Vishnu, Proverbs was written by Amenamope, the 10 commandments are of the 42 in Egypt of the Book of the Dead 700+ years earlier, Abraham never existed but is word play on Brahma and his 1/2 sister wife Saraswati, Solomon never existed but the temple of Ramses II at Habu Medinet is Solomon’s Temple down to it’s dimensions. The term Neighbor means all creation and not just people even in the Hebrew. The deity in the Old Testament demanded that no blood be spilled for eating and AbEl is the anti-“god”. There is NEVER a just blood sacrifice as this is what made man below the beasts (yes, humanity is an abomination to creator/creation). The ancient Egyptian monotheist creator is HUU (as in a breath). The Vedic the creator is (Ether). Both are infinite and there is no universe but an infiniverse that has no beginning or end.

  3. And The AXIS Of ZOG – Perpetrators of The Dresden Holocaust – is BACK.
    This time with The WHOLE WORLD (apart, of course, from Israel) in Its Sights.

  4. Dresden: The Jew’s idea of Tikkun Olam – Holocausting the world to make a better place for Jews.

    Churchill – voted by Jews as one of the most useful idiots of the twentieth century. Churchill remains in a three way tie with Stalin and FDR for most useful idiot of the twentieth century.
    .

  5. To me…… the picture – “Charred head of a German woman
    burned alive at Dresden” is not believable.

    I believe it is a Hollywood prop, at best…. since hair melts very quickly when a body is totally consumed by fire. I also doubt she would have been resting on her elbows, but curled up in a ball…. like all of the victims at Waco.
    The sexes of burned bodies is difficult to determine in many cases.

    Dresden was SO unimaginably horrible. PURE HELL – the REAL HOLOCAUST!! 💥 💥

    Deceptive props and fakery are not needed, and are demeaning….. and Hollywood jews know that.

  6. She wasn’t burned, she was baked. It took 6 to 10 hours to reach that result at 140 to 160 celcius.

    1. “….she was baked. It took 6 to 10 hours to reach that result at 140 to 160 celcius.”

      With her head in hands resting on elbows while reading a book, getting a tan, I suppose.

      If you saw her, you should have helped her out.

  7. Allied forces bombed the ancient, cathedral city of Dresden, in eastern Germany.

    This is another disgusting lie. The bombing of Dresden was a British/American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden – not a bombing by Allied forces. It’s the same kind of a lie if someone has asserted that Allied forces bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Russians did not participate in this disgusting act of war… even though it was PRECISELY and ONLY the Russians who had every moral ground to do so in view of the sheer scale of civilian destruction the Nazis brought to dozens, if not hundreds, of Russian cities.

    The aim of the campaign was almost exclusively “to show the Russians when they arrive [in Dresden] what RAF Bomber Command can do”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

    Absolutely disgusting!

    Now, go ahead and blame it on de Joos, morons.

    1. @ Circassian

      Allied forces bombed the ancient, cathedral city of Dresden, in eastern Germany.

      This is another disgusting lie. The bombing of Dresden was a British/American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden – not a bombing by Allied forces. It’s the same kind of a lie if someone has asserted that Allied forces bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

      You have a point, Circassian. But this argument also works against you as a defender of Stalin’s Soviet Union. Let me explain.

      Stalin had nothing to do with the bombing of Dresden, true, but he was an “ally” of Winston Churchill and knew what Churchill was doing and took no active steps to prevent the mass incineration of 100,000 German civilians. Nor did Roosevelt intervene and counsel restraint. He, too, stood by and saw it all happen. Both Stalin and Roosevelt, you could say, connived at and condoned Churchill’s war crime. Agreed?

      Similarly, who was responsible for the totally unnecessary nuking of the Japanese at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The Americans, of course. Neither Stalin nor Churchill can be blamed for this war crime committed by Roosevelt and his gang who wanted to test the effectiveness of their newly constructed atom bomb. Yet both Stalin and Churchill did nothing to stop the Americans from nuking Japan. They were all in it together, you could say, as “allies”.

      Finally, we come to another massive war crime, this time committed largely by Stalin’s Red Army: the mass rape and murder, with horrendous tortures included, of TWO MILLION German women at the tail end of WWII and continuing until as late as 1947. (See Thomas Goodrich’s ‘Hellstorm’ for graphic details).

      It is commonly admitted that the Soviet Red Army was the prime force behind this mass rape and that the high-ranking Russian officers were Jewish commissars and Stalin’s propaganda minister the Jew Ilya Ehrenberg who egged on Russian soldiers to claim the German women as their “lawful booty”.

      https://www.darkmoon.me/uploads/34-e1415745622442.jpg

      Yes, American and British soldiers also raped German women in war-torn Europe but in far few numbers and with far less savagery. (German women offered themselves to American GIs in exchange for cigarettes).

      Again, you could say, the Brits and the Americans “connived” at and condoned the Red Army’s brutality. They were Stalin’s “allies” and there was not a whisper of protest from either Churchill or Roosevelt at what the Russian troops were doing. Many of these rapists, I believe, were Mongolians and of Asian origin, and I’m aware that there were good native Russian officers who deplored what the demoralized troops were doing but were helpless to stop the carnage.

      They were all in it together, Circassian. All of them blood-stained butchers. And those who think Hitler’s troops were all saintly and restrained are of course wrong. The Germans had committed horrendous atrocities in the Soviet Union in the early stages of WWII when Hitler broke his peace pact with Stalin. Naturally Stalin and ordinary Russian people, burning for revenge on Hitler, took their revenge when the opportunity arose.

      Sister Monica
      (on behalf of Admin)

      1. @Circassian
        Please do not use the phrase “moral ground”, or anything like it, when referring to soldiers of the Soviet Union during and after WW2. It is repugnant. “Moral” is the last word that could be applied to their behaviour.

        Others armies were just as bad, but so far no one else on this site has eulogised their country men’s behaviour during this sorry period.

      2. CORRECTION:

        Sister Monica meant to say TRUMAN (not Roosevelt) when she wrote this above:

        “Similarly, who was responsible for the totally unnecessary nuking of the Japanese at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The Americans, of course. Neither Stalin nor Churchill can be blamed for this war crime committed by Roosevelt and his gang who wanted to test the effectiveness of their newly constructed atom bomb.”

        Roosevelt had died in April 1945, three weeks before the final German surrender, and was the only US president (Democratic party) to be re-elected three times. He was replaced in the final stages of WWII by his Vice-President Harry S. Truman who ordered the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan in August 1945, which led to Japan’s surrender.

        The point Sister Monica was making (and I agree with her) is that America was directly to blame for the war crime committed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not Britain or the Soviet Union, which were simply America’s two allies at the time — and hence, if only indirectly, complicit in the attack.

        In the same way, Britain was directly responsible for the war crime of Dresden, with America and the Soviet Union indirectly involved as allies and complicit partners. And, finally, the Soviet Union (under Stalin) was overwhelmingly to blame for the mass rape of two million German women in the final stages and aftermath of WWII, with Britain and America guilty by association with this mass rape in which quite a few British and American soldiers actually took part.

        In fact, many Jewish soldiers came from Palestine to Europe to partake in this act of revengeful rapine against the Nazis. In order to punish Hitler for his crimes, alleged as well as real, they took out their burning anger and atavistic hatred of non-Jews (their historical persecutors) by the rape and murder of helpless German women and children.

      3. Great post, Sister Monica! 🙂
        I prepared a reply but LD did it first. I’ll post it anyway…

        “Neither Stalin nor Churchill can be blamed for this war crime committed by Roosevelt and his gang who wanted to test the effectiveness of their newly constructed atom bomb.”

        Just a minor correction Sister, Roosevelt died in the beginning of 1945, the guy responsible for ordering the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the mediocre mason Truman. William Guy Carr knew a reliable source who told him that Roosevelt shot himself with a shotgun, the reason his coffin was closed. Roosevelt thought he would be the king of the world but his masters told him it was not the appropriate time.

        I agree with you about the Germans, they were more civilized but weren’t saints. There was a French village with 200 people massacred by the Germans; they were accused of sabotaging the roads leading to Normandy, after the D day invasion. The Germans were desperate in 1944 and beyond.

      4. Sister
        Ask yourself, what were the true identities of soldiers who committed these atrocities. Your allegation that they were under German command can only be an assumption based on the multitude of lies that we KNOW are so often uttered by the victors who write the history. But what OF the truth of this history?

      5. @LD

        Thanks for that correction of Sister Monica’s confusion about Roosevelt. But, if I may, I would like to correct your correction.

        The point Sister Monica was making (and I agree with her) is that America was directly to blame for the war crime committed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not Britain or the Soviet Union, which were simply America’s two allies at the time — and hence, if only indirectly, complicit in the attack.

        I am sorry, but this is not so.

        The United States detonated two nuclear weapons over the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on August 6 and 9, 1945, respectively, with the consent of the United Kingdom, as required by the Quebec Agreement:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

        As you see, Britain was involved DIRECTLY in the war crime committed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

        Now I will give you two bits of information that’ll show beyond a reasonable doubt that the Soviet Union and Stalin could not be involved in this war crime even INDIRECTLY.

        (1) Potsdam Conference was held near Berlin, Jul 17- Aug 2, 1945. Truman received word of the successful atomic bomb test soon after he arrived at Potsdam; he told Churchill the news but mentioned ‘a new weapon’ only casually to Stalin:

        https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-ii/potsdam-conference

        (2) The second bit of information is related to the Operation Unthinkable, which shows clearly that (by the time the crime was committed) the US and Britain did not consider Soviet Union as an ally any longer in any meaningful sense of that word:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

        And, finally, the Soviet Union (under Stalin) was overwhelmingly to blame for the mass rape of two million German women in the final stages and aftermath of WWII, with Britain and America guilty by association with this mass rape in which quite a few British and American soldiers actually took part.

        This is not so. If you want solidly researched information about the alleged “mass rape of two million German women” here it is (in Russian):

        https://www.chitalnya.ru/federation/1470/

        or translated to English by the Stalin Society of North America (yes, there is such a society, believe it or not):

        http://www.stalinsociety.org/2017/01/01/the-red-army-rape-of-germany-was-invented-by-goebbels/

      6. @Circassian

        The Stalin Society of North America! Now that sounds like an unprejudiced, objective source to us!

      7. @Franklin Ryckaert

        I am not here to babysit for you. You are a grown man – use your common sense judgment. If you wish to restrict your attention to that side of the story which is comforting to you, I have no problem with that – you have.

        @All

        The US-led world is over, folks. And it is not coming back – get used to it.

        From now on the Russia’s influence on the world affairs will grow exponentially. This is an objective reality whether you like it or not. Paradigm shift is taking place right in front of our eyes, so you better be informed better.

        Make Circassian Inc. your source of precise, on-time, and valuable information. Know what the de facto world leader is up to with the new program “Twenty Questions for Vladimir Putin”.

        Episode 1: Putin on the tasks of the government (make sure you turn on the CC feature while watching)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2R6vf1z31A

        Episode 2: Putin on Ukraine

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG6dxqwxGE4

        Disclaimer: This comment is for those only who retain some touch with reality – like Pat, for example – and not for woodpeckers touched in the head 🙂

      8. French villagers lost their distinction of being civilians when they chose to sabotage the roads. This made them the enemy, pure and simple. But in the spirit of giving equal time, the retribution for the killing of Reinhard Heydrich in 1942 Czechoslovakia was burning down the town of Lidice, where it was suspected his killers were hiding out. This did happen, but someone is gonna have to give me bonafide proof of the account saying that villagers were indiscriminately rounded up, put in a barn and the doors locked to prevent escape, and the barn then put ablaze.
        Again, to the victors go the spoils of writing the history

      9. Circ –

        Interesting staged interviews…..

        Bottom line…. ‘Put-On’ wants to unite Ukraine & Russia and use the resources and increase his world trade presence….. and have Ukraine investments placed in Russian banks instead of other countries which then control Ukraine. He wants to use religion to help him do that, while keeping the faithful patronage in the dark. Nothing new. The pope does that.

        It is not coming easily! I see NO WORLD threat. He did get his pipeline route until 2024. ‘Put-On’ loves him some GAS $$$$!! 🙂

        The Dec 019 Normandy Summit Ended With No Breakthroughs!
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/katyagorchinskaya/2019/12/10/the-normandy-summit-ended-what-has-it-achieved/#710ce74c3061

      10. Said tweedledum to tweedledee
        methinks you bwoke my wattle
        Said tweedledee to tweedledum
        It twas that we did battle
        Said tweedledum to tweedledee
        I’ve bought a bwand new wattle
        Said tweedledee to tweedledum
        your wattles got its pwattle

        240 years ago America won the war but lost the peace. And you and Russia, Circassian, will fare any better?

      11. Circ –

        My keeping in touch does not change what ‘Put-On’ claimed…. just as I wrote:

        ‘Put-On’ wants to unite Ukraine & Russia and use the resources and increase his world trade presence….. and have Ukraine investments placed in Russian banks instead of other countries which then control Ukraine. He wants to use religion to help him do that, while keeping the faithful patronage in the dark.

        ‘Put-On’ is an asshole dictator!! 🙂

  8. Nazis had already killed 43,000 British civilians during the Blitz. What’s so special about the retaliation at Dresden? And the Nazis had already killed from the air civilians at Guernica, Warsaw, Rotterdam, Belgrade and all over Europe before getting some of their own medicine served back to them. Why do we always have to hear about Dresden and not about those killed by the Nazis on their rampage through Europe?

    https://www.britannica.com/event/the-Blitz

    1. CM –

      “What’s so special about the retaliation at Dresden?”

      It was a chance to destroy the great libraries and museums and churches which held proof of the German-Saxon culture.
      America’s jews destroyed much of the German-Saxons’ history and culture.

      https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/dres/

      After World War II began in 1939, the most precious holdings of the Saxon State Library were moved to eighteen castles and offices in the vicinity of Dresden. Because of this, they largely survived the bombing raids of February and March 1945 by the British and American Air Forces that virtually destroyed the old city of Dresden and about 200,000 volumes of twentieth-century holdings.

      1. The so-called “greatest generation” was, in fact, the most MISGUIDED generation. Even General Patton acknowledged “We fought the wrong people!”
        Having spoken with the father of a friend who was one of the bombadiers on the B-29 which bombed Hiroshima, I learned that they had no idea of the scope of their mission except for the secrecy and that they likely would not return. The Americans sent to bomb Dresden were told they were, also, on a mission to halt the war with Germany. One colonel I knew who took part in that bombing would never, in a thousand years, have committed such an atrocity willingly. It hurt him to even mention it, and I know he prayed forgiveness from his Maker for taking part.

    2. I believe that the Blitz is the time in summer and fall of 1940 when Germany retaliated against the British bombing of German cities, Berlin, I believe was bombed several times in summer of 1940. The 43000 British dead of the air war were for the whole war, as far as I know.
      The German military actions in Guernica, Warsaw, Rotterdam (I don’t know anything about Belgrade at this time) were all frontline measures, as opposed to terror bombing as adopted by Churchill’s cabinet in May of 1940. You see, there is a difference between fighting at the front line and wanting to disturb troop movements, or wanting a fortress to surrender, and flying over a city a thousand miles behind the frontline and unloading high-explosive and incendiary bombs with the intent to destroy this city, and kill as many as possible of its inhabitants – not fighting men, but women and children, the elderly. You see that? One is a soldier’s fight, the other is a coward’s war.
      The Rules of Civilized Warfare, as signed also by England in 1907, recognize such frontline actions (frontline includes the possibility of fighting near or in cities), while flying far behind the frontline and dropping bombs with the only intent to terrorize little girls and boys and their mothers, with the ultimate goal to disable their fathers from going on because of mourning for their family, does not.
      Yet this is what Churchill and Lindemann and their willing instruments such as Harris or Portal put in words, on paper and in action.
      A good book on the whole matter was written by J.M.Spaight, British official in the Air Ministry during the war. He related with much pride how civilian bombing was decided upon in London in 1940 and, despite knowing that Hitler wanted to not engage in it, put in practice until the longed-for retaliation came.

      Bombing Vindicated, J.M.Spaight, available from Ostara Publications as a re-print of the original, and practically the official British account of the Air War.

      1. The Jew Picasso painted “Guernica” before the war, it’s about a Spanish bullfighting. With that in mind, just look to the picture and you will see the truth. Just like that, it morphed to the bombing of the terrible “Nhadzees.” The lying lazy Joo didn’t have the trouble to paint a new picture.

        Jewish bankers are the ones responsible for WWII, it was seeded 20 years earlier in the Versailles “treaty.” Jewish rabbis, with their chutzpah, putted their evil intentions on paper, when no one was talking about war. They wanted the destruction of the German people. Why?

      2. Well said, The Ounce of Text. That civilians die in frontline measures is what happens when the frontline so often intersects with civilian populations.

        War is hell. Sheer hell for everyone.

    3. Why must we always hear about the holocaust?
      Why must we remember the jews and not the gypsies, homosexuals, political dissidents etc?

      1. Because to the sick, demented and delusional “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” – Rabbi Yaacov Perrin in his eulogy at the funeral of the murderer and Jewish hero Baruch Goldstein.

        Swap “Arabs” for any Goyim and it will fit.

      2. Allen –
        “Why must we always hear about the holocaust?”

        YES – ALWAYS!!!!! 🤢

        It is the jews’ biggest profit item and every jew can export it everyday without costing anything to do so.

      3. Quit bringing up the subject. Those other people are mentioned also. Also, quit having my posts deleted. You guys are censoring hypocrites.

      4. @ Jim

        Quit bringing up the subject.

        What subject? The Holocaust? We’re not allowed to mention the Holocaust? 🙂

        Quit having my posts deleted. You guys are censoring hypocrites.

        Who is “you guys”? How are your comments being “censored” when they are being published? Can you explain? 🙂

      5. Madame Butterfly
        March 31, 2020 at 6:18 pm

        @ Jim

        Quit bringing up the subject.

        What subject? The Holocaust? We’re not allowed to mention the Holocaust? 🙂

        Quit having my posts deleted. You guys are censoring hypocrites.

        Who is “you guys”? How are your comments being “censored” when they are being published? Can you explain? 🙂

        I told him basically to shut up because only websites like this are talking about it.

        I had 2 other posts that never made it.

        You guys are the moderators.

        ADMIN: We are not censoring you. The comments we have received from you and seen, we have posted those comments. Like the comment above. Many comments get lost in transit, however, because of computer glitches. Sorry, but we can’t post comments we haven’t received!

  9. Churchill a 33rd degree Freemason and alleged Druid Priest? The V sign seems certainly a projection of pagan/satanic symbolism and nothing to do with victory.

    Here as a young man-druid in suit:

    https://www.pravda-tv.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/bild2-33.jpg

    Signs & Lying Wonders”: Satan’s V for Victory
    https://www.salvationandsurvival.com/2014/10/these-are-signs-of-our-times.html

    “Victory for the Devil —Fabulous Exploits of Sir Winston Churchill and Other Druid Priests” https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/codex_magica25.htm

    Correct me if I’m wrong but Churchill was the first to murder en mass helpless and innocent civilians using vast machinery of war. Murdering civilians under pretext of war became de rigueur after this devil-man showed they way at Dresden.

    1. @ Jim

      We’re no longer questioning the Holocaust, Jim, because questioning the holocaust is ANTI-jooish and WE are NO longer ANTI-jooish. We are now PRO jooish…..

      We wouldn’t want to see any joos harmed in any way, so We do NOT question the holocaust and We do NOT question heliocentrism. WE don’t want to see any harm come to the joos so We think it’s imperative We clamp down on those who want to question the holocaust.

      WE hope We’ve succeeded in getting this IMPORTANT message thru your thick head, Jim. WE hope you’re not a NAZI, Jim. WE suspect you of being a NAZI, Jim. Straighten up and fly right, Jim. Maybe this isn’t the website for you, Jim, so good-bye, Jim. It’s been nice knowing you. And hey! good luck finding a website where you belong, Jim. We don’t want to see you leave angry, Jim, We just want to see you leave, Jim. Good bye, Jim. Jim, as the joos say, “have a nice day” 🙂

  10. Please read following books to know the TRUTH.
    1 The Bad War by MS King
    2 British Mad Dog Churchill by MS King
    3 Planet Rothschild by MS King
    4 HELLSTORM by MT Goodrich
    5 Summer 1945 by MT Goodrich.
    Know the TRUTH and speak the TRUTH. TRUTH fears no investigation.

  11. Just out of intellectual curiosity – does anyone know any material written on the British/USA aircrew how they viewed the attack on Dresden while flying in that direction? I have never heard their side of the story. Todays Americans and English are able to recognize these actions as war crimes, why not back then? Was it part of a very careful prepared propaganda anti-“Hun” campaign they fell victim to or were they fully aware they were busy with a war crime? I have read quite a bit of material on Dresden, including from David Irving. This is one matter I have never been able to answer to my satisfaction. I have never been in the position interviewing these pilots. How many of them are still alive today? Have they signed some kind of secrecy clause?

  12. Some very good recommendations there. I’ve recently hunted down a copy of Joachim Hoffman’s “Stalin’s War of Extermination”. This is one of the most important books on WW2 and essential reading for everybody. Get it quickly before jewry burns them all. We now know the soldiers of the Third Reich were not evil. The world should be thanking them for saving (stalling) western Europe from falling to jewish Bolshevism.
    Unfortunately, it’s still on the march only they’ve changed their methods from torture, famine and dismemberment to social engineering and subverting the institutions with leftist insanity. Organised subterfuge and destruction of Europe’s ancient races with negroid miscegenation, being the highest paragon of virtue today and rammed down our throats at every opportunity.

    1. Allen –

      I would guess not…. with a name starting with Paul James Joseph Francis…. 🙂

      You can decide:
      Picasso was baptized — Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso — a series of names honouring various saints and relatives. Ruiz y Picasso were included for his father and mother, respectively, as per Spanish tradition. Born in the city of Málaga in the Andalusian region of Spain, he was the first child of Don José Ruiz y Blasco (1838–1913) and María Picasso y López.

      Though baptized a Catholic, Picasso would later become an atheist.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Picasso

    2. Check this article, Allen:

      https://www.jewishpress.com/sections/features/features-on-jewish-world/pablo-picasso-and-the-old-jew/2015/03/11/2/

      Excerpts:
      “…there is some speculation that Picasso’s maternal grandmother was Jewish which, of course, would make him Jewish. In his epic biography on Picasso, John Richardson writes about the artist’s grandfather: next to nothing is known about this bizarre gentleman…beyond the fact that he married a plump young woman from the province of Málaga, Inés López Robles, rumored to be a Maranna (of Jewish descent).

      “Picasso manifested a keen sensitivity to the Holocaust and to the Jewish people.

      “Upon hearing some dubious remarks about the “Jewish Question” from a Polish city official, who blithely advised that “Poland was not only made up of Jews,” he heatedly responded: “Whenever anyone has asked me, I have always said I’m Jewish. And my painting is Jewish painting, isn’t it.” (In this latter remark he was almost certainly being sarcastic, meaning to refer to the fact that his art was closely identified with the “degenerate art” condemned by the Nazis, who actually claimed he was Jewish.)”

      1. I am not so sure that he is of jewish origin. Your information doesn’t convince me and it has nothing to do with his style which I like. As I like also the other spanish painter, surrealistic bizarre paintings. I can’t remember his name, strange.

      2. It is interesting that Picasso lived in Paris during the war and was going on well with the Germans there. I believe that even Arno Breker discussed him with Hitler. How does all of this fit with the postwar narrative of relentless persecution of the Jews?

  13. “Stalin had nothing to do with the bombing of Dresden, true, but he was an “ally” of Winston Churchill and knew what Churchill was doing and took no active steps to prevent the mass incineration of 100,000 German civilians. Nor did Roosevelt intervene and counsel restraint. He, too, stood by and saw it all happen. Both Stalin and Roosevelt, you could say, connived at and condoned Churchill’s war crime. Agreed?”
    I know you didn’t ask me SISTER, and I do hope you won’t take this as some personal insult, but from what I have gathered some people, who have studied the issue in depth, think Stalin and “The Russians” called all the big shots in WW2… And it might be a safe bet that Russia was the HQ for World Zionism at the time, from where the strategy for the spread of communism and the defeat of the white race was directed… Which might make some sense, since Russia was the place where the Jewish Zionists were able to commandeer an entire country, Killing its royal family and tens of millions of its goyim inhabitants in the process, while they burned about 80,000 Christian Churches… But not one synagogue… We do know by now that WW2 was designed and executed by the Masonic NWO Jewish Zionists, an extension of their WW1 power play.. Since the whole FDR crowd in control of the Vatican owned USA CORP were Jews and “allies” of the Russians (Jewish Zionists), and since we know Churchill was a Jew, his mother’s son, then if we see the whole war as a Jewish plot, which was largely about having white people slaughter each other off in millions, even while Rothen central bankers from all over the world met regularly in Basel to keep track of the loans and plot the aftermath, then let’s not discount the theory that there was something more going on with command and control than what the pubic was fed on the Newsreels…
    LD
    “Roosevelt had died in April 1945, three weeks before the final German surrender, and was the only US president (Democratic party) to be re-elected three times. He was replaced in the final stages of WWII by his Vice-President Harry S. Truman who ordered the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan in August 1945, which led to Japan’s surrender. ”
    Not Exactly Darling… By the time the bomb, or whatever, had been dropped on Japan the Japs had already surrendered repeatedly to everybody they could find.. They surrendered to the Russians too… But it didn’t matter. The Jews, Truman and the boys, wanted to use the bomb, or whatever it was, to initiate the Atomic Age and the coming Long Cold War Fake Standoff between the USA and the Russians, all of whose warmongering weapons production activities are financed by the same people who gave you the Bank of England, the Fed Bank in the USA and now we think the banking systems of all but a few of the countries in the modern world…

    1. Bark
      Why nitpick? Lasha could just as easily have said, “…that led to the Allies ACCEPTING the Japanese surrender”. No need to correct her. Just leave it as having a self-understanding…..darlin’ 😁

      1. Care to be more specific? (as if I didn’t know) But one thing I’m not pickin’ is a fight. I just enjoy the discussion, is all.

        E.g.; just this A.M. I was out back of my property trudging through the snow when I heard a voice from some distance calling to see who I was. It seems it was my new neighbor on whose property I had inadvertently “encroached”. For all he knew I was an illegal hunter, of which I understood and explained who I was. We were civil about the whole thing and that was that. But it got me thinking about the earliest European settlers to N. America, some of my father’s ancestors among them, in addition to the Mayflower descendants already here. Those whose intention upon leaving Europe was to hopefully (and bravely) live peaceably among the natives carrying an attitude of “working with” as opposed to later arrivals with a “taking over” mentality. Imagine the degree of resentment this fostered. It made me think of how these latter ones couldn’t figure out what living free really means, and now they’ve taken their poisonous mentality to a whole new continent.

        Then I remembered when I was a kid, who when I thought about these things at all, instead my obsession with playin’ ball, innocently wondered why the people in the ME couldn’t have the magnanimity to insist to each other that they both just share the playground.

        Almost 60 years later and the mind of a child remains the wisest. 🏃‍♂️🏃‍♀️

    1. Allen,

      If you are from New York and you met that lady in Brighton Beach, you want to make sure that she is indeed Russish and not Joosish, if you know what I mean. Look for the looks, man. Here is how Russish ladies look like:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NAqksQGaO8

      You might want to pay attention to that kid at 5:50 as well if you wish to know why Russia can never be defeated.

      How many smartasses here on this site can hold a candle to this 11 year old kid?

      1. How about this one, will you take it:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs

        Being informed is very important, folks. Being honest is important. Being decent and just is important. In a word – being human is important.

        Don’t let anyone and anything to transmute you from human being to an eating and shitting animal.

  14. It is unquestionably “the greatest war crime of the 20th century” and every other century. The death count in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were far fewer, but all of Germany’s cities were pummeled with other smaller cities receiving the same treatment as Dresden. I was there two years ago for a month. Historian David Irving wrote the book about the destruction of Dresden in 1963 that made the world aware of the war crime at Dresden. He spoke to the officials and others that were there and counted the bodies. His carefully researched book has the official death count – 135,000 dead. But that is the minimal number of dead. The city was filled with refugees from the east and many bodies were burned to nothing with no body or human parts to see. David Irving said it is very possible the death count could be 250,000 or as high as 400,000.

    If you only accept figures issued by the German government that has no memorial to the millions of Germans killed in WW II in all of Germany, but a memorial as big as a football stadium to the Jews in Berlin, there was no war crime at Dresden and 25,000 people died there. The German gov’t’s position reflects the position imposed on them by the governments of Germany’s wartime enemies and international Jewry that was very upset when the book was written and have used their power to forcibly cover up the suffering of the German people. No other people endured what they did during that war and it’s still covered up with Austria and Germany jailing David Irving for what he has revealed.

    That was the worst war ever and no other people in the history of the world endured what the Germans did in that war. The death counts of other peoples that suffered are not to reveal the truth of what happened but are politically motivated and not based on honest research. Yes, other countries suffered terribly, but the history is often false and misleading, and not carefully researched. That is why the lying allies reduced the “official” death count at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1.1 million. That means they were lying. No, it was not a mistake.,

  15. PETER
    “If you only accept figures issued by the German government that has no memorial to the millions of Germans killed in WW II in all of Germany, but a memorial as big as a football stadium to the Jews in Berlin, there was no war crime at Dresden and 25,000 people died there. The German gov’t’s position reflects the position imposed on them by the governments of Germany’s wartime enemies and international Jewry”
    Yes, and it’s truly amazing how a relatively small group of people, who, because they have control of media and government, are able to buffalo an entire nation about its own history… One of the big keys to that is presenting and controlling the historical (fake) narrative in early schooling, and the success of that is easily discernible by observing the culture in universities… Obviously the German government has not been in the hands of Germans for quite some time now…

  16. Is there a wonder more and more people are starting to come to the conclusion that it was the winners of the war that were the real evil bastards.
    And todays powers calls those coming to this realization ‘right wing extremists’.

  17. @ circassian, thanks for your advice regarding Russian women. Watched the video and yes Russian women are still womanlike, it seems.

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