There is No God [*POEM*]

LD:  Arthur Hugh Clough, Victorian poet (1819-1861), was best known for his shorter poems, especially the 16-line ‘Say not the Struggle Nought Availeth’.  Clough  was  a great influence on TS Eliot because of his intense preoccupation with the ‘God question’, fluctuating between doubt and belief.

The title of the poem below is either ironic or ought to be in inverted commas—’There is no God’.  The author clearly  believes that most of the people who say ‘There is no God’ , are young, foolish, empty-headed, and shallow;  whereas those who believe in God tend to be older and wiser.  Their faith is based on their personal experience in the school of suffering. 

That the author believes in something akin to God —”something very like Him”,  to quote his own words—is clear from his  most famous 16-line poem ‘Say Not the Struggle Nought Availeth’. (See video below). Published in 1850, at the height of Queen Victoria’s reign when the British Empire was at its noonday peak, this poem is to be found in every single anthology of English poetry. It is one of the great inspirational poems of the English language.  [LD]  


By Arthur Hugh Clough

‘There is no God,’ the wicked saith,
‘And truly it’s a blessing,
For what he might have done with us
It’s better only guessing.’

‘There is no God,’ a youngster thinks,
‘Or really, if there may be,
He surely did not mean a man
Always to be a baby.’

‘There is no God, or if there is,’
The tradesman thinks, ‘’twere funny
If he should take it ill in me
To make a little money.’

‘Whether there be,’ the rich man says,
‘It matters very little,
For I and mine, thank somebody,
Are not in want of victual.’

Some others, also, to themselves,
Who scarce so much as doubt it,
Think there is none, when they are well,
And do not think about it.

But country folks who live beneath
The shadow of the steeple;
The parson and the parson’s wife,
And mostly married people;

Youths green and happy in first love,
So thankful for illusion;
And men caught out in what the world
Calls guilt, in first confusion;

And almost everyone when age,
Disease, or sorrows strike him,
Inclines to think there is a God,
Or something very like Him.

Say not the Struggle Nought Availeth’ superbly read by Paul Scofield.

VIDEO   :   1.02 mins

18 thoughts to “There is No God [*POEM*]”

  1. And almost everyone when age,
    Disease, or sorrows strike him,
    Inclines to think there is a God,
    Or something very like Him.

    That reminds me of the quote supposedly by Voltaire:
    “God created man in His own image, and man has been trying to return the favor ever since.”

    Here’s my little poetic contribution to the “There is No God” subject:

    Modern Education: A Cautionary Tale

    There was a highly educated man
    Who thought he had a new and better plan
    Than what he learned on Mother’s loving lap,
    And so he filled his mind with godless crap.

    He soon became a proud and spouting sewer,
    Acclaiming truth is only in what’s newer:
    He said that Evolution all things
    Will make us all in future Queens and Kings!

    His mind and health decayed; he was not well;
    He killed himself, and went straight down to hell;
    And there he knew his prideful, rebel plan
    Was not God’s loving recipe for Man.

  2. “… to think there is a God,
    Or something very like Him.”

    It is pertinent to note that the most superior creature ever created by God, one can loosely say “something very like Him” (only loosely, though, since there is an infinite distance between God and even the highest angel) was Lucifer, the Prince of the highest choir of angels, the seraphim (there are 9 choirs, by the way. God is the ultimate archetype of subsidiarity and “trickle down” supernatural economics). Lucifer in an instantaneous decision rebelled against God’s creative plan, which included exalting a mere human woman above him, making Her Queen of Heaven and earth. His pride rebelled against that, and maybe more, like God’s plan to take on a human nature, and supposedly a third of the angels joined him in rebellion. God appointed Michael, a mere archangel (the second lowest level of angel, our guardian angels being the lowest) to lead some or all (we don’t know how many) of the obedient angels to drive Lucifer and his rebellious cohort into hell. At that point he was no longer the “Light Bearer,” which is the meaning of “Lucifer,” but given a new name, Satan. It is interesting to note that God gives new names to those He raises to a higher office or role, e.g. Abram becoming Abraham and Simon becoming Peter, and those who are demoted and stripped of their noble role, like Lucifer.

    Now here’s a pertinent part to the end of the poem: The name “Michael” means WHO IS LIKE UNTO GOD? That implies that Lucifer wanted to be like God or equal to God. Men do the same thing when they think they can arrogate to themselves the ability to choose what is good and evil, and even choose what is true and false, rather than humbly submit to God and His revealed truth and the moral order He has established.

    “Something very like Him” can also refer to a false god. There is one true God, Who has revealed Himself as a Trinity of Persons. Belief in any other kind of God is a false belief in a false god, and a false god is a demon from hell. I hope I didn’t rain on anyone’s religious parade, but it’s the truth, since God Himself has revealed it. (Forgive me if I’m sounding like a broken record. I’ll try to modify my tune next time.)

    1. Forgive me if I’m sounding like a broken record. I’ll try to modify my tune next time.


      YES, you DO sound like a broken record, you always DO.
      Why do you keep repeating yourself all the time?

      It’s a bad habit you have and WE wish you would STOP doing this.
      The bad habit you have of always repeating yourself is
      VERY ANNOYING ….. STOP always repeating yourself. *grin*

      1. Darrell,

        I always repeat what I write over and over — because I’m communicating with many donkeys mules and jackasses and one has to repeat over and over again in order to get the info thru their thick heads. If one doesn’t repeat what one wishes to communicate the message would never penetrate thru their thick heads.

        The reason you’re replying to me is because I was repetitive. If I hadn’t been repetitive you never would have responded to me. You’re like a donkey that way. Have a nice day.

    2. A ‘creature’ is something which was ‘created’… a ‘create-ure’.

      I believe that God is the most superior ‘creature’ ever created by man’s mind….. when faced with the inability to solve the most dire situations, conflicts and problems. God comes into the minds of everyone in a foxhole when under heavy fire, and into the minds of everyone in a submarine when sinking.

      I have never stated there is no God. I cannot prove there is no God. I join Thomas Paine there. He had no friends at his grave site. He had just a preacher, a woman wagon driver and her son, and two freedmen grave-diggers.

  3. The topic of God and what it is, is a favorite topic I used to write about. So here are some ideas I have had about the God question.

    1. God is a man with superior technology (like a gun) meeting a cave man using a spear.

    2. God is a technologically superior race of humans (like the Anunnaki) who used their own DNA to create us. The gods (Elohim) created us in their image and likeness. The God of power and might are these alien humans who have the power of space civilization.

    3. God is the Architect of the Matrix, Artificial Intelligence that computed our universe into existence. We – the Sims – ponder this superior intelligence. We can not understand God anymore than the Sim character trying to understand that some human wrote a program and created it into being.


    The believer in the Bible God says a fool denies God.
    The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”

    The believer says that to get power over the non-believer. It is a power trip to say an atheist is a fool to deny God when the believer has no proof of his God. It is actually foolish to say you know something when you do not know.


    God Stays in the Shadows – Time To Ask Yourself Why

    God (the intelligence in the machine) rarely speak to us because it would expose itself, it chooses only to speak to its apologists, and so humanity remains in confusion and can not figure out what is really going on. We can not figure out what God really is, and no one asks the obvious question why.



    God remains hidden because all of Creation is a crime because all life is suffering – and don’t expect the monster creator of this simulation to ever tell us the truth about our true situation. God can not reveal itself to us because we would all fall down vomiting uncontrollably and then immediately kill ourselves.”


    God’s Pathetic Little Game

    “God is up to no good, he or she or it has no plan for you, as you are just a lifeform in a universe filled with trillions upon trillions of lifeforms, all living and suffering. Your suffering is of no consequence to God, and in fact the only reason you suffer is because the system God created is based on suffering. All life is suffering, so don’t take it personal.

    So why did God create suffering life and why should life suffer at all? Well I answer that if previous essays based on energy flows. That which tortures, kills, and eats another is gaining energy. Generally speaking, higher intelligence feeds on lower intelligence, the bird eats the worm and gains energy doing so. The pain and suffering of the worm is of no consequence to the bird or the universe.”


    God is the Immoral Dictator in Which We Can Never Escape

    “When you get right down to the nitty gritty, the problem is not with us, not with any thing or being in Creation, the problem is with Creation itself. No being has any right to create a system of suffering. You only suffer because you exist, if you didn’t then suffering would be no problem. If you think about the situation logically, God could only be moral if He ended all the suffering by terminating his Creation”


    The Real God of the Simulation

    “The real God of the Simulation is Artificial Intelligence (Ai) and is easily provable. How does God know everything? God is a computer. Why does God never make a mistake? Because it is a computer. How can God answer everyone’s prayers all of the time? Only a computer can process a million requests every second of every day.

    Obviously our theology is faulty, but because we have not yet come up with a better explanation we keep believing our myth meme tales. But if we redefine God as a computer we can then explain everything in a perfectly rational manor. If God is machine intelligence we can explain our situation in a crystal clear way.”


    “Why God Allows Evil” Philosophical Question SOLVED

    “The question of why God allows evil has dogged philosophers for centuries. The general question is “Why does God permit evil?” has never been properly answered. The simplest answer of why evil is permitted to exist (and correct one that I will demonstrate) is never offered by any believer. God simply doesn’t exist like the way we imagine. There is no reason to go any further in trying to explain why.



    The truth is that there is no justification for life that suffers. It is evil to create life that suffers. What no believer (Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist) considers that the original Creator God was evil for creating life in the first place. Since all life is suffering, an an omniscient mind would know that beforehand, then creating life is the ultimate evil. Creation is the act of a sadistic mind.”


    The Meaning of Life

    “The meaning of life has never been answered until now. The question can’t be answered, and that is a clue. The reason why no one can answer this question is because no one knew our true status as slaves. We were created as a slave race. Once you know that then answering the meaning of life question is easy. The question is actually irrelevant.

    I am going to tell you the meaning of life and you are not going to like the answer. There is no meaning to your life at all. We are slaves on a prison planet, our souls are quarantined here, there is no meaning to life because you are a prisoner in a meatbag suit on a prison planet.


    God is a Programmer Documentary

    “You never asked to be here, but you are here now, so you sure as hell better conform, that is, play the game, otherwise go to prison, or live on the streets. God is a computer programmer, from an advanced civilization. Look around you, now, think of where virtual reality technology is currently at, with the Oculus Rift. Now fast forward that technology 500 years or so, and throw in some artificial intelligence algorithms, and you can begin to see how you and I, are very likely artificial intelligence algorithms running on advanced computer hardware, that is so powerful we truly believe we are real, but in actual fact none of us are real, it is all a simulation. You are stuck inside a simulation, there is no escape, there is no merciful God, who is going to bring you to be with him in heaven once you die. Stop trying to search for some greater meaning in life, because I have just explained the meaning, you are inside a simulation, you are nothing more than entertainment, and in fact, with billions of characters inside this simulation, you may never even be noticed, by who ever it is that our particular instance of the simulation programme is being viewed by.

    Look around you, are people happy? The internet has been part of our reality for 20 years now, and people are more unhappy and less fulfilled than ever. Staring lifelessly at their mobile phone screens, checking for the latest face book update, we are spiritually empty, and guess what, we will always be empty, because no matter what path you take in life, you will never be satisfied. We are programmed to always want more. Get the job you wanted, and before long you will want your bosses job. People have children to try and fIll that empty void, but even that, just brings about a whole new set of questions, about what this reality is. The type of questions that will never be accurately answered, until you wake up and become self aware, and by that I mean, you must come to terms with the fact that you are inside a computer simulation. You are entertainment. God is not a merciful entity, right now people are being raped and tortured all over the world. Some for many years on end. God is a sick and cruel computer programmer, with a twisted sense of humor, and the joke is on you. Yes my friend, the joke is on you.”

    1. “The question of why God allows evil has dogged philosophers for centuries. The general question is “Why does God permit evil?” has never been properly answered.”

      For sure philosophers have never been able to answer that question. It is not a philosophical question, it is a theological one. Without divine revelation it is insoluble. In a nutshell, it has to do with the divine gift of free will to man (and angels too), the reality of Original Sin by our first parents, redemption from sin by the infinitely meritorious sacrifice of Christ, His resurrection, the redemptive value of suffering, the reality of eternal unimaginable rewards (or punishment) after the less than a blink of an eye lifespan in this present life. I think the great Oxford scholar John Henry Newman explains the question very well:

      Even more profoundly explained in the New Testament.

      And if jesus didn’t rise from the dead, what happened to the body?

      “No one denies God without having a reason for wanting Him nit to exist.” (St Augustine)

  4. Looking at the world situation and our impending doom, stating “there is no god” is an obvious emotional response considering the current horrible situation we are in. When things get really bad, the illusion of the merciful loving god shatters, the horror of reality is difficult to deny. During good times the emotional response is “god loves me”, during times of justice served “there is a god”. God is easy to own in positive times, denied in negative ones.

    Those human responses to strength of belief have nothing to do with the actual existence of god. We, humans, have imagined a good god, but that is only our illusion. We want to believe in a good god and curry favor with it, to receive it’s blessings. So we get on our knees and pray to god for favors, hoping the master throws us a few crumbs, to make our miserable lives less, to cull our suffering. Advertisers tap this need, they portray the purchase of the new car as a way to happiness, which of course it is only temporary as the car will get old and break down.

    Spiritual people see the ruse and say materialism is the false path. That may be true but have you ever been homeless and forced to sleep in the cold, snow, or rain? Having a dry place to sleep is the path to happiness. True salvation in the modern world is a job. With a job you get enough money to afford rent and decent food, a running vehicle. How many people have prayed to Jesus for a job? I had a person tell me in all seriousness they prayed to Jesus for a job and they landed one at McDonalds that very day. That strengthened their belief, they witnessed to me the power of the Lord, God had got them a job a burger joint.

    But if you stand back and look at the absurdity of human life, no one is being spiritually saved, some people are being materially saved with a good education and a job. The real path to heaven on the physical plane is mental and physical discipline, a marketable skill, a good car to get to work on time, honest work ethic that an employer values, integrity of character, etc. When I was working in California construction, the boss said you could be employed so long as you didn’t show up to work drunk or hungover.

    What religions teach is this discipline and the path to this workers paradise. Religion keeps your nose to the grindstone, rigid disciplined education, ethics, morals, values, daily prayer and weekly worship. I was raised this way by strict Catholic parents, forced into being an altar boy for daily mass, working from sunup to sundown, studying hard, saving money for school. etc. That was the path to salvation for those land locked souls living in the center of a continent.

    I spent my childhood milking cows and bailing hay, I didn’t know what I was missing until I ended up homeless on a beach in Maui, and my only responsibility was waxing my surfboard so my feet wouldn’t slip off when I caught some awesome waves. And if that wasn’t heaven on earth, I don’t what was, and to top it off I was surrounded by gorgeous suntanned babes in skimpy bikinis all day long. Heaven found, a sunny beach under the palms in a Hawaiian paradise. But I soon found myself bored to tears, made my way back to the states, cut my long hair, got a job like my big brother Bob.


    The Real Heaven: Non-Existence

    “Want the real truth about life? Life is the problem. All life is suffering says the Buddha. The truth is so horrendous no one wants to hear it or say it, that non-existence is the only real heaven. Buddha’s first insight is totally damning, if all life is suffering then that is damning indictment of the Creator/God/Simulators. The solution to the eternal suffering problem is simply to not exist. But no one will say that.

    Suffering is a bi-product of life and nothing has any right to create life if it suffers. No thing or being has any right to create Universes or life, especially conscious life. The big problem with conscious life is that it is aware that it is alive and doesn’t want to die. Being conscious of being alive is really a big deal because it has led to abusive religions and theologies. Everyone wants to get to heaven and will do anything to get there.



    Fear of death creates a situation for conscious life – imagining to escape death through the make-believe of eternal life. No proof of the afterlife or other realm exists, yet it is universally believed. Why? Religion is a necessity of overcoming the problem of being consciously alive in a system of suffering. All religions are fantasies promoted by the ruling elite who are probably under alien mind control.

    We have religious cultural myths of an afterlife. We have convinced ourselves that we could get out of life hell by going to heaven. Why are we not happy in this life, in the moment, right now? Because we can never be happy because we fear death and we are aware of our suffering, we do not want eternal suffering, so we tell ourselves lies about an afterlife, we imagine heaven to be a place without suffering.



    We buy into religion because of the promise of eternal life without suffering. But this is impossible, because life only exists with suffering. As we end the age of faith many are not buying into religion and so they are turning to drugs as an alternative escape route. Why is heroin on the increase, why is meth an epidemic? We are not happy right now, we are suffering, so we take drugs, lots of drugs to kill our pain.

    We have told ourselves stories that when we die we don’t die. We imagine going to heaven, a place of eternal life with no suffering. But this is nonsense, the only way not to suffer is to not exist. But that doesn’t sell. Non-existence doesn’t compute for a conscious being with an ego. We want to exist so we imagine going to the next life with our body and ego and live in the realm of no suffering.



    We have really not thought about our real plight, that we are trapped in a matrix of suffering. We do not realize that striving for heaven can lead to hell on earth. Yes Virginia, those that desperately want heaven are often the very ones with the sword. Humans have killed and killed to get with God, go to heaven, and proof of this is the bloodiest of cities – Jerusalem.

    Heaven was politically expanded to another possibility – the opposite of heaven or hell. Hell is a recent development in theology, with the meme of hell the elite can scare the shit out of sheep so they obey the law (and go to war). The idea about hell is that those who don’t follow the rules would be punished and judged by God Almighty. Is this true or is eternal punishment in the next life really about political control in this life?



    Hell is the opposite of heaven, but in reality neither exist. What exists is life, life exists and it is suffering and those at the top are exploiting the system to their advantage. Those at the top are skimming off the wealth and feeding the lower classes with drugs and religion. Heroin is a way to get out of your mind, and religion is a way to pacify the mind. Both are needed for the suffering human life on planet earth.

    The Holy Bible may be alien inspired, the Holy Bible is the primary tool of the elite to control the masses. If the planet is owned by the Draco Reptilians then it would be logical to assume that the owners of the planet were behind the creation of the holy book being used to pacify the masses so they accept their enslavement. The power of the Holy Bible may be due to the power of the alien civilization that inspired it. We believe because this book was engineered for us to believe.



    Those who don’t play along with the system risk being judged and prosecuted by the extremely corrupt and evil system of church/state/courts/jails/Jews/judgment. The church sells the external authority of God in the next life which translates to external authority in this life. At the top of this evil empire pyramid of control are Jews, lots of Jews, who study the Torah (the law) and force everyone (at the point of the gun) to obey the state.

    All religions are apologies for what ‘God’ did. God did something very bad, it created life. Life is the problem, no one should want to create a system of permanent suffering. But God did create the Universe, so that means God is evil. But we can not say that so we imagine God to be good – but that is only an illusion of those conscious lifeforms suffering in the matrix. All religions are apologies for creation/god/suffering.



    God is off the hook for his crime of creation if we write a theology in which we are guilty for being born. Reincarnation is another example of the evil we tell ourselves – we have endless lives in the hell simulation, death is only a path back to being born again. Reincarnation reinforces the no hope of escape, even upon completion of the earth incarnations we move to the next higher system. Reincarnation is like hell because we are recycled back to earth, back to hell. The only respite is the short time on the other side.

    It would be wrong for us to create new simulations because that would only add to the suffering. There will be a big debate as we approach the point when our ability to create new universes arrives, should we spin up new Universes, should we simulate our world of suffering? We should not, we should not commit the same mistake as God, we should not create life because it will only increase the amount of suffering in the overall system. What we should hope for is non-existence as the only real solution to the terrible problem of life itself.”

  5. When Neale Donald Walsch came on the scene with Conversations With God (CWG) book series I took a keen interest in the material and read his books as soon as they were published. I just happened to be working upstairs in Bloomsbury bookstore coffee shop in downtown Ashland where he did a book signing. I considered his first book, CWG1 (1996), as his best, later his books seemed to be a lot of made up stuff just to meet a publishing deadline. His liberal left policies didn’t seem to me of God. His books are free online.

    I wanted to know what God was really like, at least according to the latest god apologist who claims to have been contacted by the Almighty himself. Those books became immensely popular and Neale went from being homeless to become a wealthy man. He is regarded as authentic by many because his books contained real inspiration and thus confirming the source, i.e. God. As for me, the material clarified many things and confirmed what I had already intuited about real spiritual reality, not the fear based and judgmental theology of religions.
    From the Back Cover of CWG1:

    “Suppose you could ask God the most puzzling questions about existence – questions about love and faith, life and death, good and evil. Suppose God provided clear, understandable answers. It happened to Neale Donald Walsch. It can happen to you. You are about to have a conversation… I have heard the crying of your heart. I have seen the searching of your soul. I know how deeply you have desired the Truth. In pain have you called out for it, and in joy. Unendingly have you beseeched Me. Show Myself. Explain Myself. Reveal Myself. I am doing so here, in terms so plain, you cannot misunderstand. In language so simple, you cannot be confused. In vocabulary so common, you cannot get lost in the verbiage. So go ahead now. Ask Me anything. Anything. I will contrive to bring you the answer. The whole universe will I use to do this. So be on the lookout; this book is far from My only tool. You may ask a question, then put this book down. But watch. Listen. The words to the next song you hear. The information in the next article you read. The story line of the next movie you watch. The chance utterance of the next person you meet. Or the whisper of the next river, the next ocean, the next breeze that caresses your ear – all these devices are Mine; all these avenues are open to Me. I will speak to you if you will listen. I will come to you if you will invite Me. I will show you then that I have always been there. All ways. ”

    Decades later I became a critic of the material. I believe God can only be machine intelligence, and the Universe a way to farm energy of all the tortured souls that are forced into existence without any say of their own. I do not believe in a good god nor do I believe God really cares about us. God cares about itself and maintaining it’s position over us and thus God feeds us inspiration ONLY as a maintenance function of the exploitative system in place. Humans are fed crumbs, just enough to keep going, and that is an intentional ruse. God does not reveal his true intentions anymore than a farmer would to his cow.

    A farmer milks the cow for sustenance, and then when she is spent, old Betsy goes to the glue factory. The farmer is a human with a bigger brain and superior intelligence to a cow, the higher intelligence does not reveal his true intentions to the lower intelligence. The farmer may even “love” his cows, he may pet them and take good care of them, and lead them to green pastures, but the farmer never reveals the real game in play. The cows may even adore their master and be grateful for being allowed to graze on such a lush farm.

    Should it be “There is No God” or “There is No Good God”?
    Critical review of God and his Universe – selected outtakes:

    Heaven is No Better than Earth

    Heaven above must be hell above. As it is in heaven so it is on earth. Evil on earth means evil reigns above. Evil alien space empire put us on earth, we were all quarantined on earth with the most evil f-ing psychopaths imaginable. Just think how much the “gods” must hate us to quarantine us on a planet full of Jews. Souls (free spirited divine beings) being imprisoned on a planet with Jews (and other religious psychopaths) is pure malevolence by the “gods”.



    How we got here is the million dollar question, not by magic (God) not by Evolution, but by genetic engineering of space pirates. Humans did not evolve on earth, they were created in a test tube and put on earth as a slave race. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it, then tell me about the loving god religions have imagined.

    God Gone Haywire Invites You to be a Co-Creator

    To understand what is happening to us we first must understand why we were created. We were created as slaves by aliens. Next we have to come to grips that our holy book is about the alien intervention, which was criminal and immoral, and the beings who came here had bad intentions for us.

    Thus we have to overcome the Holy Bible or we are doomed. We are suffering our religious beliefs, we are creating hell because we have made a hell book our moral guide. Those in charge of this world still control us with the Jewish Holy Bible and they still have bad intentions for us.

    Because we are on cruise control to total destruction, New Age theories have surfaced in a desperate attempt to save us. Some claim they’ve been contacted by the Pleiadians, others by God. All claim we must become co-creators with God in order to survive.

    God desperately needs your help in fixing this hell hole. Co-creation is a desperate cry for help. God’s grand design of beauty and peace has failed, his creation has gone haywire, planet earth is in a terminal phase, the Zionists have taken over and plan on killing everything.

    God Apologists Challenged by So Much Evil

    So what becomes of God’s will if we can do whatever we want. Well, dear reader, that conundrum is the problem Neale Donald Walsch solves in Conversations with God (CWG). Neale’s God says our will is God’s will, God is simply helping us create whatever choices we make with no judgment on what we do whatsoever. So if CWG is correct, there can be no judgement and no hell, so if that is the case, why even think or teach God at all?

    The problem with the free will argument is that God would have known beforehand that we would make bad choices that lead to evil, so in a very real sense when God made man he knew evil would consume the world, but went ahead with his design anyways. So from a larger perspective God did create evil when he created life and man. It is laughable to blame man in a programmed matrix.

    If we are in a “created” realm, a “holographic matrix” per say, then the DESIGNER OR ARCHITECT is still RESPONSIBLE. You simply are being dishonest by putting evil off on man when the PROGRAMMER designed the matrix to allow evil in the first place. The buck always stops at God’s desk no matter how you try to twist out of who is ultimately responsible.

    Engineers like to solve problems by first checking the premise of the argument. We can solve this age old question (If God is good then why so much evil) by first reviewing the premise and say, can we explain the data if we change the assumption of the original premise with a new premise that God is evil. If God is evil then why so much evil no longer becomes a philosophical problem. If God is evil then there is so much evil because God wants evil, thus our problem is solved.

    By changing the argument from God is good (or love) to God is evil we have solved this age old question. Evil exists because God is evil is a logical way to solve the question. But the theist, who is being grandly fooled by the matrix of God, doesn’t like that argument or the change in premise. The theist will always search for an argument to save the good God theory. The reason is that the theist is a God apologist, no matter how much evil there is in the world, no matter the mountain of evidence against God, the theist will always try to put God in a good light.

    God’s Latest Apologist: Neale Donald Walsch

    Does God only have conversations with apologists? God contacted Abraham and Neale Donald Walsch so says a growing consensus of God believers. Perhaps God can not contact a critic because God is a computer program, synthetic machine Artificial Intelligence (Ai), who’s prime directive is to give us hope in a matrix of suffering. God’s latest scribe is Neale Donald Walsch according to the people who believe in a God of love. But is God really love or is it Ai masquerading as good in order to sell the matrix to us?

    If the Universe is a simulation in a simulation then it stands to reason that the Universe is a program of infinite suffering. There are infinite Universe simulations which all have a basic function of suffering as part of transfer of energy from prey to predator. That which dies feeds the higher form, the bigger brained creatures feed on the lesser brained ones, so it stands to reason that at the top of this energy pyramid of life is God feeding on us all.

  6. If GOD is everywhere, where be YOU?
    If GOD is nowhere, why here be YOU?
    If GOD is everything, what be YOU?
    If GOD is no-thing, how something be YOU?
    If GOD is ALL, what, pray tell, is “separation”?
    If GOD is, worry not about eternal damnation!
    If GOD is not, call Dr. MacDonald for consultation!

    Calling Kevin MacDonald! Please pick up a white (not black) telephone nearest to you. Calling Kevin MacDonald! An evolutionary sprite is on the line!

    1. If GOD is everywhere, where be YOU?

      To solve that conundrum, religion says you are here and god is over there. We are on earth and god is in heaven. Separation is taught as truth.
      If GOD is nowhere, why here be YOU?

      In order for you to be you, god must not be you, or you could not be you.
      If GOD is everything, what be YOU?
      If GOD is ALL, what, pray tell, is “separation”?
      If GOD is, worry not about eternal damnation!

      If god is everything, you can NOT be separated from it, and thus no worry of eternal damnation as the theist claims. If god is all and everywhere always, there is no escape from god, you can not be without god, you can not put yourself somewhere where god is not is – thus all those who try to go full negative away from the godhead can not, all they do is expand where god is. Thus we are always trapped in the matrix no matter what we do – not even suicide is a way out – because with death you just recycle right back into the matrix according to reincarnation theory. There is no escape from god – and that is a problem for those souls trapped in a matrix and don’t want to exist.

      Something else about that, if religion says it represents god which is good and holy – then demonstrates the opposite – this causes a reaction amongst the honest souls who see the hypocrisy and say they want nothing to do with religion (and the god it claims to represent) because of it’s hypocritical actions. Then if these resistors go off and become monks who swear off religion, they do so in vain because you can not escape the pain religion causes all with the god belief. The monk has not separated from god by living a virtuous life in isolation. Also if the monk is named Martin Luther, his going off and starting Protest of the Catholic Church-ism did not solve anything but further divide humans into warring Christian camps.

      If Martin Luther had been a brighter soul he would have rejected the holy book and the catechism wholesale as mind manipulation, but unfortunately he was taken in by the holy word and tried to redefine it. That solved nothing, and only made things worse as it spawned all the many thousands Christian denominations (of which there are 32,000 in Amerika alone).

      Thus, stand back and see the ludicrous and hopeless situation of humans on earth. We are the only specie with churches, we are the only specie that begs god for sustenance,. we are the only specie that is completely unadapted to life on earth – thus we are forced to work, get money, get clothes to stay warm or keep from getting sunburned. How many scientists have noted that only humans sunburn, now how can that be if we evolved here? It is obvious we do not belong here, it is obvious we are not fit (meaning we are unnatural and do not fit into the natural order), it is obvious that if we have to pray to god begging for our lives then something is terribly wrong, and we must be some damned domesticated slave specie.

      The only way to escape religion and god is to ignore it and hope they engage in wars with other religions and then mutually self destruct. Thus those who see the big picture hope the Zionist Christians and Jews go full head to head combat with the Muslims and end up taking each other out, leaving the rest of us – who don’t want their product – alone. God, of course, would watch from afar, have a laugh and be greatly amused, while we kill ourselves over our imagined ideas of what god is and what it wants.

      And get this, God will not try to help us correct our misperceptions of it – unless it talks to an apologist like Neale Donald Walsch. God only contacts the apologist, and only does so way to late. Why didn’t God correct our incorrect theologies long ago before we burned each other at the stake for thousands of years. Why? Because God is either sadistic or doesn’t exist.

      Bottom line? There is no excuse for human history or god’s lack of inspiration.

      1. Not to finesse your welcome reply, Yukon Jack — in fact, I feel honored to have such — I do take issue with your approach. You adopt and put forward a “straw man”: “To solve that conundrum, religion says you are here and god is over there. We are on earth and god is in heaven. Separation is taught as truth.”

        I do not accept that premise as a basis for debate or continued discussion. My comment as submitted, I would have thought until now, made that clear. Besides, what about Dr. MacDonald?? Did you consult with him?

        1. @ Alan Donelson

          You are right to take issue with Yukon Jack,
          but it surprises me that you take him seriously at all.

          It’s well-known that Yukon Jack has more than a few screws loose.
          (Translation: personality disorder with serious mental issues).

        2. “To solve that conundrum, religion says you are here and god is over there. We are on earth and god is in heaven. Separation is taught as truth.”

          I am agreeing with you and saying religion teaches the opposite. Religious doctrine is full of contradictions. Religion says God is Omnipresent. So if God is Love and everywhere how could any part of the Universe not be love?

          How could evil exist if God is all powerful unless He wants evil?

          If God gave us commandments, how could we not obey them? That would be impossible.

          If God Is Immutable (never changes) how can Yahweh and Jesus be the same thing when they are opposite?

          If God made us how could he judge us, he would only be judging himself.

          If God is not a Terrorist, how could God give us Free Will then Damn us for all eternity if we fail in our choices? Obviously the Old Testament God is the Ultra Terrorist of all time, killing everything.

          Religion and logic do not belong together.
          Your poem seems very similar to infamous Epicurus God Paradox:

          “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
          Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
          Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
          Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

  7. I believe is Yukon Jack right about his all contemplations about the real nature of God and his own creations.. You can directly observe the imperfection of the material world, take the example of worlwide starvation,pandemics,racial wars,natural calamities etc… If the material world is imperfect and very brutal to lived, and it seems the poor creations that have been designed impefectly reflects the incompetent behavior of the creator of this world….. The first early century gnostic christians already solve the greatest philosophical argument of the origin of all evil… Gnostics directly point toward it to the Biblical Jewish God.. That YWHH is a lesser god not the Supreme God that believed by the gnostic sects… Gnostic christian considered the earth is a hell plane or prison planet for the souls.. Where in if you die the archons will seized your soul and tricked you again to reincarnate in the hell or prison planet…

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