Trump’s Betrayal of Julian Assange

By RON PAUL
February 24, 2020

TRUMP’S  TREACHERY: He repeatedly praises Wikileaks and Assange for leaking Hillary Clinton’s cache of  damaging emails that win him the presidency; he then turns on Assange and tears him to pieces for exposing America’s shocking war crimes.   

One thing we’ve learned from the Trump Presidency is that the “deep state” is not just some crazy conspiracy theory. For the past three years we’ve seen that deep state launch plot after plot to overturn the election.

It all started with former CIA director John Brennan’s phony “Intelligence Assessment” of Russian involvement in the 2016 election. It was claimed that all 17 US intelligence agencies agreed that Putin put Trump in office, but we found out later that the report was cooked up by a handful of Brennan’s hand-picked agents.

Donald Trump upset the Washington apple cart as presidential candidate and in so doing he set elements of the deep state in motion against him.

One of the things candidate Donald Trump did to paint a deep state target on his back was his repeated praise of Wikileaks, the pro-transparency media organization headed up by Australian journalist Julian Assange. More than 100 times candidate Trump said “I love Wikileaks” on the campaign trail.

Trump loved it when Wikileaks exposed the criminality of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, as it cheated to deprive Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party nomination. Wikileaks’ release of the DNC emails exposed the deep corruption at the heart of US politics, and as a candidate Trump loved the transparency.

Trump:  “I love Wikileaks!”
(says it 100 times on his campaign trail)

Then Trump got elected.

The real tragedy of the Trump presidency is nowhere better demonstrated than in Trump’s 180 degree turn away from Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange.

“I know nothing about Wikileaks,” he said as president. “It’s really not my thing.”

“I know nothing about Wikileaks,” Trump lies. “It’s really not my thing.”

US pressure and bribes to the Ecuadorian government ended Assange’s asylum and his seven years in a room at the Ecuadorian embassy in London.

After his dramatic arrest by London’s Metropolitan Police last April, he has been effectively tortured in British jails at the behest of the US deep state.

Today, Monday the 24th of February, Assange faces an extradition hearing in a UK courthouse.

The Trump Administration – led by a man who praised Assange’s work – seeks a show trial of Assange worthy of the worst of the Soviet era.

The US is seeking a 175 year prison sentence!

The Trump Administration argues that the Australian Assange should be tried and convicted of espionage against a country of which he is not a citizen. At the same time the Trump Administration argues that the First Amendment does not apply to Assange because he is not an American citizen!

So Assange is subject to US law when it comes to publishing information embarrassing to the US deep state but he is not subject to the law of the land – the US Constitution – which protects all journalists and is the backbone of our system of government.

It is ironic that a President Trump who has been victim of so much deep state meddling has done the deep state’s bidding when it comes to Assange and Wikileaks.

President Trump should preempt the inevitable US show trial of Assange by granting the journalist blanket pardon under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

The deep state Trump is serving by persecuting Assange is the same deep state that continues to plot Trump’s own ouster.

Free Assange!

VIDEO   :  3.46 mins

37 thoughts to “Trump’s Betrayal of Julian Assange”

  1. What is it about the EYES that tell we human beings so much? The top two photographs show both men in mid-sentence with their mouths open and heads tilted the same way, but it is the eyes that make the difference.

    Trumps eyes, look sideways in a certain way that says, “How well are they reacting to this new lie?” This photo is a typical Trump pose. Trump, the liar, ruler of the USA, follows the habits of his master, the ruler of this world.

    Assange’s eyes look neutral, and tired, without any hint of a lie. Resigned, knowing the status quo. Here is someone dedicated to the the truth.

    If there is any justice in the world, Trump will be the one that meets a sticky end, not Assange. Let’s hope so.

  2. BLOTUS BEFORE The Election: ” I just LOVE WikiLeaks!”

    BLOTUS AFTER The Election: : “WikiLeaks? Uugh… NEVER heard of it!”

  3. If this article happens to have been written by SENATOR Ron Paul, its timeliness is inappropriate. Were there any worthy presidential candidate realistically running AGAINST Trump, Paul would be doing well to bring it to public scrutiny. However, as a United States senator, Paul could easily voice these concerns to the Senate, which the president couldn’t help but address. In light of this consideration, there must be something we’re missing, because the injustice done against Assange seems far too big to ignore.
    Trump is disappointing, but his Democrat political opponents are a HORROR.

    1. Gilbert,

      Can’t you see a pattern here? Trump got elected the first time only because Hillary was then the”HORROR”. So Trump swept to power as the lesser of two evils. The identical tactics are now being used to subvert democracy by the Deep State. Trump’s opponents are deliberately being made into unelectable “HORRORS” to enable Trump to get elected again.

      Trump’s second period in the White House is now assured. Nor will it necessarily be a good thing for America. In fact, it could prove a total disaster with TWO overarching aims in sight: (1) to make Israel the greatest nation in the Middle East, entailing the destruction of Iran and the Palestinians; (2) the complete takeover of America by Jews, resulting in MORE MASS IMMIGRATION and White subjugation, slavery and genocide.

      If Trump gets elected again, Gilbert,I don’t think you or your family would prosper. You would be on the way out. Life would become progressively worse for White Americans.

      @ Pat

      I wonder if Pat agrees with this assessment?

      @ Circassian

      And what about Circassian? Is Trump’s election in the interests of Russia? Does Putin want Trump to get elected, not because he likes Trump, but because he knows that Trump’s next steps will lead to the decline and fall of America?

      1. Saki –

        As in 2016 there will be bad choices only in 2020.

        Trump or…. one of TWO jews…. Sanders or Bloomberg!!

        I haven’t voted since I voted for Ron Paul for President, as a Libertarian, in 1988. It just encourages the criminals in control of the national and important state elections.

        It really doesn’t matter what we guess. The election engine is TOTALLY controlled by jew bankers.

        Betters are shown here:
        https://electionbettingodds.com/

    2. Gil –

      The article was written by former REPRESENTATIVE Ron Paul, who wants to end the Federal Reserve.

      Ron Paul’s SON is the SENATOR Rand Paul.

      Both are medical doctors.

      Ron Paul has exposed MANY conspiracies since he was first a libertarian Congressman in the 80s, then 3 decades as a Republican….. which HE now sees EVERYWHERE in the US Government:
      “One thing we’ve learned from the Trump Presidency is that the “deep state” is not just some crazy CONSPIRACY theory. For the past three years we’ve seen that deep state launch plot after plot to overturn the election.”

      http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/february/24/trump-s-betrayal-of-julian-assange/

      1. Thanks, Pat. I realized that “Ron” is not “Rand” the second I clicked to post it. I just didn’t feel like going back and correcting my error. (I knew many would see it and be eager to correct it for me. 🤔 )
        To address Saki’s comment: I do realize Americans are in a bad way with their choices, but, all-in-all, what matter does it make to us WHO is the dominant Middle Eastern country so long as they are not a military or economic threat to us?? We’ve become accustomed to the ways of the Jew bankers and liars long enough to watch out for ourselves. Maybe we NEED a few difficulties to awaken us. (?) Despite all I know is wrong, I am grateful to God the He has spared me the hardships suffered by most of the rest of the world, and I think it’s high time more of us practiced GRATITUDE for our good fortunes… It could be a LOT WORSE.

      2. @ Pat

        “One thing we’ve learned from the Trump Presidency is that the “deep state” is not just some crazy conspiracy theory.”

        With this comment, Ron Paul comes across as being either blatantly disingenuous, embarrassingly naive or senile.

      3. HS –

        Ron Paul is none of those. He lacks the forceful personality to rally support for his ideas. He is just not a blustery tuff guy…. not tuff enuff. He is an obstetrician and still delivers babies for free at local hospitals.

        https://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies

        He sponsored 620 bills. Only 4 made it to the floor for a vote. Only ONE was signed into law….. and that was for the sale of a US Customs warehouse in Galveston 🙂

      4. He may be a nice guy, and he may not be a participant in the effort to destroy America, but after spending decades in congress, he only acknowledges the existence of the “deep state” after the “deep state” publicly comes “out of the closet” in a transparent ploy to get its loyal agent, Trump, elected (and then maintained in office)? I can’t buy it.

      5. HS –

        Ron Paul has been called a ‘crazy conspiracy theorist’ for decades for trying to warn people of the ‘deep state’ and used this opportunity to validate his claims. The investigation into Trump proved his ‘lunatic-like’ positions….. especially about the Federal Reserve being privately owned. 🙂

        I have been following his ‘conspiracy’ claims since the 1970s.

        Here is an example of one his critics calling him having a “PARANOID style”:

        “My reason for contacting this all-American curiosity was that I was reporting a story about the then Republican congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul for The New Republic. (Paul had been a frequent guest on Jones’s radio show for years.) –I had obtained a trove of newsletters that the libertarian gadfly had intermittently published from the late 1970s through to the mid 1990s, which were chock-full of conspiratorial, racist, and anti-government ravings.– According to passages published under Paul’s name, Martin Luther King Jr. “seduced underage girls and boys,” the Federal Emergency Management Agency “intends to wipe out state jurisdictions by setting up the ten federal regions so beloved of the Council on Foreign Relations,” and gay victims of AIDS “enjoy the attention and pity that comes with being sick.” Collectively, the bulletins revealed an exceptionally sinister side of the man whose ardent supporters and much of the media portrayed as a principled, if slightly cranky, “straight talker.” My exposé of the newsletters and broader investigation into Paul’s history of associations with all manner of groups and individuals on the extreme right, entitled “Angry White Man,” was published by The New Republic on the day of the 2008 New Hampshire primary.

        “Ten years ago, the notion that Ron Paul—or anyone espousing his worldview—would ever come close to becoming the president of the United States was extremely far-fetched. Never mind his far-out proposals to revive the gold standard or abolish the Federal Reserve; Paul was an outspoken opponent of foreign policy interventionism in general and a strong critic of George W. Bush’s wars in Afghanistan and Iraq in particular, untenable positions for anyone hoping to win a GOP presidential nomination at the time. Paul ran once more for president in 2012, and retired from Congress early the following year.”
        https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/01/17/trumps-debt-to-ron-pauls-paranoid-style/

      6. Yeah, but which “deep state” has been launching the plot to overturn the election? If we are to presume that a close election was rigged to tip the scales for Trump, then this would mean that a “deeper” state would be responsible for that, making it a (s)election. One that “trumped” the other “deep state” (pun well intended)

        Agendas in conflict. In this instance sour grapes by the “deep state” backing Clinton.

      7. HS –

        Thanks for Chuck’s link. Nothing new there for me.

        It may help others understand more.

        Everyone should know that even as I followed and applauded her original efforts in Congress…. backed by the Communist Party USA, Cynthia McKinney would destroy the USA to reach her goals.

      8. “For the past three years we’ve seen that deep state launch plot after plot to overturn the election.”

        That statement by itself proves that he’s either dishonest, naive or senile. Period. The end.

      9. “Tell me who you believe the ‘deep state’ is composed of. Period. The end.”

        You want me to make a big list? Sorry I won’t burden myself with that, but I don’t need to because we both know that Lindsey Graham, for example, is as “deep state” as “deep state” gets, right?

        With regard to Trump’s impeachment, Graham said:

        “This thing will come to the Senate, and it will die quickly, and I will do everything I can to make it die quickly…I am trying to give a pretty clear signal I have made up my mind. I’m not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here.”

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/21/lindsey-graham-senator-trump-bulldog-impeachment-trial

        If the “deep state” wanted to remove Trump, the “deep state” would’ve removed him. Deep state agent Lindsey Graham’s statements and actions amount to “clear and convincing evidence” that the “deep state” does not want to get rid of Trump.

        There are other lines of reasoning that support my view but I can’t see wasting any more time and effort trying to prove something so painfully obvious. Ron Paul is either dishonest, naive or senile. Period. The end.

      10. When I first met Ron Paul (I was a delegate for George Allen on his first run for Governor of Virginia), I asked him “for whom” do you audit the Federal Reserve? (Remember his mantra was calling for an audit?? – like that would scare them! 😄)
        He didn’t answer, because there is NO authority which could fine or punish the Fed. It was one of those rhetoric political chants.
        No one has an answer. It’ll have to play out in the run of events. Ron Paul has no more a viable plan than Lindsey Graham, and the “deep state” is nothing more than a collection of characters trying to advance their own interests under cover of government. Sometimes they’re in synch, sometimes not.

      11. HS –

        Great answer!!
        Now I know what you know…..
        Period. The end!! 🙂

        =====

        Gil –

        Ron Paul may have forced some diversions with his decades of squawkings & complaints. 🙂

    1. ADMIN: Typo in your email address. Please correct.

      …Just like any other politician, is he??? 🙂🙃😁
      How does that surprise you?!?

  4. So many “deep states”. So many conflicting agendas. But the utter hypocrisy concerning Assange’s 1st Amendment rights is the bottom line here. I’ll second the motion – FREE ASSANGE!

  5. “One thing we’ve learned from the Trump Presidency is that the “deep state” is not just some crazy conspiracy theory. For the past three years we’ve seen that deep state launch plot after plot to overturn the election.”

    With one ridiculous implication being that the “deep state” has little or no influence over the U.S. senate. So Lindsey Graham is actually an America-first patriot, not the Israel-first anti-American traitor he always seemed to be? Seriously?

    On the contrary, no, “they” don’t want to “overturn the election”; rather, they want to make gullible people believe that they want to overturn the election. If they actually wanted to get rid of Trump they would have.

    “Donald Trump upset the Washington apple cart as presidential candidate and in so doing he set elements of the deep state in motion against him.”

    If that’s the case, why did “deep state” agent Obama attack the Syrian army at Deir Ezzor in Sept. 2016, just as the election was coming into the home stretch? With a close race and with the votes of at least some Sanders supporters apparently still up for grabs (particularly those of antiwar voters), Ron would have us believe that the “deep state” is so stupid it didn’t realize this would undermine Clinton’s electoral prospects.

    And if the Obama administration worked for the “deep state” why did Comey – apparently in violation of DOJ rules -try to undermine Clinton with his “investigation” into the Clinton’s alleged email improprieties?

    “Then Trump got elected.

    The real tragedy of the Trump presidency is nowhere better demonstrated than in Trump’s 180 degree turn away from Wikileaks and its founder Julian Assange.”

    First, what about Trump’s 180 degree turn on everything else? Julian Assange is only one example. Second, being that he “turned” on everything important to the “deep state” (i.e. he now supports aggressive “deep state” “foreign policy”) why would they oppose him? His ostensible “deep state” “enemies” cheered when he murdered General Soleimani but they want to get rid of him? Sorry but it doesn’t make sense.

    1. “Deep state”: Deep, deeper, deepest dark Intel realities. Where the deepest are located in the deepest bowels of the CIA, as compared to the deep and deeper bowels of their overall top to bottom (or bottom to top, as it were) hierarchal levels operating on a “need to know only” basis.

      All pretty deep stuff 😎

  6. They say the eyes show the soul..
    Can anyone rise to trump and Bloomberg’s level in NYC and still have an intact soul?
    Good Question, philosophically…
    His statements about Wikileaks show his shallow, but that’s at least honesty on his part…
    Yes he should free Assange and encourage more truth and sunshine on the MIC…
    Don’t hold your breath…
    The real question now is – Exactly What Is The Deep State? We got that term a while back, that was progress.. but does it amount to a beginning toward a correction?
    Because if we could ever take take that first step in the right direction we might get the whole thing right…
    And there is a lot of money and energy being wasted, all the grief and misery generated systemically by people who are really gaming, effectively being covered by the people maintaining the PaxAmericana thing, as the best we can hope for as the goal…
    Deep State myst be the guys beyond the CIA and the Masons..
    Who would that be?
    What would the Deep State be up to, why does it exist, what’s its purpose?
    We know the intelligence communities license themselves to do whatever they please, they operate outside the control of Congress and the President… oversight committees a joke…
    Trump figures he’s probably safe as long as he does what the Jews want and not too much else… Him no JFK..
    That being as it may, he sounds good sometimes, and I believe he would like to MAGA, but where’s the real beef for the USA?
    However, this latest virus might bode a lot bigger than we think…
    Now, since it’s starting to dry up, we’re becoming aware of how much we get from China..
    And we all understand, if a lot of impostors in office don’t, that returning the manufacturing to the USA is the key to everything, beginning with getting the homeless vermin off the streets, out of the bushes and back to work…
    Now, it’s ok with me if we stops importing everything from China until all our people can have factory jobs again….. so if the corona quarantine forces that hand
    I say that’s great…

  7. @Barkingdeer
    “The real question now is – Exactly What Is The Deep State?”

    The deep state is simply the permanent public service. That would account for the chaotic decision making that comes out of government, as tens of thousands of employees each do their little bit to feather their own nests at the public expense, and adjust policy to their own political beliefs. Some of (((them))) have more influence than others.

    Anyone who has ever dealt with a so called public servant knows the frustration. The intelligence services merely have more tools at their disposal to work the system by controlling information flows.

    Police forces, the military, and all departments have their own special levers to adjust the ship of state as it sails off towards the metaphorical rocks and shoals.

  8. JAKE
    “The deep state is simply the permanent public service. That would account for the chaotic decision making that comes out of government, as tens of thousands of employees each do their little bit to feather their own nests at the public expense, and adjust policy to their own political beliefs. Some of (((them))) have more influence than others. ”
    yes, there are always your typical nest-feathering bureaucrats and apparatchiks but I’m thinking we’re talking about the real heavyweight insider core of ruthless manipulators… the people who contrived the world wars and invented the cold war and the atomic age, assassinated the presidents and reps, who are now devising the surveillance state… not saying you’re wrong…
    i would like to hear all out commentators best definitions of just who and what the deep state is…
    I think, one thing – it’s not working for us…

    1. @BARKINGDEER
      The “deep state” represents the real owners of the American Republic, those who created the Bank of England in 1694 and from day one in 1777, created the American republic to further their own project of Jewish supremacy over the world. With hindsight, you can see that what the Judeo-British empire has started, the Judeo-American empire has extended and consolidated. All this in conformity with Deuteronomy 15.6. Freemasonry in one of their most powerful tools of government subversion and the US is not the only country created ab initio by Freemasonry: Italy is another example and also the Turkish republic. Besides, many old
      countries, like France, have been permanently subjugated through Freemasonry.
      So, we could say that Freemasonry is a front for the deep state in most countries of the world.
      https://thegoodlylawfulsociety.org/shook-europe-revealed-isis-putin-merkel-grand-master-reveals-masonic-lodge/

      1. Mazetto –

        Thanks! Great info.

        From the article:

        Although the book made a real boom in Italy, all other world media simply went over that event, although there is nothing hidden. Check out who’s where in Freemasonry. All the people on the list, says the author of the book, were crucial to the establishment of the New World Order, and were tasked by their lodges to perform tasks that go toward that goal, while they were in power.

        Barack Obama (US President seats in a “Maat” lodge. This lodge was founded by Zbiegniew Brzezinski.
        Vladimir Putin (Russian president seats in a Masonic lodge called “Golden Eurasia”).
        Angela Merkel (German Chancellor) acted in the same lodge “Golden Eurasia”, now is a member of the “Valhalla”, “Parsifal” lodges).
        Christine Lagarde (FMI director is the member of the Lodge “Three Eyes” and “Pan-Europa”).
        George W. Bush (former President of the United States is in the Lodge “Hathor Pentalpha”).
        Bill Gates (Corporatist sits in Compass Star-Rose / Rosa-Stella Ventorum).

        Original: (Chrome will translate)
        Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 18:17
        http://www.dnevno.hr/planet-x/uzdrmao-europu-razotkrio-isis-putina-merkel-veliki-mestar-otkrio-tko-je-u-kojoj-masonskoj-lozi-912786

  9. Bark –

    The ‘deep state’ has been in charge of the US for hundreds of years. It first & foremost consists of all the administrators and agents of the British Crown and London Bankers who have implemented and regulated the agreements within the US Government and state governments. No ‘spooks’ needed in every case. Much is in the open. The US is STILL controlled by the Crown….. especially in all financial matters!!

    One example is the British control of US Social Security…. THE BIGGEST PIE in the US!! 🙂

    AGREEMENT ON SOCIAL SECURITY
    BETWEEN
    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    AND
    THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND

    The Government of the United States of America and
    The Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
    Being desirous of regulating the relationship between their two countries in the field of Social Security, have agreed as follows:

    For the purpose of this Agreement:
    “Territory” means,
    as regards the United States, the States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the United States Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and
    as regards the United Kingdom, England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and also the Isle of Man, the Island of Jersey, and the Islands of Guernsey, Alderney, Herm and Jethou; and references to the “United Kingdom” or to “territory” in relation to the United Kingdom shall include the Isle of Man, the Island of Jersey, and the Islands of Guernsey, Alderney, Herm and Jethou where appropriate;

    “The Competent Authorities and Agencies of the Parties, within the scope of their respective authorities, shall assist each other in implementing this Agreement. This assistance shall be free of charge subject to any exceptions to be agreed upon in an administrative agreement.”

    SEE:
    https://www.ssa.gov/international/Agreement_Texts/uk.html

    There are many hundreds of agreements such as the one above!!

    See the ‘deep state’ control from 1778 to the Present:
    18th Century Treaties 19th Century Treaties 20th Century Treaties

    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/amerdipl.asp

    1. @ Brownhawk

      I have deleted my previous comment to you because, on further reflection, I think your critics were more to blame than you. Your only fault, I think, is that you allow yourself to be provoked too easily. Please try and avoid these off-topic ad hominem exchanges in future.

      1. Well said, Admin! I think Brownhawk is an excellent poster, but he still needs to explain why we should take David Icke seriously. After all, a guy who equates Jews with lizards can hardly be regarded as a reliable witness. Sounds like a nutcase to me! 🙂

  10. HAWK
    I thought I saw another comment from you , where’d it go?
    i have read most of Icke’s books… I got hip to him when he first published ‘The Biggest Secret’, what 15 years ago? I thought it as the most interesting book I’d ever read…
    Before that I had never known anything about the Masons. much less the ET connection to human origins… Rumor has it Icke was a Mason, but who knows…
    Ike’s ideas about the semi-human Reptilian Shape Shifters running the world I thought were pretty screwy the first time I heard him on a community radio station, sensationalism, a gimmick… But after i read that first book and realized how little I knew about what was going on right in front of my face my whole life, I was willing to keep looking… Then I read a lot of the books in his reference list, found out lot more… He’s just Ancient Aliens with a twist… He was there before they were… I don’t think Icke has ever been a guest on that program though… Zecharia Sitchin goes into a lot more detail about ancient Sumer and the derivations from the Cuniform Texts, says they indicate the time when the principals of the Sumerian Kings List went from full blooded reptilian ETs, the Gods, to Half Breeds… Gods, Dragons, Vampires, Messiahs, all kinda the same thing… The Egyptian Book of the Dead is good.. Also The Treasures Of Darkness, by Thorkild Jacobson, and The Dragon Legacy, by Nicholas De Vere… Any Wise Guys ought to read those books before they pop off too loudly, because after that they won’t be so sure… BTW, the word WISE as in the Three WISE Men doesn’t originally mean Smart, it means ‘of the same blood’, or LIKE-WISE…
    What’s all that got to do with Trump and Assange?
    Well, Assange is being slowly killed on purpose as the result of the treatment he’s getting in the custody of the British Security State, you might say tortured to death… As Princess Di said “These people are not human”…
    PAT
    Of Course Social security is another one of their suction scams, where does it all really go?
    HA – where does all the Income Tax Money go?
    One thing – Social Security is a huge kinda corporate welfare program for Lawyers, that would be members of the BAR Association – BRITISH ACCREDITATION REGISTRY… They call them ATTORNEYS AT LAW, British Crown Agents, though most of them don’t know it at all…

    1. Bark –

      Quite correct. I did that research a few decades back. The BAR is part of the ‘deep state’ as agents of the Crown. The Crown Bankers control US Law & Courts. (You can see the British Regnal Years are listed in the back of all Black’s Law Dictionaries.)

      See what Julian Assange is up against…
      ‘SECRET CANONS OF COURTS’. (tongue in cheek)

      http://caught.net/nwsltr/candef.htm

    2. Thanks for your reply, Bark.

      An important thing about Icke’s material is that it makes you realize just what a strange world this really is, and that it would be ILLOGICAL to simply dismiss, or debunk that which we don’t fully understand. As a PRACTICAL matter, though, the material Pat has been offering over the years illustrates the present-day manifestation of those whose roots go back to very ancient times.

      Also, I would add that Icke, Sitchin, and others don’t necessarily have all the particulars down, but they aren’t fiction writers, either

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