9/9 and 9/11, 20 years later

Pepe Escobar reviews 9/11 exactly 20 years later
and reaches some disquieting conclusions.

By Pepe Escobar
The Unz Review
September 10, 2021

(Abridged to 1300 words)

It’s impossible not to start with the latest tremor in a series of stunning geopolitical earthquakes.

Exactly 20 years after 9/11 and the subsequent onset of the Global War on Terror (GWOT), the Taliban will hold a ceremony in Kabul to celebrate their victory in that misguided Forever War.

Four key exponents of Eurasia integration – China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan – as well as Turkey and Qatar, will be officially represented, witnessing the official return of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. As blowbacks go, this one is nothing short of intergalactic.

The plot thickens when we have Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid firmly stressing “there is no proof” Osama bin Laden was involved in 9/11. So “there was no justification for war, it was an excuse for war,” he claimed.

Only a few days after 9/11, Osama bin Laden, never publicity-shy, released a statement to Al Jazeera:

“I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons (…) I have been living in the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations.”

On September 28, Osama bin Laden was interviewed by the Urdu newspaper Karachi Ummat. I remember it well, as I was commuting non-stop between Islamabad and Peshawar, and my colleague Saleem Shahzad, in Karachi, called it to my attention.

Saudi-born alleged terror mastermind Osama bin Laden in a video taken ‘recently’ at a secret site in Afghanistan. This was aired by Al Jazeera on October 7, 2001, the day the US launched retaliatory bombing of terrorist camps, airbases and air defense installations in the first stage of its campaign against the Taliban regime for sheltering bin Laden. Photo: AFP / Al Jazeera screen grab

This is an approximate translation by the CIA-linked Foreign Broadcast Information Service:

“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. Neither  had I any knowledge of these attacks nor I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people.

“I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system, but are dissenting against it.

“Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country or ideology could survive. Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year (…) They need an enemy.”

This was the last time Osama bin Laden went public, substantially, about his alleged role in 9/11. Afterward, he vanished, and seemingly forever by early December 2001 in Tora Bora: I was there, and revisited the full context years later.

And yet, like an Islamic James Bond, Osama kept performing the miracle of dying another day, over and over again, starting in – where else – Tora Bora in mid-December, as reported by the Pakistani Observer and then Fox News.

So 9/11 remained a riddle inside an enigma. And what about 9/9, which might have been the prologue to 9/11?

Arriving in the Panjshir valley in one of Massoud’s Soviet helicopters in August 2001. Photo: Pepe Escobar

A green light from a blind sheikh

“The commander has been shot.”

The terse email, on 9/9, offered no details. Contacting the Panjshir was impossible – sat-phone reception is spotty. Only the next day it was possible to establish Ahmad Shah Massoud, the legendary Lion of the Panjshir, had been assassinated – by two al-Qaeda jihadis posing as a camera crew.

In our Asia Times interview with Massoud, by August 20, he had told me he was fighting a triad: al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the Pakistani ISI. After the interview, he left in a Land Cruiser and then went by helicopter to Kwaja-Bahauddin, where he would finish the details of a counter-offensive against the Taliban.

This was his second-to-last interview before the assassination and arguably the last images – shot by photographer Jason Florio and with my mini-DV camera – of Massoud alive.  (Massoud, left,  pictured three weeks before his assassination).

One year after the assassination, I was back in the Panjshir for an on-site investigation, relying only on local sources and confirmation on some details from Peshawar. The investigation is featured in the first part of my Asia Times e-book Forever Wars.

The conclusion was that the green light for the fake camera crew to meet Massoud came via a letter sponsored by CIA crypto-asset warlord Abdul Rasul Sayyaf – as a “gift” to al-Qaeda.

In December 2020, inestimable Canadian diplomat Peter Dale Scott, author among others of the seminal The Road to 9/11 (2007), and Aaron Good, editor at CovertAction magazine, published a remarkable investigation about the killing of Massoud, following a different trail and relying mostly on American sources.

They established that arguably more than Sayyaf, the mastermind of the killing was notorious Egyptian blind sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, then serving a life sentence in a US federal prison for his involvement in the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993.

Among other nuggets, Dale Scott and Good also confirmed what former Pakistani foreign minister Niaz Naik had told Pakistani media already in 2001: the Americans had everything in place to attack Afghanistan way before 9/11.

In Naik’s words: “We asked them [the American delegates], when do you think you will attack Afghanistan? … And they said, before the snow falls in Kabul. That means September, October, something like that.”

As many of us established over the years after 9/11, everything was about the US imposing itself as the undisputed ruler of the New Great Game in Central Asia. Peter Dale Scott now notes, “the two US invasions of Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003 were both grounded in pretexts that were doubtful to begin with and more discredited as years go by.

“Underlying both wars was America’s perceived need to control the fossil fuel economic system that was the underpinning for the US petrodollar.”

—     §     —

The Deep State is going no holds barred to protect the official narrative – which exhibits more holes than the dark side of the moon.

This is a geopolitical Ouroboros for the ages.

9/11 used to be the foundation myth of the 21st century – but not anymore.

It has been displaced by blowback: the imperial debacle allowing for the return of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan to the exact position it was 20 years ago.

We may now know that the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11. We may now know that Osama bin Laden, in an Afghan cave, may not have been the master perpetrator of 9/11. We may now know that the assassination of Massoud was a prelude to 9/11, but in a twisted way: to facilitate a pre-planned invasion of Afghanistan.

And yet, like with the assassination of JFK, we may never know the full contours of the whole riddle inside an enigma. As Fitzgerald immortalized, “so we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past,” probing like mad this philosophical and existential Ground Zero, never ceasing from asking the ultimate question: Cui Bono?

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
Source: The Unz Review

59 thoughts to “9/9 and 9/11, 20 years later”

  1. They lied about World War 1. Britain, France, Germany and Russia were set up through the Triple Alliance.
    They lied about Pearl Harbor incidence. Japan was set up to attack U.S
    They lied about World War II. Germany was set up through the treaty of Versailles
    They lied about the Vietnam War. The Gulf of Tonkin incidence was a lie.
    They lied about 9/11. Osama denied he was involved.
    These are the lies of lying liars.
    But……………. in regard to Corvid, and where it came from, they are RIGHT it cam from bats……………..and we believe them.
    And in regard to Corvid Vaccine efficacy they are RIGHT…………….and we believe them.

  2. I’m glad they’re letting A LOT of Afghanis come to the United States and settle in the good ole USA where I know they’ll make good old-fashioned patriotic heritage type Americans like back in the good ole days when Our boys of The Greatest Generation were decimating the nips in The Pacific Theatre of war and even MORE IMPORTANTLY devastating destroying demolishing Hitler’s evil evil evil Third Reich the evil NAZIS the Germans THE HUNS the evil Huns! those evil Germans! those evil NAZIS! had built up in NAZI Germany and WE proceeded to level the cities of Germany into rubble and WE threw chocolate candy bars at the dirty ragamuffin hoodlum kids in the streets because Our American hearts are like that, full of human kindness, so it’s very Uplifting to know We’ll be hearing Pashto and Dari spoken here in the good ole USA and how Inspiring is that! and how reassuring it is to know We don’t hear that evil evil evil language German spoken in Our Land of The Free and Home of the Brave when we go shopping at Walmart or Target of Home Depot or WINNDIXIE! or when we go anywhere in Our good ole USA We hear ALL the languages of the world EXCEPT thank God We don’t hear German spoken anywhere in The Public Square! What a Great Victory for us kwans! yes sirree bob!

    I can’t wait to hear Afghani language spoken when I go to my local Walmart to buy cheap chinese crap!

    1. Troj,
      You’re oviously a Jew just like Donaldo. He is, however, transparent while you are a liar, fraud and self-hater. Spare us Darkmooners your 🐂-sh*t please. BTW…..Jews don’t shop at Walmart. They occasionally shop at Kroger which offers us kosher meat as well as other products. TROJ, YOU broke the golden rule of loyalty and DESERVE to be punished. But Donaldo will humbly leave you in Administrations hands. 🤔🤨🤠

      1. Maybe YOU should spare ME (I don’t pretend to speak for Darkmooners) YOUR shit, Donaldo.

        TROJ’s post is satirical, funny to read and is fact based. You are making fun of yourself if you can’t see his deep sarcasm.

        Nice to hear from you that Jews have a golden rule of BLIND loyalty, it explains why Jews side with the Rothschild banking dynasty. It’s “anti-Semitic” to criticize the Rothschilds – official Jew policy. Talk about animal Pavlov mind conditioning…

        1. Nothing,
          Oh well. Donaldo will leave it at that…… NOTHING. YOU talk to Donaldo as if you know him and with no invitation whatsoever to his post. Donaldo has noticed your recent attacks but has remained silent. But ok. Even intellectually-deficit creeps like you are allowed a voice on Darkmoon. Where are you from anyway Moron? Slavic? Ok. Enough. You don’t deserve anymore energy from independent thinkers. 🤨🤔🤠

  3. Osama CLAIMED, “As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie.”

    That is a completely different claim than, “I never lie” or “I am not lying.”

    That statement is totally worthless, vague and misleading, IF he ever stated it. AND…..it was reported that he died of kidney failure before 2001.

  4. On this day, September 11, on September 11th 2001, the level of NUCLEAR RADIATION in the NYC metro went flying OFF THE CHARTS at the very same time The Towers were imploding in lower Manhattan. Many New Yorkers, especially first responders, now have the type of cancers associated with exposure to NUCLEAR RADIATION. The level of NUCLER RADIATION is much higher today than it was the day BEFORE September 11, 2001.

    The expression “Ground Zero” is a U.S. MILITARY expression. Pat is a U.S. MILITARY MAN. Maybe U.S. MILITARY MAN Pat will good enough to tell us what the U.S. MILITARY expression “GROUND ZERO” means in a way us civilians can understand what U.S. MILITARY PARLANCE “GROUND ZERO” means. Unless of course the info is TOP SECRET so Pat the good U.S. MILITARY MAN can’t tell us what “Ground Zero” means. Is the U.S. MILITARY definition of “Ground Zero” TOP SECRET, Pat? Oh MR. PATRIOTIC U.S. MILITARY MAN! lol….

  5. I don’t know about Osama but when I saw that crowd of 30 or so SEALs on tv assembled for their special Osama Medal – I Knew They Were Doomed.
    No long afterwards they all went down in a helicopter rocket attack…
    They were called out on a dud mission that was fake to begin with, and rocketed when they lifted off again..
    Pretty Obvious…

  6. The idea that a jihadist in a cave in Afghanistan coordinated the attacks on the WTC is laughably insane, and only a naive fool believes that ridiculous MSM narrative. How did some Muslim towelhead in a cave plant all the high explosives that brought down the Trade Towers? But never mind that, focus your hate on that single Muslim terrorist (who is really a freedom fighter fighting Jewish imperialism) and don’t think who really did it – your friends in Israel.

    It is obvious that Osama bin Laden (OBL) was a patsy in a massive Zionist crime wave called the “War on Terror” which is really a War OF Terror on whoever the Jews want to bomb. You MUST have a patsy to cover up the crime. When the CIA and Israel killed the sitting president JFK, they put out the lone gunman theory and named Oswald and then had him assassinated centered in the camera lens while handcuffed to a police officer, surrounded by police officers, by a Jew named Jack Rubenstein which the media called Jack ‘Ruby’ so you wouldn’t associate the coverup with a tribe member. All your hate was directed at Oswald so you wouldn’t have to contemplate your own government assassinated your elected President. LBJ (a Jew who looks near identical to Golda Meir) was installed and kept the war in Vietam going. LBJ also started the massive welfare state – another way to loot the public treasury.


    The 911 attacks was a clever way to keep the war machine fully occupied after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and it was even predicted in the comedy movie Canadian Bacon. You must have an enemy in order for Boeing and Lockheed to stay in full production. In order to brainwash the public, the manufacturered patsy OBL was the poster boy – his face was broadcast on the Talmudvision screens all across Amerika. It was a massive brain washing operation by the Jewish controlled media.

    On every 911 anniversary they drag out the demon of OBL and wave him in your face so you don’t have to think any critical thoughts like your own government did 911, killed it’s own citizens to get their War OF Terror kicked into high gear. The MSM puts out nonstop propaganda while they wage terror on the rest of the world and now on you with the quaccine mandates. You are now the enemy because you refuse to get the death jab by Jewish owned pHARMa companies.

    So while Amerika continues it’s epic death spiral and soon to auger in, be sure to wave the flag and send your boys to go fight and die endless wars for ZOG, be a patriot on this 911 anniversary, get your death jab, don’t criticize your glorious unelected Commie pedo President, get mad at the Taliban for taking their country back from the ZOG imperial monster, be sure to pay your taxes and wear your seat belt – be safe as you drive to Walmart to stock up on Chinese made crap.

    1. Well said , sir .
      And after 9/11 , to promote patriotism , they took a mediocre team with one of the worst NFL RECORD prior to 9/11 , namely , New England Patriots and boom they became one of the hottest in the NFL for over a decade after 9/11. I don’t know, five or six super bowl titles and a quarter back Tom Brady becoming a star who incidently couldn’t run , and was hardly sacked by the opposing team defence and with receivers who always seemed to be OPEN to catch Brady’s passes and score touch downs. Yep we all became patriots and we had (the NFL) Patriots to constantly remind us of Patriotism .
      Gee, I thought their coach Bill Belichick was a genius coach , it turned out his games were fixed like a wrestling match . No wonder he never smiled because he knew he was not real .

  7. 9/11 Was An Israeli Job

    ….members of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth have demonstrated that it was impossible for plane crashes and jet fuel fires to trigger the collapse of the Twin Towers. Even Donald Trump understood this. In fact, speaking of “collapse” is perhaps misleading: the towers literally exploded, pulverizing concrete and projecting pieces of steel beams weighing several hundred tons hundreds of meters laterally at high speeds. The pyroclastic dust that immediately flooded through the streets, not unlike the dust from a volcano, indicates a high temperature mixture of hot gasses and relatively dense solid particles, an impossible phenomenon in a simple collapse.

    It is also impossible that WTC7, another skyscraper (47 stories), which had not been hit by a plane, collapsed into its own footprint at near free-fall speed, unless by “controlled demolition.”
    September 10, 2018

    1. 20 years ago we were told the Muslims are “terrorists” and now after fighting Muslims for 20 years — because they are “terrorists” — we have more Muslims in the United States than before we went to war against the Muslim world. Now if any American, esp. a White American, calls the Muslims “terrorists” or even calls one Muslim a “terrorist” the White American is the one who is labeled “the terrorist”.

      After 20 years of war in Afghanistan the U.S. military made a lot of enemies in Afghanistan. Uncle Sam lets Afghanis into the United States without any vetting process so Uncle Sam is in effect letting into the United States lots of Afghanis Uncle Sam was fighting against in Afghanistan. Fight against them for 20 years, make them enemies, treat them like enemies, call them “terrorists’ for 20 years, then all-of-a-sudden treat them like friends and allies and let them immigrate to your country and settle in your country — and if any American questions any of this, esp. if a White American questions any of this, call the White American a “terrorist”.

      1. Hey Joe , it’s military business , nothing personal . Afghanis understood that and that’s why they don’t hold any immigrant grudges .Like Hank Williams jr said : With welfare check and pretty green card , Afghani boy will survive in the USA .lol .
        My favorate Hank Williams jr song is : All my rowdy friends have been deported . lol .

    2. Further evidence 911 was an Israeli job utilizing multiple compliant assets, some of it even briefly reported on the MSM news before it quickly disappeared down the memory hole:

      Then there is the proof that no planes were used, only explosives, holograms, crisis actors, and a compliant media:
      http://www.brighteon.com/1c870542-7ccc-4d49-808d-196b377796b4 (40 min)
      http://www.rumble.com/vbw6ip-911-truth-documentary-no-planes.html (20 min)
      For a thorough scientific analysis see http://www.911planeshoax.com

      Our devil-worshipping Jewish Overlords like to see what they can get away with, and they have a whole army of bribed, blackmailed, prostituted, ideologically blinded, and brainwashed foot soldiers who will cover for their murderous, morally and socially destructive, and essentially diabolical track record.

    3. So what caused the buildings to explode and pulverise? Pat, you don’t believe in nukes, so what did it? You surely don’t believe in the even less likely directed energy weapons do you?

      1. CM –

        Thanks for the easy questions!!

        ANSWER: The same well placed explosives that were used in these numerous demolitions:

        AND these in Vegas:

        The main supports for the Twin Towers were located in the central portion of the buildings, surrounding the dozens of elevator shafts. Even so, I saw the sparks and smoke exhausted as in the other controlled demolitions, as some of the facade was cut as needed… JUST BEFORE the collapse.

        The Twin Towers had 198 elevators operating inside 15 miles of elevator shafts.

        NO NUKES were needed!! 💥 😎

        But, since I did not design the demolitions there….. I cannot tell exactly what was used. I haven’t ruled out the use of Direct Energy…. along with the conventional methods using thermite/thermate…. etc.

      2. CM –

        I have a question for YOU:

        Since you seem to believe nukes were used in the 911 demolitions, and there were multiple explosions, what exact sizes and exact types of nukes were used…. including the types and designs of triggers(if they even exist)?

  8. How can a CNN correspondent track and interview Bin Laden in a cave hideout, when the FBi, CIA, MI6 and Mossad who are sourced and funded by billions in Tax payers money.. could not do it ?

  9. 911 was done by Israel and traitors in the ZUS government, notably the zionist neocons in The Project for a New American Century and also Bush jr. , Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al, and this was blamed on the muslims to give the ZUS the excuse to destroy the middle east for Israel and their greater Israel agenda.

    This zionist neocon war on terror has been a great success for the terrorists who run the MIC and the ZUS government, they ran America into 8 trillion in debt and caused the deaths of thousands of Americans and millions of muslims and crippled millions for life and destroyed every country in the middle east and at the same time made trillions in profit for themselves.

    The real terrorists operate out of DC and Tel Aviv and London and Basil and they rearmed the taliban aka mujahdeen aka AL CIADA aka ISIS to insure that the war on terror will continue and get even worse, who said crime doesn’t pay.

  10. I HAVE READ ABOUT 600 COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO WHAT HAPPENED IN AMERICA ON SEPT. ELEVEN 2001 and here is a comment that makes a lot of sense:

    “9/11 was an American own-goal. It was perpetrated by al-Qaeda who skillfully exploited America’s inveterate habit of denying reality. The 9/11 Truth movement has gotten almost everything wrong from the beginning. Nothing that we saw that day either violated the laws of physics or was out of character for our serially incompetent and largely useless national security services, as I have pointed out before.

    The kneejerk reaction to blame Bin Laden seemed rather abrupt, but there is a rational explanation for it.

    Up until 9/11, the Cheney-Neocon faction of the American military-intelligence apparatus (basically all of it) considered al-Qaeda to be little more than a third-rate “asset.” The fact that this dog slipped its leash and turned against its master (or, rather, showed that it had never been its master’s dog in the first place) proved very embarrassing for them. They had no response to the terrorist attack and did not bother to prevent it, this despite the fact that at least two foreign governments—Russia and Israel—had warned America what was about to happen, and their own internal intelligence communiques had suggested the same.

    In brief, America’s entire security service was caught playing pocket pool on 9/11. They realized right away that they already had in their possession all the information they needed to head off the attack, but they just couldn’t be bothered to actually do it. They were mortally afraid that the American people would realize this and clamor for their heads. The instant naming of Bin Laden was a bit of panicky ass-covering, similar to how an employee who lies to you about why he’s missing work will start dishing out reasons and justifications you aren’t even asking for—he’s preempting the searching questions his guilty conscience knows he can’t answer.

    There was a massive coverup on 9/11, but it was only the government covering for itself. In doing this, they miscalculated once again. In their own world, the Washington world, things like national security are at least nominally important. Hypocrisy being the tribute that vice pays to virtue, you at least have to make a show of competence even where none exists. They had no understanding of the larger culture outside the bubble they live in, so they radically “misunderestimated” the extent to which the American people neither knew nor cared anything about how national security works. Naming Bin Laden—belatedly but with great emphasis—is exactly the sort of thing every low level CIA flunky would do to save his job in the wake of the biggest American intelligence disaster in living memory. Knowing nothing but this CYA culture, the intelligence service as a whole attempted the same maneuver in order to head off the wrath of what they were sure would be a furious American citizenry.

    But the citizenry only stared blankly, then sat up and cheered the incompetents. If you remember the culture at that time, it was almost Neronic in its crass materialism and flabby carelessness. The average American had no idea who al-Qaeda even was. Everyone was riding the excesses of the tech bubble and their only concern was their fantasy football pool and which brand of California chardonnay to adorn their new granite countertops with. Instead of demanding accountability from their government, Americans decided to reward the same losers with an unprecedented amount of power and domestic policing authority. Enter here the Patriot Act, the TSA, the Department of Homeland Security, and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Enter here the jingoistic barroom ballads of Toby Keith, flag lapel pins, and color-coded “terror alerts.” It was a pathetic attempt to do something about our “existential crisis” without disturbing the party atmosphere.

    Everything that followed was utterly predictable from these antecedents, including our recent humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan. The good news is, many Americans started paying more attention and had largely figured out the incompetence by the 2006 midterms. The bad news is that the ruling class incredibly managed to hang on without reversing policy for another decade and a half.”


    “The responsible association must be the US deep state, meaning the national security state, secretly funded but not controlled by Congress. For whatever Israel’s involvement, it lacks the power to control the US federal government and that government’s press.
    Israelis cannot stand down the U.S. Air Force on 911 or any other chosen day. They can’t shut down air defense of the Pentagon, nor require the news media to support big obvious lies, nor blow three WTC skyscrapers to kingdom come, nor establish a federal government “truth commission” dedicated to telling Whoppers.
    911 was an inside job.”
    AND HERE IS ANOTHER ONE: (in regards to Israel),

    “You would expect a client state and its agents would want its protector to remain strong so that it can continue to protect it. The Ziocons have done precisely the opposite. History is littered with examples of client states that have collapsed shortly after the downfall of their patron. Israel will be no exception.

    So the Ziocons are not very clever Machiavellians. They’re very stupid people indeed.”

    It will remain a mystery.

    1. “It will remain a mystery.”

      WRONG! Only in your dreams, troll. You can barely keep the same writing style. How many persons are writing under the pen name “Sarita”?

      You blew it!

      I would like to advise the fine ladies on this site that this troll is trying to get your sympathy using a female name. He has nothing to offer except confusion. He is mudding the waters and nothing else.

      9/11 is a key issue, that’s why truth-tellers talk about the 9/11 TEST. We can separate the wheat from the chaff with it. Sorry to tell you that Israel Shamir didn’t pass that test.

      Truth-tellers have been misled in irrelevant discussions of technicalities of the terror attack. The only relevant question right now is – WHO did it? Silverstein, Netanyahu, Giuliani, GWB and many others.

      Cry me rivers of crocodile tears, GWB!!

      “If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched.” – GHWB. At last, one thing we can agree on.

    2. Sarita – you spouted MSM nonsense about the corona hoax and now you write this big long post desperately trying to extricate the Israelis as the primary player of 911:

      “For whatever Israel’s involvement, it lacks the power to control the US federal government and that government’s press. Israelis cannot stand down the U.S. Air Force on 911 or any other chosen day.”

      Sorry Sarita (or whoever you are), it was a Mossad operation assisted by the Jew Neocons who did have the power to shut down the USAF on 911. Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz were the installed moles who helped Israel do the job.

      “They can’t shut down air defense of the Pentagon, nor require the news media to support big obvious lies, ”

      Really, the news media doesn’t support “big obvious lies”. Are you serious? Are you on drugs? Are you a shill shilling to protect Israel? Whatever or whoever you are you are either grossly misinformed or an outright intentional liar.

    3. @ SARITA,

      There is no point arguing with these conspiracy theorists. They have no understanding of Occam’s Razor nor do they care. Its a dangerous mix when these clowns are not only brimming over the top with their conspiratorial nonsense and BS but bubbling out of control with racism to boot.

      Let me ask you this. If a tree falls in the woods with no one around to hear did it make a noise ? 95% of the Schmucks on this site will say yes and a Jew was responsible for cutting the tree 🙂

      Do not end up like poor little Donaldo Duck who likes to think of himself as a Jew while kissing the ass of a piece of shit like Patty Boy. Donaldo thinks Patty Boy is his homeboy. Yes Yes Yes Patty Boy will call me many names. He has nothing better to do aside from displaying how fucking stupid he is.

      Patty keeps score of how many people he thinks he leads on a site with the same 20 posters that talk to each-other daily as if its Jeopardy time at the home.

      Take it all in stride and look at this for what it is. A chuckle here and there when you have nothing better to do. Like going to the zoo or riding a psychotic horse through a burning stable 🙂

      1. Ralan,
        Yawn. Crickets 🦗 chirping during the late Summer evening. Did Senor Ralan make a vague attempt at a logical comment? No. But maybe he tried. Oh well. His primitive repto brain 🧠 does have it’s limits. 🤔🤨🤠

  11. I believe Israel should be bombed off the map for 911, and the USS Liberty attack, assassination of JFK, the destruction of our way of life, the currency destruction under the Fed, the loss of our liberties, the war of Jewish terror, and for lying to us about WW2.

    Israel is an existential threat to the survival of the United States of America.

    Listen to this famous Mark Glenn interview of Dr. Alan Sabrosky US ARMY War Colllege tell you flat out Israel did 911.




    The most important lines in the interview:

    “Alan Sabrosky (AS): It is, and it’s more than that, Mark. What we need to stand up and say is that not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it.”

    “I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at the Headquarters Marine Corps, and I have made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100% certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period.”

    “9/11 has led directly to 60,000 Americans dead and wounded, God knows how many hundreds of thousands of people in other countries that we’ve killed or wounded or made homeless, and it’s an on-going sore. It’s not your sore from the USS Liberty, it’s not my sore from Vietnam. Both of us have those, both of us care about. But this is an open wound. And what Americans need to understand is that they did it. They did it. And if they do understand that, Israel’s going to disappear. Israel will flat-ass disappear from this Earth.”

  12. Pat:

    Were you on “active duty” that day… and, if so, are you at liberty to share any “inside Intel” (that wouldn’t jeopardise your military pension, of course) with “Enquiring Minds” here at DM… particularly something that TROJ could get his teeth into?🤔

    1. I served from 1966 to 1973. There were no ‘Twin Towers’ while I served. I have NO pension from the Navy.

      BUT, I have a few really good links for ya…….. which are as off-topic as your questions…. 💥 😎
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      Check out this story from Mercola:

  13. ok
    after reading about 750 comments all over the net I have come to the following conclusion:
    (i would like to clarify that I am a nobody, not a professional political analyst, not a genius, obviously, but what I am is am someone who has been blessed with a brain to think, so don’t read my opinion if you don’t wish to)
    3 are conspiracy theories, the fourth one is the official version of events.

    The official version:
    we all know the official version, there is an Islamic organization born out of hate towards the u.s. government and their eternal partners in Israel (they are partners before Israel was born actually, the wasp have been lovers with the Jews since millennia, it was the wasp who created Israel) and the installed oppressive rulers in the middle east.
    This group attacked the twin towers, the pentagon etc on september eleven 2001 when their leader Usama bin Laden sent 19 hijackers who did what they did.
    (flaws): Amdocs, the five dancing shlomos, building 7, norad and its stand down attitude, invisible plane into the pentagon, Netanyahu “this is good for Israel”, asbestos, Security (ICTS), a firm based in Israel and headed by Menachem Atzmon (no, not Gilad, Gilad Atzmon is a nice Jew, he plays the saxophone) at the American aiports, and the conspiracies by The Project for a new (((American))) Century. a lot of flaws.

    2nd theory:
    Israel did it.
    Israel did it because they wanted the stupid u.s. to attack and destroy seven countries in the middle east.. nobody helped them. It was only them who did it. Them alone.

    third theory:
    the u.s. neo-con did it. They were helped by the mossad.
    how? by using fake planes, building 7 brought down with controlled demolition, a missile on the pentagon instead of a plane…..The Project for a new (((American))) Century people and their buddies at the mossad took care of all that.

    fourth theory:}
    (my favorite)
    basically its the first one, where yes, Al Qaeda did the deed (lol) but with the difference that the U.S. government knew in advance and let it happen because it was convenient so that they can go ahead with their Project for a new (((American))) Century not caring about their own people because they never did. the flaws are just coincidences.


    1. The truth is a combination of the second and the third theory: Israel did it in combination with some “neo-conservative” Jews in high places in the US and some non-Jewish traitors like Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney etc. who had personal financial and national imperialistic ambitions.

      The fact that you espouse “official” theories both about 9/11 and vaccines (the two most important questions in the present world) raises serious questions about your trustworthiness.

      Only the gullible and uninformed believe in the “official” theories. You don’t seem gullible or uninformed, so….

      1. No, Mr rickaert,
        There are flaws in YOUR arguments.
        I explain: I have gone through past articles here at Darkmoon in my free time and I have noticed and read that you wrote AND ASSERTED AND INSISTED that “Palestine never existed” and that “it was created by Yasser Arafat in 1978..” and many other comments in regards to Palestine were you kept repeating and repeating and pushing the same mantra until people exploded and started going crazy and even suspected you are a Jew!

        Yet, (to my surprise)

        A few days ago you wrote at ‘unz-review’ the following:
        “Not only is the mossad rogue enough, Israel is a rogue state engaged in false flag terrorism all the time. Heck the state itself was created by terrorism ……”

        So what is it gonna be?

        (The accusation that you’re a Jew, of course I don’t believe, what I believe is that maybe you’re just a bored old man who likes to ruffle feathers and push buttons etc which is very distressing)..
        Franklin Rickaert, clear your eyes and open your ears,
        I am not pushing the official version simply because the official version exempts (let’s off the hook) the perpetrators. The official version obviously clears the lowest of the low creatures, the garbage, the animals, the filthy scum who allowed this horrible evil thing to happen.
        What I did write was that my favourite version is where the u.s. morons knew in advance and decided to let it happen which is just as treacherous as fantastic versions 2 and 3.
        Version 4 eliminates all those silly fantastic stories and analysises and paranoid conclusions and gets to the point very easily without complicated details.
        The mobsters/ monsters in charge KNEW what was going on, what was coming, they were more evil than the actual perpetrators so they let it happen because they needed the excuse to go on with their project while scared americans stayed silent.
        Russia, Germany, Israel, Morroco, Jordan all these countries warned them that there was something cooking!
        Nobody is that stupid !
        The only difference is that you insist Israel had a hand in it and I don’t think they did because a client doesn’t hurt his patron. Is Israel better off now? They are scared shit-less! The whole place is burning and it’s a matter of time before their asses catch fire too.
        It was Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell. (I don’t even think Powell knew, i think he is just a stupid idiot who was used) ..the first three, should get caught, dragged to a park and hanged in the highest tree for all to see ..
        but ….
        Americans are too busy watching football, getting high and drinking Budweiser while their kids play video games where they kill the Arab terrorists! 😀
        Bye Franklin Rickaert. Take care of yourself because once your generation is gone it will be over for the planet, what’s left is punks and liberals.
        Ben Gurion said it:
        “The old will die and the young will forget ” except it ironically didn’t apply to Palestine but to the western powers.

          1. On second thoughts, I don’t think she’s an idiot. Jews can be quite smart. And she has all the underlying nastiness we associate with the worst Jews.

        1. There is no contradiction between the assertion that “Israel is a terrorist rogue state” and that “Palestine never existed”, both can be true at the same time. The first assertion needs no further elaboration for the people on this forum. With the second assertion I mean that a separate “Palestinian identity” never existed. The people whom we now call “Palestinians” considered themselves as local Arabs, members of al Sham (Arabic for “the North”) which is the region that comprises present day Syria, Lebanon, Israel, the West Bank and Jordan. A separate Palestinian identity only developed recently in the struggle against Israel, which is a kind of dynamics we see more in history. Of course the fact that a Palestinian identity is a recent creation does not deny these people their basic rights.

          Your assertion that 9/11 was a LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) instead of a MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose) does not convince the more intelligent and the better informed. You don’t make the impression to be unintelligent or uninformed, so I assume you are a conscious troll, whether working alone or in a team.

          And please don’t try to suggest that Israel is a powerless “client state” of the US, Israel controls the US via its lobby, by bribery and black mail (see the operation of Epstein). As Ariel Sharon once said: “We the Jews control America, and the Americans know it”.

          The fact that you now also try to peddle the genocidal vaccines to the public, indicates that you not only work for the Zionists but also for the NWO with its depopulation plan.

          Keep on commenting and keep on exposing yourself. You will come to the conclusion that goyim are not as stupid as you think.

          1. @ Franklin Ryckaert

            Beautifully put! In contrast to your measured tones and logical argumentation, Sarita’s hissy fits leave a very poor impression. I note she has completely ignored commenting on the latest thread about the Professor of Ethics at a major Canadian university who was blackmailed by the authorities into taking the vaccine against her will — a dangerous and improperly tested remedy she refused to take, thereby getting the sack from her job of 20-years.

            Maybe Sarita believes that the good professor deserved to be sacked for saying “NO!” to the vaccine. Maybe she approves of Biden’s totalitarian approach to the vaccine: that all Americans must receive mandatory vaccinations as a condition for further employment.

            Note also, even more strangely, how Sarita omitted to comment on Madame Butterfly’s factually impressive information provided to her that that over 100,000 medically qualified staff in British hospitals, including top doctors and nurses, have adamantly refused to submit to be vaccinated against their wills. They threaten to resign en masse if the British government insists on behaving like a tinpot dictatorship, criminalising their resistance to coercive medical measures.

            This destroys Sarita’s basic assumption that only a small minority of fools reject the vaccine and that most intelligent people are only too happy to receive it.

  14. “NEVER, NEVER, NEVER FORGET!!” ….. The 9-11 attack was a chance for jew Rumsfeld to HIDE how he stole $2.3 TRILLION – *TRILLION* – from the Pentagon!!

    That is more than the total economies of most of the nations in the world at the time!!

    I’m sure Israel got plenty of it.

    The famous news clip of Donald Rumsfeld admitting, just one day before 9/11, that 2.3 Trillion dollars of defense spending could not be accounted for:
    9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon

    1. it’s up there with Don “i’d go back to the moon in a nanosecond” pettit, explaining how they “don’t have the technology anymore”! as it was “lost ” in some mysterious fashion, all five or so tons of it.
      it’s probably at the bottom of the sea with OBL…

        1. great vid Pat thanks for the link,
          re lying liars and their lies
          may I veer off like a lem on the moon and steer us to “flat earth”?
          or more cogently flat water..
          it’s clear that NASA are lying liars, as witness vids like the one I just watched,
          take their blue planet series of “pictures ” of the earth for instance,
          the ones in which America grows and shrinks in size, and is surrounded with replicated clumps of exactly the same clouds,
          elsewhere on YT there’s the NASA “coloring in” expert
          to be found explaining how he “colours in” the oceans,
          “its photoshopped” he says “it has to be” then there are the stars”
          or rather there aint !
          and for the simple reason the guy gives in the vid, astrologers could map the coordinates.
          not once did any of the astronots simply poke a video camera at a window
          and film even a few minutes of earth spinning as it hangs in “space”.
          the famous blue planet picture, long since revealed to be yet another photoshopped fake
          the world has been fed extremely expensive CGI cartoons for years by NASA all quite clearly bollocks.
          people say to me, but why would they do that??
          lie about the shape of the earth?
          could the billions and billions of dollars over the years that NASA has filched off the American taxpayer be a possible incentive?

          now I don’t know what shape earth is or how big it is,
          but I do know that in order to have a “surface” water has to be contained in something.
          that goes for a cup, a bath a lake or a whiskey in a glass,
          and yet we are led to believe that trillions and trillions of tons of seawater
          are stuck to a giant ball that is supposedly spinning at 1000 miles an hour,
          whilst flying round a sun at 666,000 MPH
          that itself is tearing through “space” at some 2 million MPH!!.
          (Ridiculous velocity figures may not be accurate as per NASA)
          making the moon walk nonsense a mere” little white lie” IMHO.
          wot u think?

          1. Yeah TJ, liars all.

            I spoke with Jim Collier about a month before he died of pancreatic cancer, and he was preparing for a congressional hearing on the moon landing fraud. He was sure he had them!! But, they got him first!!

            The guy he was talking to was the head of all of the Apollo Missions at NASA!

            If earth is flat then the atmosphere must go straight up at the edges to be 14.2 psi pressing down like a column at sea level all over the earth. HA!!!!

            1. The guy at NASA was Frank Hughes…. Chief of Astronaut Training for the Apollo Missions.

              He looks like could have killed Collier, himself.

              (I have been here several times. Really pathetic. Rinky-Dinky!)

              Hubble pics are ‘colorized’ digitally by computers too!!

              Every mind-blowing deep space photograph captured by the Hubble space telescope that you’ve ever seen started out black-and-white. So how do we get those amazing technicolor images of the Pillars of Creation or the Bubble Nebula? This short video explains how scientists manage this feat.

  15. Government Special Ops Demo Expert Confesses to Planting Explosives in WTCs Before 9/11

    In a story that should be on the front page of every newspaper, or at least have any reporter worth their salt digging into it, a man who purports to be a controlled demolitions special operative for the United States, has come forward with a damning confession. According to Manuel Garcia Jr., he was tasked by a team created by Dick Cheney to help carry out a false flag attack on the World Trade Centers, otherwise known as 9/11, in order to “reshape the World Order to secure another century of US control.”

    According to Garcia, he’s kept this secret for the last 20 years and has only recently decided to come clean after being diagnosed with a terminal illness.

    In his confession, Garcia paints a behind the scenes picture of the deep state at work to maintain their control through fear, destruction, and mass murder.


    Matt Agorist September 11, 2021

    1. Pat, not to mention the Elevator Systems Repair / Upgrades and Fire Systems Repair Upgrades along with the mandatory Security Systems Upgrades. All those crews working on those extensive “upgrades” for how long leading up to the event? Six months or more? In and out, in and out 24/7, month after month like little worker Beelzebubs. Nothing to see or hear folks, just some everyday ordinary routine white noise to report. Droning on in the background as usual..

        1. Pat, I remember some of all those years ago like it was yesterday and I do remember the first time I saw concrete scientific evidence (proof) of applied deconstruction. Who could ever forget those massive steel girders and beams cut like that? And the weeks and months of molten steel. And of course Bldg. 7

    2. Hi Pat,

      The link does not (or, no longer?) show the page you refer to. And I cannot find it on that site when searching for the key words used in the title either. Could you check it?

      Best regards,

      1. Scar….
        It still works for me!
        Here is another LINK…… on YouTube:

        Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. ***The company was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Bush also served.

        According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center “up to the day the buildings fell down.”

        The company lists as government clients “the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice,” in projects that “often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites.”

        Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a “single-source” provider of “end-to-end” security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards.

        The Dulles International contract is another matter. Dulles is regarded as “absolutely a sensitive airport,” according to security consultant Wayne Black, head of a Florida-based security firm, due to its location, size, and the number of international carriers it serves.

        Black has not heard of Stratesec, but responds that for one company to handle security for both airports and airlines is somewhat unusual. It is also delicate for a security firm serving international facilities to be so interlinked with a foreign-owned company: “Somebody knew somebody,” he suggested, or the contract would have been more closely scrutinized.

        Heightened WTC Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted

        The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY NewsDay]

        Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down

        On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a ‘power down’ condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up… “Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.”

        ***Marvin Bush was in New York on 9/11!!

        1. Hi Pat,

          Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I meant the link to thefreethoughtproject. Could you try that one?

          Best regards,

  16. that’s the problem with “flat earth” Pat,
    all manner of theories and technical “proofs” abound,
    and the argument tends to drift off into “space”
    I have given up on “flat earth” per se as argument,
    with regard to the true size and shape of whatever we are living
    on I have to say I don’t know.
    that its round and spinning at a thousand miles an hour,
    is something we have been told over and over, which I came to “believe” as a result of constant exposure to the constant repetition of the “fact” that its a spinning ball.
    nearly all of my life I was in the holohoax cult until someone challenging my belief and caused me for the first time in my longish life to actually question WHY I believed it.
    I went online seeking the “evidence…”
    it took about an hour to blow down the house of cards,

    the flat earth concept is the psyop
    the desired result being that any one that expounds it to most “normal” people,
    is immediately identified as a tin foil hat wearing looney tunes.
    I write now as more of a flat waterist the flat waterist argument being easily provable
    and if the oceans should prove to be flat…..??

    my contention is that the oceans are flat and easily demonstrated to be so,
    go to a beach and and observe any stretch of ocean and look at the always perfectly flat horizon, the flatness easily verifiable using a spirit level, or any straight edge held up to the horizon,
    belief in the curvature of the sea is an act of faith
    (as is the unproven theory of gravity)
    a belief that somewhere to the left or right and out of view, the horizon curves
    is just that, a belief.
    ,a straight line is a straight line no matter how long it runs for and a curve is a curve, ships are not disappearing over curves in the horizon either this also can be easily proven a good binocular will show a “disappeared” ship to be merely out of sight of the naked eye, and will “reappear” because it never “disappeared “in the first place,
    it just sailed out of sight!
    my stance now in any “flat earth” discussion is this,
    never mind the earth being flat,
    can anyone show me proof that the oceans are NOT flat ?

    as always Pat, I write with the deepest of respect, as I know of your service on those very oceans,
    my Dad as a 19 year old, served on a Royal Navy Destroyer during WW2.

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