Why I Vote

By Nelson Rosit
The Occidental Observer
September 22, 2020

LD (by way of introduction) : The subject of whether we ought to vote in the coming elections, or refrain from voting, cropped up recently on our website. My own opinion was that we should refrain from voting if our only choice was between two equally detestable candidates. That seemed to be only logical.

Here is an article that recommends the opposite: that we should vote regardless, if only to show we are taking an interest in life. The article provides no convincing reason, however, why we should force ourselves to vote for someone we dislike. “I hesitate to make a biblical reference,” the author  informs us lamely, ” but we need to be in this world, but not of it.” That comment, I confessed, jarred on my nerves, with its implicit anti-religious assumption that no one quotes the Bible nowadays except a fool.   

The author also makes the classic mistake of assuming that conscientious non-voters are “apathetic” when the opposite is in fact is true: there is such a thing as a passionate non-voter, too disgusted to vote in a rigged election that is a cross between a pantomime and a charade. 

Feel free to give your honest opinions on this thorny issue: how can you vote when you can’t stand either candidate? How can you choose one of two dishes on the menu when you know both dishes are going to make you sick?  [LD]


NELSON  ROSIT:  I recall having a discussion/debate decades ago with a well-respected White advocate regarding the efficacy of voting. I’m not going to mention his name because I don’t know if he still holds the same position today, but back then he claimed that participating in elections was legitimizing a perverted political order, or as another commentator put it, voting gives symbolic affirmation to the system.  I believed then, however, as I do now, that voting is a worthwhile activity.

There is no doubt that our present political arrangement is malfeasant beyond reform. But is the passive resistance of non-participation in the electoral process effective? How about the old adage: silence equals assent? The establishment does take notice of voter turnout, giving lip service to promoting participation. The reality on the ground is they’re mainly concerned about motivating their own constituencies.

Even if boycotting elections sends a message that message is rather unclear. Are non-voters on the Left or on the Right? Are non-voters apathetic, or simply satisfied with the status quo?  It should be noted that voter turnout in the US is already low by Western standards. About fifty to sixty percent of those eligible participate in presidential elections, and forty to fifty percent in off-year elections. Yet this low rate has not brought about beneficial political change. So nonparticipation is not an effective strategy for transformation.

A nonvoter might argue that his individual vote is insignificant, so why bother. In an election with hundreds of thousands, or even millions of votes what difference does one vote, more or less, make? Of course if everyone on our side had that attitude we would completely surrender the ballot box to the opposition. Plus low turnout can work to our benefit if we take advantage of it. Several years ago a referendum in my town had a turnout of seventeen percent.  Thus mobilizing just nine percent of the electorate carried the day.

The Left appears to appreciate the efficacy of voting more than the Right.  The Left is better organized and more motivated on the local level. Trump carried my city and county in 2016, yet the city council and board of education are controlled by Leftists. Shame on us for our indolence and apathy.

Another argument against voting: With no candidates worthy of support, it is tiresome to vote for the lesser of two evils. The lesser of two evils is still evil.  First, it should be remembered that a ballot is not like a multiple-choice test. The voter does not have to take his best guess on every candidate for office.  As long as one candidate has been selected it is a valid ballot. Vote for a third party candidate. Even if he or she does not completely reflect your views, it is still a vote against the establishment.  Still no one to vote for? Most states have provisions for write-in votes that must be duly recorded.

Many years ago William Pierce made the oft repeated observation that we’re never going to vote our way out of this mess. Yet Peirce himself was a registered voter and voted in West Virginia elections. Of course what Pierce meant was that voting and electoral politics is not the solution, but it can be one part of our strategy.

Some might point to the 2016 election as an example of the futility of voting. Certainly Donald Trump has been a huge disappoint, even for someone such as myself who had a rather low expectations from the beginning. I have to believe that those who are most bitterly disillusioned had unrealistic hopes for the Trump presidency.

There were many indications during 2016 that if elected Mr. Trump would have a rough time of it. First, he ran against both the Democratic and Republican parties.  Thus after his surprise victory he did not have firm control of his party in Congress. As for his own executive branch, he did not have a likeminded cadre to staff his administration. This might not have been an insurmountable problem if Trump had had patience and a firm ideological grounding. But his temperament interfered with finding and supporting strong lieutenants with administrative skills.

Trump was elected as an outsider, a businessman, a game changer. Is politics the only profession where a lack of experience is considered an asset? Reflect on Lyndon Johnson who came to the White House after thirty years as first a legislative aide, then a congressman, senator, and vice president. Johnson knew how get his agenda implemented. Who would want to fly with a neophyte pilot whose claim to fame is as an expert entomologist?

So now in 2017 Trump, without firm party backing and with limited experience, had to confront the Deep State. The term Deep State may have the whiff of conspiracy theory, but it simply refers to the permanent bureaucracy, especially the security and intel community. Any intro to political science textbook will confirm that career bureaucrats have quite a bit of discretionary authority when interpreting and implementing policy.  This entrenched bureaucracy is guided by the neoliberal/neocon elite consensus. They saw the Trump administration as illegitimate, so, in coordination with the Democrats in Congress, they attempted what amounted to a not entirely unsuccessful coup attempt.

With his executive branch stonewalling and subverting his policies, with a largely hostile media and judiciary, and without the full support of his own party, it is no wonder Trump has floundered. It was naïve to believe that Trumpism could quickly take over the Republican Party whose operatives have long-standing vested interests. The party coopted Trump rather than the other way around. It is possible that a nationalist-populist ideology could take over the Republican Party, but it would take many years and much effort to accomplish.

To sum up Mr. Trump: The transformation he promised and we had hoped for in 2016 would have required a skilled and focused politician who could have rallied his party and public opinion to support the radical changes the system needs.  That would have taken the determination of a revolutionary genius such as V. Lenin. In the end we received more rhetoric than action, and much of the rhetoric was not very articulate.

Did Trump energize the Left? To an extent yes, but any reassertion of White identity has and will continue to enrage the Left regardless of who is in the White House. The bottom line is this: would a Clinton administration have been better for our people? Will a Biden administration benefit our cause?

I’ve acknowledged that the system is terminally corrupt, and that electoral politics has limited capacity to effect change. Why then is it still important to vote? First, we should keep in mind that voting involves no risk, no expense, and very little effort. Thus any benefit obtained from this activity comes at a low cost. The main value in voting is derived from civic engagement. It is important for our people to stay involved in the process.  Under present political and social conditions, it is easy to become discouraged and resigned to degeneracy. Our young people especially need to avoid the severe alienation that can impact their ability to function in the real world, to establish careers and families. I hesitate to make a biblical reference, but we need to be in this world, but not of it.

Participating in electoral politics can build connections and provide valuable experience. At present we cannot elect a president or senator, but how about a city councilman, school board member, or county commissioner? (One caveat: do not contribute money to establishment candidates or organizations. Our people and organizations need those funds.)  Voting should be part of a broader community participation. While it is important to prepare ourselves and our families for stormy weather, we cannot retreat into a bubble or ideological ghetto. Write a well-crafted letter to the editor of your local fish wrap, join a local organization, a garden club or a gun club or both. Stay informed. If you live in an area where such opportunities are not available to you that’s strong evidence you need to move to a more congenial locale.

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121 thoughts to “Why I Vote”

  1. The easiest way is always to reach for the popcorn and be a spectator.
    Then you may presume yourself innocent, and you do so by not acting.
    What a lovely and comfortable spot to be in, especially for an academic.
    And life was meant to be comfortable, was it not?

    1. @ BjornThorsonn

      If you are suggesting that non-voting is an easy option and indicates APATHY — “reaching for the popcorn and being a spectator” — you are making the same false assumption as the author of this article. I an NOT voting in this election deliberately, as a matter of policy, like several other conscientious non-voters. It’s not because I am “reaching for the popcorn” and deciding to be a “comfortable” spectator — to quote your own words.

      You miss the point completely.

      I am deeply concerned and politically engaged, every bit as you appear to be. No one is stopping you from voting. Vote ahead! So why are you making derogatory comments about conscientious non-voters? Why the sneer about “popcorn”?

      Kudos to LD for expressing clearly and succinctly what many of us conscientious non-voters feel:

      “The author [of this article] makes the classic mistake of assuming that conscientious non-voters are “apathetic” when the opposite is in fact is true: there is such a thing as a passionate non-voter, too disgusted to vote in a rigged election that is a cross between a pantomime and a charade.”

      1. Reasonable people refrain from voting when both candidates are perceived as equally unworthy. The only people who can bring themselves to vote, and do so reasonably, are those who actually like one of the candidates and want him to win.

      2. You are pointing out the obvious, dear Saki. But the obvious never occurs to these fanatical zealots who expect you to vote for their man on the pedestal. LD’s pithy conclusion expresses my own thoughts exactly. I couldn’t have put it into clearer and more trenchant English: “How can you vote when you can’t stand either candidate? How can you choose one of two dishes on the menu when you know both dishes are going to make you sick?”

      3. @Saki

        No sneers here – just a challenge.

        The world is full Pontius Pilates. They can always tell afterwards that they did not vote for either. Not committed to anything. One of the easiest thing in this world is to criticize people who act.

        I would say for at least 98% of the population, a vote will be the biggest political influence they will have on society by way of acting. If you belong to the last 2%, kudos to you. Do not let me keep you. You got a LOT to do.

      4. I regard that as a sneer, though a rather polite and restrained one. Good for you! 🙂

        I am not Pontius Pilate, nor am I 2% of the population as a non-voter. Even on this site, the majority of commenters have said they do not intend to vote. It’s not out of apathy that one refrains from voting, as you keep on falsely stating, but out of commitment to a political ideal. One should only vote when the choice is between good and evil, or a greater good and a lesser good. One should not vote, however, if the choice is between two equal evils — or even for the lesser of two evils.

        If you want to vote, no one is stopping you. Vote ahead! Maybe you will get the president you deserve. 🙂

        This I predict, my friend: whoever wins, America will be much worse after the election. And this is what you you will be voting for, blindly and wilfully: a worse America.

        You will be voting for dystopia.

  2. Why I vote.
    In fact why I voted, yes I did already.
    With my feet.
    I am now permanently in Southeast Asia, because blah-blah-blah, you know how it is more blah-blah-blah.
    Well, enough of that, of no further interest.

    Obviously, to many westerners, there is absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump, if placed on opposite ends of an apothecary’s scale, they would be balanced to within a gram, why waste precious minutes voting—and as someone noticed, why waste precious minutes debating it—pluses equal minuses, together they also equal zero.

    A few numbers will no doubt confirm this, e.g., Syrian war casualties (from Wikipedia, under-reported if anything, since Syria takedown was always part of Yinon Plan, ask Jew-Gen Wesley Clark)
    2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020
    7,841 49,361 73,929 76,268 54,574 52,589 34,700 20,130 11,244 4,953
    Do you see what I see? (forget 2011, just a warmup and not full 12 months)
    Obama-Biden average, 2012-2016 is 61,344 Syrians killed annually,
    Trump’s average, 2017-2020; 17,757/yearly, i.e., 29% of Nobel peacemaker’s score.
    Not only that, in each of Trump’s years subsequent to the first, the yearly total was halved.
    We could expand to look at crippling injuries and refugees and so boring on.

    Conclusion: they are absolutely the same to a western mind, even though we are all goyim—there are greater and lesser goyim I guess, so why not bring Hillary and Biden back + some fresh Dem talent, hmm, how about Marina Abramovic and the Pizza Comet Ping Pong, Spirit cooking Middle East style sounds like fun don’t it.
    (actual photo location, Iraqi oy-vey of Death, 1991)

    And this is why I am no longer a westerner, too squeamish, too easily roused to sputtering rage at iniquity, apathy, don’t know how to grow callouses/where.
    Too ready to join Quantrill’s Raiders (yeehaw! that’s me, look at me mom!)

    1. @ Lobro

      Your statistics are impressive, but this is only assuming they are true and not taken from dubious sources. Even if true, your argument is not convincing. You are saying in effect: “Vote for my psychopath because he has killed fewer people than other psychopaths I could name!”

      Maybe so. But your psychopath is loathed by the Palestinians for handing over Palestine to the Jews. Previous presidential psychopaths did not move the American embassy to Jerusalem or hand over the Golan Heights to Israel. Your preferred psychopath has picked on Iran most viciously and reneged on America’s previous nuclear deal with Iran when Iran is absolutely guiltless. I guess you approve of all that, right? 🙂

      The fact that your preferred psychopath has allegedly killed fewer people during his first four years in office — even if your figures can be trusted — is no reason to believe that he will pull the rug from under the Jews’ feet during his second term of office. His record is a bad one. He has shown himself an ultra-Zionist stooge. If he gets in a second time, the gloves will be off. There’ll be nothing to stop him losing ever vestige of restraint then.

      My two cents…

      If you are capable of a polite response, by all means respond. But as far as I’m concerned, your hero is dead loss. America deserves better than this: a choice between Trump and Biden — two equally dangerous psychopaths.

      1. Let me deal with this backwards:

        If you are capable of a polite response, by all means respond.

        You of all the people should not be asking this, because on the previous occasion you called me an
        OUTRIGHT LIAR.
        (Without me having ever said anything insulting to you then or since)
        What was my response?
        Nothing, I wanted to convince myself of iron self-control—polite enough for you?
        But it is not forgotten and I would advise you against going down that road because the powder is indeed dry.
        In my book gratuitous ad hominem ranks slightly above necrophilia and in the accursed JeWest both behaviors are quite normative, an evolutionary adaptation to stealthily enforced and subconsciously adapted-to circumstances, so I will cut you some slack. Some.

        Now let me answer the primary challenge and do so in a separate window so as not to contaminate two unrelated matters.

      2. Lobro, if I called you an “outright liar”, I apologize. It’s before I knew you. You were a complete stranger to me and I am myself a relative newcomer to this website.

        However, I perceive I am going to have problems with you if you never forgive or forget an insult. You remind me, by the way — and this is not an insult but may be taken as a compliment — of one of those fierce guard dogs whose hackles are always up, ever on the lookout for potential enemies.

        Are you a Christian, by the way? Because if you are, I would ask you to remember these words of Jesus Christ: “FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THEM THAT TRESPASS AGAINST US. 🙂

      3. @ LOBRO,

        Potential enemies are capable of becoming friends, remember that. Historical fact that may interest you. Hitler’s most faithful follower was Goebbels, loyal to the death and implementing all Hitler’s policies. He began off as an enemy, opposing Hitler at every turn. His hatred of Hitler suddenly turned into devout admiration. Think of that, Lobro, and learn from that lesson.

      4. this is my main reply, although the first posted re. “politeness” has sunk and will presumably porpoise soon.

        Point by point as follows:

        […] assuming they are true and not taken from dubious sources

        This suggests that Wikipedia’s claims are somehow skewed in favor of Trump, i.e., minimizing casualties during his term and inflating them for Obama.
        Wikipedia IS dubious, no argument there. But consider the kind of dubiosity—this is what a litigation lawyer would do—there is a notion that they and I (not being a lawyer but able to follow their logic) see as the best of courtroom weaponry, namely the statement against interest.
        Which of the two candidates do you think Wikipedia prefers—consider them as card carrying member of the same mob, e.g., MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo, ABC, Bloomberg, BBC (unfortunately, it used to be a class act once before finding lifetime employment in the same propaganda brothel), and so on, you get the idea.
        Tell me a single instance when even one of them said anything kindly disposed or even neutral to Trump.
        Presently they are announcing a preemptive violent insurrection, military and popular on November 3, unless Biden is conceded clear win.
        So these numbers stand and if anything are misreported against Trump.
        And the common consent in this thread says that a 40 thousand (plus) annual sparing of Syrian lives is of no consequence or the proportionate reduction in Palestinian casualties reported earlier (from academic sources—equally dubious?!).
        Fine, then let’s agree that from now on numbers are of no consequence nor the human lives each one represents, the debate does not concern human lives only airy fairy notions, whatever, I am lost here what are we discussing, UFO’s?

        your [Lobro’s] psychopath is loathed by the Palestinians for handing over Palestine to the Jews.

        Right, Trump handed Palestine over to Jews, the previously Free Palestine, Israel came into inception on Jan 21, 2017. Truly shameful, what a paradise on earth Palestine would be without Trump, just like in days of Obama (and GW Bush, and Bill Clinton, and GWH Bush, and Reagan the Dispensational Chabad cultist)

        Previous presidential psychopaths did not move the American embassy to Jerusalem or hand over the Golan Heights to Israel.

        More of the same, as if affixing the shingle of “Amerikan Embassy” on one building as opposed to another rearranges planetary orbits or something—such a UGE, UGE deal ain’t it, when all it is is a cheap publicity stunt to confuse MSM enemies looking to get a grip on something to beat him over the head with.
        As for Golan Heights, I was under clear delusion that they for all intents and purposes “belonged” (yes, I understand the difference, e.g., “Elgin marbles belong to the UK”) to Israel since 1973 Yom Kippur war (presently celebrated with kolnidre, kaparot sacrifices, etc, worldwide—wouldn’t have happened w/o Trump, no sir).
        Like Chief Brownhawk saying that Tennessee belongs to the USofA, what a traitor to the First Nations, he personally gave it away!

        […] picked on Iran most viciously and reneged on America’s previous nuclear deal with Iran when Iran is absolutely guiltless.

        I seem to recall that in the aftermath of 2016 election, in these threads Trump was going to be judged on a number of foreign policy outcomes, one of which was NOT starting a war with Iran—what happened, a “moving goal post” phenomenon?
        As for “reneging on America’s previous nuclear deal with Iran”, rather than focusing all attention on hype, consider for a moment the actual outcomes, a bit more challenging but also (imo) rewarding pastime—the following analysis applies equally well to Russia and China.
        Obama’s deal was pure Kabbalist conjuration, in order to bind Iran into a straitjacket, just like they previously did it with Saddam and Gaddafi, all nice and friendly, we are allies yes, and then when sufficiently weakened, give a color revolution attempt or two, populace divided, some false flags and then accuse them of non-compliance followed by a cascade of UN resolutions, threats and … WAR, shock-and-awe/shekinah.
        Instead, Trump liberated them and let them pursue their military goals, Iran today is incomparably stronger than 4 years ago, battle hardened troops, native weaponry of the world class capability—Israel *SHITS* herself at the prospect of squaring up to Iran, the Revolutionary Guardsmen practically straddling the Syria-Israel border—ISIS defeated, survivors packed up, gone back to Uighur-land where China will teach them house rules insha’allah.

        This is the truth on the ground, how’s that for answering your challenge, POLITELY.
        And ditto for Russia and China, not to mention the broadening network inclusive of Venezuela.
        Not to mention catastrophical, rapidly decaying Western networks and structures, NATO, EU, NAFTA, TPP and a slew of other globalist tumors, the collapse of the USD coming at you like a runaway train, another “trump” card knocked out of the globalist wandering tribe’s hand.

        And feel free to revisit my statements of 4 years ago, tell me where I altered my predictions to fit the outcomes.
        I answered your challenge, let ANYONE answer mine.
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        BTW, I mustn’t forget: regarding the vote and the election outcome I quite agree with and respect Circassian’s thinking: put this rabid beast down asap rather than try to resuscitate the cadaver—VOTE BIDEN, let’s get it over with since it seems to agree with the popular opinion, every vote withheld is half a vote pro-Biden.

      5. @ LOBRO

        Well, you’ve got it all off your chest, and I hope you feel better for this angry rant. For the main emotion here, quite unmistakably, is WHITE-HOT ANGER AND BITTER HATRED for any viewpoint except your own. You simply cannot see that none of your arguments are one whit stronger or more convincing by your constant use of acerbic sarcasm and high decibel rage. You really do need to calm down! 🙂

      6. @ LOBRO

        Let me just point out ONE of your inconsistencies: your attitude to sources.

        You say you took your figures from Wikipedia and justify doing this, even though you sheepishly admit that Wikimedia is a “dubious source”. Well, that’s honest of you. But please, dear brother in arms, try and understand this: I am not against Wikipedia as a source. As you wrongly assume. I know Wikipedia is owned by Jews, but I don’t think Wikipedia has anything to gain by lying and making up statistics.

        LD has constantly quoted Wikipedia in her articles, even on the Occidental Observer, and quoting Wikipedia is OK as far as Kevin MacDonald is concerned. In other words, Lobro, no need for you to half-apologize for quoting Wikipedia. Far better for a political dissident like you to quote a mainstream source that is generally respected than to quote, as you have been doing in the past, sub-standard material taken from extremist fringe websites known for concocting conspiracy theories.

        So where is your “inconsistency”? Herein, Lobro. You appear to quote mainstream sources ONLY when the mainstream source supports your viewpoint! 🙂

        Recently you quoted the New York Times, for example, to make an important point. I remained silent. I saw no reason to question your source or distrust it. You had made a strong point and the New York Times link was an appropriate clincher. So you have my approval, not my disapproval, for clinching your argument by having it reinforced by such a widely respected authority as the New York Times.

        Your inconsistency lies in your double standards, Lobro: the fact that when someone else quotes a highly respected mainstream source which says something you cannot bear to hear — then you start screaming and shouting your disapproval! 🙂

        I remember distinctly when an anti-Stalin article was published on this site some time ago, reinforcing its arguments proving that Stalin was a psychopathic mass murderer, guilty of the deaths of over 20 million of his own people, you tried to diss the article by sneering at its highly respected mainstream sources. One of those impeccable sources, Lobro, was WIKIPEDIA!!! Other sources were highly respected British academics who had specialized in Russian history: Robert Service and Robert Conquest. You sneered at Robert Service, a man of impeccable reputation who had done 40 years of meticulous research behind him, by stating that he was on the Jewish payroll. Not to be trusted one inch! 🙂

        Well, I’m sorry Lobro, you can’t do this. You can’t quote Wikipedia in support of your own arguments when it suits you and reject Wikipedia as a source when it doesn’t suit you! 🙂 Because if it’s also a reliable source when it suits you, it’s also a reliable source when it suits someone else!

        What is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander. Right?

        So, no more DOUBLE STANDARDS please! 🙂

      7. We have no problem with anyone citing Wikipedia or the New York Times as reliable sources. Truthseeker, a website we trust, even publishes articles by Reuters, the Daily Mail and the Guardian, just as the Darkmoon site has done. We will continue to make use of mainstream sources as well as the alternative media so as to maintain a healthy balance between the orthodox and the unorthodox. Our readers are intelligent enough to draw their own conclusions.

        I can honestly say we are neutral in regard to Trump, though it is perfectly true we have published far more anti-Trump articles than pro-Trump ones. This is only because finding good pro-Trump articles is almost impossible.

        If any Trump supporter on this site can find an exceptionally well-written pro-Trump article, please send it us as a link in the comment section and we will publish it to show our good will and neutrality — but it will have to pass muster as a well-written article worth publishing — if possible from a highly respected mainstream source OR from a respected alternative media source like the Unz Review, the Occidental Observer or Truthseeker.

      8. Saki, I have no problem with forgiveness, none at all, it is instant the instant requested, so count it done.
        And I have absolutely zero problem with contrary opinions although this may not be so apparent, due to the supporting arguments and evidence—if weaker than the ones I marshal, it bothers me in a way that futility bothers me—a waste of everyone’s time.
        Do you play chess?
        If so, you will understand how certain configurations spell a near sure win for one side, yet if the other persists in uselessly prolonging the hopeless and hopelessly boring game, he is demeaning everyone including himself and this could provoke resentment.
        It is not quite analogous to our case(s) because it is true that my defense of Trump is not a 100% deal but on the balance of probabilities, it ought to be overwhelmingly clear that his brand of badness (lesser of evils) is not even 5% of Biden’s train that would propel him into the Oval Office—Trump is a one man show as opposed to Biden’s legion as in Ephesians 6:12 (For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.)
        I made previous reference to Marina Abramovic and the legion of satanists, including Gates btw, all the unpeople who viscerally hate Trump, yes including unPope Francis.
        I don’t want to drag this line of argument out but I recommend to everyone (I think Kapoore knows and has already referred to it) to take stock of where this unholy crowd lines up in the election sweepstakes, not just Hellary, not just the Rothschilds, Soros—name any open celebrant of Satan, spirit coking gourmand of corpse-desserts, child molestation, torture, murder and sacrifice and show me ONE who supports Trump.
        Antifa are the very same organization that in 1920s and 30s opposed Hitler, take a look.
        Well, if you think that in 1933, the choice between Hitler and his Frankfurt School opposition was so negligible as not to bother voting, then fine, I do accept the parallel to the current consent (Antifa/Proud Boys/Biden/Trump, meh, what’s the diff).

        As to my supposedly hypocritical cherry picking clearly biased sources, accepting this and rejecting that, I guess I didn’t make my rationale clear enough—here is a quick parallel.
        If police are interrogating a suspect and he claims innocence as opposed to an unwitting or unwilling admission of partial guilt, which one would the cops give greater weight to?
        Yes, same here, don’t let’s drag that out.
        By the way, who coined the term Red Terror? Robert Conquest. And he built his entire career on that single phrase, so he clearly had skin in the game and I provided ample evidence of Service’s service in various neocon thinktanks plus reams of links to his articles demonizing Putin—so what more is there to discuss?
        If I am a total ignoramus about these matters as everyone seems to believe, and maybe you hail from those lands (Saki-Scythian, isn’t it), then let The Saker’s Reading the “Traitors” – a Good or a Bad Idea? speak on the issue (a lengthy one well supported by citations and footnotes)—it should not be missed by anyone interested in the topic.
        Okay?
        One more thing: I just emailed the DM site a particular screengrab from a DM article that I think speaks volumes if the curios item is spotted and I asked them to forward it to you—for your private consideration.
        No need to carry it forward, I think it is as funny as it is edifying.

        One more thing, generally speaking:
        contrary to perceptions, I LERV being corrected when warranted.
        Why?
        Because if I am wrong and any human is invariably wrong at some point, otherwise the existence itself would be pointless and I can look back and say that on dozens or hundreds of occasions I’ve been horribly, embarrassingly wrong, then a correction is the most welcome thing in the world, a cure for the disease, so why should I deny or reject it?
        Provided the diagnosis and prescription are clearly warranted and even though doctors are occasionally right, I found on many occasions that they are equally likely to be “full of it“.
        In other words, caveat lector, be ye wise as serpents and innocent as doves, as the saying goes, a truth spoon-fed is no truth at all but a sure poison.

      9. Lobro,

        Go in peace. Let’s not be side-tracked and enervated by engaging in time-consuming wrangles. Making personal enemies on websites is not my idea of fun. I’d rather enjoy “the feast of reason and the flow of soul”. Ah, what I would give for a glass of rare vintage with my true love as we sit on a balcony by the sea and watch the happy dolphins dancing in the distance. But my true love is dead.

        PAX.

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    I’m not voting because of blah blah blah the palestinians blah blah blah I can not in good conscience vote blah blah blah because of the palestinians blah blah blah i would LERV to vote but i’m not going to vote because of blah blah blah the palestinians there really aren’t any other issues to think about except the palestinian issue blah blah blah everything on the domestic front is wonderful so no reason to vote for domestic stuff everything is okay on the domestic front so what other issue is there to think about except !the palestinian issue! !blah blah blah blah! and nothing is being done about the blah blah blah the palestinian issue by either party so there’s no reason to vote because the palestinian issue is THE ONLY ISSUE in the whole world so blah blah blah blah blah both parties have the same policy platform there’s NO difference between blompf and biden blah blah blah tweedle dee & tweddle dum blah blah blah as a Spiritual Being of Higher Consciousness I absolutetly refuse blah blah blah to sully and blemish Myself by voting for the “lesser evil” for I AM so FAR ABOVE evil I’m totally Above The Fray that’s how blah blah blah Spiritually Advanced I AM along My Cosmic Path of Soul Fulfillment and as everyone knows or should know evil is actually quite mundane and boring and there’s NOTHING about ME which is boring or ordinary or stereotypical or mundane everyday-ish I AM like so totally A LIGHT BEING WORKER I simply can NOT vote I AM WHO I AM AM going to be busy on election day swirling and twirling a white&black palestinian keffiyeh on my head and then do my daily Tantric Yoga I always dedicate my Tantric Yoga Work-Outs to Kali and if that blompf THAT basTURD WINS and Hindu Kamala loses I”M GOING TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!! But NO, I myself don’t vote, I don’t think anyone should vote. It’s just voting for the lesser evil and Kali doesn’t like that. Kali is PURE, PURE LUHV PURE INTELLIGENCE. I blah blah blah drink Green Tea every morning, I don’t do coffee, I AM TOO SUPERIOR Above everyone else for coffee. I don’t vote, I’m not even going to vote for Kamala even though in a way not voting is actually a type of voting, in this coming election not to vote is actually a vote for THE DEMOCRATS so I always encourage Joe-&-Jane Six Pack to stay home and not vote because if the Magatards stay home and don’t vote that helps Kamala-biden A LOT — and Kali knows, they need ALL THE HELP THEY CAN GET! The Goddess Kali is ALL about PURE LUHV & PURE INTELLIGENCE! DON’T VOTE WHITEYS!!!!! DON’T BE AN EVIL WHITEY AND VOTE!!! BE A GOOD WHITEY AND STAY HOME ON ELECTION DAY AND DON’T VOTE. I Myself don’t vote, I’m TOO Spiritually Pure to vote, ya’ gotta believe Me! 😏

    ADMIN: Shorter comments would be appreciated,
    with less repetition and shorter paragraphs.

    1. THEREALORIGINALJOE:

      Your comment sounds like a broken record. Tiresome and irritating to read.
      How do Palestinians fit in here on why you vote?

  4. The author completely misapprehends Jesus saying “be in the world but not of it”. Engaging in ANY of these kinds of worldly affairs which lends credibility to a false posture of authority IS being “of it”.

    Jesus was born into an Essene family for a very telling reason. He and they knew PRECISELY where true authority lies. “Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s” being yet another disingenuous quote alleged to have been spoken by Jesus in the (not so holy) Bible

  5. Some might point to the 2016 election as an example of the futility of voting. Certainly Donald Trump has been a huge disappoint, even for someone such as myself who had a rather low expectations from the beginning. I have to believe that those who are most bitterly disillusioned had unrealistic hopes for the Trump presidency.

    So it was unrealistic to expect Trump to withdraw from Afghanistan? It was unrealistic to expect him to quit supporting the Saudi war against Yemen? It was unrealistic to expect him to NOT persecute Julian Assange? It was unrealistic to expect him to NOT expand the illegal occupation of Syria and to attack Syrian government forces and to steal Syrian oil? It was unrealistic to expect him to NOT try to overthrow the government of Venezuela? Seriously?

    There were many indications during 2016 that if elected Mr. Trump would have a rough time of it. First, he ran against both the Democratic and Republican parties. Thus after his surprise victory he did not have firm control of his party in Congress.

    So how much “firm control of his party” would he have needed to NOT demand that Russia return Crimea; or to NOT commit a war crime by attacking the Shayrat airbase in Syria?

    As for his own executive branch, he did not have a likeminded cadre to staff his administration.

    So it’s just an unfortunate accident of fate that despite the unprecedented personnel turnover rate of the Trump administration (according to a study by the Brookings Institution) he somehow always ends up surrounded by scumbags who disagree with him on everything?

    How would the author explain the fact that U.S. troops are still occupying Syria for example? Trump claims to have fired Mattis allegedly because Mattis was opposed to his decision to get out of Syria, yet here we are some 20 or 21 months later and Mattis is long gone (having been succeeded by two interim appointees followed by Esper) yet the troops are not only still in Syria but presiding over the stealing of Syrian oil and burning of Syrian crops. Something doesn’t make sense here.

    This might not have been an insurmountable problem if Trump had had patience and a firm ideological grounding. But his temperament interfered with finding and supporting strong lieutenants with administrative skills.

    How much of an “ideological grounding” would a reasonable person need to avoid flirting with WW3? If only he had “strong lieutenants with administrative skills” he wouldn’t have single-handedly trashed the framework of nuclear arms control, apparently starting a new nuclear arms race and bringing the world closer to “doomsday” than ever before (according to the “Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists”)? I’m skeptical.

    With his executive branch stonewalling and subverting his policies, with a largely hostile media and judiciary, and without the full support of his own party, it is no wonder Trump has floundered.

    That’s funny, I don’t remember any instance of any meaningful political opposition to any of Trump’s more controversial acts, such as starting or escalating the self-destructive trade war with China or exiting the INF treaty with Russia for example.

    And here’s Trump himself claiming that he has a “right” to do whatever he wants to do as president:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl_gO3uOds8

    It seems strange to me that Trump would say these things, apparently being completely oblivious to his own abject political impotence.

    Finally it seems odd to me that if Trump was as stonewalled, subverted and made so utterly politically impotent as the author implies, that he would be so determined to stay in the white house, even if it means (according to Trump) spending millions of dollars of his own money and refusing to acknowledge the election results if he loses?

    In fact Trump has even gone so far as to suggest that he is “probably entitled” to more than two terms:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VWI1d4IEtw

    This doesn’t seem like the behavior of someone who was stymied in his efforts to do what he promised (and what he in good faith wanted to do).

    I have to conclude the author of this piece is full of crap, and he’s just throwing handfuls of crap at the wall hoping some of it sticks.

    1. Excellently reasoned, Harold. It’s a pity the pro-Trump advocates on this site lack your forensic skills and eloquence. They have failed to give a detailed point-by-point cluster of arguments for why anyone would wish to vote for Trump. In your diatribe against Trump, however, you omitted to mention his flagrant betrayal of the Palestinian people and his subservience to the war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu. For me this is sufficient reason not to vote for Trump. A vote for Trump is also a vote for Jared Kushner and Netanyahu and Adelson and AIPAC and all the Jewish moneybags who are funding Trump’s election campaign.

      1. Thanks for the kind words Saki.

        You’re right to mention my omission of Trump’s subservience to Netanyahu and wickedness in matters involving the Palestinians, as it’s another important example of Trump’s demonic character (if any more examples are necessary). And I agree that this alone would be more than enough reason for a morally competent person to not vote for Trump.

      2. I think your instincts are right in predicting a victory for Trump, on the grounds that he has already been “chosen” by the deep state as the ideal man to promote their agenda. Whichever way you cut the poisoned cake, dystopia lies ahead. I do believe that the fanatical Trump supporters will still be supporting Trump him even if he is convicted of cannibalism and several dead human bodies are found in his freezer. They will suddenly become convinced of the immense health benefits of cannibalism. 🙂

  6. I can understand the disappointment at both candidates. Neither of them is anywhere near perfect…
    And there is need to register protest…
    Yet it is a bit foolish to simlly ignore the entire process, as though anybody has the right to expect the everything they might imagine from the world, and more inadequate again to merely boycott….
    Boycotting can be a very effective way of influencing national policy, as the jews and germans well know from experience… but boycotting the voting process wlll only make the problem worse…. surely we all can get that… I’d like to hear what ye non-participants are doing to accredit yourselves otherwise instead of voting… i l you’re going to do is take your ball and go home, i think that’s rather an insult to the thousands who have sacrificed everything in order that you may have the right to vote… it’s a safe bet – the less you exercise your rights, less of them you will have…. i don’t like these guys too much either… but I understand I’m only a citizen and we’re all living in an imperfect world…. refusing to vote without doing anything else to affect the situation won’t make me a better person nor will it help my country…. look – think of something proactive that will help the government work right and at the same time make you grow… otherwise you’re not mature yet as a citizen…

    1. So now you’re guilt-shaming and lecturing us, Bark? Albeit in your oh-so-subtle manner.

      Show me some good old-fashioned Libertarianism in candidates running for political office and then I’ll rethink my Non-voting position. But I’m not holding my breath. That ship sailed outta the harbor a long time ago.

  7. Anecdotally speaking, I’ll go ahead and admit one more time that I only voted once in my life (1972 for McGovern) due to two factors. Plan A and Plan B. Plan A was voting for McGovern (fingers crossed) the outspoken anti-war candidate and Plan B which for me was the paramount factor, my Vietnam draft number was 83. (gulp)

    Plan B was to sneak into Canada like a warmback and (fingers crossed again) spend the duration in Lobro’s basement like any admittedly self serving self defensive person would. False pride be damned!

    Fortunately (I’ve always been lucky) and Nixon ended the draft the month I became eligible. Yes, Hip, Hip, Hurrah!

  8. I vote so my children can live in a better America and not voting is giving up my voice who should run the country I love.

    Maybe yesterday’s debate is what finally brings Americans all back together. We may not see everything eye to eye, but we can all agree that America deserves better than what we just witnessed yesterday. Biden looks old and weak and was not mentally sharp and the only time Trump stopped talking was when he was asked to condemn white supremacy.

    1. Mahmoud :

      You never sound like you love the United States, you always sound like you deeply dislike the country. By the way, to say “America” when you mean the United States is racist against Mexico, Central America, South America, for Mexico, Central America, and South America, are also America. There’s North America [ Canada, the USA, Mexico ], there’s Central America, and there’s South America, all of them are America. To say “America” when you mean the United States is dominating Yankee Empire hegemony over the NON-whites of Mexico, Central America, and South America, it’s like saying only the United States matters and only the Whites in the USA matter and the NON-whites don’t matter and that is wrong, that is like sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong.

      1. ADMIN: Mahmoud, Don’t refer to TheRealOriginalJpe as “TheRealOriginalJoe” or your comments will end up in our Spam folder. (This is because Joe is in Spamblinka). Refer to him as “TROJ” and your comment will be posted at once, without any delays.

        THEREALORIGINALJOE:

        You said, “You never sound like you love the United States” That is flat out lie!
        You confound me, even more, when you further said, ” you always sound like you deeply dislike the country” Are you fucking kidding me???

        First of all, I have done all my civic duty: I paid my taxes, voted in every election, served in the military, and yes, I have been summoned to appear for jury duty in a few days. If I may ask, how many of those duties have you done?!

        FYI, I have publicly praised the United States of America. See the article below that I wrote one year before I met Lasha, her sister Lucy, her cousin John, Ruth, Madam Butterfly, and Sard at the Ugly Truth. I make no bones about that I object and dislik the US foreign policy toward the Middle East and I am against the Muslim Ban. But that is my right. Let’s not forget that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. So, if you oppose abortion, does that make you anti-American because abortion is legal? I don’t think so! After all, I was willing and ready to die for America, I mean the United States if need be for 20 years. I don’t believe anyone is willing to do that if s/he dislikes or doesn’t love their country. The below article was published as a guest column in the Marion Star. The newspaper that once was owned by President Harding. I was delighted when a friend of mine who is freelance wrote to me to say that my article was posted on the web site of UCLA- The School of Public Policy and that it was ranked as number 3 out of 85 articles.

        MY BEST EID EVER
        America is more Muslim-friendly since 9/11, and more so than the rest of the western world

        By Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        Technical Sergeant, US Air Force (Ret.)
        October 16, 2007

        My best Eid ever in America was this year on Friday, Oct.12 as I celebrated the three-day feast marking the end of Ramadan. My oldest son Yousef came home on military leave to visit shortly before Eid. My 23-year-old daughter, Nadia, who teaches English and American culture in Europe also came home. She handed hand me as a surprise a pair of socks that I wore the exact day I came to America 30 years ago this month. That blew me away!

        For the first time ever, My family and I attended the Eid prayer not at a rented out sports complex or party hall, but at the newly built Noor mosque- an elegant and state of the art facility in Hilliard, Ohio.

        The first day of Eid began early Friday morning as I read messages in my inbox. The first message read:

        “The world-famous Empire State Building will be lit in green from Friday to Sunday in celebration of Eid-ul-Fitr.” This act of kindness warmed my heart and made my Eid a very special one. The green color in Islam is a symbol of a happy occasion.

        I was more delighted to read further that, “So far the landmark tower is lighted in traditional colors every year only on the occasions of Christmas and Hanukah. From this year on, lighting on Eid too will become an annual event.”

        The Empire State Building which is located in Manhattan has been recently nominated as America’s favorite building.

        Believe it or not, America is more Muslim-friendly since 9/11, and more so than the rest of the western world. In case you have any doubt, please read the three items that were reported this year:

        June 2, 2007, AP wire service story about Bilan Nur, a 22-year-old Somali woman from Phoenix, Arizona: She worked for several years for Alamo Rent-A-Car. The company fired her for refusing the take off her hijab (headscarf). Nur registered a complaint at the Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The EEOC sued the company. A federal jury said the company must pay her $288,000 for firing her for wearing the hijab. A federal judge agreed, and the company declined to comment. Yes, Justice is blind in America!

        July 20, 2007: According to the Chicago Tribune, two Muslim women from the Cincinnati area were able to get their driver’s license photographs wearing the hijab free of charge. This took place after clerks at separate bureau office wrongly demanded that the women remove the scarves for the photo.

        Tom Hunter, spokesman for the Department of Public Transportation sent a message to 216 state registrar’s offices informing staff that wearing the hijab while taking a photograph is allowed and legally exempt under Ohio law. Mr. Hunter stressed in his message that asking a Muslim woman to remove her hijab is like asking a non-Muslim woman to remove her shirt. That is a man of honor and integrity!

        Muslims were very proud and will never forget when on Sep.1, 2001 when the U.S. Postal Service expanded its Holiday Celebrations Series with a new stamp highlighting the Muslim holiday of Eid.

        The postage stamp was to honor and commemorate two important Islamic celebrations: Eid ul-Fitr and Eid al-Adha. Eid al-Adha commemorates Prophet Ibrahim’s (peace be upon him) willingness to sacrifice his son Ismail upon God’s commandment. The two Eids are usually two months and ten days apart.

        “The Eid stamp helps highlight the business, educational, and military contributions of the estimated seven million Muslims in our country whose cultural heritage has become an integral part of the fabric of our great nation.”

        There is another popular event called collective ‘Iftar” that take a place every year during Ramadan. Iftar is the meal eaten after sunset when the fast is broken. For many years, the White House, U.S. State Department, the Pentagon, all branches of the U.S. military, and St. James Episcopal Church of Columbus, Ohio host such an event. They meet Muslims and get to know who they are which helps break the stereotypes that Muslims face every day. To Muslims, that means recognition and respect.

        America does not need to spend millions of dollars on public relations campaigns at Al-Jazeera and other satellite networks in the Middle East to promote a positive image. The aforementioned acts of respect and goodwill gestures I mentioned will win the hearts and minds of Muslims here and abroad. Thank you, America for making this my best Eid Ever!

        Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        USAF Retired Veteran
        Reader Feedback: [email protected]

        Please don’t say I do not love America!

      2. TROJ:

        You said about me, “You never sound like you love the United States” That is flat out not accurate!
        You also said, ” you always sound like you deeply dislike the country” Are you fucking kidding me???

        First of all, I have done all my civic duty: I paid my taxes, voted in every election, served in the military, and yes, I have been summoned to appear for jury duty in a few days. If I may ask, how many of those duties have you done?!

        FYI, I have publicly praised the United States of America. See the article below that I wrote one year before I met Lasha, her sister Lucy, her cousin John, Ruth, Madam Butterfly, and Sard at the Ugly Truth. I make no bones about that I object and dislike the US foreign policy toward the Middle East and I am against the Muslim Ban. But that is my right. Let’s not forget that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. So, if you oppose abortion, does that make you anti-American because abortion is legal? I don’t think so! After all, I was willing and ready to die for America, I mean the United States if need be for 20 years. I don’t believe anyone is willing to do that if s/he dislikes or doesn’t love their country. The below article was published as a guest column in the Marion Star of Marion, Ohio

        MY BEST EID EVER
        America is more Muslim-friendly since 9/11, and more so than the rest of the western world

        By Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        Technical Sergeant, US Air Force (Ret.)
        October 16, 2007

        My best Eid ever in America was this year on Friday, Oct.12 as I celebrated the three-day feast marking the end of Ramadan. My oldest son Yousef came home on military leave to visit shortly before Eid. My 23-year-old daughter, Nadia, who teaches English and American culture in Europe also came home. She handed hand me as a surprise a pair of socks that I wore the exact day I came to America 30 years ago this month. That blew me away!

        For the first time ever, My family and I attended the Eid prayer not at a rented out sports complex or party hall, but at the newly built Noor mosque- an elegant and state of the art facility in Hilliard, Ohio.

        The first day of Eid began early Friday morning as I read messages in my inbox. The first message read:

        “The world-famous Empire State Building will be lit in green from Friday to Sunday in celebration of Eid-ul-Fitr.” This act of kindness warmed my heart and made my Eid a very special one. The green color in Islam is a symbol of a happy occasion.

        I was more delighted to read further that, “So far the landmark tower is lighted in traditional colors every year only on the occasions of Christmas and Hanukah. From this year on, lighting on Eid too will become an annual event.”

        The Empire State Building which is located in Manhattan has been recently nominated as America’s favorite building.

        Believe it or not, America is more Muslim-friendly since 9/11, and more so than the rest of the western world. In case you have any doubt, please read the three items that were reported this year:

        June 2, 2007, AP wire service story about Bilan Nur, a 22-year-old Somali woman from Phoenix, Arizona: She worked for several years for Alamo Rent-A-Car. The company fired her for refusing the take off her hijab (headscarf). Nur registered a complaint at the Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The EEOC sued the company. A federal jury said the company must pay her $288,000 for firing her for wearing the hijab. A federal judge agreed, and the company declined to comment. Yes, Justice is blind in America!

        July 20, 2007: According to the Chicago Tribune, two Muslim women from the Cincinnati area were able to get their driver’s license photographs wearing the hijab free of charge. This took place after clerks at separate bureau office wrongly demanded that the women remove the scarves for the photo.

        Tom Hunter, spokesman for the Department of Public Transportation sent a message to 216 state registrar’s offices informing staff that wearing the hijab while taking a photograph is allowed and legally exempt under Ohio law. Mr. Hunter stressed in his message that asking a Muslim woman to remove her hijab is like asking a non-Muslim woman to remove her shirt. That is a man of honor and integrity!

        Muslims were very proud and will never forget when on Sep.1, 2001 when the U.S. Postal Service expanded its Holiday Celebrations Series with a new stamp highlighting the Muslim holiday of Eid.

        The postage stamp was to honor and commemorate two important Islamic celebrations: Eid ul-Fitr and Eid al-Adha. Eid al-Adha commemorates Prophet Ibrahim’s (peace be upon him) willingness to sacrifice his son Ismail upon God’s commandment. The two Eids are usually two months and ten days apart.

        “The Eid stamp helps highlight the business, educational, and military contributions of the estimated seven million Muslims in our country whose cultural heritage has become an integral part of the fabric of our great nation.”

        There is another popular event called collective ‘Iftar” that take a place every year during Ramadan. Iftar is the meal eaten after sunset when the fast is broken. For many years, the White House, U.S. State Department, the Pentagon, all branches of the U.S. military, and St. James Episcopal Church of Columbus, Ohio host such an event. They meet Muslims and get to know who they are which helps break the stereotypes that Muslims face every day. To Muslims, that means recognition and respect.

        America does not need to spend millions of dollars on public relations campaigns at Al-Jazeera and other satellite networks in the Middle East to promote a positive image. The aforementioned acts of respect and goodwill gestures I mentioned will win the hearts and minds of Muslims here and abroad. Thank you, America for making this my best Eid Ever!

        ******
        So please don’t say I don’t love America`!

  9. Apathy?
    I guess I’m neither for nor against it…
    I mean, how can you be?
    But, that shoe will fit well on those who don’t vote and do nothing else to have any effect on the outcome….
    Maybe you can affect things with your thought-waves…
    Like the jarhead said in the Korea movie as his squad was taking refuge inside a cave, somebody said an enemy on the other mountain could just fire into the cave and hope for a ricochet – “sometimes they go this way (waving his fingers), sometimes they go that way”….
    I don’t doubt it…
    Isn’t that what is all about, writing stuff down, thoughts for people to absorb?
    Look, both candidates are firstly Zionist stooges…. if not they wouldn’t be there….
    Trump gives bibi the key to the whitey house, maybe because trump no longer reports to the jews at camp king david, just so we got that straight…..
    I’m not seeing usmc 1 stopping there now…. too obvious…
    Secondly they’re corporate shills, see how they both push the virus hoax…. it’s worth trilions…. and everycom will be using it to lay their tag and track id program on every body everywhere….
    The russians, the chinese?
    Our foes, right?
    Nuclear war is practically imminent, right?
    No, it’s fake news….
    ALL the Intel outfits are working for the SOS on the big globalist super-surveillance consummate control program coming up in the next few decades for all the godless transhumanist robotia….
    None of that means we can’t get a better deal with the chins in the meantime though…. does it?
    But it’s really that elite portion of the multi-national coporate hierarchy that’s been putting the screws to the American wkrking middle class for the last 30 years or so….
    All we have to do to fix the usa, make that first step forward, is stop importing stuff, including people, until everybody here is working and well enough off…. who’s stopping that from happening? NOT the chinnychins… they don’t have a thing to say about it, do they?

  10. I vote and I’ll be voting for Trump in this election. He has his personality quirks, he is either naive about the Middle East or maybe “takes a knee” to them out of necessity, and he gave away billions to the criminal pharmaceuticals for a vaccine which I oppose. Still, he is transparent by nature, and he hasn’t gotten us into additional wars. Basically, I’m terrified of the Democrats in power because of my experience living in California.

    For twenty years I was very involved in California politics. I drove downtown (L.A.) to testify in front of the Board of Supervisors, I went to countless political gatherings, walked the precincts, etc. I fought one big battle that gave my community a hiking trail. I even gave a party for a candidate and had about 200 people in my house… Then I wanted something back and that’s when the tide turned. I came to realize that my activism had installed a Party that had its own agenda and as long as I went along with it…fine… deviate from the path and I was “disappeared.” So, I know exactly what to expect if Joe Biden wins. Once they get the power they will pass laws to cement their power so they will never have any opposition. Similar to the Palestinians who don’t exist, the Republic as we know it will cease to exist, just as the Republic of California ceased to exist. Same people, same blindnesses. The only course open is not opposition which is useless but living as people did under the soviets–ignore all the laws they pass because they probably won’t chase you down. Live fake! If you resist openly, they’ll destroy you. Be silent, disobey. Not what most Americans have now in our free society. Freedom of speech, equal justice, will be disappeared overnight. Pedophiles will rule, language will lose its meaning, poverty everywhere, just look to California!

    1. An excellent comment, Kapoore, which gives me a lot to think about. This site has published quite a lot of anti-Trump material, but this is only because of the extreme paucity of good pro-Trump articles either in the mainstream media or in the alternative media. Your pro-Trump advocacy is therefore more than welcome, all the more so as you have experienced at first hand the horrors of living in a state where the Democrats hold sway.

    2. @ Kapoore

      We know that Trump has directly or indirectly murdered people in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Palestine, Afghanistan and Venezuela. Knowing this, if you vote for Trump, and he continues to directly and/or indirectly murder people in such far away places, you will share in the moral responsibility for it.

      I realize that most Americans (apparently including you) don’t seem to have much of a problem with this.

      But what many if not most Americans don’t realize is that Trump is taking actions and implementing policies that will ultimately damage if not destroy America.

      For example, you live in California. And you think things are bad there now? I wonder what will it be like in California when the evil orange clown destroys the semiconductor industry there.

      Presently, semiconductors are apparently California’s top export (by value).

      https://www.semiconductors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/California-2019-Final.pdf

      In order to try to hurt China, the evil orange clown was willing to make U.S. consumers pay much higher prices for Chinese manufactured goods by imposing high tariffs. And in order to try to hurt China, the evil orange clown was willing to trash markets for U.S. agricultural products in China that took U.S. farmers decades to develop.

      https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/10/trump-is-ruining-our-markets-farmers-lose-a-huge-customer-to-trade-war—-china.html

      And now in yet another desperate move to try to hurt China, the evil orange clown has weaponized the semiconductor industry. In his effort to try to deprive Chinese manufacturers of U.S. made semiconductors, he’s fueling the rise of competition that will ultimately hurt U.S. semiconductor manufacturers if not put them out of business.

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-03/china-is-said-to-plan-broad-chip-sector-support-to-counter-trump

  11. Agree that voting for potus is a farce as ever since they killed JFK every candidate has been a zionist puppet, however I believe in voting for state and county offices as these positions have a direct effect on our lives, and here in Montana we have a radical left wing governor running for the US senate and a radical left wing ex California running for the US house and both are gun grabbers and under demon-rat control by Shumer and Pelosi, and to not vote in this election would be unpatriot.

      1. I have been watching her for more than a decade. Posted it here for years. I stand by my claims also.
        I have personally seen local ballots tossed by Jaycees in Hot Springs, Arkansas in the ‘50s & 60s. Big surprise! 🙂
        I held elected office there. Saw political sausage made.
        Local bankers & land owners corral the power to oversee the theft.

      2. DF –
        I thought I made it clear that I have watched Bev for many years & posted the site here many times… That was especially true in the last presidential election. I stand by my claims of fraud in every election globally!

      3. @ Pat

        OK, so you don’t intend to vote. Which I approve of in the circumstances. But you must have some idea of who you think is going to win. What is your prediction? A victory for Trump or a victory for Biden?

        Right now the polls given Biden a 10 point lead. But many here believe, perhaps rightly, that polls are not to be trusted.

        According to a mainstream source, I gather the following. Please let me know if you think this is a reasonable supposition. My source says this: Trump will manage a narrow win on the day of the election, but postal votes will still have to be counted and this could take several weeks. When all the votes are in, Biden will emerge as the victor. Trump will then contest the election and say there has been cheating. Result: chaos, and possible violence in the streets. What say you to this predicted scenario from my mainstream source?

      4. Saki –
        Thanks….
        I agree with much of the guessing and believe SCOTUS will have the last word.

        Chaos & destruction ARE good for construction $$$ & jobs. The yahudi bankers win again! 🙁

  12. After some deliberation I have decided to vote for Biden. The logic behind my decision is simple: On the one hand, it is obvious to me that the majority of Americans will be voting for Trump; on the other – the closer the results of voting to fifty-fifty, the bigger the mess will be for the ultimate parasite and the ultimate corrupter of the world that America is.

    And that is exactly what I want. Therefore, I shall vote for Biden.

  13. @ Lasha,

    You live in London so I ask you. What’s going on in London? Did David Icke really get arrested? Did you go to the ANTI-lockdown protest in London a few days ago? You’re top one percent in the alternative media and David Icke is top one percent in the alternative media and you both live in London so I’m wondering if you know him. Do you know him? Did he really get arrested? If so, is he still in custody? What’s going on in London?

    1. Joe, “What’s going on in London?”, is the same as in the “old” colonies and elsewhere on the globe. Demockracee is going on. “Democracy and voting is to trust those that don’t trust their citizens to run their own lives”.
      Elected Governments love pandemics and war. It gives them the ability to impose controls on the population that the citizens of their nation would otherwise never accept. Creating institutions and mechanisms for imposing obedience is the strategy that always works flawlessly. So what is going on in London and the “mother country” is that “democracy has been officially suspended in 2020”.

      “Fantastic to have your support Bill (Gates). We will work with our friends around the world to ensure vaccines reach the poorest and deliver our five point plan to protect humanity against another pandemic. – Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) September 28, 2020”
      “Boris Johnson’s effusive response to a tweet from Bill Gates, which the public couldn’t comment on, and the draconian restrictions imposed on the UK without debate are indicative of the way democracy has been suspended in 2020.”
      https://www.rt.com/op-ed/502111-bill-gates-johnson-twitter/

  14. I vote or I don’t vote and still become a villain anyway – if I dont comply – in my own country.
    A “future vision” in a toxic presence of worldly apathy in man that is already here!
    As the voting distraction circus repeats itself in endless circles, in “worldly Oceania” our beloved and trusted political “elected” carers moving further into limitless fascism declaring all subject citizens non grata that will rebel against political correctness, lies and THE LAW.
    The law of non obedience will become crystal clear to those who criticize the “elected tyrants and their will” that rule the nation of “Oceania” spreading on to infest all other corners of the earth.
    A product of democracy, elections and a very dark future in the “luckiest country of the world” – Australia.

    The text below is included in the original 2016 Public Health Act of West Australia. An updated version of the act as of September 12, 2020 is also available on the government website and includes the same text.

    “(a) to apprehend and detain the person to whom the direction applies (the relevant person) and take the relevant person to a place where the person is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and
    (b) to detain the relevant person at the place where he or she is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and
    (c) to restrain the relevant person —
    (i) to enable a medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out; or
    (ii) to enable the relevant person to be vaccinated;
    (d) to remove anything (including underwear) that the relevant person is wearing, if —
    (i) the removal of the thing is reasonably necessary to enable a medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out or, as the case requires, to enable the person to be vaccinated; and
    (ii) the relevant person is given a reasonable opportunity to remove the thing himself or herself, and refuses or fails to do so.”
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/australian-state-law-empowers-officials-to-forcibly-remove-underwear-to-administer-vaccine
    So what will it be? Reaching out for more popcorn in comfort as BJORNTHORSONN suggested while being afraid of those one DID or DID NOT vote and while waiting in fear that the knocking on ones door is not for oneself?
    Tomorrow will be made out of today! What are we VOTING for?

  15. Lasha,

    You are a brilliant thinker and I do like your analogies when you said,

    “How can you vote when you can’t stand either candidate? How can you choose one of two dishes on the menu when you know both dishes are going to make you sick? [LD]”

    I am in the same dilemma. Yes, it is like choosing between two devils. But if I were to choose the lesser devil, it would make me feel better at the end of the day. Why? If I chose the lesser devil, it would diminish the other devil’s chances of winning the election. If I do not vote at all and the worse candidate wins, I can not bitch and complain because I helped him win by not casting my vote.

  16. Plato’s Cave Allegory:-

    “The allegory states that there exists prisoners chained together in a cave. Behind the prisoners is a fire, and between the fire and the prisoners are people carrying puppets or other objects. This casts a shadow on the other side of the wall. The prisoners watch these shadows, believing them to be real.”
    The Illusion
     Fire is the Political reality
     The people carrying puppets are the Illuminati and their puppets.
     The Shadows are the Parties and their political Elite
     The prisoners are the Masses, chains with Debt, in the Cave of Ignorance.

    The True Reality

    (1) These Parties are not real, but they are “reality Manufactures”
    (2) These “Leaders” are not your leaders. They are the puppets of the Illuminati Bankers.
    (3) Participation in political charades is acceptance of Illusion. A fake reality manufactures through Hegelian Dialectics
    (4) The Debt is Real, and the Cave is real.
    (5) WAKE UP AND WORK TO FREE YOURSELF FROM THE CHAINS OF DEBT

    1. Excellent comment, Bigfoot! I loved your reference to Plato’s cave.
      He made that analogy 300 years before Christ and it’s with us still!
      Plato was called “the first Christian” because his philosophy
      forms the bedrock of Christian mysticism through neoplatonism
      which is the stepping stone between Plato and Christianity.

  17. HAWK
    In ww2 they had a term for people who thought they weren’t on one side or the other – 8 Ball….
    it’s analogous… and the the kicker is – in the end the 8 Ball goes down anyway…
    i would bet there were many among the aboriginals who had the same thought about the boat people…
    not gonna get involved, remaining aloof…
    if you do vote, you’ve at least acknowledged you”re part of the game…
    i agree with MAHMOUD’s logic…
    He Right – there’s no such thing as not participating…
    if you don’t use your vote, you give it to someone else…
    but i understand SAKI’s position too, basically… I guess SAKI wants to live in a convent…
    The world is my cloister?
    the real world requires choices and commitments…
    you can pretend to not be here, but you’re only kidding yourself…
    and be advised – the 8 Balls go out on the last boxcar, with nobody left to help them…
    KAPOORE
    YOU understand what’s happened to california and how it’s only going to get worse, since sacramento was able to fix the candidate endorsement process… dems in power will continue to import more and more foreigners, future democrats… and they intend to use their political power to rob white people, make em give what they have to the dem base of welfare idiots… anybody who’s too kool to vote, all you trump haters better know biden will jack this reparations thing right along with governor newsom and the rest of the violent antifa commie extortionists… it’s no joke… if they have their way, they’re not stopping, you’ll forfeit your property…
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/california-governor-newsom-signs-law-establishing-state-task-force-to-develop-reparations-for-slavery/

    1. Bark-
      Voting is a scam…. maybe the biggest in USA & the world. Non-elected entities have the final say. You know that happens even in Washington CA!

  18. Why I (would, if I had a chance) vote for Trump.
    Hearing Reveals US Govt’s Invisible Hand in Protests Around the World
    Trump admin CUT funding to OTF, a non-profit that supports protesters in places like Hong Kong, Lebanon, and IRAN

    Look at this crime by evil Trump, we can breathe a sigh of relief when Biden takes over and restores normalcy. Pay attention to bipartisan opposition to Trump by AIPAC congressional stooges, why is that if he is such a loyal servant of Judes?

    Pack was appointed in June and started a big shakeup at the US state media outlets run by the USAGM, like Voice of America and Radio Free Asia. Pack fired senior staffers, pushed out management, and froze funding.

    During last week’s hearing, Democrats and Republicans on the committee teamed up to attack Pack for his purges. But what seemed more important to Congress and former USAGM officials was Pack’s move to freeze funds to the Open Technology Fund (OTF).

    More, Jews are angry, angry, aanggrry …

    Ambassador Karen Kornbluh, who sits on the board of the OTF, also testified and spoke of how the OTF helps protest movements. “OTF has a long history of supporting internet freedom efforts, and was poised to expand its efforts in Hong Kong,” Kornbluh said. “It was going to serve support for circumvention tools and expand support for digital training.”

    Kornbluh explained that the USAGM froze OTF funds before China’s national security law for Hong Kong came into effect.

    Clear proof of Trump-Xi collusion (and I mean it, no tongue-in-cheek this time, yes, Trump-Putin-Xi another claim I upheld since day one), there are moves that count and the window-dressing ones like that embassy stunt that don’t.
    Denial of Trump return will restore and promote freedom around the globe, Hong Kong, Belarus, Iran, Venezuela—the future looks bright, like Morningstar (Lucifer).

  19. As Bigfoot already explained. There is nothing to vote for.

    And I actually believe that is a good thing.

    An actual Democracy would be just as horrible as is the current fake one. The average citizen is not qualified to decide the best course a country should take. I would be less horrified if it was an Aristocracy, provided it is absolutely Judenfrei.

    I’d rather have a capable man, or a group of capable men, in charge who/which actually works for the country’s best interest. I’ll guarantee any country will have superior results compared to any Democracy, whether real (which never existed anywhere, EVER) or fake like ours.

    And another thing, nobody hands over the power to anyone voluntarily. Not the Judencracy, and neither would any benevolent dictator. That’s not how nature works. Democracy is a totally ridiculous concept, 100% unnatural, a conspiracy, obviously dreamt up by Juden as a way to destroy all civilisation on this planet.

    Current situation is a result of foolish and worthless Shabbats. But they will pay, oh they’re gonna pay.

  20. I do not appreciate President Trump’s racist and xenophobic national origin-based attack targeting Muslim Congresswoman Ilhan Omar (D-MN) in which he claimed that one of the first Muslim women elected to Congress is not part of “our country.”

    Let’s not forget that the theUnited States is a country made up of refugees & immigrants, Early settlers marginalized the natives -the people who were her first and Trump is doing now the same thing to a courageous Muslim refugee from Somalia who become the first Muslim women to be elected to US Congress. Why not welcome refugees who entered the United States legally, just like I did?

    1. “……….Muslim Congresswoman Ilhan Omar (D-MN) ……..”

      and “…….Muslim refugee from Somalia who become the first Muslim women to be elected to US Congress. ”

      and

      “Why not welcome ‘refugees’ who enter the US legally, just like he did?” he asks.

      Well, ladies and gentlemen Darkmooners , if these sort of freakish abominations not totally wake you up to the devastating consequences of ‘Democracy’ for any civilised country I don’t know what will. Because they can only occur in a ‘Democracy’.

      And you know what else? These so-called muslims are sooooooo religious and faithful to their precious islam, you wouldn’t believe it. Everywhere they are allowed in to parasite on the host population ……. ( and commit an exceptionally high amount of crimes like state benefit fraud, robbery, rape and murder…..by the hundreds of thousands in the whole white civilisation, I kid you not. And remember, they are presumably not NATO or US soldiers working for the Jew in third world countries ordered to commit crimes but ordinary civilians, peaceful muuuzlims who are of the so-called religion of peace, the islam ( in reality they are enemy invaders ) who come to the civilised countries begging for a better existence because their own shithole countries cannot provide for an ever growing population of low IQ inbreds ) ……… they always, and I mean ALWAYS, as a RULE almost, side with the Jew, their ALLEGED enemy. They ALWAYS vote without exception for the most extreme leftnut Bolshevik party they can find. You want to know why? Well, there’s an answer to that too. And that is that those Bolshevik parties are the best buddies with the muuuzlims invaders and they hand out all kinds of goodies, like all kinds of benefits, and there are MANY, all invented by these Jews to support those poor-and-discriminated-against-in-white-countries muuuuzlims, at the expense of the host white productive population.

      That these Bolshevik parties are also pushing – very succesfully thanks to the muuuuuzlims’ vote among others’- all kinds of sick perversions, like normalising homosexuals, homosexual/lesbian marriage, adoption for homosexual/lesbian ‘couples’, transgenderism, you name it, these holy religious noble peaceful muuuuzlims support it and don’t give a f ck about that, as long as they benefit from it. And if that isn’t enough they turn any nice first world neighborhood into a third world ghetto. I guess they feel more at home that way.

      Oh yeah, they’re so noble and sincere these muuuuzlims, ….. oh, and soooo religious too. Who wouldn’t want them in their country, mmm?

      1. This comment by whatever his number is contained Islamophobic and racist rhetoric. No more no less. The author makes outlandish claims and spreads false information about Muslims and Islam., and followers traded in conspiracies and false information. He lacks any credibility. He uses ” I kid you not” as the only source for his information.

        For a moment, I thought I was at the Naked Islam website. What a pity!

      2. I am indeed racist and islamophobic, you’re damn right I am! And what about it? What sane person wouldn’t be racist and ‘islamophobic’? That’s not being prejudice, that’s POST-judice.

        I am also speaking truth about muzlim ‘immigrants’ ( invaders ) committing robbery, rape and murders in white countries on an industrial scale while they are protected by the jew controlled courts and ‘governments’. Anyone denying that has either 3 metres shit in their eyes or are just plain lyers, like most muslims are. At least, so it appears.

        Why I call you a liar? I’ll tell you why ……. because only just after reading my comment you thought you were on ‘the Naked Islam website’, whatever the hell that is?? How ’bout all the articles concerning these matters published right here on Darkmoon you can find on the right side of this page, huh?

        You also want to deny that the vast majority of muslims in white countries always vote for the most anti-white parties which also push the hardest for the most sickest of perversities, like normalising homosexuals, homosexual marriage, adoption for homosexuals, transgenderism etc. because these parties are also the most ferocious pro-muzlim and third-world immigration, and the most jew infested political parties which are the most generous benefactors to these ‘immigrants’??? THAT is why I call you a straight up LIAR!! Mr. holier-than-thou-devout muuzlim.

        So yes, I am racist and islamophobic. I am also speaking truth, while you, like most of these so-called holier-than-thou-devout-muzlims ‘immigrants’, are a hypocritical, lying, spineless whore for emigrating to the most degenerated – that means, the most OPENLY degenerated – jew-run place you can find on this planet, which also happens to be destroying many muzlim countries on jew’s orders. And even join its armed forces. And for what? Why, I’ll tell you for what; to gain a ‘better life’. That means a MATERIALLY better life. Never mind all the openly promoted perversions your children must endure while living there and the joining in into the wonderful club of US citizens who pay taxes to fund all this.

        Anything else to say?

      3. @ 1138

        I am indeed racist and islamophobic, you’re damn right I am! And what about it? What sane person wouldn’t be racist and ‘islamophobic’?

        (RANT . . . RANT . . . RANT . . . RANT . . . RANT)

        So yes, I am racist and islamophobic.

        (RANT . . . RANT . . . RANT . . . RANT . . . RANT)

        Anything else to say?

        Yes. Mahmoud el-Yousseph has my full backing. He doesn’t take pride like you in being a lump of dog shit. He doesn’t brag about being a racist psychopath who belongs in a nuthouse for retarded criminals. You do that, and expect applause.

        You won’t get it. You will simply get boos and hisses.

        Shout a bit louder, Mr Retardo! Froth a bit more at the mouth! Let’s have some more slime green vomit issue from your stinky gaping mouth so that we can all line up and pelt you with rotten eggs! 🙂

        Madame Butterfly,
        (A White Christian who is NOT a liberal but who has read the Quran and has the deepest reverence for its wise teachings).

      4. Utterly predictable.

        I just knew for sure that Madame B. would jump to de defense of the poor muslim invader. Like all those other half-wits are doing while sporting “welcome refugees” signs in Germany, France, Sweden, Great-Brittain, etc. while the rape-fugees ( of whom VERY MANY are muslims ) are pouring in from all sides. But not with anything to repudiate any of what I said of course. And I didn’t even mention the narcotic trade, stolen cars trade or the trade in women done hugely by many of these noble muslims from Morocco, Turkey, Albania, Paki’s in UK, etc. etc. Guess Madame B. is ever so grateful to Merkel & co for importing all these noble muslims. I wonder why.

        But this all aside, you are entirely missing the point, as usual, I suppose. My rant was justified because when ANYONE critisizes muslims for doing the slightest thing wrong MR righteous muslim here is always jumping on his high and mighty moral horse about RAYYYCISM against muslims. Anyone denying that the import of millions of muslims into white countries wasn’t a total disaster ( which was precisely the intention ) for those societies is either an imbecile, a lyer or both,

        You are tHE prime example of jew’s nr.1 foot soldier in white societies and the main cause of our decline.

        Well, you got to hand it to the muslims, they keep their women tightly under control and don’t put up with that kind of erratic behaviour mainly caused by ‘democracy’ and women’s rights. But not to worry, the jew is working day and night to establish exactly that in muslim countries.

      5. @ 1138

        “I just knew for sure that Madame B. would jump to de defense of the poor muslim invader. Like all those other half-wits are doing while sporting “welcome refugees” signs in Germany, France, Sweden, Great-Brittain, etc. while the rape-fugees ( of whom VERY MANY are muslims ) are pouring in from all sides…. And I didn’t even mention the narcotic trade, stolen cars trade or the trade in women done hugely by many of these noble muslims from Morocco, Turkey, Albania, Paki’s in UK, etc. etc. “Guess Madame B. is ever so grateful to Merkel & co for importing all these noble muslims. I wonder why ….. etc etc. etc”

        You know something? I feel very sorry for low-brow dumb jerks like you who lash out at me for opinions I do not hold! I hold the OPPOSITE views, cretin!

        I have never carried placards saying “WELCOME REFUGEES”! I hate those placards and the stupid brainwashed idiots who carry them!

        I am AGAINST mass immigration, not FOR it!

        I am AGAINST Angela Merkel, not FOR her! She is a total menace and has done Germany incalculable harm.

        I am AGAINST White genocide by the mongrelization of races!

        I am against ALL rapists, including Muslim rapists who invade our Western countries as bogus refugees!

        I have nothing against Mahmoud. For the simple reaaon that Mahmoud is less likely to rape a woman than YOU are! White men are also enthusiastic rapists, in case you forgot. Official statistics show that more white men commit rape in America and the UK than Muslim immigrants do. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

        I will forgive you this time, mister, making allowances for your low intelligence and bad manners, but do not ever attack me again for saying things I never said.

      6. Well said, Butterfly Lady. I don’t think you’ll get anywhere by entering into dialogue with the likes of “1138”. Anyone who chooses a number instead of a name is obviously more robotic than human. His comment is singularly stupid since your opinions are the very opposite of the opinions he moronically ascribes you.

      7. Again, entirely off point. Can’t handle the truth to save their sorry lives. I never implied Mahmoud was a rapist or criminal you incredible Korsakov syndrome suffering imbecile. His whining about discrimination against muslim is what brought my rant up.

        Why don’t you open up another bottle and finish it before you trot off to the next AA meeting.

        And tag this sorry Saki character along with ya.

      8. 1138:

        If I do not respond to your ridicules claims is because I believe in the infamous expression,
        “Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It.”

        I am a strong Muslim and not a poor one. Contrary to your poppycock, I am not an invader. An invader is the one who enters another country illegally and or by the use of force. Muslims like me living in America are assets and not a liability. Ask the FBI and the Department of Defense. Sometimes I wonder if you ever met a Muslim. or if you think that you have more rights and more patriotic than me because your for fathers came to America aboard the May Flower, the Nina, Pinta, or the Santa Maria! and Don’t bother to respond to my post. I will not read your obnoxious b.s., as it raises my blood pressure.

        Madame B:

        Thank you for challenging this hate-paddling bully. You are truly a brave truth-teller Christian friend. Again, thank you for your love. You know the saying, “old friends are utterly irreplaceable. And with that, I don’t mean agewise.

        Saki,

        You are the man! In fact, I consider you one of the most respected commenters on this site. You cracked me up when you referred to that crack-head, ” Anyone who chooses a number instead of a name is obviously more robotic than human.” This is should be considered for ‘comment of the year.’

        Contrary to what this hatemonger and other Muslim haters like TROJ said about the way Muslims treat women, I would say a Muslim woman is very lucky. If you may ask why? The Qur’an ensures that her rights are protected and respected. Muslim men who violate those rights
        are either deviant, not devout, or real followers of their faith. It is misleading to claim that women in the Muslim world are oppressed, have no rights, and have to share their husbands with three other women. It is also Bolognia for anyone to claim that the US invaded several Muslim countries in order to liberate their women. Save me the agony! And if you don’ want refugees to come to America, call President Trump and tell him to stop bombing Muslim countries to smithereens.

        Here is why a Muslim woman is lucky:

        * If her husband committed an affair, his punishment is stoned to death.
        * If a man divorces his wife, he is not allowed to take any valuables that he gave her.
        * If a husband hit or insulted his wife, he is (laeem) nasty and if he honors her, he is generous (kareem).
        * If a man writes down a dowry to his wife and never gives it to her, he is considered a thief.
        * If a man avoids his wife in bed for more than 4 months, she has the right to divorce him.
        * Whenever a man treats his wife as if she is his mother, he has to fast 60 days or feed 60 needy people before he is allowed to touch his wife.
        * Should a man divorce his wife, he should not forget her favors upon him.
        * If a man takes a second wife and failed to be fair to either one, he will face Almighty God limping on The Day of Judgment.
        * If a man divorces his wife, he should provide for the children and not deprive the mother of seeing her children.
        * A Muslim woman is free to dispose of her money in any way she sees fit. The husband has the sole responsibility to provide for the family – that is to provide a dwelling, food, and clothing. The wife does not. However, if she did help, she gets double rewards.

        *The Qur’an states that anyone who falsely accuse a woman of adultery, the accuser would be whipped 80 times as a punishment.
        * The woman’s education is mandatory and she is permitted to work outside the house as long as the work is Islamically permissible.

        Finally, the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him (pbuh) said, “Heaven lies at the feet of a mother.” The Prophet (pbuh) also told his companions, “The best person among you is the one who treats his family members best. ”

        Given the aforementioned facts, I think it’s pretty obvious and hypocritical for Joe Blow to simply accuse Islam and Muslims of oppressing women, considering that America has never actually had a woman as president. Meanwhile, 5 Muslim majority countries (Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey, and Kosovo) can boast that a woman has held the position of President or Prime Minister.

        Have a good life, dude!

      9. @ 1138

        Again, entirely off point. Can’t handle the truth to save their sorry lives. … And tag this sorry Saki character along with ya.

        No, what Madame Butterfly said about you in her excellent comment was NOT “entirely off point”. It could not have been more to the point. You attacked her for saying things she never said. You ascribed a bunch of views to her which she does not hold. This reveals your low IQ, your lack of comprehension, and your malevolent nature.

        Next time you attack someone, take the trouble to find out what they actually believe. Don’t attack them for mythical view they do not hold.

        You are indulging in strawman’s arguments when you attack an innocent party for views they never expressed.

      10. @MB said;

        “I am AGAINST mass immigration, not FOR it!

        I am AGAINST Angela Merkel, not FOR her! She is a total menace and has done Germany incalculable harm.

        I am AGAINST White genocide by the mongrelization of races!

        I am against ALL rapists, including Muslim rapists who invade our Western countries as bogus refugees!”

        In other words, “yes, 1138, I largely if not totally agree with you and these above mentioned are precisely the reasons why”

        So anyway, my accusations about you sporting “welcome refugees” signs etc. were uncalled for. No sense in denying that.

        However, you hold the rather far fetched illusion that therefore I must have a low IQ. MMm, well no, quite the contrary is true.

        The only thing one could distill from it is a too quick a jump to conclusions based on too little information. Nothing more. Furthermore it is a common mistake, and an also quick a jump to conclusions made by all truly stupid people to ascribe any criticism expressed, in a rather harsh manner, never mind if it’s legitimate or not, as coming from a low IQ mind.

        Especially when attacking me for stating facts, NOT LIES as Holy Mahmoud said they were, thus failing to notice her own inconsistencies. And for what? Very simple, because I said it after reading yet another muslim’s bitchy whining about the terrible things muslims have to endure from white people, IN white countries mind you, where they don’t HAVE to live but somehow prefer to do so, and where many muslim criminals are committing an exeptionally high amount of crimes, which is in turn, again, exactly the reason you say, among other things;

        “I am AGAINST mass immigration, not FOR it!

        I am against ALL rapists, including Muslim rapists who invade our Western countries as bogus refugees!”

        And you know, you also seem to completely miss that the whining is perfectly comparable with the way jews always cry ANTI-SEMITISM whenever a non-jew expresses true and therefore justifiable criticism on jews. I did not say or imply Mahmoud does any of these things himself. But he does complain like a true semite about legitimate criticism about the MANY criminal muslims the same way jews do that and defend their fellow jews. And THAT was the point.

        I have never read the Koran and I don’t intend to. But since you have read it and are thus in the know of its ‘wise teachings’, perhaps you could enlighten me a bit. Again, I don’t know, but does the Koran prescribe that one has to mutilate one’s children, at least the male ones? Or that one has to torture animals to death before one can eat them? Or that Muslims have to impose a special tax for non-Muslims, often called Dhimmi tax? In other words, to discriminate non-Muslims?

        A Muslim once told me after I asked him why Muslims HAVE to be circumsised. He answered that it was because of the Prophet was born that way, so all Muslims have to do it. Again, I am asking, perhaps this particular Muslim was ill informed but that’s what he believed. I said , well, tough, but I suppose you’re lucky he wasn’t born with but one eye.

        @ Mahmoud

        Ilhan Omar is indeed not part of the country ‘the United States of America’, and neither are you. You came AFTERwards, when the 5th column rendered that possible. Or perhaps you consider the Europeans part of the Cherokee Nation, or Sioux etc. The Europeans came AFTER the creation of those nations and eventually replaced it with what is now the USA.

        Trust me, just like the Indians didn’t intend to welcome millions of Europeans to eventually replace their established nations and cultures so did the creators of the USA never intend to let their country be flooded with third world parasites who contribute nothing of any value that they didn’t already have. You say your are an asset. Mmm, I don’t think so. The USA is an asset to you, not the other way round. The so-called argument that you work and pay taxes isn’t valid for it to call you an asset. An asset would be some extra value the country of your choice doesn’t have which you can provide. So unless you are sooo extraordinary educated or have ditto talents which none of the Americans have in store you are not an asset. It is true that nowadays many nationalities and races are part of the population living in the USA but again, that is only because jew made that possible. And that’s why there now exists a member of the US Congress coming from some African shithole who does not even try to hide her hostility against the creators of the USA. You seem to think that it is a wonderful thing for the Americans to have some somali baboon ocupying a seat in Congress? Am I correct in this?

        The ONLY reason you, as well as this openly hostile Ilhan Omar came to the US is to parasite on what was already there, created by Europeans, not to become an asset. And the ONLY reason you are allowed to reside there and become an actual citizen is due to the jew. And the reason it ( the jew ) rendered it that way is for no other reason than to destroy the Europeans creation. As is happening in ALL white countries right now fast.

        Unless, of course, you hold the believe that a Babylon of a country like the USA is today, thanks to the jew, is a viable and durable concept and the will of God. Well, then, I suppose you are supporting the UN and their anti-white Internationalism as well. I don’t.

        And also to you, THAT is what I meant.

        And finally ‘Saki’

        I am not going to spend as much space on you.

        But a quick word nonetheless. First of all, you, like MB and his Holyness, also seem to believe that anyone expressing truths in certain harsh and terrible way can surely only possess a low IQ. Together with another presumption of yours that because I use a number instead of a name I therefore must be more robotic than human?? Mmm, how exactly, then? Why do you associate a number more with a robot than you would a name? Do robots usually have a name consisting of digits instead of letters? Where’dya get that ridiculous idea from? Oh I know, you felt obligated to join in on the defense of the poor terribly attacked muslim, right? And His Holyness himself couldn’t wait to express his gratitude by considering you ‘the Man’, I can imagine him LOL ( think Barney Rubble ) for saying such a witty thing. But it isn’t really all that witty at all, is it? No, in reality your presumptions are a strong indication of a very mediocre mind. And is a number as name not a name, then? I’ve had some more comments about that. And I ask myself, what the fuck difference does it make what anyone uses as a name on an internet forum, mmm?

      11. Go in peace, brother. I apologize most sincerely for calling you a “low-IQ person” when you are obviously a person with a higher-than-average IQ. But make allowances for me. What am I to think of a person who attacks me most bitterly, as you did, for believing things I don’t believe in when I actually believe the opposite? Surely you could have checked with me first if I believed all the horrible things you thought I believed in?

        Anyway, sincere apologies, 1138. I must try harder to avoid using offensive language in future. My behaviour was inexcusable and merits severe censure.

      12. Madama Butterfly,

        There is absolutely no need for you to apologise. I do understand your urge to defend Mahmoud. I don’t think he is a bad person. Perhaps i should have expressed myself a tad gentler initially.

        Cheers

  21. No greedy global bankers would ever leave their fates in the hands of a bunch of lottery players around the world!!!

    Not voting is a vote against the global Pharisee-Jew bankers!

    1. Madame Butterfly,

      The Quran is a Flat Earth Geocentric TRUTHER book, so it’s good Madame Butterfly has “the deepest reverence for its wise teachings”, I’m happy to hear that. Maybe now Madame will take the next step in TRUTH SEEKING and start doing some serious research into Flat Earth Geocentrism. Start asking the helios questions about heliocentrism and start asking the Flat Earthers questions about Flat Earth Geocentrism. See who answers your questions, Madame, and see who runs away from your questions. The helios will flee from your questions and the Flat Earthers will be happy to answer ALL of your questions about the nature of Earth and the Universe. The Flat Earthers will answer ALL of your questions about Cosmology, Madame, as the helios run away in fear because you’re starting to get curious and they won’t answer any question. The helios have a very long history of running away from TRUE and REAL questioning, in other words questioning based on Empirical Science.

      I’m happy you like and appreciate the Quran a Flat Earth Geocentric TRUTHER book, Madame. There’s still hope for Madame! 😊

      1. @ TROJ

        For a supposedly super-intelligent inmate at the world’s most famous high security penitentiary, the Chattanooga Institute for Dangerous Village Idiots (CIDVI), your logic is limp and defective.

        This is because the ancient Hebrew Biblical cosmology was even weirder than the geocentric Flat Earth cosmology of the geocentrics that you espouse, and yet that defective cosmology has in no way deterred hundreds of millions of people reading and enjoying the Old Testament.

        And this includes the great scientist Isaac Newton who spent more time reading and writing voluminous commentaries about the Bible than he spent on Physics. That is a well known fact. In other words, Newton was not put out by Old Testament cosmology. He didn’t jump to the false conclusion that the Bible was a load of rubbish just because Hebrew cosmology was a load of rubbish. Here is a quote for what Newton thought about the Bible:

        https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/87/31/2d8731940d0ec278e8cb9d39f0f4be88.jpg

        Satisfied? Just as there is no reason to dismiss the Bible because of its defective cosmology, there is no reason to dismiss the Quran for exactly the same reason. Nor is there any good reason to dismiss Buddhism and Hinduism as “fake religions” just because the Oriental sages didn’t have a clue about modern astrophysics.

        Q.E.D. 🙂

      2. I knew you’d say that, Homer! And I don’t really want to disagree with you on this. I am willing to admit that the Oriental sages had anticipated many of the insights of quantum physics, but they did this in a non-empirical, metaphysical, highly speculative way that lacked the scientific methodology of verification by experiment and elegant mathematical equations.

        I don’t think any of the Vedic sages, however much they inspired Tesla with their remarkable insights, can be described as “scientists” in the modern sense. Meet me halfway on this if you can by agreeing to describe these Oriental geniuses as “cosmological mystics” or “mystics of science” rather than as “scientists” in the modern sense and you will have my full support. 🙂

        I know what I’m talking about, believe me, and have read many books about the parallels between yoga and quantum physics. I have even read a brilliant article on quantum physics on Swami Prabuhupada’s site which mentions Tesla and other modern scientists. In fact, it was you who sent us the link to this article many moons ago. If you have the link, please post it again. I was very impressed by the article, as was LD I believe, but I can’t remember the title of the article.

        If you can send us the link, I’m sure LD would consider republishing this article here. She is a great believer, like me, in the links between Vedic cosmology and quantum physics.

      3. Madame, sure, I’ll meet you halfway even as I’ll also say all this cosmology, physics, quantum physics, unified field, etc., etc., as spectacular and immense material phantasmagoria as they are, I nonetheless find a bit dry and even a little boring. Counter productive and counter intuitive. But of course that’s just me claiming my greatest gift of this human life; my individuality.

        Beyond the material creation of billions and trillions of universes, dimensions, parallel worlds, beyond even the subtle clutches of the chains of Time and Karma (Samsara) another reality exists eternally. A spiritual reality. Our real home.
        For me this is the essence of the truth and salvation of Veda / Sanatana Dharma.

        The Bible says the same thing . . . “In the beginning there was the Word” which implies transcendental(spiritual) sound vibration OM being not only extant before material creation occurs but also the very source of material creation.

        I don’t like it here, it’s no place for a gentleman or gentlewoman. I want out and out I will go if only I might practice hard enough, sincerely enough to pass my final exam.

        Thank you for your thoughts and reasoned words.

      4. Dear Homer, this is one of your most revealing posts and perhaps the best I have read so far coming from you. You are poet as well as philosopher, or perhaps a “poetic philosopher”. I can understand why someone like Schopenhauer appeals to you, although compared to the oriental sages you so value he is, to use your own words, “a bit dry and even a little boring.”

        I am absolutely on the same page as you in regard to quantum physics, but this is for a different reason. I can only understand a fraction of what I read. Most of it is way above my head. It’s because I lack mathematics and a scientific education. The sight of an equation on a page is enough to throw me! But the deficiency lies in me, not in quantum physics which must be very beautiful to those who those who are conversant with its arcane language and the beauty of pure numbers and equations.

        I read somewhere that the entire physical universe could be reduced to a set of numbers which would have a startling beauty of their own to adepts in the appreciation of numbers — numbers which are like musical notations. I hope I don’t sound pretentious, but I understand that both Plato and Pythagoras set great store on music and mathematics and regarded them as the keys to the universe.

        I fear I could be losing you and I feel a bit out of my depth here, as this subject is quite frankly beyond my limited comprehension. To understand and appreciate these higher realities one needs the genius of a Tesla.

      5. @HP
        So, your greatest gift of this human life is individuality and that is in a “world” where is no room for a Gentleman/woman and “You want out” while passing “your final exam” to return (home) where one belongs anyway and actually has never left.
        One might interpret “the greatest gift individuality” as a curse or even as the original sin itself. The willful separation from all encompassing life/creation/universal law/God while desiring a (Godlike) human form with an individual physical body but needing an “inbuilt exam” as a way out (from the greatest gift) to enter the “kingdom of heaven” yet again seems like a paradox.
        This final and successful exam you refer to applies as an “end result” to finally overcoming/giving up “your greatest gift” – individuality and the physical body and “enter” home again in the same way as when (you/one/it) left.
        Fortunately there is no room for form in the heavens and exams exists for those only that are stuck in their own physical realities. Transcendental vibration or energy is set within in LIFE and the human body can adapt just like an “musical instrument” that can be tuned – if one is not to busy with theories or other concepts of human understanding/grasping.
        It is recommended to leave ALL baggage in ANY form behind should one approach “the final stages of the exam” or ones natural state.

  22. ALL countries but 3, are CONTROLLED by the ROTHSCHILD Banking System

    Oddly enough, they have their own RESPECT for NATURAL LAW, (God’s Law, for he RELIGIOUS) but only BECAUSE they have no choice, certainly NOT because they want to. Gravity as one simple example MUST be OBEYED, no matter how powerful they think they are.

    For that REASON they know that they MUST GET OUR CONSENT to continue to RULE us and they DO

    THAT is all that VOTING MEANS-“Giving them Consent to RULE”. Thus when you VOTE you ARE GIVING AWAY your RIGHTS, to LIFE, LIBERTY and PROPERTY OWNERSHIP.

    Did you actually believe you were choosing a President or other type of Government Leader ?

    So far the majority HAVE NOW given way their Property and Freedom.NEXT the ROTHSCHILD will TAKE YOUR LIVES, by PROXY of course ( Agenda 30 “Useful Idiots”??? ).They don’t have the numbers to do it by themselves ……………… and

    UNLESS we take them out FIRST and/or STOP VOTING

    I stopped voting in 1974, a VERY IMPORTANT DATE for the House of Rothschild

    1. Bravo to that comment.

      Voting for a hierarchy above oneself is voluntary slavery … a Stockholm syndrome.

      It is also consciously voting for evil, for we all know that once that hierarchy is in place, evil WILL! mount it.

      Thus, the soul, which is our most precious possession, becomes tainted.

      1. @Flan O’Brien and @ PAT (below)

        It is the IRISH REBEL in me but thanks, Flan and PAT.

        After 600 years of fighting the British and losing over 5 million of our Brothers and Sisters to Psychopathic Supremacists, we “:kinda” learned !’

        I say “kinda’ because OUR new Generation has “dropped the ball” and allowed the SAME Freemason/”Zionists ,( via THEIR different Generation of course) to take over again. There will be another loss of millions as a result, in time, as we all know, the GOAL of the ROTHSCHILD Family is DEPOPULATION, of GENTILES.

        Fortunately I foresaw much of what is happening today and obtained Passports and land in a few countries.

        It is not perfect, but I cannot afford either the time( I’m 80) nor Money, to find another PLANET 🙂

        I never vote in any of them

  23. Question – in the US, are blank votes, “none of the above” votes counted and declared?

    In such a case, voting blank becomes a duty.

    1. Excellent point, Flan. I would gladly vote “None of the above” if given the option. In Britain, a budding totalitarian state, there has been talk in Parliament of forcing people to vote against their wills and making it a criminal offence if they don’t vote. You couldn’t get more autocratic than that.

      1. It might be an opportunity – often, voting for Punch or Judy is in pathetically low numbers. All that is needed is a statistically reliable exit poll to demonstrate that 70% of the population voted for “none of the above”. Though, voting for Punch or Judy could easily be “enforced” by making government benefits contingent on it.

        An excellent Punch and Judy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4iWoCJ_t24
        , especially recommended for grown-ups.

      1. That might be so Madame…. but I’m also dredging-up fond memories for some of the more “vertically challenged” – usually the most vociferous (no doubt in compensation) – denizens of Darkmoon

      2. Madame: It just occurred to me that this might your FIRST retort where you haven’t threatened to impale me on an ice-pick!

        Am I getting on your good side… or did you just forget??? tia

      3. I have nothing against you, dear boy. I am just saddened by the needless frivolity of your comments. I suspect you have a good brain, and a good heart too, but all you do is fritter away your talents by posturing as enfant terrible. This is your saving grace, as far as I’m concerned: a sense of humour which I recognise as essentially British. Long live our beloved England, our once green and pleasant land, which has fallen into the hands of an alien race.

  24. Donaldo,

    I know you’re a Mexican citizen and not a citizen of the United States. I know you’re in the USA alot because you drive your Big Rig all over the USA, and I know the Democrats welcome and actively encourage NON citizens to vote so I’m wondering who you’re going to vote for in the upcoming the USA presidential election even though it’s ILLEGAL for you to vote as you’re NOT a citizen of the United States but who lets the law get in the way of doing what WE want, right? WE don’t need no stinkin’ law allowing Us to vote if WE want to vote WE will vote whether it’s legal or NOT legal and NOTHING can STOP US, right, screw gringo, right? So you’ll be voting for Biden-Kamala, right, because they actively encourage and welcome brown NON-citizens like you to vote ILLEGALLY and you all can pretend it’s legal . Never mind my question about who you’re going to vote for, I just figured it out — and I figured it all out on my own! 😃

  25. “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter” – Winnie

    The only quibble I have with that statement is that “five minutes” seems to be an inordinately long time to decipher the innate imbecility of your typical Thick Brit or Dumb Yank.

    1. “Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

      ― H.L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy

  26. I would advise everyone that’s interested in where we’re headed, to peruse the following which, although “dated” in parts, giving a succinct description of the despotism – “Democracy” notwithstanding! – that lies directly ahead…. ‘Covid Lockdown’ being merely the introductory “appetiser”:

    https://www.huxley.net/bnw-revisited/

  27. Incidentally, I should make it clearer than in previous post, where I said Trump is a one-man act as opposed to Biden, an airbag in a car full of complementary wheels and cogs.
    It is not Trump against Biden.
    It is Trump against Twitter axis (remember about our name is legion, principalities, powers, rulers of darkness …)
    Have a snort of this for flavor: Business Leaders Who Reject Woke Culture To Be ‘First People Lined Up Against The Wall And Shot In Revolution’: Ex-Twitter CEO
    Take a look at Costolo’s mug, any guesses?
    Right, first wealthy kulaks, wonder who may be in the second round—the lesser ones, intellectuals, teachers, priests—might as well add alt-right residents, bloggers and internet folks that weren’t in the prior mix, although I am sure non-voters will be spared.
    Deja vu blowing in the wind, no difference between the Romanovs and Bolsheviks, same old.

    Meanwhile, Costolo is finding support on the left for his murder fantasy – such as Media Matters editor Parker Molloy.

    Well, if I had to choose between Molloy and Moloch, that sure would be a tough one, tweedle dee and tweedle dum indeed.

    1. @ LOBRO

      Deja vu blowing in the wind, no difference between the Romanovs and Bolsheviks, same old.

      Up to a point, yes. But there is a marginal difference. Christianity was protected under the Romanovs and both Tolstoy and Dostoevsky were free to practice their religion without persecution. Both foresaw the coming of Bolshevism and the atheism inseparable from Marxism and Leninism, and neither would have preferred to swap the Tsar’s gulags for the Bolshevik gulags which were infinitely grimmer.

      Well, if I had to choose between Molloy and Moloch, that sure would be a tough one, tweedle dee and tweedle dum indeed.

      A wise comment. No one can disagree with that!

    1. Read her articles. It’s all there.
      “Dystopia looms”. LD doesn’t have the answers.
      Each man makes his own bed and must lie on it.
      Hope my answer satisfies you. If not, too bad! 🙂

  28. Whoever you vote for the government always wins. Peaceful radical change of the system is a very rare occurrence.

    Whatever this Covid-19 may or may not be it is very useful for postponing any Revolution. You now need permission from the Surgeon General to Revolt! In the meantime the power and wealth of the Jews, Zionists, oligarchs, elites, globalist, call them what you will, just grows and grows, while you’re incommunicado, sequestered in your living quarters by order of the Law and banned from congregating IRL. Hell, it may get so bad that War will come as a relief.

    1. As it says in the Good Book:
      “The living will envy the dead…’
      and
      “Unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be left alive’

  29. When two presidential candidates are supported by vested interests, with corporate contributions akin to citizen contribution after the Supreme Court granted in 2010 corporations the right of citizens, a vote of “ no preference” should be part of the ballot count. If the total number of “ no preference” exceeds 50% of the ballot, the election should be declared null and void. Such a policy should motivate all those who see voting as useless, for whichever reason, to engage in voting for the sake of discrediting the democratically flawed electoral process. After all, was it Mark Twain who said that “ if voting made a difference they wouldn’t let us do it”.

    Voting for issues is more productive than voting for presidential candidates. With blockchain technology, the people should be able to decide on many important issues, especially the more crucial ones like wars, defence spending and taxes. Though one thing is known to increase the value of voting in general and a cast ballot in particular and that is decentralisation on a wide scale; the more centralisation we have, the less democracy we have and the more irrelevant voting would be.

    1. 1138:

      Everyone in America is entitled to express their views freely even if his/her views are bigotted. Freedom of speech is what most Americans cherish the most. Thus, questioning the loyalty and patriotism of Muslim Americans is preposterous, racist, and offensive. My advice is, you really should brush up on the US constitution before you waste your talent and make a fool of yourself on this site.

  30. Madame, I don’t understand or work math very well at all either. Nor do I feel a need or desire to do so. After all, everything material ends, dissolved by the time factor, and at the end of its allotted time the material universe will be reduced to little more than, (as Lobro once so very humorously quipped), “zeros circling the drain” which immediately became my favorite math metaphor.

    P.S. Here’s the link you asked for though I doubt it merits an article on its own due to, for lack of better words;
    a lack of interest.

    1. @ Hp

      Thanks for the link, Homer. Stunning article! Maybe it’s of minority interest on this site, as you say, but it will be of great interest to LD and I’m sure she will make use of it if she can. After all, she has published other articles on quantum physics on this site:

      [1] https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/parallel-universes-quantum-physics-says-you-have-always-existed-and-always-will-exist/

      [2] https://www.darkmoon.me/2015/quantum-physics-is-bunk-says-top-quantum-physicist/

      As for no one on this site being interested in quantum physics, you’re wrong!
      Article 1 above got 74 comments, Article 2 got 155 comments! 🙂

      1. @ Madame Butterfly
        @ Hp

        LD would love to make use of the article but cannot for technical reasons: (1) Because the site insists on using cookies which LD does not like consenting to because she thinks cookies are an invasion of privacy and has been warned against consenting to them. (2) In addition, the site creates further difficulties by not letting the article be copied and pasted, so she’s can’t even upload it onto the DM site.

        Lovely site . . . but sadly not very user friendly, creating unnecessary problems for readers.

      2. Speaking of mathematics+ . . . Reading this might cause a person at times to bite their tongue and clench their fists, nonetheless there is more in this article than even a Shakespeare or Heisenberg might conjure or imagine.

        I admit to being able to understand only a tiny fraction of the mathematical thoughts here but the history lesson is outstanding and one many can grok.

        Please remember to not shoot the mailman!

        “In the past 2000 years, there has been only two Indigo children on this planet , with fractal minds connecting to the fractal cosmos– one is Srinivasa Ramanujan and the other is Nikola Tesla.

      3. Yes, I remember well the incident involving Srinivasa Ramanujan and the British scientist GH Hardy who welcomed SR to Cambridge when he first arrived from India. The incident of the taxi cab number. Hardy said something about the cab number being a rather boring or uninteresting number. Ramanujan looked at the cab parked in the high street and strongly disagreed that the number was “boring”.

        “On the contrary,” he enthused, “this is a remarkable number! Absolutely unique and fascinating!” (Or words to that effect). And then he went on to explain what made the number so stunningly attractive. Hardy was gobsmacked. Most impressed. He had to admit that the number he had initially thought so “boring” was in fact one of the most exciting numbers he had ever encountered. 🙂

        To most people, automobile numbers are no more than numbers. I’ve never heard anyone describe a cab number as “boring” or “exciting”. But not to these mathematical geniuses. They see things in numbers we ordinary little folk don’t see at all.

        Weird, isn’t it?

  31. Well, maybe Heisenberg could. I once read an article about Heisenberg’s ultimate personal achievement and even linked it here 3-4-5 years ago? It was by a close associate if not a biographer. The exact person escapes me and try as I might I can’t track down the story. And an incredible astounding tale it is.

    The premise of the story is that Heisenberg, being familiar with some portion of the Vedas and Vedic ciphering had actually, near the end of his life, achieved (approached?) Brahman realization via mental equations alone! Never read anything quite like it. Really quite unusual. I’ll keep trying.

  32. Hurray to the Department of Labor. The DOL report, published today, concluded that in China there are “Uyghurs detained in camps and forced to labor in factories” and urged that “Companies with supply chains that link to China, including, but not limited to, Xinjiang, should conduct due diligence to ensure that suppliers are not engaging in forced labor.”

    According to the report: It is estimated that 100,000 Uyghurs and other ethnic minority ex-detainees in China may be working in conditions of forced labor following detention in re-education camps.” Why does the idiomatic expression “better dead than read” comes to mind?

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